If you watch gt youd see goku would beat baby vegeta easily in ssj4 and have a hard time in golden great ape so low ball would be ssj4 is 10 tomes that of golden great ape so id say ssj4 is either 400,000 or 4milliom boost from base
A what if suggestion What if goku was a ki dragon slayer and for God ki a ki God slayer there is magic in dragon ball so yeah and there's dragons and wish dragons to get ki god slayer magic There from fairy tail btw
@@noc9200 because super Saiyan 2 is a 1000x multiplier and super Saiyan 3 is 4000x multipleir and base baby fodderised him making him 2 times stronger but super Saiyan 2 baby got fodderised by golden great ape making him at least 2x stronger but baby golden great ape is even to super Saiyan 2 baby but baby golden great ape is a 100x stronger than the normal one cause he was blasted with a thousand times the bloodwaves needed for transforming because he doesn't have a tail so he needs 10x for transforming so it is a 100x stronger than the normal one so making it a 128,000,000,000x times multiplier and the making the super Saiyan 4 100,000,000,000,000,000
I’m surprised that losing the tail didn’t power Goku back down to base. I guess the situation is more so a genetic mutation rather than a permanent state of transformation
It’s crazy that vegeta’s dad see anyone with a high power within his own race is a danger but if it was his children he would be praising them. They need a better king who isn’t scared of his own power
This is one of those "If Goku was born with Friezas power" type topics, and I think Frieza would have recognized Goku as the same as himself, where they were both born in there ultimate forms, thus, I believe that Goku should have eventually learned how to "suppress" his powers by turning back into a normal Saiyan after witnessing his own species in their base forms. That and what he should have learned from Kami if he ever met him I honestly don't remember, I'm watching this in segments
Except this is a PERMANENT form. They were BORN as super saiyan 4. It is his base. I do agree with the suppressing part though, but not him being able to turn into a normal saiyan.
Frieza didn't learn to suppress his power because he saw other members of his own species, he did it because he was afraid he would accidentally destroy everyone and everything around him due to the massive power he tossed around casually. Frieza wasn't born in his "ultimate form" he was born in his natural and base form.
I love how Goku not being able to learn God Ki outright keeps the importance of the "base" Super Saiyan transformations, rather than have everyone forget about SSJ 3 and further in favor of god-stuff. It feels much more organic here - Vegeta and Raditz are behind Goku so taking the god-boost is an excellent choice, while Goku learns a path of his own. Him getting to SSJ5 is not cool just because SSJ5 (which is awesome in itself), but because only *he* will get that transformation, a true pinnacle.
@@WyvernLP sdbh isnt canon either, its just another timeline, and ssj5 was created by toyotaro before he became an official. so i guess theyre both half canon
Fun fact: ssj4 allows the user to adapt to their opponents entirely, technique, moves, fighting style, and abilities. Kinda like broly this was shown in the fight with syn shenron and eis shenron. Depending on which grade of ssj4 the form allows to user to have some form of awareness, which their instinct kicks in which their body tells them whether they need to dodge an attack. So technically speaking have a fraction of broly’s adaptability, and omen Ui in a sense. Gt Goku stated “it’s like my body is moving on it’s own”. And to put icing on the cakes 🎂 their senses are heightened dramatically making not even have to rely on sensing ki to find the location of their opponents. Once he unlocked grade 3 in ssj4 in the shadow dragon saga Facts: Actually the ssj4 form is 4million in terms of power/ multiplier. The concept of ssj and ozaruu mixing is an understatement. Ssj is actually used as an engine for the ozaruu which empowers the ozaruu to dramatical heights. It does this by amplifying the amount of wavelength with in the ozaruu. Also depends on which grade of ssj you have but theoretically speaking grade 4 is use for this example. In return ozaruu starts going berserk which do to the amount rage boosts its getting from ozaruu allows ssj to increase in power/ multiplier. In which the cycle continues on and on until the user usually regains consciousness and push the “engine to its limits”. If not the their power will constantly increase to unstable heights until they destroys themselves in process. Hence the ssj profecy told by Vegeta in the namek saga, we were shown that the person went ozaruu with ssj and destroyed himself and the planet. So to simplify it golden ozaruu starting point is 500x-5,000x depending on the grade of ssj The end point of golden ozaruu when the user regains consciousness and has push the engine to it limits, will have a multiplier of 400,000x Now I’ll have to tell the you about ssj4 grades 1-4 Grade 1 ssj4 (4,000,000x) their user is put into their prime meaning that they are at peak performance and physique. The zenkais are at a exponential rate, and literally has the raw strength of the ozaruu condense to humanoid form. Grade 2 full power ssj4 (8,000,000) they get red outline around their body showing that they are in full power mode and literally unlocks 50% of the remainder of the forms power. Grade 3 is ultra full power ssj4 (8,000,000x) the multiplier remains the same but the primal power is reverted back to their base form meaning just like god ki the 8,000,000x is now applied to their base. As mentioned in the fun fact is now applied to their base form and they have ikari now meaning they don’t need to turn into a giant monkey due to them unlocking grade 3 ssj4. Their sense are now heightened to a exponential degree. Meaning that they don’t have to sense ki to find their opponent they can just sense them from the other 5 senses instead to pinpoint where they are. He unlock this form by using the remainder ssjs to give him his energy to by pass the grade system just like how he did with the battle of great ape baby vegeta. Now it time for grade 4 which is theoretical but is probably gogeta ssj4 form with red hair. Which I called ascended ssj4 where their hair change to red just like their fur to (16,000,000x and continues to increase since it continuously breaks the users limits) understand that this form is capable of making a power aura that can defend the users from any attacks. As shown when fighting omega shenron. Their was literally no bounds when it came to that form for gogeta. Ssj4 is another base form
I'm almost certain that the SSJ multiplier is pretty accurate. Grade two increases raw strength by 10X, that more likely just adds to the multiplier but it only affects raw strength. Masters SSJ would be as powerful as grade 2 but stamina would be no issue. If SSJ grade two were 500X then it would've obliterated cell the moment Vegeta made contact.
Cell>Vegeta and Trunks, it's simple. It's the ssj grade 3 that has a 500x multiplier (for only strength), not the ssj grade 2, there's a guide book about it
According to one source Super Saiyan Third Grade is weaker than Super Saiyan 2, (Trunks anime comics - "Super Saiyan" section) while according to another source, Super Saiyan Third Grade is 10x stronger than the previous form, (The Legendary Manga: "Trunks acquires a force 10 times greater, but his movement skills are more limited.") though slows the user substantially. This form draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits. (Daizenshuu 2, 1995)
@@Smollyeet That doesn't make sense though SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1, so that means SSJ1 3rd grade is 1.9x or less SSJ1 Not saying you don't make sense, but the team behind DB doesn't
I liked that Vegeta became more tactical in this series with learning all of the Yardrat techniques. Plus, Goku developed more as a character because of Vegeta, which was pretty cool. 👍 Also, oh boy, I never thought I would see SSJ5 in a series of yours, but then again, I said the same thing with Omni-SSJ White Form. 😆 Raditz is just best uncle for this series enough said, and happy that he has his own path of power like Goku & Vegeta does. 👍 I'm glad Gohan's path stayed the same roughly. A missed opportunity thought with Gohan possible getting SSJ4 transformation since his tail was never cut off, but it's fine, plus Beast Gohan with a Sliver Tail sounds pretty cool. 👍My favorite part was Grandpa Gohan, not dying because he got to be with Goku on his journey from Early Dragon Ball to him fighting with Goku, his new family (Gohan & Goten), and friends & students during the TOP. Finally, you definitely need to do more of these full remakes for your older series. Anyways overall another really good Full-Story, and looking forward to the next one soon. What if suggestion: What if Gohan got Futuresight? (He get it from a Kanassan that is a part of the Frieza Force while on Namek.)
I wasnt initially going to do SSJ5 but in the first version people asked me to do it and writing the TOP i was like screw it. I wanted it to be like gokus ultra instinct, like the peak power for this series
It's in his name and cell also explains it in the cell saga he is a cell and cells have regenerative abilities of their on so technically even without piccolos ability he can still regenerate
18:00 not a plot hole, Raditz probably expected Goku to use the pod he came to earth on, it is visually identical to the pod Raditz comes on, and would likely be good enough to hold adult Goku given how much extra space we see kid Goku having when he is sent off.
Makes sense, and I'm glad you kept the power with Goku and not had Gohan get it too nor Goten, and the 3 going their own way to gain new power totally fits.
I feel that they should make the super saiyan 4 concept actually cannon (call it something different of course.)the ultimate god form of a saiyan, goku white fur for UI and Vegeta gets purple fur as god of destruction. And create a are where goku becomes a Kai counter part to vegeta causing them to always work together if ever threatened.
If cannon could name it based on oozaru kinda like. Gohan's beast form something like oozaru 2. since oozaru is cannon and golden oozaru isn't. so it would be oozarus second form and not the third. Instead of naming it super Saiyan 4
Excellent as always, Saiyan Motion. Also, when did you include SSJ5? The form itself was Toyotoro's fictional creation when he was Toyble, and the multiplier of the form is unclear. Do you have the idea how powerful it is? Good remake though. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
in the first version of this series people kept telling me to put it in some how and this time I was like screw it. I found a good way to do it and I wanted it to be like ultra instinct where it would be gokus peak form for the series.
Alright so, this is a great series, but I see something that got overlooked. Something that everyone's done when creating this what if: S Cells. Yes, Gohan wouldn't have SSJ4, BUT it should be pretty clear that Goku's S Cell count would be much higher than in canon. Gohan should have just as little or less difficulty than Goten in canon in regards to becoming a SSJ. Due to how this story went down, I still don't think he'd unlock it before Raditz or Vegeta, but upon the early training, SSJ being easy to him should be noted.
@@SaiyanMotion To be fair, I don’t think much of the story changes. Gohan probably would have lost in RoF regardless without his early years of training. Only thing I was surprised to not see is someone else unlocking SSJ4 eventually
5:35 So we get respectful young man Goku, not happy-go-lucky innocent goofball Goku. Aw, I like happy-go-lucky innocent goofball Goku... oh well, this just means he won't end up as bumbling buffoon Goku much later on...
This was the first what if I watched on your channel.So happy to see you doing a remake of this legendary what if.Subscirbe because he made my fave transformation SSJ4
Radiz probably planned to use the pod that was used to send Goku to earth. Wouldn't the Saiyans assume that kakarot was a super Saiyan when he was born in that form. Especially Prince Vegeta.
@@SaiyanMotion cannon is contextual to the storyline you’re talking about. Things happened in the DBS manga that didn’t in the anime and visa-versa, that doesn’t make either one “non-cannon”. They’re simply cannon to their respective storyline. Just like GT is it’s own storyline IN the dragon ball franchise.
@@sbro17 GT wasn't written by the creator of the series. Both the manga and anime have differences but they're most common trait is what testifies to them both being canon, Toriyama wrote it.
Really appreciate your good grammer, normally when i find dragon ball what ifs the persons grammer is all over the place, but your very easy to understand so im very thankful for that 🙏 Finished the what if. Gotta say your writing and story telling is amazing. You rightfully earned a new subscriber, and i hope to see you blow up even further!
Ayee I really appreciate it man! Thank you so much, i've finally started uploading consistently again and I plan to do so for the whole year and onward. So reading back through old comments is def giving me great motivation!
@@SaiyanMotion I'm glad I could give some motivation, I'm excited to see what stories you come up with and how you tell them. I also recently saved your Ikari goku video in my watch later, so I'm gonna watch that in my free time. Best of luck to you!
Would be interesting if they explained Kakarot as a Saiyan who was a mutant, a mutated saiyan who was born with the Oozaru form/strength in base, and so couldn't transform into a Great Ape later in life. (Kinda like how Broly could utilize Oozaru power in base, and so didn't need to transform. Kinda wish Paragus didn't cut his tail off but, we all know we can't have any saiyans with tails to animate for too long, eh? 😮💨)
I wish goku would’ve been able to learn how to get out of ssj4 and do everything he did in super and z and much much more so please make another similar to this but he’s able to get out of 4 eventually
Maybe it could be caused by being born with a blood moon. Or some space anomaly enhancing Blutz Waves in the area to cause that to happen. Wasn't Blutz Waves part of a ssj4 explanation in DragonBall Xenoverse?
My personal favorite is ssj2, it was an evolution to an iconic transformation when it wasn't over done (LOOKING AT YOU SSJ3). And the android saga was peak dragon ball
if his birth power level starts at 2 and SSJ4 is a x40,000 multiplier it would mean that he's born with a power level of 80,000 and you can't convince me frieza wouldn't have noticed and have him personally executed before he wiped all the other saiyans
A what if suggestion What if goku was a ki dragon slayer and for God ki a ki God slayer there is magic in dragon ball so yeah and there's dragons and wish dragons to get ki god slayer magic There from fairy tail btw
grade 4 ssj is a 50x multiplier, the reason its so strong is because the method of training and the extreme difficulty in training while in ssj, that is the widely accepted point
This story would be damn short King Vegeta would've order the Kill order immediately. But dang you let out a good part saying that him be born as a SSJ4 scared the hell out of Broly and made all the baby saiyans in the incubators to cry and shit.
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Also in cannon they can stack forms its just super draining so ssj4 and lssj1 would be super op as infinite addaping with 4 million times strangth minnimum
Thinking about how Bardock sends off goku all the time made me think of an interesting what if “What if Bardock was a coward” in this what if Bardock and Gine would’ve stolen 3 ships and in a cowardly move Bardock sent goku to raditz to distract frieza while he and Gine escaped so he and Gine would be on earth while goku would go to his brother and tell the saiyans what happened, goku being enraged would train hard every day waiting for the day he can get revenge on his parents, on the other hand Bardock and Gine would go through a struggle in their relationship since Bardock did such a terrible thing but over the course of dragon ball Bardock would become more mature and they would make up
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If you watch gt youd see goku would beat baby vegeta easily in ssj4 and have a hard time in golden great ape so low ball would be ssj4 is 10 tomes that of golden great ape so id say ssj4 is either 400,000 or 4milliom boost from base
A what if suggestion
What if goku was a ki dragon slayer and for God ki a ki God slayer there is magic in dragon ball so yeah and there's dragons and wish dragons to get ki god slayer magic
There from fairy tail btw
@@noc9200 because super Saiyan 2 is a 1000x multiplier and super Saiyan 3 is 4000x multipleir and base baby fodderised him making him 2 times stronger but super Saiyan 2 baby got fodderised by golden great ape making him at least 2x stronger but baby golden great ape is even to super Saiyan 2 baby but baby golden great ape is a 100x stronger than the normal one cause he was blasted with a thousand times the bloodwaves needed for transforming because he doesn't have a tail so he needs 10x for transforming so it is a 100x stronger than the normal one so making it a 128,000,000,000x times multiplier and the making the super Saiyan 4 100,000,000,000,000,000
I’m surprised that losing the tail didn’t power Goku back down to base. I guess the situation is more so a genetic mutation rather than a permanent state of transformation
Exactly
Thats what got me surprised to. Hard to imagine SSJ4 without a tail, kind of just imagined it grew back right after the tournament
@@SaiyanMotion yeah that got me to i guess it's just that since Goku has been in ssj4 since he was born it would make him his base?
@@ytdujon23 damn, if it were his base point like other saiyans imagine him going super saiyan 4 on top of super saiyan 4
Right? Thought he’d have to relearn it
It’s crazy that vegeta’s dad see anyone with a high power within his own race is a danger but if it was his children he would be praising them. They need a better king who isn’t scared of his own power
Fr he did that to broly too
bro what 9:46
@@VøyzBlack
Even Paragus admitted King Vegeta may be right 😅
It's like Goku was also a Legendary Super Saiyan. Born every 10,000 years, this one is for ONE per those years. Amazing story, 10/10
Dumb ass it’s every 1000 years
This is one of those "If Goku was born with Friezas power" type topics, and I think Frieza would have recognized Goku as the same as himself, where they were both born in there ultimate forms, thus, I believe that Goku should have eventually learned how to "suppress" his powers by turning back into a normal Saiyan after witnessing his own species in their base forms. That and what he should have learned from Kami if he ever met him I honestly don't remember, I'm watching this in segments
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Except this is a PERMANENT form. They were BORN as super saiyan 4. It is his base. I do agree with the suppressing part though, but not him being able to turn into a normal saiyan.
Frieza didn't learn to suppress his power because he saw other members of his own species, he did it because he was afraid he would accidentally destroy everyone and everything around him due to the massive power he tossed around casually. Frieza wasn't born in his "ultimate form" he was born in his natural and base form.
@WyvernLP
Well, treat it like a Mutant.
A saiyan born without the ability to go Great Ape, but only because he mutated it into his base form
This is such an amazing What If. The story writing is wonderful and perfect.
Appreciate it, thanks for watching
I like the writing of ssj4 goku in this what if, he may be powerful and a savage warrior but still a humble person.
@@SaiyanMotion you this made my lunch break today I was stressed tf out and then I watched this
I love how goku just walked up the Frezza and just said trash and punches him across the planet
he was about that
What if I told you goku got that DOG in him
Bro about that life 😅
Freiza pov: a red monkey? *gets punched*
WTF WAS THAT *gets thrown. To ground*
D-damn MONKEAAAAHHH *gets annihilated*
@@netherlordgaming995so true
I love how Goku not being able to learn God Ki outright keeps the importance of the "base" Super Saiyan transformations, rather than have everyone forget about SSJ 3 and further in favor of god-stuff. It feels much more organic here - Vegeta and Raditz are behind Goku so taking the god-boost is an excellent choice, while Goku learns a path of his own. Him getting to SSJ5 is not cool just because SSJ5 (which is awesome in itself), but because only *he* will get that transformation, a true pinnacle.
SSJ5 is a fanform. I think you mean ssj4 limit breaker.
@@WyvernLP sdbh isnt canon either, its just another timeline, and ssj5 was created by toyotaro before he became an official. so i guess theyre both half canon
Fun fact: ssj4 allows the user to adapt to their opponents entirely, technique, moves, fighting style, and abilities. Kinda like broly this was shown in the fight with syn shenron and eis shenron. Depending on which grade of ssj4 the form allows to user to have some form of awareness, which their instinct kicks in which their body tells them whether they need to dodge an attack. So technically speaking have a fraction of broly’s adaptability, and omen Ui in a sense.
Gt Goku stated “it’s like my body is moving on it’s own”.
And to put icing on the cakes 🎂 their senses are heightened dramatically making not even have to rely on sensing ki to find the location of their opponents. Once he unlocked grade 3 in ssj4 in the shadow dragon saga
Facts: Actually the ssj4 form is 4million in terms of power/ multiplier.
The concept of ssj and ozaruu mixing is an understatement.
Ssj is actually used as an engine for the ozaruu which empowers the ozaruu to dramatical heights. It does this by amplifying the amount of wavelength with in the ozaruu. Also depends on which grade of ssj you have but theoretically speaking grade 4 is use for this example. In return ozaruu starts going berserk which do to the amount rage boosts its getting from ozaruu allows ssj to increase in power/ multiplier. In which the cycle continues on and on until the user usually regains consciousness and push the “engine to its limits”.
If not the their power will constantly increase to unstable heights until they destroys themselves in process.
Hence the ssj profecy told by Vegeta in the namek saga, we were shown that the person went ozaruu with ssj and destroyed himself and the planet.
So to simplify it golden ozaruu starting point is 500x-5,000x depending on the grade of ssj
The end point of golden ozaruu when the user regains consciousness and has push the engine to it limits, will have a multiplier of 400,000x
Now I’ll have to tell the you about ssj4 grades 1-4
Grade 1 ssj4 (4,000,000x) their user is put into their prime meaning that they are at peak performance and physique.
The zenkais are at a exponential rate, and literally has the raw strength of the ozaruu condense to humanoid form.
Grade 2 full power ssj4 (8,000,000) they get red outline around their body showing that they are in full power mode and literally unlocks 50% of the remainder of the forms power.
Grade 3 is ultra full power ssj4 (8,000,000x) the multiplier remains the same but the primal power is reverted back to their base form meaning just like god ki the 8,000,000x is now applied to their base.
As mentioned in the fun fact is now applied to their base form and they have ikari now meaning they don’t need to turn into a giant monkey due to them unlocking grade 3 ssj4.
Their sense are now heightened to a exponential degree. Meaning that they don’t have to sense ki to find their opponent they can just sense them from the other 5 senses instead to pinpoint where they are.
He unlock this form by using the remainder ssjs to give him his energy to by pass the grade system just like how he did with the battle of great ape baby vegeta.
Now it time for grade 4 which is theoretical but is probably gogeta ssj4 form with red hair. Which I called ascended ssj4 where their hair change to red just like their fur to (16,000,000x and continues to increase since it continuously breaks the users limits) understand that this form is capable of making a power aura that can defend the users from any attacks. As shown when fighting omega shenron. Their was literally no bounds when it came to that form for gogeta.
Ssj4 is another base form
Goddam, sjj4 is more op tghan I thorugh.
@@NassRLSS yeah man Gt series was giving and telling us hints that ssj4 is more than its cool design.
I don't remember any of this being in dbgt.
Man wrote an entire essay😂😂
@@dragonzragnorack824 I really did😂
I'm almost certain that the SSJ multiplier is pretty accurate. Grade two increases raw strength by 10X, that more likely just adds to the multiplier but it only affects raw strength. Masters SSJ would be as powerful as grade 2 but stamina would be no issue. If SSJ grade two were 500X then it would've obliterated cell the moment Vegeta made contact.
smart man the multiplier for grade 3 is more like 80x to 83x
Cell>Vegeta and Trunks, it's simple.
It's the ssj grade 3 that has a 500x multiplier (for only strength), not the ssj grade 2, there's a guide book about it
According to one source Super Saiyan Third Grade is weaker than Super Saiyan 2, (Trunks anime comics - "Super Saiyan" section) while according to another source, Super Saiyan Third Grade is 10x stronger than the previous form, (The Legendary Manga: "Trunks acquires a force 10 times greater, but his movement skills are more limited.") though slows the user substantially. This form draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits. (Daizenshuu 2, 1995)
@@Smollyeet That doesn't make sense though
SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1, so that means SSJ1 3rd grade is 1.9x or less SSJ1
Not saying you don't make sense, but the team behind DB doesn't
No, but that could imply that maybe just maybe SS2 is also a 1000x multiplier over base
i almost thought salad saiyan sponsered this video😭😭
Bro lmao
Same 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah
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Yep.
I always liked ssj4 since had whole sun wunkong vibe to it. I always had my own idea that he was born with ssj4 but it was more mutation ^^
goku's name is literally sun wukong so yeah, ot makes sense for him to have ssj4
I liked that Vegeta became more tactical in this series with learning all of the Yardrat techniques. Plus, Goku developed more as a character because of Vegeta, which was pretty cool. 👍 Also, oh boy, I never thought I would see SSJ5 in a series of yours, but then again, I said the same thing with Omni-SSJ White Form. 😆 Raditz is just best uncle for this series enough said, and happy that he has his own path of power like Goku & Vegeta does. 👍 I'm glad Gohan's path stayed the same roughly. A missed opportunity thought with Gohan possible getting SSJ4 transformation since his tail was never cut off, but it's fine, plus Beast Gohan with a Sliver Tail sounds pretty cool. 👍My favorite part was Grandpa Gohan, not dying because he got to be with Goku on his journey from Early Dragon Ball to him fighting with Goku, his new family (Gohan & Goten), and friends & students during the TOP. Finally, you definitely need to do more of these full remakes for your older series. Anyways overall another really good Full-Story, and looking forward to the next one soon.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan got Futuresight?
(He get it from a Kanassan that is a part of the Frieza Force while on Namek.)
I wasnt initially going to do SSJ5 but in the first version people asked me to do it and writing the TOP i was like screw it. I wanted it to be like gokus ultra instinct, like the peak power for this series
@Saiyan Motion Ah, I see. I'm fine with this idea since this idea is more fanfiction, really, so it's fine. 👍
@@SaiyanMotion i mean it would have became dragon ball af
Didn't Bardock get future sight from a punch? Thats specifically meant to show the one hit the future? Though he did get it after kakarot was born.
@@Chara_Dreemurr1 Nah, it was a chop to the neck.
when u were doing ur salad promo when u said sponsered by salad i thought u were talking about salad saiyan
xD
Curious on how Cell was able to regenerate without the use of piccolo's cells
Because cell is a constant so no matter what happens he'll always come from the timeline where he all of the z fighters genes
@@cloudripper4096 I forgot about that
It's in his name and cell also explains it in the cell saga he is a cell and cells have regenerative abilities of their on so technically even without piccolos ability he can still regenerate
Poor Nappa, getting killed in almost every scenario
I havent watched this Channel in a while and this series has made my day
welcome back man! Thanks for watching
Ngl, the way goki just kills Nappa doesn't sit right with me
True, It was Vegeta that talked down to him yet it was Nappa who payed the price.
Can you imagine? Getting killed off because of sheer proximity?
I mean goku would be way more cold hearted since his head would not be so damaged
@@ajkarimpumalilhe was raised by grandpa gohan and roshi so he wouldn’t be as kind as the goku from the actual dragon ball but he would still be kind.
18:00 not a plot hole, Raditz probably expected Goku to use the pod he came to earth on, it is visually identical to the pod Raditz comes on, and would likely be good enough to hold adult Goku given how much extra space we see kid Goku having when he is sent off.
Makes sense, and I'm glad you kept the power with Goku and not had Gohan get it too nor Goten, and the 3 going their own way to gain new power totally fits.
I feel that they should make the super saiyan 4 concept actually cannon (call it something different of course.)the ultimate god form of a saiyan, goku white fur for UI and Vegeta gets purple fur as god of destruction. And create a are where goku becomes a Kai counter part to vegeta causing them to always work together if ever threatened.
If cannon could name it based on oozaru kinda like. Gohan's beast form something like oozaru 2. since oozaru is cannon and golden oozaru isn't. so it would be oozarus second form and not the third. Instead of naming it super Saiyan 4
Would be really cool to see this form make a return. Know it will never happen, but a guy can dream.
And so can a girl ! I loove the design of SSJ4, it is immaculate, although imagine raising a buff child
10:44 Goku already blitzkrieged them in the original, this would just be cruel and unfair, even for them.
I haven't even watched the full video yet and I still know its gonna be fye 🔥, Also please do what if goku had frieza's potential.
I feel like there was so much left to be desired about Goku with this video
You don’t know how force spirit vision works it pulls apart things that were combined through fusion or merging
Vegeta also gathered energy with it during the manga. Read up on
YOOOO THAT SSJ5 SCENE WAS HYPE ASF
appreciate u brotha!
Agreed
So if Super Saiyan four is a 40,000 times multiplier Goku had a power level of 80,000 when he was born. Damn
I'm pretty sure it only did that to Goku because of the wish that made him small. It didn't change Vegeta as far as I know.
Idea: What if Gohan Unlocked Beast early, like at the Cell Saga instead of SSJ2?
i think that's already being made (last part i saw was 6)
@@handsomeharold4698 Thats Smugsticks take. Saiyan Motion can make his own take if he's able to.
it would kill him and he would have had to meet the elder kai earlier which would mean buu exsted earlier and everyone would have died
A old guide book said that SSJ4 is a state of constant evolution.
Excellent as always, Saiyan Motion.
Also, when did you include SSJ5?
The form itself was Toyotoro's fictional creation when he was Toyble, and the multiplier of the form is unclear.
Do you have the idea how powerful it is?
Good remake though.
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in the first version of this series people kept telling me to put it in some how and this time I was like screw it. I found a good way to do it and I wanted it to be like ultra instinct where it would be gokus peak form for the series.
1 Quatttuor-decillion
Read my comment explaining how
This is gonna be fire, also you should do what if goku had gohan potential.
Thanks for watching and i'll look into it
@@SaiyanMotion without increasing gohans potential
Vegeta turning super saiyan was like how he did in TFS "I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA"
Alright so, this is a great series, but I see something that got overlooked. Something that everyone's done when creating this what if: S Cells. Yes, Gohan wouldn't have SSJ4, BUT it should be pretty clear that Goku's S Cell count would be much higher than in canon. Gohan should have just as little or less difficulty than Goten in canon in regards to becoming a SSJ. Due to how this story went down, I still don't think he'd unlock it before Raditz or Vegeta, but upon the early training, SSJ being easy to him should be noted.
i cant disagree with that tbh. I just didnt explicitly say it.
@@SaiyanMotion To be fair, I don’t think much of the story changes. Gohan probably would have lost in RoF regardless without his early years of training. Only thing I was surprised to not see is someone else unlocking SSJ4 eventually
i think it would be cool if he was able to layer forms top of ssj4 as if ssj4 is his base form or his normal saiyan form
after 3000 years yamcha got what he needs
5:35 So we get respectful young man Goku, not happy-go-lucky innocent goofball Goku. Aw, I like happy-go-lucky innocent goofball Goku... oh well, this just means he won't end up as bumbling buffoon Goku much later on...
This was the first what if I watched on your channel.So happy to see you doing a remake of this legendary what if.Subscirbe because he made my fave transformation SSJ4
Thanks for watching
This is a really interesting story and despite everything I was surprised that Bulma wasn't captivated by Goku wild yet badass SSJ4 looks.
RIP Slick Goku
rip
Radiz probably planned to use the pod that was used to send Goku to earth. Wouldn't the Saiyans assume that kakarot was a super Saiyan when he was born in that form. Especially Prince Vegeta.
The inclusion of old school ssj5 is very interesting
The multiplier makes me giddy as it's the same multiplier level for SSJ4 me and a couple of others held a couple of years back.
ssj4 goku is not a non-canon form is just in a alternate reality
Alternate reality that doesn’t exist in the dragon ball canon. It isn’t canon even though we’d like it to be
@@SaiyanMotion cannon is contextual to the storyline you’re talking about. Things happened in the DBS manga that didn’t in the anime and visa-versa, that doesn’t make either one “non-cannon”. They’re simply cannon to their respective storyline.
Just like GT is it’s own storyline IN the dragon ball franchise.
@@sbro17 GT wasn't written by the creator of the series. Both the manga and anime have differences but they're most common trait is what testifies to them both being canon, Toriyama wrote it.
@@SaiyanMotion Toriyama still oversaw the production of GT, it wasn’t like it had nothing to do with him.
Really appreciate your good grammer, normally when i find dragon ball what ifs the persons grammer is all over the place, but your very easy to understand so im very thankful for that 🙏
Finished the what if.
Gotta say your writing and story telling is amazing.
You rightfully earned a new subscriber, and i hope to see you blow up even further!
Ayee I really appreciate it man! Thank you so much, i've finally started uploading consistently again and I plan to do so for the whole year and onward. So reading back through old comments is def giving me great motivation!
@@SaiyanMotion I'm glad I could give some motivation, I'm excited to see what stories you come up with and how you tell them.
I also recently saved your Ikari goku video in my watch later, so I'm gonna watch that in my free time.
Best of luck to you!
@@DontWorryIamTheStrongest
When you said salad for the advertisement I thought you were gonna say Salad Saiyan
OMG thank you so much i have lessened to horehounds of db what ifs and this is by far the best!!!
thank you!
Would be interesting if they explained Kakarot as a Saiyan who was a mutant, a mutated saiyan who was born with the Oozaru form/strength in base, and so couldn't transform into a Great Ape later in life.
(Kinda like how Broly could utilize Oozaru power in base, and so didn't need to transform. Kinda wish Paragus didn't cut his tail off but, we all know we can't have any saiyans with tails to animate for too long, eh? 😮💨)
Why we don't need another mutant Saiyan broly is fine
Gine got some carpet burn down there lol
She was never the same afterwards
I wish goku would’ve been able to learn how to get out of ssj4 and do everything he did in super and z and much much more so please make another similar to this but he’s able to get out of 4 eventually
Legit when he said salad i thought he got sponsored by salad saiyan😂😂😂😂
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A timeline where Yamcha is more relevant and Raditz survives? Yes please! ^.^
Re: Raditz's pod:
Presumably, Raditz's idea was to find Goku's pod and use that to get Goku back to the other saiyans.
Fun fact ssj 4 is actuly 400k to 4 million times boost and thus is a op ass transformation even to god it only loses to blue in grade 1
Maybe it could be caused by being born with a blood moon. Or some space anomaly enhancing Blutz Waves in the area to cause that to happen.
Wasn't Blutz Waves part of a ssj4 explanation in DragonBall Xenoverse?
25:10 Bro defeated King Cold with a strategy more intense than a Professional Chess Game.
Finally another good what if UA-camr to watch
2:09 i though he meant the UA-camr Salad sayin
Same
7:17 Now I see why they killed off Gohan before the series even started, he's just a skip all confrontations free card!
What if Goku, gohan, goten, and pan were born a ssj4
Loved this. Ssj4 is my all time favorite 😍
When you said salad sponsored this... I was expecting saladsaiyan to just pop up like: I gave him money because it's a nice deed.
i thought I was the only one 😂
You have some of the best what ifs ever🎉🎉
appreciate it!
Goku would likely not think of the ki shield thing as it was Gohan in super that gave him the ideal.
FINALLY GT GETS THE RESPECT IT NEEDS!
My personal favorite is ssj2, it was an evolution to an iconic transformation when it wasn't over done (LOOKING AT YOU SSJ3). And the android saga was peak dragon ball
This is actually a interesting what if gokus quite over powered though I won't lie
if his birth power level starts at 2 and SSJ4 is a x40,000 multiplier it would mean that he's born with a power level of 80,000 and you can't convince me frieza wouldn't have noticed and have him personally executed before he wiped all the other saiyans
A what if suggestion
What if goku was a ki dragon slayer and for God ki a ki God slayer there is magic in dragon ball so yeah and there's dragons and wish dragons to get ki god slayer magic
There from fairy tail btw
This was a great story
Just looking at the title and thumnail, first thing that comes to mind is Slick goku.
i thought hes gonna say salad saiyan
Great story and thank you.
Hold up didn't you already do this? btw that vid was fire
Long time ago yes but this is a full remake
Oh ok I’m exited to see this new version
4:43 so his birth power would be 80,000 total since his base as an infant was 2. That’s insane.
Tbh he deserves atleast 548k subs like he's work is amazing
Didn’t expect SS5 lol damn my boy was unchallenged until the gods, wished he would’ve fought kid buu
THIS IS SO PEAK BRO 🔥
Appreciate the love!
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Next up: "what if goku was born with a plunger for a leg?" or "What if goku was the wish granting dragon?"
You know when u said salad was sponsoring,for a split second i thought salad saiyan was sponsoring you😅😂
goku falls headfirst into a ravine
the ravine gets amnesia
I think raditz assumed gokus would be intact since it did work until piccolo blew it up because of it projecting a artificial moon
when he was talking about salad sponsoring the vid I thought he meant the youtuber salad saiyan
Here is a unique suggestion for a what if, what if, instead of being born as a legendary super saiyan, what if Broly was born a super saiyan god?
grade 4 ssj is a 50x multiplier, the reason its so strong is because the method of training and the extreme difficulty in training while in ssj, that is the widely accepted point
This story would be damn short King Vegeta would've order the Kill order immediately. But dang you let out a good part saying that him be born as a SSJ4 scared the hell out of Broly and made all the baby saiyans in the incubators to cry and shit.
Gine absolutely getting destroyed giving birth is wild
I thought this was going to be another unhinged schizophrenic what if but it was actually coherent 👍
I felt bad for Nappa. Vegeta bad mouthed Goku and Nappa was killed for it 🤣
U honestly didn’t need to kill off nappa the way u did. He could’ve done much more in this story and deserves better. He didn’t need to be killed.
That ad had me thinking @saladsaiyan sponsored something on your channel 😂
lmao
Fun Facts About Me:
1. I Was Raised On Planet Yardrat
2. I've Mastered All Of The Yardratian's Techniques From Instant Transmission, Cloning, Healing, Gigantification, Forced Spirit Fission, And Most Importantly Spirit Control.
But can you beat goku?
@@bamboozledpotat Good Question?
Thanks for video I now know what I was supposed to thank you
Fun fact: 0:11 ssj4 is the cannon one as dbz hints to GTS first episode and toryiama conformed it. Even if there’s no manga.
My new head canon ssj=50×
Assj=65×
Ussj=100-500×
Mssj=50-51×
Ssj2=100×
Ssj3=400×
Ssj4=4k
All other forms same old headcanon 18:31
Cool... 9:25
@@KisanetSami ehhh thanks
yay new video
Also in cannon they can stack forms its just super draining so ssj4 and lssj1 would be super op as infinite addaping with 4 million times strangth minnimum
Thinking about how Bardock sends off goku all the time made me think of an interesting what if
“What if Bardock was a coward” in this what if Bardock and Gine would’ve stolen 3 ships and in a cowardly move Bardock sent goku to raditz to distract frieza while he and Gine escaped so he and Gine would be on earth while goku would go to his brother and tell the saiyans what happened, goku being enraged would train hard every day waiting for the day he can get revenge on his parents, on the other hand Bardock and Gine would go through a struggle in their relationship since Bardock did such a terrible thing but over the course of dragon ball Bardock would become more mature and they would make up
Those multipliers made me CACKLE😂😂😂