Toby Young | We Should NOT Support No Platforming (4/8) | Oxford Union
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The Motion: This House Supports No Platforming.
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May I ask what's with the bell ringing?
Thank you so much for sharing this debate, which is on arguably the most important issue this country faces. So much about our future depends upon the ability to examine every point of view so that informed decisions can be made. I haven't seen the outcome yet but i hope it was in favour of free speech.
trf12567 it was rude & distracting. And he received incredibly amount of dings to such a degree as to be detracting. A pity.
cliff owens is that a joke or a test to see if we'll object to your use of #freespeech?
Irony of using free-speech to ban free-speech. What is the alternative. banning the symptoms does not cure the disease. Hate groups will hate without question. Hate groups will thrive and grow in secret. Many terrible hate crimes will occur, for the wolves will dress as sheep.
The smug faces from those who support no platforming says it all, clueless.......
The older guy, front/left, looks like he's on the toilet - squeezing a biggun'
Snotty, bitchy faces. Gawd, they're insufferable.
Brainwashed by the left !
Abuse in childhood does that to people, it makes them numb. They think they have all the answers. It's really sad that their parents didn't encourage their imaginations as children.
The Pendulum swing's, and some of the left will be denied speech. Even though, the left have no functional brains, I'd argue for their right to speak.
@@samanthamcphie9520 overindulgence makes them immune to others, and fosters an unearned confidence. also, a lot more people are without siblings, which also contributes to an overblown sense of importance.
it's a lot of things, but all of them add up to stupid.
i can't believe this is an issue -- but at least there's a debate. in the US, they just flat-out censor, especially at universities.
People who agree with no platforming show their insecurity in their own beliefs.
They also show how hitlerian they are.
and the lack of confidence in people's ability to make up their mind on the basis of facts .. (most probably because the arguments to push further on the left side today are so increddibly weak .. [since we are too far left today] .. same but switched sides when conservative was the mainstream and the left was fighting for free speech .. THEN .. their arguments where far better than those of the censorious conservative side)
and the lack of confidence in people's ability to make up their mind on the basis of facts .. (most probably because the arguments to push further on the left side today are so increddibly weak .. [since we are too far left today] .. same but switched sides when conservative was the mainstream and the left was fighting for free speech .. THEN .. their arguments where far better than those of the censorious conservative side)
And do they fidget
No platforming: a strategy of declining a fight and then declaring oneself the victor.
Nailed it! :D
No platforming = anything the left dont agree with.
Yes, currently. but power can shift as Young pointed out correctly. Free speech = free speech and progress.
Cultural Marxist = Anything the right don't agree with
Basically what this is all about. Us vs them, regardless if they say something that resonates with me. It's about winning and what I want.
Ironic....they tend to call themselves "anti-fascists" while doing the very first tenet of fascism....
@@NathanAFolefac How is calling you a "cultural marxist" comparable to denying your freedom of speech?
The left have become intellectually enfeebled by becoming the establishment they used to protest. Swings and roundabouts.
Shows how far down the toilet we've gone even debating this BS
Majority of people vomit at all this bull problem is the minority are in control of everything... We are in a minority rule..
Down into the Stygian Quagmire of inarticulate darkness!
Toby you just won the debate on your own.
Merely hearing will cause harm. So ridiculous.
I don’t like the use of Merely, it’s very upsetting to me. I’m damaged and don’t know if I’ll ever recover.
There is some truth to it though. I feel like I lose a couple IQ-points, when I listen to the pro de-platforming side. That must be considered harm?
@@stormyskyz4251 You're a snowflake...
@@Locutus the person is cracking a tongue in cheek joke
The smug look of the naive anti-platformers cos they think they’re in the right is so obnoxious
Spencer could be the weak smiles of those realizing their position is being shredded
This a debate about who should or should not be allowed to participate in a debate - WTF!!!???
I wonder why the BBC don't extend the same invitation to Tommy as they did Nick Griffin, maybe because they know the result will be rather different if they do.
Furry Nobber Exactly!
Good point.
Voltaire said that "I may disagree with you but I'll fight to the death your right to say it." however Oscar Wild said I may disagree with you but I'll fight to the death your right to make an ass of ourself.
Somerset News Network - good one!
Stealing this. It's brilliant
Voltaire did not say that.
Free speech died with the second jailing of Tommy Robinson.
Exactly! Old Bailey might as well be a Sharia Court now. The journalists outside from the BBC harassed him like crazy, while he asked a few guys about their sentence and was jailed. I guess they are allowed to do what the court charged him with doing. Makes zero sense. Those who don't like TR who support this must also support that they are okay with a citizen journalist being put in prison for NOT breaking the law, only because they oppose his views. I wouldn't support jailing someone I don't like if they broke no laws. It's insane. The majority of people don't support this censorship garbage. You can look at the likes/dislikes on these views and can easily see those who are pro-free speech have majority likes, while those who support de-platforming have a huge percentage of dislikes.
On the contrary. No man is above the law, including Tommy Robinson. The rule of law is the bastion on which this country stands. Without that, we have nothing. The jailing of Tommy Robinson is a victory for England.
importantjohn what law a law that will sentence you to solitary for upsetting rapists feelings by asking them how you feel about the verdict. It’s insane. When they come for you maybe then you will understand.
@@Essemm52 The courts have been very patient with Tommy. He has a long list of criminal convictions for fraud, assault and among others. We can not keep turning a blind eye because he has an internet sensation for the far right. Tommy needs to stop playing the victim and man up.
@@larrydawson2580 In this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty. Steven was filming and accusing people who had yet to be found guilty, so he could increase his youtube channel views and income. He will be punished for undermining our legal system. We have had enough.
Not a fan of the various personalities speaking but I was pleased to read the "This House Supports No Platforming" Motion was defeated.
Wow, those were some strong arguments delivered powerfully. Well done, Toby.
The IQ points are clearly on the side of the opposition.
We need to be turned into resilient people, not eggshell heads!
I’ve joined the Freedom of Speech Union to fight for true Democracy. I want to uphold what our forefathers fought for. Our brilliant Universities were built as halls of learning & debate. We must never let that be compromised by the small minded few.
Excellent logic and speech Mr Young. I really enjoyed listening to you, thank you.
I am in support of de-platforming only in the case of those in favor of de-platforming... oops. Well, didn't I just make the case for NO de-platforming? If you are in favor of de-platforming, you put your own opinion at risk; therefore you must be against de-platforming.
I shouldn't have tried, now I'm dizzy.
Anyone supporting no platforming should be no platformed! Hey! Wait, no, not me....
Nothing else to say other than "well said"!
The smirking on the faces of the left show they are not taking this seriously. They enjoy the drama.
Nailed it 👌🏻✌🏻
Free tommy robinson
I don't like what happens to people who report real news
Wow. UK. Just wow.
What is with the mythology surrounding Steve Bannon as some kind of ultimate bogeyman? As near as I can tell, it is mostly based on pure slander, and he is a moderate immigration restrictionist and economic protectionist through entirely democratic means.
left bench looks German
An extremely good speech,,parsimonious with words,,but conveys lots,👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Excellent speech.
Toby is a one-man demolition squad in debates. One of the most logical and effective thinkers/communicators around and that is why he is so often eskewed.
@@deepzepp4176 wow that's a really well laid out and well formed argument
@@streglof Thanks. So you agree with me?
streglof 👌🏼😂
Nick Griffin on Question Time was simply denied the opportunity to articulate his views because he was derided, shouted down and constantly interrupted.
Bloody hell thought it was graham from the kyle show hahahahaha
Was on the fence about Toby Young, no longer, I like him.
Excellent! Here, here! Perfectly on point.
Perfect presentation in light of the subject that will give positivity to all debates despite polar opposite positions in a public platform.
Absolute poetry.
Toby Young is amazing best speech by far
3:19 look at the level of smug, intransigent, echo-chambered lefties smirking at each for support on that bench. It's actually making me cringe.
EDIT: Infact the more I watch, it's all they seem to do.... look at each other for nods and smiles of support
imagine being in that bunch and realizing how wrong they are. it would be dangerous to admit it. and it would ironically and beautifully reveal the lie they are supporting.
Only the Media, Polititions have a platform. No one else.
Free speech for all the Mitchell family.. Especially Phil.
Look how that model is grinning when that guy is talking of the importance of defending the right to free speech. Simply disgusting.
Harry Hill has some good points. 🤓
I mean nope but 😂😂😂
Man, doesn't he make you see how, in general, the Right, in so much of its moral fabric is far more in li e with what is good, right, and true? It is clear and getting clearer everyday. Principles of what is good longterm for all is the primary foundation of what the Right stands for. The Left always asks me why I would vote against my own self interest, being lower middle class, and I am embarrassed for them for asking. And kindly and genuinely tell them why. Because it is what is right. Morally, ethically, and fairly.
perfect in every way!
It's not insignificant that the people supporting No Platforming are much younger than the opposition. There's wisdom in learning to allow people to disagree that the naive energy of youth doesn't appreciate.
Please can the Oxford university grow up, they were slammed by the people speaking up against the lefties 🤗
Hear! Hear!
Wow, this man hit the last nail in the coffin against his opponents.
Helicopter parenting requires a no platform adulthood.
Participation awards makes one unfit for life.
Toby just argued for no platforming!
Against free speech?!
Let's see what happens if we gag those who believe in gagging others.
Instant karma and enlightenment.
And yet, police in Britain are jailing people for offensive tweets.
Good speech, just like I'd expect
Very good job
Great speech
The knobhewds that no platform anyone might one day think they would like to stand for parliament. That's when they will discover that their past actions will come back to haunt them. Then it will be them that become the no platformed. Richly deserved.
100% agree with the first 3 and a half minutes
EDIT: very good arguments, till now the by far most convincing speaker
Indeed...
Wow Toby. Very good argument
What's the bell/ding - how bloody childish
Don't the people who want no platforms think they will be No PIATFORMED as well
Great speech Toby.
Toby Young is an excellent speaker with very good arguments.
Toby Young thank you.
Human Rights are violated.
That Question Time episode didn't really scrutinize Nick Griffin -- it just shouted him down and shamed him. I became much more open-minded towards the Right as a result.
Excellent argument for platforming
I don't know, rabble rousers have stirred up anger and hatred, which had led to people being injured and killed. However, speakers using reasoned arguments in civilized settings like university auditoriums should not be de-platformed, imho.
simply walk from the street corner, over to the public square, and talk up a storm
It's a skill to remain impartial and respect the right of others to their viewpoint. I want to hear all the viewpoints so I can decide for myself what makes sense an what is true. Imagine if our conversations were as invigorating as this. No platforming would take us further down the path of hive mind. We currently have no Bill of Rights in Australia protecting free speech.
the US -- especially universities -- have been censoring people for a long time, at least 2 decades.
This man is hitting the nail on the head. To sum up in short what he is saying. I'll say this way.
"self control" .............
The lack of self control triggers people. Having no self control causes she'll shock and shallow minded people to come unglued because they have lived a sheltered lives without real harm and they have no idea the consequences of over reacting to their own self. A spanking would have help bust their pride while growing up as I'm sure people children need correction, though many children receive neither, discipline or correction and they grow up to be snowflakes that are triggered by the slightest they are not familiar with.
They have a strong "lack of self control and austerity" , accept only what they them self say and think and none else count unless your agreeing... "brat" is a real term. Like it or not. "Spoiled" is a real term. Like it or not. "Self centered", yeah that's a real thing. "Conceited", also is a real thing. This would describe 80 percent of the left side of that room I'm sure....
I wonder if you took all they had and put them in normal life with the rest of us, they could not take it...
Where i come from, no one cares if you cry over spilled milk and no one cares if you decide to flop down on the floor like a kid and have a tantrum... you might get spanked for that bull crap in my house especially for sure... I have 2 kids in college and I did not raise weak, crying baby, tantrum having, fit stomping, snowflakes that have no self control. My kids would laugh the whole left side of the room out the door...
Here in america, we do have a law just for these kind of snowflakes.... "you have the right to remain silent", anything you say can be used against you. Even if it offends you..... I'm sure most of the left side offend their own self regular when they understand something differently.
"Self control" is desirable.
If you break down into tears and can not continue in any form of debate then you are not prepared to lead anyone because you can not control your own self and actions by just the mere use of THE "WORD"...
What gives anyone the right to decide what TRUTH can be had and what TRUTH can not be had? The TRUTH is something we observe and obey and no one is the dictator of it. Truth is a property of it's own and we are merely users of it and ues it matters how that is treated... the TRUTH was, long before any of these people on this panel, and none of them created it. Infact the TRUTH is not made up or changeable because it stands without offense. The TRUTH is the most holy thing know of... and you honestly think I would let any of you dictate that for me???? I think not! Infact God forbid it.....
If your incapable of hearing certain speech then your not fit to judge to judge fairly. The TRUTH is the judge and there is none other... why do you think they break down so fast when they hear the TRUTH spoken.... because there is no argument against the TRUTH that can be made....
Sunlight is the best healer
So what was the outcome?. Not from Oxford, just a commoner, but interested.
Never finish an affirmative speech with admissions of weakness...
What is the bell I hear them ring. What does it mean?
I agree with this, 100% It's interesting seeing the so-called right defending basic free speech, and those on the so-called left against it. We need to reconsider what is the right and left.
It strikes me that those opposing no-platforming are confusing the right to free speech, with the right to an audience, and that they are implying an obligation on that audience to listen. Their argument further implies that those without the opportunity to have their views aired on TV, radio, newspaper and stage, are de facto censored. For their argument to hold true, free speech would not actually be a right, it would be a priviledge, one afforded only to those who can access a 'stage' for their speech.
Free speech means you are not arrested when you speak, that you cannot be oppresed by the state when you speak. It does not mean that any private third party is obligated to provide you an audience, or that any audience is obligated to listen.
that's not it at all.
geez.
Grown ups " let's talk about this"
Idiots "I'm not listening la la la la la la la la I'm not listening la la la la"
But he said that would no platform Julian Assange. He ruined his whole argument in one breath. A pity.
He doesn't seem to know what the hell he's talking about regarding Julian Assange.
Some bloke he is using that man as an example who would do harm if he was allowed a platform. Julian Assange is without conscience and would endanger people without a second thought. Hope that clears it up.
100% agree with the first 3 and a half minutes
that's it in a nutshell. those opposing No Platforming protect ALL people''s rights. those wanting No Platforming deny rights to potentially 50% of society.
and ONLY THEY determine what deserves a platform.
very dangerous, even to themselves -- but too stupid to understand that.
Great speech. Thanks for talking about the no platform of feminist women.
Is every single man wearing a shop-tied bowtie on an elastic?
Perhaps, now, men also predominantly wear a shop-tied tie on an elastic?
This makes me want to move to Britain.
My friends son was offered a place at Oxford university his mother would not let him go she said she did not want him to end up like them people Toby and friends were in her mind this is a man who grew up having social liaisons in public toilets as many of his contemporaries did too,Never trust theae people don't befriend them never do anything for them thanks ! Peace
In a 2015 essay for the Australian publication The Quadrant, entitled The fall of the meritocracy, under a section headed “Progressive eugenics”, Young proposed that poorer people should be helped to choose which embryos were allowed to develop, based on intelligence.
My proposal is this: once this technology [genetically engineered intelligence] becomes available, why not offer it free of charge to parents on low incomes with below-average IQs? Provided there is sufficient take-up, it could help to address the problem of flat-lining inter-generational social mobility and serve as a counterweight to the tendency for the meritocratic elite to become a hereditary elite. It might make all the difference when it comes to the long-term sustainability of advanced meritocratic societies.
Toby has totally mopped the floor with the no platformers, but they seem to be too deluded to recognise this.
Toby Young: No platforming is wrong, unless it's applied to someone whom I disagree with, like Julian Assange, in which case it's great.
No platforming should only apply to Toby Young.
Needs more John Stuart Mill.
More polarization, though useful for pointing at proof and proving the point if nothing else.
Unfortunately for Toby, freedom of speech isn't an inalienable right even in the definition he uses. Rather, it's a luxury that's now necessary, and one we have to keep, defend and nurture due to how much benefit it's allowed our civilization to have- including the growing knowledge of what pitfalls it helps avoid.
Invite David Icke to this debate.
10:45 that's it
Jack Solomon sweating because he has to follow up this man's brilliance with whatever crap rebuttal he has you can just see him panicking every time the camera pans to him
I agreed with him until he mentioned Julian Assange
Bake the cake.
The lefties are so immature giggling and smug. We need to say No to no platforming. Proud to support the right on this issue.
Notice all the ethnics are on the no-platforming side? 😆 No shocker