Salient's Henry Broadbent on the Cancelled Victoria University Free Speech Debate
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Michael Laws talks to Salient's Henry Broadbent about the cancelled Victoria University free speech debate.
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there is no such thing as hate speech....only people who hate free speech.
Well said.
Do you think this guy actually believes what he says?
He has absolutely no clue about the right to free speech or any real awareness what the Free Speech Union stands for.
@@JohanThiart He is just a product of University Marxist mind control. A walking talking NPC meme. Completely incapable of critical thinking. I think he does beLIEve what he it says yet fails to see how incredibly absurd his thinking is. "Those who can be made to believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities." ~ Voltaire
What a right tosser get an education mate
The lefts reply is if you have a counter view You are a Racist.
Maybe the problem is the discrimination, human rights and racism laws aren't being exercised and now people are trying to find another avenue to stop what they believe is unlawful.
In my opinion… the use of the term ‘ Boomer’ and ‘ middle aged cis white men ‘ , used by some MP’s in the Green Party, is in fact , hate speech. Age discrimination, racist, sexist.
Under the UNs description hate speck it probably is ...
Yes but leftist are moral supremacist who think thier shit don't stink
Well, I'm a Boomer and we never labelled people or even thought about using terms such as racist or sexist..etc..because we never thought like that.. it's only young left wing liberals that think like that
@@mareeauld5778You mean Young Marxist Radicals; Regards Dave McC
@mareeauld5778 lol what? You lot were the ones who allowed the "protected classes" to become a thing.
This interview makes me want to donate even more to The Free Speech Union
What is wrong with white people meeting to discuss white people issues. Maori meet regularly to discuss Maori issues, Chinese meet regularly to discuss Chinese issues, LGBTQ meet regularly to discuss LGBTQ issues. What is wrong with men meeting to discuss men issues, what is wrong with women meeting to discuss women issues. Bizzare world these days.
Exactly, it's an all out attack on Pakeha
@@StGammon77 It's so much bigger than little NZ. Anti-white racism is global and being driven by governments. The big game is on.
That’s actually a good point I’ve never thought of before. Different racial groups do have get together to discuss issues affecting them & good on them .
I’m not really a ‘KKK’ type of guy & white people issues that come to mind are things like housing affordability, cost of food etc , but they’re just people issues.
I firmly believe that no person should be discriminated against because of race or on the flip side get special privileges
My god. Labour government really has done a lot of damage. Every day is a eye opener.
You don't know the half of it. Three years have been spent destroying the whole country not only by race but by gender. There were thousands employed to change our country. Labour is playing the LONG game. They think so much had been done that the new Govt will never put it back to how it was.
He mentioned the source, its the UN.
Which is what? Anything tangible in your vague comment?@@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig
Huge damage! Completely spiralled out of control the last 6 years
@@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig so what is the mindset you're talking about.
Wow.... so it's only free speech when it suits the university, and if they dont agree its hate speech... posy parker should have been allowed to talk. We take free speech seriously 😂😂
So, what ever happened to critical thinking in our universities?
Communism, lead by administrators and lecturers.
There is no critical thought. People feel threatened to think_ I wonder what is being thought an uni these days. This is beyond a joke.
A recent survey showed 50% of academics are too afraid to speak their mind, especially about Treaty bashing
It died the day the left started the woke brainwashing of universities.
if students were required to think critically, many would not pass their assessments and fail. This would lead to a drop in enrolment as it would turn a lot of people away and the universities would go broke... There's your answer.
Who does he think he is denying my right to hear another point of view.Who cares about the UN we can come to our own conclusions. Makes my blood boil
Definition of irony. University cancels debate on free speech
What astounds me is that a university can’t see that
Cancel culture- and the tax dollars I pay go towards educating or is it brainwashing these universities students
Dear me Henry is throwing away his freedom and building a wall...without even realizing it! 🤷♂️
Oh he knows what he's doing.
@@questor55 ignorance is forgivable...
Treachery is not!
Those that hold and harbor controversial and hate speeches do not deserve a platform to spew their filth.
Henry has his work cut out for him trying to shut all of us up who think that women should be ‘allowed’ to speak in public! Does he really think he’s going to succeed in trying to turn the clock back 150 years for women? His claim about the guns is completely false - he probably heard a transactivist say it, Kelly-Jay never has.
Time to give up on Universities as places for forums for sentient beings.
This kid is an embarrassment to past Salient staff
I think the selection criteria changed.
Im loving the bloody irony, well we were going to have a discussion over free speech but we decided it was too dangerous so we had a secret meeting with the establishment and determined that you can't have it.
if they do not want to hear Jonathan speak they can not turn up, that is their right. That is their choice. If people want to hear him they can go. Banning him is something else altogether. None of what you said make any sense Henry, grow up mate, you come across as very young, more like a 16-17 year old. You have proved none of your arguements. Victoria is plummeting through the world rankings of universities because of the thinking it promotes and develops. It has become a hub of faulty thinking, and presents itself in pretty embarassing way.
actually Henry you need a few people with different, unpopular views to make a discussion interesting, he should be encouraged to come, make it fun
read Graham's book, it is very interesting, and he has not threatened to kill anyone, he is a middle aged comedy writer for god's sake mate, a self proclaimed whimp.
great idea to get Jonathan and Henry together, that is the only progress made
Going the same way as Harvard
I found this discussion very sad… to realise how poorly a young academic understands the importance of allowing a challenge of ideas. I have never heard Johnathon Ayling be anything but respectful and articulate. If there is a focus on transgender issues and co-governance it is because these are topical issues where many people see their rights being degraded and so discussion is required so as to arrive at an acceptable compromise that benefits the whole. Unfortunately some of us ie biological women have lost rights in favour of a minority in language and in spaces so why wouldn’t we want to talk about this.
Agree
Lad needs to learn to read a dictionary and find the real definition of hate also check out sanity while he's there. Woke mind virus can cause all kinds of issues.
He asked a lot of people about Jonathan. Never thought to ask Jonathan about Jonathan. Typical projection which I think is, completely, intellectually, dishonest.
Very dangerous when you are sure you're good and your side is the only way to go...
Wow. We are in big trouble if this is the next generations way of reasoning. Very disturbing.
His logic is completely flawed because it's based on fallacy and misinformation, exactly what he's accusing others of.
Good on the bloke for fronting up to put his point across, even though his argument was typical and weak. So much irony however...
Mummy's boy
He can not debate common sense.
Sad state of unis.
Henry - you have defamed Johnathan - but that's OK for you bc you are so sure you can characterise him bc you are such a virtuous person.
It’s not that Jonathan is overwhelmingly interested in supporting certain views, it’s because these issues are the ones that Broadbent et al are attempting to cancel.
Henry needs to grow up and learn the meaning of democracy and free speech. Our universities are in bad shape.
A different opinion does not make something hate speech, and anyone who believes that, clearly does not believe in free speech, and it would be more helpful if they were just honest with themselves about that.
It's just so tragic that a University where not so long ago opposing ideas could be debated and people could agree to disagree, that we have come to this.
Supporting someones right to speak, is NOT the same as supporting that persons narrative.
I am staggered. If NZ is to advance as a society we need universities to be able to debate new and diverse ideas, concepts and theories freely. Would Galileo be welcome on our campuses? I fear not because he would make the “flat earthers” uncomfortable. The very nature of learning requires the evaluation of ideas that challenge our current thinking.
My thoughts? Defund universities that take an anti-intellectual stance and let market forces determine their future.
💯, that might have an effect
It's not hate speech. It's just speech that they hate.
Relentless focus on the perception of safety produces a population of adults who can't cope with risk.
Fear of risk leads to greater acceptance of control in return for a promise of safety.
Control measures give rise to concentrated power.
Concentrated power trends to tyranny.
I said "hate speech" so that is checkmate.... Don't you understand the game?
Do we really need to explain free speech to a sub editor of a paper (even if it's only a student paper).!? The reason they de-platformed Jonathan Ayling is they have no sensible argument to make ,so let stop having the conversation in the first place. When did going to university to become stupider start because it should stop now.
Amazing. Any hate was directed by lbgt types at posie not the other way around including the violence. Where does posie state she called for men to shoot ?. The guy's arguments were pretty piss poor. I didn't hear anything specific only what others have said which is here say. The fact anyone can make up their mind with evidence based on nothing but projection & hurt feelings is ridiculous. This is what happens when uni's let students run the place instead of being used for what they were originally intended for i.e robust discussion from opposing sides. Without this, uni's seize to be of any use
University's are now full of brainwashed idiots for the most part. If humans keep allowing stupidity to rule society we'll be back living in the stone age in no time at all.
If government cancels Free Speech meetings in Brussels, we can't expect anything better here
at least they had an outcry there
henry needs an education
He might just be in the wrong place.
Posie parker❤❤❤
We take free speech seriously..... Sure what bs
So what if they are concerned about Māori or Trans? These are contemporary issues that need to be discussed. So your solution is to close that down. So we can't discuss Māori and Trans? To be honest - They NEED to be DISCUSSED. Who made you King to decree acceptable and unacceptable? And you obviously support some people to speak but not others. As well, you can make your "inferences" through "Your Lens" and I would make different "inferences" through "My Lens".
Well done Mr Laws....!
Posey Parjker never said take guns and shoot people. This a blatant lie.
Could it be that the reason Henry Broadbent perceives the Free Speech Union as overwhelmingly consistently challenging certain groups is that those certain groups are the ones infringing the rights of others and deplatforming them? He can’t see that those certain groups are aggressively shutting down the ability of others to talk about and challenge their views
Batchelor is connected to the Free Speech Union! How?
The guy being interviewed would have made a great inquisitor at the Salem witch trials
Henry has shinier jackboots than those neo Nazis Melbourne.
Seems like Mr Broadbent might have run off the rails at the potty training stage?
Hate speech against queer people ?, who would have thought, and anti co governance ?, a very strange stance to take on Henry's part, not open to debate is he, or well informed.
Those who know their ideas cannot bear scrutiny are the most vociferous opponents of free speech.
Above all else, this is a sad indictment of our education system. Pathetic.
It actually had 600 booked to attend, which is about as big as it gets for a university in NZ.
Salient Editor Aligns with Blasphemy Laws... anything that offends doctrine, sensibilities, preferences, and the due interpretation of holy writ. The right not to be offended, outraged, discomforted, or otherwise disturbed in the collective pursuit of sanctimony shall not be infringed.
Salient Editor Keen on Guilt by Association Too... heard about a guy who was a bit like another guy and who supported a woman who apparently said some things that oppose holy writ, so basically guilty too. Of blasphemy. Collective origins, collective punishments. "We can learn a lot from Islamic theocracies regarding the threats of blasphemy to our fragile society", someone apparently said he said and I have no reason not to believe them.
All aboard the purity train, next stop: the Middle Ages!
jfc
SMH , can’t seem to see the forest for the trees
Dont they allow intelligent people in university any more
Great advertorial for the free speech union... god help our future
As soon as Henry has a mortgage and a few other real world responsibilities he'll probably quietly morph into a slightly more conservative frame of mind and will want to be heard when the next crop of fanatics want to take what he has. Hopefully. Otherwise, onward and upward with "you'll own nothing and be happy".
“Ah urrru ah ahh eha.” Henry made complete sense to me.
Michael I much like your interviewing style. Thank you for letting people reveal themselves while still holding them to account, when they talk crap.
To be fully alive involves some risk - and this applies to liberal democracies especially. “We take freedom of speech very seriously” seems to be a sort of neutralising agent that gets sprayed around to sort of disinfect arbitrary denials of that very thing. Last time I looked universities were places of critical thinking and the pursuit of knowledge and ideas. It’s hard not to think cancelling speeches on campus are more of asserting a political point of view prevailing than any real threat to civic order through hate speech. That to want to talk about the concept of co-governance is a heresy if you are opposed to - which then can be morphed into a prohibition on the subject because it’s ’hate speech’.
Seems what’s lacking on campuses these days is the courage to offend, that delicate sensibilities trump a frank exchange of opposing ideas.
Maybe they shouldn’t be called universities anymore - just clubs for kindred thinkers. All opposition need not apply.
Henry ,along with many on the same curve , call any speech or viewpoint that doesn't aline with their aggendas or beliefs , hate speech .
They need to grow up !!
There's no such thing as "hate speech". Hate is subjective.
If you think people have bad ideas, let them speak and out themselves - then push back. You have to risk being offended in order to learn.
Imo they seem to be confusing 'hate' speech i.e speech they don't like with incitement.
Yes true.
Blood pressure rising...
Why because your tax dollars ferment this nonsense?
This isn't even guilt by association, which is bad in itself. FSU covers free speech broadly, not on particular topics.
What are the students scared of
Hearing some truths
Your guest Michael, is making an inference that Mr Bachelor doesn't have a right to a peaceful protest along with many other NZers to go against a policy that will effect many people.
Yes it is a tragedy of a university.
So we have a member of the DDR Stasi in University in New Zealand. I only what to hear my point of view not your point of someone else point of view.
Henry and his friends can't sense the difference between hate speech and speech they hate. Fortunately their suppression of others only weakens their own misguided ambitions for society. Jonathan Ayling is impeccably well reasoned and Henry would do well to actually listen to what he has to say it, and how he says it. Then even if he disagrees, at least he learns the strengths of his enemy.
God, these so called academics can't even articulate a sentence most of the time.
It's so exhausting and frustrating listening to them. In the end they've actually said nothing.
Why don't they learn to do something useful.
600 people are registered to attend the free speech forum at Vic University.
Augers well for future captains of industry and world leaders. My father always said to listen to fools and you will learn something
I have just heard Sean Plunkett destroy Marcail Parkinson, the student president, in an earlier interview. She didn't even put up a fight with just unintelligible waffle, this guy was marginally better, which isn't saying much, but both seem to have a problem with Johnathon Ayling for some reason. It's bizarre.
He had a problem with logic.
Defund all the universities except STEM subjects
Vic is just a glorified Polytechnic spread over Wellington’s dysfunctional topographical landscape! As an Otago Grad you could identify VIC Grad as they were likely to be still living with Mummy and Daddy! They thought they were so clever with their LLB.
Have a look at Rowan Atkinson addressing the Reform Section 5 issue a few months ago. Very salient words indeed concerning hate speech...enjoy.
Incredible that both Broadbent and Marcail Parkinson (VUWSA president) allege that Ayling must be deplatformed because of things that Julian Bachelor may or may not have done or said. This appears to be an agreed talking point. Are we to understand that Salient, VUWSA and Victoria Uni are all of the opinion that guilt by association is a valid position rather than deeply fallacious?
Broadbent himself points out the very irony of shutting down a free speech debate on the grounds that Ayling/FSU defend the free speech of third parties, which would undoubtedly have been a main topic of the debate given representing third parties is exactly what unions do.
Both he and Marcail Parkinson then proceeded to have that exact same debate on public broadcasts as these are not moderated under the university regulations they are seeking to invoke. Was this a deliberate act in order to avoid having to adhere to the very policy they are demanding others comply with?
I also find his characterization of FSU being "overwhelmingly focused on co-governance" as somehow being a negative to be patently absurd. When a nation is exploring a massive overhaul of how its government is formed, EVERYONE should be paying a lot of attention.
Free speech in NZ ? 😂😂
Free speech yes... you need to know what people think, even if it's hateful, so what, at least you know that's their opinion and mindset! Opinions are like...... you all know how that comment goes!
Henry is saying Johnathon Ayling has too narrow a focus? This from the guy that fronts the "this emotion I am feeling this week is the only important thing in the whole world". OK. Oh to be young and not have to think beyond a day even if I am at university. Especially if I am at university. I wonder what his degree is.
OUTRAGE 😅
Bring back RAM magazine
This kid is why Universities are failing.
I thought university was to teach people think outside the box, this lad needs to listen to everyone else,sounds like a small minded person
A Notion with No idea?😢
If you use the UN definition of hate speech he should be more careful when say anything about Johnathan, I could argue under the un description what was said in the interview might cross the line ...
United Nations has no relevant contribution to make to society. It has morphed into a hate organisation themselves, targeting jews and Israel. This boy is trying to defend the indefensible.
Anyway you guys can zoom out. 🥴
Not professional to bring henries mum into the discussion imo.
Hey New Zealand Please Help Decriminalise Cannabis
Get a new hobby.
The dudes Racist
He takes his free speech and people who think like him free speech seriously. Everyone else to bad.