Fun fact: ssj4 allows the user to adapt to their opponents especially their techniques. Meaning if the opponent use a technique that devastated them before will slightly affect them the second time. This was shown during Eis shenron, and syn battle against Gt goku.
Fun fact: in heroes, xeno Trunks was originally supposed to get SSJ4, thus officially confirming that half Saiyans born without tails can still access the form. Unfortunately, the designers couldn't decide on the head hair color, so they decided to play it safe and give him god instead. Fair enough, I like the little curls in his hair in that form anyway.
They should’ve kept his purple hair with the same scarlet fur from Vegeta. Like how Vegeta’s hair is slightly browned because his OG early DBZ hair was slightly brown before it was changed to black when he arrived on earth. God Trunks (the long haired variant) looks cool and all, but SSJ4 on Trunks looks more sick and it’s sad that they never gave it to him. Maybe it’ll be something he’ll get eventually The short haired SSG Trunks looks awfull
I like the thought that ss4 or sayan prime is a metamorphosis instead of a form… like if they stayed in that form long enough, it would become permanent. This also hints that ss4 was using energy to complete the change. After the rebuilding of the body is completed it frees up a lot of energy making it even more powerful.
If I recall correctly, Goku said that he could stay for ages in SSJ4 if he wanted to. So, yeah, SSJ4 uses very little energy once activated. And it amplifies the physical abilities and durability of the fighter.
@@ravenouself4181 a bit of a late reply,but this was also shown off by Goku himself during the Shadow Dragons Saga. Goku stayed in ssj4 after fighting 3 dragons _without detransforming_ ,and the only time he did so,he got back to it almost immediately to save a falling building.
ssj4 is honestly one of my favorite transformations, i mean ssb just looks like ssj, i still like more than the others but its just base but with red hair and slimmer. the design of ssj4 is really good and how they obtain it makes some sense.
tbh was enough that Buu absorbed everybody else to boost his own power. once goku and vegeta let buu absorb them in their blue forms he could forcefully absorb Kefla, Hit, Freezer and Toppo and then victory was assured also against Jiren. that's the real reason Buu wasn't in the tournament, imho.
Can we agree that if ssj4 was cannon it would be the true super saiyan God form. I'm sick of them straying away from the og lore of the saiyans race. Like bring back ozaru bring back the tails that differentiate them from humans add ssj4 which come on is the best looking form out of everything.
This is a perfect idea to complete the characterisation of both goku and vegetas story rather then relying on god ki they resort to their roots to become stronger
Imagine how strong they would be if they combined limit breaker SS4 with there unique forms like ultra ego and ultra intinct. A purple ape and a silver ape.
the lack of tails is not because of a loss of great ape dna from being half saiyans, its from a natural strength high enough that the tail is not a neccesity for survival and only serves as a weakness, the combat adapt saiyan body just won't grow one if you're strong enough, like how vegeta never grew a tail back
I always just viewed it as Chi Chi and Bulma cut off Goten and Trunk's tails their tails after being born, as opposed to them never having tails. Nip the problem of a rampaging Great Ape in the bud before anything gets destroyed.
@@Eevee860 ...I did not know that. Disregard what I said then :P (Still gonna use my theory as headcanon though, since it makes more sense than them being born without tails, since Gohan was born with one, but yeah)
@@ShadeDergon97 Tails are a recessive gene, in pure saiyans they all had it so their chidren also always had it, but with people only part saiyan they're highly likely to just not have tails, gohan got a rare spin on the genetic lottery, like someone with blue eyes, and you see some half saiyans with black hair and some without despite all pure saiyans having black hair
Plus don't forget magical clothes, plus we can't forget that it was the SSJ4 transformation that almost made Sean Schemmel pass out doing the transformation due to how hot that booth was
imagine how hilarious it would be if Goku and Vegeta Fused into Gogeta with those new powers in the TOP! i can't stop laughing, thinking about Gogeta just ROFL'Stomping EVERYONE in SECONDS! xD
I would love to see them reuse super saiyan 4 in the future maybe tweak it to be a direct evolution of blue where as ultra instinct is kind of it’s own thing maybe play it as becoming a “true” god of saiyans where ssj god is closer to a saiyan with god like powers
There is something that is kinda bugging me. In this scenario, Salad keeps reminding us that Goku and Vegeta are way stronger than their canonical counterparts, which means a stronger Super Saiyan Blue. Vegeta, in Dragon Ball Super Hero stated that Jiren's powers were not in a different ballpark than the two saiyans, it's just that Jiren is more efficient in when and how he unleashes his power, having close to no waste. Unless Vegeta meant that Jiren wasn't that different when Goku was in SSBKKx20 and Vegeta was in Blue Evolution, I don't see why this scenario's Vegeta wouldn't have the upper-hand against Jiren while he was fighting as blue.
i wish ss4 was used in super is def my favourite, but i actually liked ssg (wish it was just called saiyan god) liked the slim but powerful and it was so hmm “efficient” with the power.
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19:17 that translates to "All you had, plus a bit extra"
The biggest plot hole is probably the fact that the earth's moon has been gone for a long time, so unless future earth got a new one, Goku Black wouldn't have gotten the inspiration.
I always assumed Dende or Kami fixed it again after Piccolo blew it up. They did after Roshi first destroyed it. Plus, the saiyans don't keep their tails in any canon except GT, so it's safe.
@alphawolf7417 tbh it's been 6mo since i watched this one so i cant affirm nor debate what you say. I just remember that in DBZ the moon came back offscreen after Goku mentions that it's probably safe since Kami cut off his tail.
I liked this, although the formula of using SSJ4 was telegraphed (by necessity), the rest of the story's elements felt fresh and I didn't feel I could predict what would happen. It was good clean fun watching to see how you would handle the scenario.
Every time I rewatch this what-if movie, I can’t help but think of how much more fun DBS would have been like if Super Saiyan 4 came before Super Saiyan God and Blue. Also, seeing Broly use the Wrathful form in DBS: Broly got me thinking: ‘Could Broly potentially become the first canon Super Saiyan 4?’ The fact that both Wrathful and Super Saiyan 4 draw out the Great Ape’s power in the user’s humanoid form made me wonder if Goku, Vegeta, and Goku Black could pull either of these forms off in canon. Love this what-if movie, overall. Long live Super Saiyan 4!
That's actually one of the differences. Black never goes super saiyan in the anime, making Rosè into his Super Saiyan form (The explanation is that it's what happens when a divine being goes super saiyan). Most of these What-Ifs take more Anime continuity than Manga continuity for everything up to the Moro Arc.
I like the idea of Vegeta just not liking SSJ3. It's basically an extreme version of SSJ Grades 2 and 3, but unlike Goku who found them but immediately jumped to SSJ Grade 4, Vegeta got humiliated and saw Trunks get humiliated in these forms, probably making him dislike these forms that have a cost for power.
the 1 good thing about ss4 is it's energy efficient enough that it's plausable for a mortal to combine it with ssg, ssb2 and ssb3 are only possible for goku black becuase he can get around the energy drain
In my opinion, SSJ4 Gogeta beats Beerus. It's stated that he's the strongest being in existence, and GT takes place years upon years after Z and Super, I know it's minor since that fight was literally the start, but still
Combining the red of super saiyan red (the compression of great ape + super saiyan god) and blue of super saiyan blue (super saiyan god + super saiyan) to create purple Edit: the true super saiyan god
I wish this progressed into the Granolah arc, UI SS4 and UE SS4 would be so crazy. Also Gohan didn't get SS4, seeing SS4 Beast would be cool. SS4 Broly would be a problem too and would be amazing to see. Possibly infuse this with more GT stuff too?
I find it funny you always have vegeta go ssj4 first as if it was his thing, when in official dragonball material made by Toei themselves Goku was the first to achieve it.
@@philipmc1545 btw u commented about the multipliers for lbssj4 but let me tell u this lbssj4 is not that much stronger then ssjb it might actually be weaker becuz lbssj4 only looks so strong because it was from an energy donation from other people and xeno goku's base form is stronger then that of cc goku and cc goku has better forms
I think you should revisit this series and redo it a different way I love the way this one is. But I can sence you had some other ideas for this very concept. Maybe some expanded story and ad some extra characters like cumber and turles.
I was confused a bit on how Vegeta went ssj4 with the blutz waves when he could use his artificial moon, but other than that minor nitpick the scenario was fun! Ssj4 is so awesome.
Super cancer for the humans, nothing except a small power boost for the U6 saiyans. The humans get super cancer because think. It's basically hypercharged prolonged exposure to MASSIVE amounts of radiation. Regardless of type, if you're exposed to 17 million zenos of radiation as a human you're getting cancer or just straight dying😂 (not trying to be offensive to people with cancer, it seriously sucks, but that much radiation is a given yo kill you.)
Good thing Zamasu didn’t fuse with Goku Black. Imagining Zamasu covered in fur would be too hilarious to take seriously. Only sad my boy Gohan didn’t want to test SSJ4 out and then mix it with ultimate
I think the way they could have utilized Super Saiyan 4 is by incorporating it in their base form the same way Broly had his Ikari. This would have also been interesting because this was a way for them to still keep the benefits of SSJ4 but without the drawback of being hairy all the time, maybe a simple eye change would be nice and adds to the simplicity of their transformations overall.
Moro Minion: uh, sir? We have reports that all the troops we sent to earth were defeated Moro: shit Minion: i wasn't finished... Moro: oh god... Minion: 7-3 was in that group... Moro: SHIIT!!!
To me, SSJ4 is the ultimate transformation of a pure blooded saiyan. It looks godly and has that intense aura. I hope this becomes Goku and Vegeta’s peak form in the Super manga. They need something to surpass Black Freeza now. Let it be super saiyan 4. Have it be a power that both goku and vegeta are afraid to use.
Whis told Beerus you were a cataclysm to his universe. Apparently he did not approve of ignoring his lessons on season 1 of DB Super. Fully contained ki is what is dubbed god ki. Beerus may hakai you for this… Jokes aside its fitting Bulma would figure put the way to achieve next level. I can see SSJ4 being combined with fully contained ki reaching a version of cannon base form named improperly as ssgss. If they used SSJ4 as a permanent base form plus always containing their ki it would be their true to race maximum base form.
Now that I think about it, in the Dragon Ball Heroes anime, Goku Black could have gotten Super Saiyan Rosé 4 instead of SSJ Rosé Full Power, but still, the fact that Black had a tail in SSJRFP means that could have happened.
This what if unironically fixes some issues with super, for one ssg gets even more hype as well as ssb, Vegeta gets more moments to shine, even getting the win in some arcs, and obviously the inclusion of ssj4 is just the icing on this delicious metaphorical cake, I think this is my favorite saiyan focused what if on the channel, besides what if Frieza raised Goku and the 2 lssj what ifs
i forgot how ss4 works but doesn’t it do something like make you as strong as you could possibly be at the moment or something. i could be thinking about Potential Unleashed but idk
@Vyorus power levels dont get used after the frieza saga/arc and there are no official multipliers for the god forms and ssj4 so it depends and ssj4 has fpssj4 and ultra fpssj4 or super fp ssj4
@Vyorus Power levels have long been lost since they stopped mentioning them . You can do powerscaling which consists of feats , statements , and simply shown power differences . And by that , Ssj4 Goku from its first appearance is stronger than god form .
@Vyorus No they aren't, cuz that way Super Vegito would be weaker than Buuhan because of not nearly comparable stated destructive feat which is the basic meaning of " feats " these days .
@@str9306 Yeah Super Saiyan 4 works like a potential unlock, however that's just the baseline because the form also has the limit breaking power so the form gets stronger overtime. Underrated form.
I liked ssj4 in gt, though it was bizarre he could switch between adult and kid form. But i liked the form. Im surprised you didint ahve vegeta use dragonballs to wish his tail back.
Here's a fact everyone might not know is that ssj4 has a healing factor, altough it may not seem as instant as other types of healing in the franchise but over time while in ssj4 the body while heal wounds as shown with Eis shenron when he slashed goku's eye's then much later those eyes were magically healed in a fight against syn
Here’s what I’m wondering: So, as we all know, Super Saiyan + Great Ape makes SSJ4. Simple enough. Then, Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God makes SSJSS, or Super Saiyan Blue. A bit more interesting, but still not complex. Afterwards, as most what-if makers have it, mixing Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, and Great Ape into one form makes SSJ4 Limit Breaker (or SSGSS4 depending on how what-if). That’s a pretty big transformation, but if you’re familiar with these videos, relatively well-known. But what if you take it a step back? What would happen if you mix Super Saiyan God with Great Ape, but didn’t add Super Saiyan as well? How would that mixture of God Ki and blutz waves function? Would it keep you big and as a monkey, but with red fur? Would you look like a SSJ4, but with less spiky hair? What would happen?
Hear me out.. if super saiyan 4 was in DBS it would basically be perfected ultra instinct for goku but he can use it anytime he wants because super saiyan 4 puts you in a point in your life where you were most strongest and for goku that would be MUI so super saiyan 4 would have the same strength as mui or tui now.
THANK YOU for not making ssj4 stronger than god cause it makes no sense like Ozaru multiplier is x10 and ssj is x50 so 10 x 50 = 500 and god is definitely higher than that
I personally think that ssj4 is 4000x due to it requiring full mastery of ssj and ozaru but still based of it being probably a 10x multiplier on ssj3, ssjg would still be stronger
@@aterrariastarcell5952 actually that makes sense. ssj mastered multiplier also kinda has to be over 50x if you watch seththeprogrammers vid on it and how 50x doesn’t really make sense
Honestly the way i see it, it isn't that trunks or gotens were born without a tail. I like to believe that when they were born they immediately cut them off as they are born as a way not to risk another great ape incident as they know about what happened to goku and gohan when they turn into a great ape.
Highly disagree with giving Super Saiyan 4 God Ki. Considering Super Saiyan 4 is not a fixed power increase, Goku and Vegeta could just train and keep using the form to power it up overtime since it's a limit breaking transformation. Giving it God Ki just makes it less unique and more like existing forms in Super. Broly and Jiren are both ridiculously powerful without God Ki so it's not like it's a must have for them to become stronger.
Wait let me tell you something, ssj4 and ssj God are equals in multiplier and ssj4 has near infinite stamina, full power ssj4 is equal to ssjblue. Ultra FPSSJ4 is 50 times beyond that level. Full power super saiyan 4 limit breaker is equal to Ultra instinct. When ssj4 Gogeta and ssjblue gogeta appeared in their respective timelines they were equal to each other and when vegito blue appeared.
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frieza be like: "HE TURNED INTO A MONKEY, FUNNIEST SHIT I EVER SAW"
Then the funny stops when Freezy Pop got a fist to the face.
DANCE FOR US MONKEY
True.
17:26
Fun fact: ssj4 allows the user to adapt to their opponents especially their techniques. Meaning if the opponent use a technique that devastated them before will slightly affect them the second time. This was shown during Eis shenron, and syn battle against Gt goku.
Did I ask?
@gape pvp it’s a good fact and ur not funny
@@Kylanisking I actually did kinda ask
@@jaydonserrano6423 I agree with you completely 100%
So 101% know it will increase each second
the fact that golden frieza got scared of magic clothes is actually hilarious
"This power! How- wait...How did that monkey get its clothes back?"
HOLD UP WHEN I TRANSFORM MY CLOTHES ARE DESTROYED BUT THESE MONKEYS HAVE CLOTHE SORCERY! IM F*CKED
I honestly don’t think of GT as not cannon I just think of GT and Super as different timelines
@@Blonco-Ragasaki what
@@Blonco-Ragasaki yeah its not canon to the Manga
@@Blonco-Ragasaki okay
That’s what i think too!
@@Blonco-Ragasaki get your spelling right
Fun fact: in heroes, xeno Trunks was originally supposed to get SSJ4, thus officially confirming that half Saiyans born without tails can still access the form. Unfortunately, the designers couldn't decide on the head hair color, so they decided to play it safe and give him god instead. Fair enough, I like the little curls in his hair in that form anyway.
They should’ve kept his purple hair with the same scarlet fur from Vegeta. Like how Vegeta’s hair is slightly browned because his OG early DBZ hair was slightly brown before it was changed to black when he arrived on earth.
God Trunks (the long haired variant) looks cool and all, but SSJ4 on Trunks looks more sick and it’s sad that they never gave it to him. Maybe it’ll be something he’ll get eventually
The short haired SSG Trunks looks awfull
Cool
Dbsh isn't canon so not officially confirmed
@@trackstxar It's not canon to the main timeline. That doesn't mean it isn't canon in its own right. Especially since it involves time travel.
But gohan is half Saiyan and was born with a tail
"Frieza was terrified most that their clothes grew back"
Piccolo: Hehehe......... CLOTHES BEAM!
Frieza: AAAAAAAAAA
I like the thought that ss4 or sayan prime is a metamorphosis instead of a form… like if they stayed in that form long enough, it would become permanent. This also hints that ss4 was using energy to complete the change. After the rebuilding of the body is completed it frees up a lot of energy making it even more powerful.
i also thought something like this. Like ssj4 was like "The True" Saiyan form. It's the beast within becoming one with the face we see.
W what if.
If I recall correctly, Goku said that he could stay for ages in SSJ4 if he wanted to. So, yeah, SSJ4 uses very little energy once activated. And it amplifies the physical abilities and durability of the fighter.
@@ravenouself4181 a bit of a late reply,but this was also shown off by Goku himself during the Shadow Dragons Saga. Goku stayed in ssj4 after fighting 3 dragons _without detransforming_ ,and the only time he did so,he got back to it almost immediately to save a falling building.
@@crackersandpie136 except it can run out as I believe after defusing he and Vegeta finally ran out of power and were back in base form
You and smugstick have given us hella hours of content this weekend, and i thank you both for it
Me too
@Prestin Hurshberry ur racist
You don’t watch gokut23?
Arj too
@@creativelife2851 in my opinion his unrealistically what ifs and making goku broken doesn't make for a good what if
ssj4 is honestly one of my favorite transformations, i mean ssb just looks like ssj, i still like more than the others but its just base but with red hair and slimmer. the design of ssj4 is really good and how they obtain it makes some sense.
what do u think about lbssj4 and ssj5
@@N0NFAM_0US ssj5 is not seen in animation but it looked AWESOME in dragon ball AF
no ssj4
@@aliulkazim yes definitly
@@N0NFAM_0US took ya long enough
My fav forms have always been ssj2, ssj4, ssg, and UIO so this is gonna be pretty good (also ssj rage is pretty cool
Yeah
Favorite form is SS2? Bruh why it looks so damn forgettable. Half the time you can't even tell the difference between it and SS1
@@littlemoth4956 um the sparks and spikier hair, if you can't tell the difference that's on you my guy
@@littlemoth4956 that only applies to Vegeta, but it's extremely noticable for everybody else
yo, I really respect those choices.
18:43 the fact that he says the joke so casually makes it funnier
18:40 He afraid of magic clothes!? 😂 Lol
IMO I think Buu would of been the MVP Because he kept saving and healing people allowing
Vegeta and Goku to defeat Jiren.
tbh was enough that Buu absorbed everybody else to boost his own power.
once goku and vegeta let buu absorb them in their blue forms he could forcefully absorb Kefla, Hit, Freezer and Toppo and then victory was assured also against Jiren.
that's the real reason Buu wasn't in the tournament, imho.
@@leonardopaolieri1150 freezer💀
Legit how it would have gone if he was there
@@Futuristiceditz5644 ever heard of other languages besides English & Japanese because thats what they call Frieza in other countries
@@leonardopaolieri1150 Cell would have been very useful in the ToP as well.
Vegeta basically becoming the mc is making this so much more fun
Just for you
Just u
fr vegeta finally getting justice
0:44 Me from future: it will be full thing.
Super Saiyan 4 is the coolest Ssj look and concept wise.
Yeah!
Ssjg is better by a little
1? Ssjg
2. Ssj4
@@trackstxar SSG is boring af SS4 is clear
@@squizage_TVu are dead wrong
@@EricEzekiel-f4t interesting theory explain please
I thought it was funny that this video was 1 hour, 11 minutes and 11 seconds
Holy shit you're right😂😂😂😂😂
😂
It's not SSJ1 it's SSJ4
I was thinking the same thing
@@Izuku_Midoriya_Primeokay
Can we agree that if ssj4 was cannon it would be the true super saiyan God form. I'm sick of them straying away from the og lore of the saiyans race. Like bring back ozaru bring back the tails that differentiate them from humans add ssj4 which come on is the best looking form out of everything.
Just watch GT
Fr@@jayg9283
If they stack SSG and ultra ego on it yes
1. No god Ik
2. It’s a new mutant form that’s discovered.
SSJ and SSG are legends
LSSJ and SSJ4 is discovered/miatated
SS4 is my favorite transformation because it symbolizes the original transformation and how far saiyans can go. Thanks for making this video!
This is a perfect idea to complete the characterisation of both goku and vegetas story rather then relying on god ki they resort to their roots to become stronger
Finally! The Full Story of SSJ4 in DBS :"3
Imagine how strong they would be if they combined limit breaker SS4 with there unique forms like ultra ego and ultra intinct. A purple ape and a silver ape.
Bro holy f*ck 😳 that would be the dopest shit ever . This needs to be a thing!!!
Aaaand then let them fuse. Ultra Ego Instinct Bluzaru Gogeta!
King Kong having ultra instinct is wild
Basically Wrathful Instinct (SSJ4 + Ultra Instinct) and Wrathful Ego (SSJ4 + Ultra Ego), right?
Beast Super Saiyan 4. That would be crazy 💀 (short on my channel soon)
The story was amazing I loved it I hope to see you continue to creat more series like this.
They should highkey make it cannon again in super
And broly is the perfect candidate
@@crissanti8206 broly getting control of his rage would be cool
Honestly I say GT is a different timeline and Super is another timeline
@@deltathegamer4686 you dont say
For goku and veheta? No... But for Broly, Vegeta brother if exist, Goten and Trunks it would be more than perfect
SSJ 4 Gogeta is my favourite fusion so I was so happy to see it, This is just absolute HYPE!
@@nyreeb7074 Its been 2 years and I lowkey agree. SSJ4 Gogeta looks cool though.
the lack of tails is not because of a loss of great ape dna from being half saiyans, its from a natural strength high enough that the tail is not a neccesity for survival and only serves as a weakness, the combat adapt saiyan body just won't grow one if you're strong enough, like how vegeta never grew a tail back
I always just viewed it as Chi Chi and Bulma cut off Goten and Trunk's tails their tails after being born, as opposed to them never having tails. Nip the problem of a rampaging Great Ape in the bud before anything gets destroyed.
@@ShadeDergon97 akira toriyama straight up said they were born without tails
@@Eevee860 ...I did not know that. Disregard what I said then :P
(Still gonna use my theory as headcanon though, since it makes more sense than them being born without tails, since Gohan was born with one, but yeah)
@@ShadeDergon97 Tails are a recessive gene, in pure saiyans they all had it so their chidren also always had it, but with people only part saiyan they're highly likely to just not have tails, gohan got a rare spin on the genetic lottery, like someone with blue eyes, and you see some half saiyans with black hair and some without despite all pure saiyans having black hair
Also the fact it’s a recessive trait. Toriyama said it himself & the fact he forgot it existed.
Give me SS4 over god and blue any day. Those may be stronger but 4 has much more creativity and hype to it.
Plus don't forget magical clothes, plus we can't forget that it was the SSJ4 transformation that almost made Sean Schemmel pass out doing the transformation due to how hot that booth was
49:54 that is how I’d imagine stacking SSG and great ape then compressing that power into a human node form would look like
Always loved super sayian 4
Same
@@MrPrinceOhio same
@@Kazuko_69 same
Best transformation
Yes or sure?
@@agzone7226 definitely
Vegeta: "bulma I need you to analyze my stub for scientific purposes"
Bulma: "Which one"
Bulma making the blitz wave machine in gt was couple goals low key 😂
1 hour 11 minutes and 11 seconds.
Nice.
imagine how hilarious it would be if Goku and Vegeta Fused into Gogeta with those new powers in the TOP! i can't stop laughing, thinking about Gogeta just ROFL'Stomping EVERYONE in SECONDS! xD
watch Hyourinjuntsu
I would love to see them reuse super saiyan 4 in the future maybe tweak it to be a direct evolution of blue where as ultra instinct is kind of it’s own thing maybe play it as becoming a “true” god of saiyans where ssj god is closer to a saiyan with god like powers
That actually makes sense
So basically ssj5
@@idontcareballs7270 maybe I'm not understanding correctly but how would it be "basically ssj5" if 4 isn't even canon? Seriously I'm just curious lol
@@jaidamwhi4589 if we use this dude logic
Supersayian 4 with god ki would basically be ssj5
@@idontcareballs7270 if ssj4 is no longer canon it would be a reimagining, ssj5 would be apt from the viewers perspective edit : comma
This is a genuinely intriguing what-if lmao, earned a sub
Vegeta when he first time turned SSJ4:"Maybe I took Frieza's words too personally but I don't care because I've finally surpassed Kakarot."
There is something that is kinda bugging me. In this scenario, Salad keeps reminding us that Goku and Vegeta are way stronger than their canonical counterparts, which means a stronger Super Saiyan Blue. Vegeta, in Dragon Ball Super Hero stated that Jiren's powers were not in a different ballpark than the two saiyans, it's just that Jiren is more efficient in when and how he unleashes his power, having close to no waste. Unless Vegeta meant that Jiren wasn't that different when Goku was in SSBKKx20 and Vegeta was in Blue Evolution, I don't see why this scenario's Vegeta wouldn't have the upper-hand against Jiren while he was fighting as blue.
Yes, very interesting theory
frieza being surprised over goku turning into a monkey was really funny and i honestly loved it
Even after all this time Ssj4 is still my favorite transformation there's so much more detail on it than Super Saiyan God/Blue
i wish ss4 was used in super is def my favourite, but i actually liked ssg (wish it was just called saiyan god) liked the slim but powerful and it was so hmm “efficient” with the power.
19:17 that translates to "All you had, plus a bit extra"
The biggest plot hole is probably the fact that the earth's moon has been gone for a long time, so unless future earth got a new one, Goku Black wouldn't have gotten the inspiration.
I always assumed Dende or Kami fixed it again after Piccolo blew it up. They did after Roshi first destroyed it. Plus, the saiyans don't keep their tails in any canon except GT, so it's safe.
@alphawolf7417 tbh it's been 6mo since i watched this one so i cant affirm nor debate what you say. I just remember that in DBZ the moon came back offscreen after Goku mentions that it's probably safe since Kami cut off his tail.
Fun fact SS4 has the same or a greater multiplier than ultimate as both bring out the user’s potential to the max
This videos length is heaven for perfectionists
Don't know if this'll be a What-If MINI idea: What if Goku's Pod landed at Pilaf's Castle?
I liked this, although the formula of using SSJ4 was telegraphed (by necessity), the rest of the story's elements felt fresh and I didn't feel I could predict what would happen. It was good clean fun watching to see how you would handle the scenario.
Every time I rewatch this what-if movie, I can’t help but think of how much more fun DBS would have been like if Super Saiyan 4 came before Super Saiyan God and Blue. Also, seeing Broly use the Wrathful form in DBS: Broly got me thinking: ‘Could Broly potentially become the first canon Super Saiyan 4?’ The fact that both Wrathful and Super Saiyan 4 draw out the Great Ape’s power in the user’s humanoid form made me wonder if Goku, Vegeta, and Goku Black could pull either of these forms off in canon. Love this what-if movie, overall. Long live Super Saiyan 4!
Fun fact: rose is actually ssb, black actually went normal ssj in the manga.
That's actually one of the differences. Black never goes super saiyan in the anime, making Rosè into his Super Saiyan form (The explanation is that it's what happens when a divine being goes super saiyan). Most of these What-Ifs take more Anime continuity than Manga continuity for everything up to the Moro Arc.
I like the idea of Vegeta just not liking SSJ3. It's basically an extreme version of SSJ Grades 2 and 3, but unlike Goku who found them but immediately jumped to SSJ Grade 4, Vegeta got humiliated and saw Trunks get humiliated in these forms, probably making him dislike these forms that have a cost for power.
the 1 good thing about ss4 is it's energy efficient enough that it's plausable for a mortal to combine it with ssg, ssb2 and ssb3 are only possible for goku black becuase he can get around the energy drain
believe me we all wanted this to be cannon, and still waiting
In my opinion, SSJ4 Gogeta beats Beerus. It's stated that he's the strongest being in existence, and GT takes place years upon years after Z and Super, I know it's minor since that fight was literally the start, but still
GT is non canon
Your mother is not cannon
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@@AgnesBooth-zu7tw whomp whomp
That's stupid
I think the best way to get SSG4 you get SSB and stack great ape with SSG before trying to combine
Combining the red of super saiyan red (the compression of great ape + super saiyan god) and blue of super saiyan blue (super saiyan god + super saiyan) to create purple
Edit: the true super saiyan god
SSJ4 is canon though?
Akira Toriyama himself said that it exists in its own seperate timeline.
Fun fact: Super Saiyan 4 could've been canon as a Transformation, if Toriyama didn't cut off everyone's tails. 🐒
And if he made Bulma make a machine to replicate blutz waves
@@christopherford39 could just regrow their tails
he literally could have just said they were hidden in their pants, but instead he removed them.
Huh have yall forgotten broly? 😭 he literally went golden great ape
@@tastedivinefury2198 yo mean full power super saiyan beserk?
fun fact: yamcha would solo naruto verse
Fun fact
Canon chara can beat goku
@@Chaos_God_Charafun fact, KAMEHAMEHA
litteraly hydrogen bomb vs hydrogen child
I wish this progressed into the Granolah arc, UI SS4 and UE SS4 would be so crazy. Also Gohan didn't get SS4, seeing SS4 Beast would be cool. SS4 Broly would be a problem too and would be amazing to see. Possibly infuse this with more GT stuff too?
I find it funny you always have vegeta go ssj4 first as if it was his thing, when in official dragonball material made by Toei themselves Goku was the first to achieve it.
1 hour 11 minutes and 11 seconds, nice
I love ssj4 because the design and way of getting it
It ahould be canon. For Goku and Vegeta it won't help. But for Broly, Trunks, Goten and even pan or Vegetas brother if his canan
@@philipmc1545 u mean tarble he is canon but he is irrelevant and he does not even have ssj or anything else important
@@N0NFAM_0US he has a lot potential character but wasted sadge
@@philipmc1545 btw u commented about the multipliers for lbssj4 but let me tell u this lbssj4 is not that much stronger then ssjb it might actually be weaker becuz lbssj4 only looks so strong because it was from an energy donation from other people and xeno goku's base form is stronger then that of cc goku and cc goku has better forms
@@N0NFAM_0US Ah ok. But i just multiplied 100,000(Ssg multiplier) to 50 ssj multiplier
I love that you use dokkan art. Cause i literally play dokkan while watching your videos
I think you should revisit this series and redo it a different way I love the way this one is. But I can sence you had some other ideas for this very concept. Maybe some expanded story and ad some extra characters like cumber and turles.
Turles isn't canon?!?
I was confused a bit on how Vegeta went ssj4 with the blutz waves when he could use his artificial moon, but other than that minor nitpick the scenario was fun! Ssj4 is so awesome.
Oh shit plot hole
He forgor 💀
Doesn’t the bluts machine give way more blutz waves than the artificial moon that’s why it worked
No tail...
@@dekade420 I forgor 💀
Random fact: ssj god was originally going to look like ssj4 minus the body fur
But they wanted a simple look
Honestly, I would want to see what would happen if you pump an earthling or a universe 6 Saiyan with Blutz Waves.
Nothing
Super cancer for the humans, nothing except a small power boost for the U6 saiyans.
The humans get super cancer because think. It's basically hypercharged prolonged exposure to MASSIVE amounts of radiation. Regardless of type, if you're exposed to 17 million zenos of radiation as a human you're getting cancer or just straight dying😂 (not trying to be offensive to people with cancer, it seriously sucks, but that much radiation is a given yo kill you.)
Good thing Zamasu didn’t fuse with Goku Black. Imagining Zamasu covered in fur would be too hilarious to take seriously.
Only sad my boy Gohan didn’t want to test SSJ4 out and then mix it with ultimate
basically final form mira from xenoverse
Ultimate and SSJ4 were never in the same series.
@@deckzone3000 this whole what if story is mixing the ssj4 form with the super timeline.
@@deckzone3000 ....GT is supposed to be a sequel of z...
This is soo good that I’ve watched it 5times
I think the way they could have utilized Super Saiyan 4 is by incorporating it in their base form the same way Broly had his Ikari. This would have also been interesting because this was a way for them to still keep the benefits of SSJ4 but without the drawback of being hairy all the time, maybe a simple eye change would be nice and adds to the simplicity of their transformations overall.
The entire cool factor IS the fur
ssgssj4 would be nice like ssj4 blue or ssj4 with ultra instinct and ssj4 ultra ego would be so good
Trunks and Goten were born with a tail but had it removed at birth, which is an excuse because Akira didn't like drawing the tail.
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Mista when he sees the like goal ahhhfhhdhfh guhhdh
Vegeta: i need to buy some time
Hit: sure, it will be 20 bucks
hit the time salesman
Moro Minion: uh, sir? We have reports that all the troops we sent to earth were defeated
Moro: shit
Minion: i wasn't finished...
Moro: oh god...
Minion: 7-3 was in that group...
Moro: SHIIT!!!
To me, SSJ4 is the ultimate transformation of a pure blooded saiyan. It looks godly and has that intense aura. I hope this becomes Goku and Vegeta’s peak form in the Super manga. They need something to surpass Black Freeza now. Let it be super saiyan 4. Have it be a power that both goku and vegeta are afraid to use.
No
I think that Goku black’s version of SSJ 4 would give him light green fur like Zamosu’s skin color
Whis told Beerus you were a cataclysm to his universe. Apparently he did not approve of ignoring his lessons on season 1 of DB Super. Fully contained ki is what is dubbed god ki. Beerus may hakai you for this… Jokes aside its fitting Bulma would figure put the way to achieve next level. I can see SSJ4 being combined with fully contained ki reaching a version of cannon base form named improperly as ssgss. If they used SSJ4 as a permanent base form plus always containing their ki it would be their true to race maximum base form.
Now that I think about it, in the Dragon Ball Heroes anime, Goku Black could have gotten Super Saiyan Rosé 4 instead of SSJ Rosé Full Power, but still, the fact that Black had a tail in SSJRFP means that could have happened.
If they were to bring ssj4 so super, it would make the most sense if broly got it
Why did Vegeta stop at stacking SSJ on top of great ape why not do it with SSJ2 on top of great ape or SSJ3 on top of great ape?
I wish it had a story where you would combine god ki with sjj 4
The real question is would it look like Ssj4 with Red Hair or Blue Hair
Hmm maybe he would look like SSJ Mystic 4 from DBAF.
CLOTHES BEAM
This what if unironically fixes some issues with super, for one ssg gets even more hype as well as ssb, Vegeta gets more moments to shine, even getting the win in some arcs, and obviously the inclusion of ssj4 is just the icing on this delicious metaphorical cake, I think this is my favorite saiyan focused what if on the channel, besides what if Frieza raised Goku and the 2 lssj what ifs
THEY TOOK FRIEZA'S WORDS TOO SERIOUSLY💀
Bro ssj4lb is the best Form in db right after ui sign it just looks so great!!!
@Prestin Hurshberry ssj2 hair with blue coloured
Super Saiyan 4 is my fave, got yourself a sub
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Hot take: I personally think that SSJ4 is better than all god forms minus UI Omen, and Mastered UI.
i forgot how ss4 works but doesn’t it do something like make you as strong as you could possibly be at the moment or something. i could be thinking about Potential Unleashed but idk
@Vyorus power levels dont get used after the frieza saga/arc and there are no official multipliers for the god forms and ssj4 so it depends and ssj4 has fpssj4 and ultra fpssj4 or super fp ssj4
@Vyorus Power levels have long been lost since they stopped mentioning them . You can do powerscaling which consists of feats , statements , and simply shown power differences . And by that , Ssj4 Goku from its first appearance is stronger than god form .
@Vyorus No they aren't, cuz that way Super Vegito would be weaker than Buuhan because of not nearly comparable stated destructive feat which is the basic meaning of " feats " these days .
@@str9306 Yeah Super Saiyan 4 works like a potential unlock, however that's just the baseline because the form also has the limit breaking power so the form gets stronger overtime. Underrated form.
This is awesome a primal saiyan god and half breed oozaraiyan fighting off a fake oozaraiyan .
I liked ssj4 in gt, though it was bizarre he could switch between adult and kid form. But i liked the form. Im surprised you didint ahve vegeta use dragonballs to wish his tail back.
The video is great but I love how the video is 1 hour 11 minutes and 11 seconds... nice
Here's a fact everyone might not know is that ssj4 has a healing factor, altough it may not seem as instant as other types of healing in the franchise but over time while in ssj4 the body while heal wounds as shown with Eis shenron when he slashed goku's eye's then much later those eyes were magically healed in a fight against syn
Realistically, SSJ4 has better scaling than SSG. Regardless of scaling however, this was very entertaining. W vid.
Here’s what I’m wondering:
So, as we all know, Super Saiyan + Great Ape makes SSJ4. Simple enough.
Then, Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God makes SSJSS, or Super Saiyan Blue. A bit more interesting, but still not complex.
Afterwards, as most what-if makers have it, mixing Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, and Great Ape into one form makes SSJ4 Limit Breaker (or SSGSS4 depending on how what-if). That’s a pretty big transformation, but if you’re familiar with these videos, relatively well-known.
But what if you take it a step back? What would happen if you mix Super Saiyan God with Great Ape, but didn’t add Super Saiyan as well? How would that mixture of God Ki and blutz waves function? Would it keep you big and as a monkey, but with red fur? Would you look like a SSJ4, but with less spiky hair? What would happen?
What about UIO/MUI/TUI (ultra instinct omen, mastered ultra instinct, true ultra instinct)
@@Ghost4lpha silver fur if its mui uio and Tui would lookp retty similiar
Ssj4 is a golden great ape regaining control it’s to just great ape and ssj
@@N0NFAM_0US if something like ssj4 happened what would that look like cause It would look cool
@@tastedivinefury2198 Well not really. Ssj4 is something all together.
The Golden ape is it's own thing.
I think Goku would still ask Shenron and get told about the super saiyan god ritual
Hear me out.. if super saiyan 4 was in DBS it would basically be perfected ultra instinct for goku but he can use it anytime he wants because super saiyan 4 puts you in a point in your life where you were most strongest and for goku that would be MUI so super saiyan 4 would have the same strength as mui or tui now.
Goatgeta breaking the potara, you love to see it.
Can you please make what if Goku focused more on his oozaru form
Simple he will get ssj4
Only complaint for this fanfic is that Uub isn't around to be part of team.
THANK YOU for not making ssj4 stronger than god cause it makes no sense like Ozaru multiplier is x10 and ssj is x50 so 10 x 50 = 500 and god is definitely higher than that
I personally think that ssj4 is 4000x due to it requiring full mastery of ssj and ozaru but still based of it being probably a 10x multiplier on ssj3, ssjg would still be stronger
@@aterrariastarcell5952 actually that makes sense. ssj mastered multiplier also kinda has to be over 50x if you watch seththeprogrammers vid on it and how 50x doesn’t really make sense
@@str9306 it does not 4000 is way too low
@@N0NFAM_0US why
@@aterrariastarcell5952 LOL
Honestly the way i see it, it isn't that trunks or gotens were born without a tail. I like to believe that when they were born they immediately cut them off as they are born as a way not to risk another great ape incident as they know about what happened to goku and gohan when they turn into a great ape.
Highly disagree with giving Super Saiyan 4 God Ki. Considering Super Saiyan 4 is not a fixed power increase, Goku and Vegeta could just train and keep using the form to power it up overtime since it's a limit breaking transformation. Giving it God Ki just makes it less unique and more like existing forms in Super. Broly and Jiren are both ridiculously powerful without God Ki so it's not like it's a must have for them to become stronger.
Wait let me tell you something, ssj4 and ssj God are equals in multiplier and ssj4 has near infinite stamina, full power ssj4 is equal to ssjblue. Ultra FPSSJ4 is 50 times beyond that level. Full power super saiyan 4 limit breaker is equal to Ultra instinct. When ssj4 Gogeta and ssjblue gogeta appeared in their respective timelines they were equal to each other and when vegito blue appeared.