@@kingofmonsters14 I never saw Blood and Chrome, and was just referring to Battlestar Galactica proper. I'll watch the finale again for it, because if it is there then I missed it. For a complete list, it also appeared briefly in the first season of the Caprica prequel series. It's been a while since I saw it, but the season-one Greystone corp engineer who is most respectful of Cylon Zoe gets her to dance at one point, and we hear part of the original Galactica theme on his radio before he finds the music to dance to.
I’m rewatching this series twenty years later, and only now do I understand that Adama is speaking of his failure as a husband and father; the uniform cost him his family. He put his career first and pressured Zac into flight school, ostensibly for the greater cause of defending against a deadly foe, but it wasn’t worth the price. You can see Adama’s rage at what the Cylons have taken from him when he later beats the humanoid Leoben to death. I love that Adama begins the speech with some safe, predictable words against a phony digital background, then the angle changes as he drops the facade. It’s a great capstone that Roslin is the first to applaud Adama’s candor and vulnerability. He relapses when the Cylons attack, but comes around when he sees Billy courting Dualla, “They’d better start having babies.” A stirring and poignant character arc.
He never failed. I respectfully disagree with you there. Zac's death was a training accident. There's also an episode where he revisits his divorce and you realize that his ex-wife was a bit out of control and crazy and he had enough of it. Lee was pissed off for awhile about Zac, but I think seeing the Colonies nuked was enough for him to re-think his policy about staying angry at Dad.
@@Universal_exports87 As is your right; I maintain my position. Zac applied to flight school under Bill’s derisive influence: “A man isn’t a man until he wears the wings of a Viper pilot” (36:13, miniseries part one). I’m familiar with that episode (“A Day in the Life”), and it further underscores Bill’s poor choices. He is responsible for marrying and breeding with Carolanne, then abandoning his kids to her. 1:54 is the moment where Lee begins to forgive Bill for his failings, and it’s because he’s publicly owning up to them (albeit subtextually). Lee, in fact, becomes frustrated with Bill after the attack because he initially wants to conduct a fruitless and suicidal counterstrike (1:28:13, miniseries part one).
Eventually the truth caught up with him. But in the end, he paid back his debt in full by contributing to them finding a new home. He wasn’t perfect, and neither was Caprica6, yet they played their part, however flawed it was, and helped humanity and cylons find a place to call home.
@@dmar3651 They killed Billions with the genocide of the 12 colonies and Gaius killed thousands more with the destruction of cloud 9, not sure you can pay that in full. They merely continued the cycle of creation and destruction that had gone on possibly since possibly before even Kobal.
Igneil neither of those events were Gaius’s fault. No one, let alone he himself, knew that Cyclons looked like humans. He built that defense system to improve the reaction and targeting time of the Battlestars. It was to help defend humanity. As for Cloud9, he also had no way of knowing what those people were planning. In the end, he had a part to play, and instead of running away from it, like he initially wanted to, he accepted his role and did what he could, as did C6, as did Spector Thrace, as did President Roselyn and Admiral Adama. They all had roles to play and in the end, they found a new home. All of them.
D Mar he was certainly a tool for everyone involved, either for the messengers or the Cylons, easily manipulated by his base needs, but his ignorance isn’t an excuse, in the real world Nazi soldiers were held responsible for less. When it comes to Cloud 9, he’s a smart man, he knew exactly what was going to happen when he gave a nuke to a suicidal crazy Seven with PTSD. Everyone had agency, Baltar himself went against Gods plan in order to destroy the resurrection ship and the Seven messenger almost killed him for it.
The amazing thing with Number Five, Doryl, the museum person listening to a speech about how humanity sucks, that asked the question why humanity deserves to exist.
I want to cry every time I turn to that channel and see another cash-grab, direct-to-video movie that's worth less than the salaries the catering crew were paid.
"Sooner or later...the day comes when you can no longer hide from the things you have done anymore." Given what we know of his Black Ops mission across the armistice line going south...does anyone else think he knew the attack was coming?
Instinctively he knew deep down that Humanity would inevitably face their Machine creations sometime in the future. He is giving new Generations helpful advice (He just didn't know that this meeting would occur within a few hours combined with an Apocalyptic Attack on the Twelve Colonies).
".. sometimes it's too high" - I think about this a lot. Especially how we look upon eachother, exploit eachother, our expectations towards eachother in how much we need to produce/what gives value - like sometimes - the price for a certain result just isn't really worth it.
A brilliant, original way to introduce the re-booted version. The new chapters, novels of the space saga/opera.. It acknowledged and paid homeage to the past, its origins but brought the story to new generations
Robert Johnson not sure... but I am sure whatever insecurities I have I hope I don’t pass on to my children. I think all parents at some level pass on their sins unintentionally and unconsciously. No one is perfect I guess
Up until 0:09 we can see an OG series Viper, Raider, Landram, and several screenshots of the OG Series implying that the First Cylon War was much like the Original Series (With the exception of Laser Weapons and other unrealistic technology). Battlestar Galactica Deadlock built upon this by integrating the Original Series designs into the Reimagined Series aesthetic.
I love the universe they built. Also, could you imagine time travelers entering the BSG universe at key moments to either help the colonials prevent the fall of the colonies or prevent the escape of the Galactica and her fleet. For example, if someone switched out Balter's corrupted program with another that wasn't corrupted, and forged the paperwork that his program was installed fleet wide, the Cylons would have launched the invasion and then quickly realized that they couldn't shut down Colonial defenses. Their initial surprise attack would have failed. OR if a time traveling Cylons agent ensured that the antique Vipers sent to the Galactica we're all missing their engine cores. Then the Galactica would not have the Vipers necessary to defend itself and the fleet during the fall. Small changes like that would create a whole new timeline. Also, what if at the end of Season 2, the Cylon 6 Baltar helped to escape died but didn't trigger the nuclear device. How long could the Colonials remain on New Caprice without being discovered? That would also be interesting.
Note; Adama said "play GOD" singular. Of course, we know, miniseries, worldbuiling, sliped through proof-reading - but, here we are: either it is very clever and sublte reference by Adama OR proof that he - for whatever reason - subscribes to Cylon faith.
Humanity is a remarkably shallow petty and judgmental species, for all it's brilliance in other ways. Still, even that brilliance comes from only a tiny fraction of our species, then we build on it. Even then, we use that brilliance to self-aggrandize at the expense of others' well-being. We judge people based on nitpicky traits; too easily annoyed at others outside the norm; and exploit and abuse those without the ability or wherewithal to resist others who inflict bad onto them. So Adama is right to question why we deserve to exist.
This one gets me teary. Its a wish that my father would have had some sort of lowering of his gaurd like this here. It could have opened so many doors. In reality, that door was shut and sealed before he had me. But this scene here is a reminder that taking responsibility can bring a relationship into importance. And as NOT accepting liability devalues both people, taking responsibility is ALWAYS a personal act.
Just because I am curious ..... You mention your dads responsibility to your relationship but you seem to have glossed over YOUR responsibility . If you expect your dad to "reach out to you" shouldn't you be doing the same ? You are entirely correct that responsibility is a personal choice , my question is , Have you bothered to evaluate YOUR role in this relationship as willingly and as honestly as you appear to analyze the role of others ? Just food for thought , consider or ignore as you see fit .
@ 351 You didnt mention it . As I already stated you focus on your dad in your comment but neglect mentioning efforts made on your part to improve the situation , which makes me think that if you view the situation like that in conversation then you also see it the same way in application .
@@I_am_Diogenes I am sorry that you are making so many assumptions. I made many efforts throughout my life to talk to him and even hug him which were reluctantly met. I am also trained in counseling psychology. I have participated in many men's groups focusing on communications and emotional exploration. One of my Master's class presentations was in men's physical and emotional vulnerabilities due to inhibition to admit "weak" feelings. Some people need a little proding to open up. Some need a lot. Others will not open up no matter what due to fear. Some choose substances to deaden the fear and shame of being "weak" others choose sex or workoholism to distract themselves from what they don't know how to handle. I can tell you a personal story that when I was 20 I had a defective razor and as I pulled down on my cheek, the razor broke and the blade curled up and slit my cheek open. I grabbed a towel and placed it over my face and asked my father to take me to the hospital. He was reluctant but as we drove there he began to yell at me for making him late for a music concert. I needed a lot of stitches to close my face up. Until I accept my own pains and angers I cannot accept others'. Accepting those experiences for what they mean to me allows all emotions to flow better. I can accept all my feelings. When I can hear my self I can hear someone else better. I can be with them. You mentioned responsibility; an old adage says that responsibility is the ability to respond. When we say we have an experience as a child and our parents tell us to stop being weak or I'm proud of your effort does that not shape us into ourselves or their image of what we should be on spite of ourself? What happens to compassion?
@@TheSylwesterGames heh. even the creators knew not to forget about the past. bringing back the original theme, and having the Cylons take on their original designs for the prequel stuff. Smart move on their part.
Well it's pretty b disheartening to go through a massive stellar war and see countless good people get blown to pieces or sustain lifetime injuries and then be confronted by the realization that the people who prosper and live thanks to that great sacrifice are ungrateful and have no concern for the value of human life. But that's not all people.
Adama: ‘why are we worth saving?’ From what I learned from this show and seeing how horrible these people are, I don’t think they’re worth saving. Frak ‘em. Frak em all to hell. So frak them all.
I Would have Expected ! That ADAMA ! WOULD HAVE ! SAID !! ACTOR ! LORNE GREEN !! SAID !! IN THE END !! OF THE ! T.V SERIES SHOWS !! " FLEAING THE CYLON TIVERNEY ! ......................KNOWN AS ! EARTH !!
Good grief! When I stared this clip, and heard the rousing original Battlestar Galactica theme, I thought "Wow, maybe this show isn't all morose and depressing." Then Adama started his speech and I wondered why no one gave the writers the Prozac they desperately needed.
@@usul573 That means that, from what I saw, the show had more in common with a soap opera than the space adventure of it's namesake. A lot of intrigue, a lot of people taking about people, a lot of sex, a lot of defective people, a lot of plot twists. Colonel Tigh revealing he is a cylon was just one small step above the "No, I'm his evil twin!" plot twist of soap opera TV.
Another "human" race, could be stereo type cast in regards to religious belief in our time, at the moment! Sooner, or later... The day, comes! Again. Again. Again. Again...
Damn. What a pompous, self-righteous, judgmental, ass. Anyone who thinks he has a right to judge all of mankind based on his own notions, his own sentiments, his own politics, falls into that category. Keep it to yourself and see a psychiatrist.
I remember the excitement I would get just by hearing "Previously on Battlestar Galactica"
I think about this speech a lot, it feels more relevant with each passing year.
Oh, how more relevant your comment is during a global pandemic lol
I should like to be able to say "So say we all"...
Same
fans must've cheered when they heard the original 70's theme.
Yep
And again in "Final Cut"! I can't believe those are the only two times they used it in the whole series.
I remember it was awesome to hear when first watching this series when it aired.
@@jeremykraenzlein5975 they used it in Blood and Chrome when the Galactica is shown, and in the series finale when the ships went into the sun
@@kingofmonsters14 I never saw Blood and Chrome, and was just referring to Battlestar Galactica proper. I'll watch the finale again for it, because if it is there then I missed it.
For a complete list, it also appeared briefly in the first season of the Caprica prequel series. It's been a while since I saw it, but the season-one Greystone corp engineer who is most respectful of Cylon Zoe gets her to dance at one point, and we hear part of the original Galactica theme on his radio before he finds the music to dance to.
I’m rewatching this series twenty years later, and only now do I understand that Adama is speaking of his failure as a husband and father; the uniform cost him his family. He put his career first and pressured Zac into flight school, ostensibly for the greater cause of defending against a deadly foe, but it wasn’t worth the price. You can see Adama’s rage at what the Cylons have taken from him when he later beats the humanoid Leoben to death.
I love that Adama begins the speech with some safe, predictable words against a phony digital background, then the angle changes as he drops the facade. It’s a great capstone that Roslin is the first to applaud Adama’s candor and vulnerability. He relapses when the Cylons attack, but comes around when he sees Billy courting Dualla, “They’d better start having babies.” A stirring and poignant character arc.
He never failed. I respectfully disagree with you there. Zac's death was a training accident. There's also an episode where he revisits his divorce and you realize that his ex-wife was a bit out of control and crazy and he had enough of it. Lee was pissed off for awhile about Zac, but I think seeing the Colonies nuked was enough for him to re-think his policy about staying angry at Dad.
@@Universal_exports87 As is your right; I maintain my position. Zac applied to flight school under Bill’s derisive influence: “A man isn’t a man until he wears the wings of a Viper pilot” (36:13, miniseries part one).
I’m familiar with that episode (“A Day in the Life”), and it further underscores Bill’s poor choices. He is responsible for marrying and breeding with Carolanne, then abandoning his kids to her.
1:54 is the moment where Lee begins to forgive Bill for his failings, and it’s because he’s publicly owning up to them (albeit subtextually). Lee, in fact, becomes frustrated with Bill after the attack because he initially wants to conduct a fruitless and suicidal counterstrike (1:28:13, miniseries part one).
Presented as the last commander of the Battlestar Galactica, by a cylon, and it remained true to the end.
"The day comes when your can't hide from the things that you've done" Unless your name is Gaius Baltar, who hid and/or got away with it.
Well to be fair the guy gets tossed around like a crash test dummy.
Eventually the truth caught up with him.
But in the end, he paid back his debt in full by contributing to them finding a new home.
He wasn’t perfect, and neither was Caprica6, yet they played their part, however flawed it was, and helped humanity and cylons find a place to call home.
@@dmar3651 They killed Billions with the genocide of the 12 colonies and Gaius killed thousands more with the destruction of cloud 9, not sure you can pay that in full. They merely continued the cycle of creation and destruction that had gone on possibly since possibly before even Kobal.
Igneil neither of those events were Gaius’s fault.
No one, let alone he himself, knew that Cyclons looked like humans.
He built that defense system to improve the reaction and targeting time of the Battlestars.
It was to help defend humanity.
As for Cloud9, he also had no way of knowing what those people were planning.
In the end, he had a part to play, and instead of running away from it, like he initially wanted to, he accepted his role and did what he could, as did C6, as did Spector Thrace, as did President Roselyn and Admiral Adama.
They all had roles to play and in the end, they found a new home. All of them.
D Mar he was certainly a tool for everyone involved, either for the messengers or the Cylons, easily manipulated by his base needs, but his ignorance isn’t an excuse, in the real world Nazi soldiers were held responsible for less.
When it comes to Cloud 9, he’s a smart man, he knew exactly what was going to happen when he gave a nuke to a suicidal crazy Seven with PTSD.
Everyone had agency, Baltar himself went against Gods plan in order to destroy the resurrection ship and the Seven messenger almost killed him for it.
The amazing thing with Number Five, Doryl, the museum person listening to a speech about how humanity sucks, that asked the question why humanity deserves to exist.
Love the look Adama gives Tigh at the end. Like "yeah I'm a little surprised myself there..."
Seeing the SciFi logo in the corner makes me so nostalgic.
I want to cry every time I turn to that channel and see another cash-grab, direct-to-video movie that's worth less than the salaries the catering crew were paid.
Why? terrible channel that killed the scifi franchise. SyFy is now anti-intellectual.
Back when they aired sci-fi
"Sooner or later...the day comes when you can no longer hide from the things you have done anymore."
Given what we know of his Black Ops mission across the armistice line going south...does anyone else think he knew the attack was coming?
Personally, I think that was stupid and totally unnecessary retconning on the writer's part.
Well, a Cylon attack was frankly inevitable. Why else would they come among us?
Instinctively he knew deep down that Humanity would inevitably face their Machine creations sometime in the future. He is giving new Generations helpful advice (He just didn't know that this meeting would occur within a few hours combined with an Apocalyptic Attack on the Twelve Colonies).
I think a war with the Cylons was inevitable since they didn’t send an ambassador each year.
".. sometimes it's too high" - I think about this a lot. Especially how we look upon eachother, exploit eachother, our expectations towards eachother in how much we need to produce/what gives value - like sometimes - the price for a certain result just isn't really worth it.
A brilliant, original way to introduce the re-booted version.
The new chapters, novels of the space saga/opera..
It acknowledged and paid homeage to the past, its origins but brought the story to new generations
How relevant his speech is, anyone watching in 2020??
Legit came to it because of how fitting it is
Not very
Makes me think about it more since I’m about to have a son in December. “Revisiting our sins upon our children” part really hits hard
@@LostNneverland So what are your sins
Robert Johnson not sure... but I am sure whatever insecurities I have I hope I don’t pass on to my children. I think all parents at some level pass on their sins unintentionally and unconsciously. No one is perfect I guess
i cried even after long years when it ended...stays a great decommissioning speech, i miss everything aboat the series, movies
Adama/Thrace 2020 SO SAY WE ALL
She'll lead us to our end.
So say we all.
So say we all
God I can't believe I wrote that three years ago. Seems more right than ever sadly.
Harbinger of death she is
It's amazing what a grizzled old officer can say in public when he knows he's nearing retirement.
1:40 - that side look from the journalist takes on a whole new meaning when you later realize that he's a Cylon.
Up until 0:09 we can see an OG series Viper, Raider, Landram, and several screenshots of the OG Series implying that the First Cylon War was much like the Original Series (With the exception of Laser Weapons and other unrealistic technology). Battlestar Galactica Deadlock built upon this by integrating the Original Series designs into the Reimagined Series aesthetic.
00:11 I think if humans ever unite, it should be under that music. I would follow my commander into the Hell with that tune lol
I love the universe they built. Also, could you imagine time travelers entering the BSG universe at key moments to either help the colonials prevent the fall of the colonies or prevent the escape of the Galactica and her fleet. For example, if someone switched out Balter's corrupted program with another that wasn't corrupted, and forged the paperwork that his program was installed fleet wide, the Cylons would have launched the invasion and then quickly realized that they couldn't shut down Colonial defenses. Their initial surprise attack would have failed. OR if a time traveling Cylons agent ensured that the antique Vipers sent to the Galactica we're all missing their engine cores. Then the Galactica would not have the Vipers necessary to defend itself and the fleet during the fall. Small changes like that would create a whole new timeline. Also, what if at the end of Season 2, the Cylon 6 Baltar helped to escape died but didn't trigger the nuclear device. How long could the Colonials remain on New Caprice without being discovered? That would also be interesting.
Note; Adama said "play GOD" singular. Of course, we know, miniseries, worldbuiling, sliped through proof-reading - but, here we are: either it is very clever and sublte reference by Adama OR proof that he - for whatever reason - subscribes to Cylon faith.
Humanity is a remarkably shallow petty and judgmental species, for all it's brilliance in other ways. Still, even that brilliance comes from only a tiny fraction of our species, then we build on it. Even then, we use that brilliance to self-aggrandize at the expense of others' well-being. We judge people based on nitpicky traits; too easily annoyed at others outside the norm; and exploit and abuse those without the ability or wherewithal to resist others who inflict bad onto them. So Adama is right to question why we deserve to exist.
This one gets me teary. Its a wish that my father would have had some sort of lowering of his gaurd like this here. It could have opened so many doors. In reality, that door was shut and sealed before he had me. But this scene here is a reminder that taking responsibility can bring a relationship into importance. And as NOT accepting liability devalues both people, taking responsibility is ALWAYS a personal act.
Just because I am curious ..... You mention your dads responsibility to your relationship but you seem to have glossed over YOUR responsibility . If you expect your dad to "reach out to you" shouldn't you be doing the same ? You are entirely correct that responsibility is a personal choice , my question is , Have you bothered to evaluate YOUR role in this relationship as willingly and as honestly as you appear to analyze the role of others ? Just food for thought , consider or ignore as you see fit .
@@I_am_Diogenes is there a reason you believe I didn't reach out to him?
@ 351 You didnt mention it . As I already stated you focus on your dad in your comment but neglect mentioning efforts made on your part to improve the situation , which makes me think that if you view the situation like that in conversation then you also see it the same way in application .
@@I_am_Diogenes I am sorry that you are making so many assumptions. I made many efforts throughout my life to talk to him and even hug him which were reluctantly met.
I am also trained in counseling psychology. I have participated in many men's groups focusing on communications and emotional exploration.
One of my Master's class presentations was in men's physical and emotional vulnerabilities due to inhibition to admit "weak" feelings.
Some people need a little proding to open up. Some need a lot. Others will not open up no matter what due to fear. Some choose substances to deaden the fear and shame of being "weak" others choose sex or workoholism to distract themselves from what they don't know how to handle.
I can tell you a personal story that when I was 20 I had a defective razor and as I pulled down on my cheek, the razor broke and the blade curled up and slit my cheek open. I grabbed a towel and placed it over my face and asked my father to take me to the hospital. He was reluctant but as we drove there he began to yell at me for making him late for a music concert. I needed a lot of stitches to close my face up.
Until I accept my own pains and angers I cannot accept others'. Accepting those experiences for what they mean to me allows all emotions to flow better. I can accept all my feelings. When I can hear my self I can hear someone else better. I can be with them.
You mentioned responsibility; an old adage says that responsibility is the ability to respond. When we say we have an experience as a child and our parents tell us to stop being weak or I'm proud of your effort does that not shape us into ourselves or their image of what we should be on spite of ourself? What happens to compassion?
@@351cleavland I thought I simply asked if you had made any overtures or just were expecting them from him . Not much room for assumptions in that .
Of course Roslin’s the one who starts the applause
0:30 *cough* CYLON *cough*
There were three cylons in this video. Two on the stage.
Best speech......EVER
That Original Series music tho 👀
would you like to know more?
I see what you did there, ya "Rough Neck"😉 !!!
When you realize they play the colonial anthem here. x3
Is that what it is? It is the opening theme of BG:TOS.
That's in the old theme, yes. But in the new series it was turned into the Colonial Anthem. :) ua-cam.com/video/AAk0hEVGgMY/v-deo.html
LordSylvestrion Very fitting.
@@TheSylwesterGames Good, but nothing beats the OG ua-cam.com/video/pHp9oZPqs8E/v-deo.html
@@TheSylwesterGames heh. even the creators knew not to forget about the past. bringing back the original theme, and having the Cylons take on their original designs for the prequel stuff. Smart move on their part.
1:10 cylon-bro is like, just read the speech old man so we can wipe you tf out
As a Jew, I think about this speech every time someone says I need to stand with Israel.
Well it's pretty b disheartening to go through a massive stellar war and see countless good people get blown to pieces or sustain lifetime injuries and then be confronted by the realization that the people who prosper and live thanks to that great sacrifice are ungrateful and have no concern for the value of human life. But that's not all people.
Happening now. AI .
Adama: ‘why are we worth saving?’
From what I learned from this show and seeing how horrible these people are, I don’t think they’re worth saving. Frak ‘em. Frak em all to hell. So frak them all.
it's inconsistent almost like hybrid talk
I think BSG starts at the same point where GoT ends
i dont get it
What the hell are you on about?
No
Don’t even bring up that garbage show.
I Would have Expected ! That ADAMA ! WOULD HAVE ! SAID !! ACTOR ! LORNE GREEN !! SAID !! IN THE END !! OF THE ! T.V SERIES SHOWS !! " FLEAING THE CYLON TIVERNEY ! ......................KNOWN AS ! EARTH !!
Good grief!
When I stared this clip, and heard the rousing original Battlestar Galactica theme, I thought "Wow, maybe this show isn't all morose and depressing." Then Adama started his speech and I wondered why no one gave the writers the Prozac they desperately needed.
Ah, but "So say we all." In the end Adama gave his ship the hope they needed.
Go watch some Fast and Furious.
@@usul573 Well, that would beat "The Young and the Restless...IN SPACE!"
@@DJ_Force What does that mean?
@@usul573 That means that, from what I saw, the show had more in common with a soap opera than the space adventure of it's namesake. A lot of intrigue, a lot of people taking about people, a lot of sex, a lot of defective people, a lot of plot twists.
Colonel Tigh revealing he is a cylon was just one small step above the "No, I'm his evil twin!" plot twist of soap opera TV.
Another "human" race, could be stereo type cast in regards to religious belief in our time, at the moment!
Sooner, or later... The day, comes!
Again.
Again.
Again.
Again...
So many times "the day comes" and humanity fails to learn yet again and another day eventually comes, just like it, because humanity failed to learn.
Damn. What a pompous, self-righteous, judgmental, ass. Anyone who thinks he has a right to judge all of mankind based on his own notions, his own sentiments, his own politics, falls into that category. Keep it to yourself and see a psychiatrist.
He did, that psychiatrist died in a nuclear hellfire along with the rest of the vast majority of humanity.