@Tassian : God really ? How dare you call "someone" who would help people to win competitions with far more influence than doping against women god ? And in the same way why would that "god" let hundreds of children and people to die everyday or to live in big poverty, plus countries destroying the planet ? If I would be a believer I would not call it "god" but quite the contrary, hopefully I don't believe in him or the other one, people are good or bad themselves and abusing about something is clearly something bad for everyone. Do you know how other women competing against Caster feel ? Caster him/herself revealed that "I do not feel supported by other women" recently and it's so obvious why ! Sport is about equality and is the only work that people can succeed regardless to their skin tone or their origins. Caster has a XY genotype so it's basically a man with female attributes and that's why we call it transgender. He/She has more testosterone and that's why he/she wins more competitions than Lance Armstrong did, this is not about god this is about something over than cheating. Fighting for transgender is a great cause but winning by abusing people is really really bad for everyone. Sport is based on equality that's why men and women are separated into categories and the solution does exist for transgenders : create a third category to let them compete in fairness and that would also give them more visibility during competitions thus helping the transgender cause !
@Normani is better than Camila You are the one who is willingly stupid. Your hero Caster has been outed as male. That is why he lost the arbitration and appeals. He can't get his testosterone levels down low enough because he is a dude. Now he is trying to force himself on women's soccer. I hope the women kick his ass to the curb.
Racing in the Olympics is not a human right. There needs to be rules in this competition in order for it to be as fair as possible. In this case, women need to compete against women in order for it to be fair. XX women.
A lot of people don't know anything .I grew up with a lot of women who appear a little different .Especially black race .Strong features . Never used drugs - nothing .Deep voice whole 9 yards .What about the runner Maria Mutola ? ( might not have that name spelled right ) She was in several different Olympic Games .One of best in world .I 'm sure they have her on UTUBE .
@Europa Man - I thank you .The man gets insulted and labeling people with all these gender insults .Only explaining to him the facts . No need for him or anyone to get all out side themselves . Maria Mutola looks about the same as her physically. And she has always looked boxy in appearance . I have seen women like her in Midwest .People getting hot - headed and saying insults makes no sense .If he would have even looked up Maria Mutola ( with several World Titles and Olympic Gold Metals )maybe he would not launch so many insults .I am very surprised that they have made no comparisons to her .
SEX - XY chromosomes, has testes, no uterus, no ovaries, no fallopian tube, no period. Gender -dresses and acts in traditionally male roles, married to woman. I mean what part of Caster is even woman?
Medical examiner said she is a woman! Her mother and grandmother saw her being born a woman. She grew into an athlete, and a world champion. Congratulations Caster !!!
Legion he test should she was female this was all cleared up in 2010. This was publicly showed to everyone and yet people are still petty about her winning. SHE’S a strong WOMAN
@@sahara4052 as long as it's AFTER this beast is put down.... AFTER..... HE will get one kiss goodbye as the light fades from his eyes once HIS throat is slit. STALKERS ARE GOOD PEEPS!!!! 😉
That's not true at all. Of course it's not her fault, but she could take medication to get her testosterone down to a normal female level. She refuses because at that level she is not competitive with women. Don't feel sorry for her. 99.9% of the people in the world cannot compete at Olympic levels. She is one of us. If you look at her history, she did not work as hard or put in the time that other female runners have who have reached that level. They are the ones I feel sorry for.
The South African athlete has testosterone levels three times higher than is expected in women due to hyperandrogenism. She has no womb or ovaries, but instead has internal testes because of a chromosomal abnormality. Semenya identifies as a woman, but some would label her as intersex Oh yea.....sounds like the complete opposite of female/woman - you would probably be ok with men just tucking their dick between their legs before any event took place.
@@martjie I share your point of view but it would be better made without the incorrect statement "An underdeveloped penis is a vagina". If you need to go there, then an underdeveloped penis is a clitoris.
Caster is in a very, very difficult situation. She is more than likely somewhere kind of in between man and woman. She has internal genitalia, so in my opinion, she looks almost androgynous. As far as track and field, she is not running times that are even remotely competitive in the men's field. As a matter of fact, she is running top high boys times in the 800m and she has not broken the women's world record in that event. So I am inclined to believe that she probably has more testosterone than a woman, but not enough to classify her as a man. So maybe it's not really helping her performance-wise... She just happens to be running the fastest out of all the women in this event at this time. Bottom line, she is 10-15 seconds BEHIND the men in this event. That has to say something... Not sure there is a real solution to all this unless another category of "Other" was created. But that would only make things far more complicated and cause further stigma.
He is a male. His lawyers revealed the truth, and the UK Sunday Times exposed this truth recently. This is why he lost in front of the arbitration panel although the panel did not disclose the fact he is a man. Because he is a male, he has competed fraudulently against women for years, no doubt for the awards, medals, and piles of money from sports endorsements.
@@someadandlogochannel Oh, please. He has been revealed to be a man. His lawyers said it, and therefore it is true. He should be barred from all athletic competition because he is a cheater.
ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ bruh can you just understand like tf ? What if that was you bruh people like you are annoying as hell and even if she was a man which she isn’t how is she a weird and ugly one? STFU and stop commenting on other comments the same this use your brain you dumbass
He deserves everything and more. He is a disgusting human being, a cheat, a fraud, and no doubt his family and doctors were in on the fraud. Shame on you for swallowing this brazen cheating.
ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ are you an idiot she even got test and the results were female. You’re ugly and full of hate you can’t see someone succeed while you’re low trash, small minded, ignorant, bitch self should sit down somewhere and stfu
Martjie Louw you do realise she was born with a gift and is doing what she loves. If she’s to stop running that’s like asking someone to stop being talented to make everyone else feel better. If you’re opinion is what she is born with is a advantage why not also stop Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps both have have something in their genetics. Do you research this is clearly unfair to her
Martjie Louw so it’s ok for a man to have a genetic advantage but not for a woman. You do realise a woman can be just as strong as a man right I’ve seen female body builders. It’s not like she changed herself to have an advantage over anyone. She’s simply being herself and doing what she loves. Why do you have to put someone down for no reason. She’s strong in my eyes for having to put up with people ignorance. It is true what they say ignorance is bliss
@ 28:22. exactly what i was saying. she hasn't broken the 800m world record. she's just running better than the current competition. so i'm guessing the current women 800m record holder Jarmila Kratochvílová from west Germany is also a man.
She has some fabulously supportive professionals around her and the lawyer is amazing. We have to remember that she is natural and cannot influence what nature has done. Admittedly she does have masculine mannerisms but she seems a beautiful person inside.
The issue is not her personality it whether a Intersex person should compete in the female class. Since far more full women are disadvantaged by Caster being Intersex in competiton, Intersex people should be made to compete in the male class, if they can win there then there will be no unfair advanatge
My point is not solely about her personality but that she is at the mercy of her genetics as we all are and until there are definitive rules about intersex competition, then she has a choice of who and where she competes.Unless there is a blanket approach to testing of all athletes those apparently visibly questionable should not be made an example of in any situation. The failing here is not Caster but the ruling bodies.
He? seems you are too polarised to understand complex argument and descend into vulgarity as defense. Don't enter any arbitrator positions or you'll find you have to leave in a lather as you will be the ridiculous one.
@@lovemidou9619 Its not about race its litterally about gender. Many intersex runners know for a fact it's unfair. So they don't compete but run for fun. Like anyone here who loves running shouldn't do it for a record they should do it to have fun
They probably would not have bothered her. They were looking into it because it was so clearly unfair. With her hormonal differences she can do much better than any XX women possibly could! So there is no chance for them.
@@jayaom4946 Sports are inherently unfair because some people have natural advantages. Michael Phelps has hyper-extension in all joints and doesn't produce as much lactic acid as a normal human, yet nobody is calling for him to be banned from swimming.
@@levirognejensen1745 This is a specific difference between men and women which is why they are split up in sports. When XY people are allowed to compete against XX, there is no point in having an XX category. Also, even if an XY person takes hormones to fit in with XX group, they will still benefit from their many years of being XY. There are many differences between various people but there is a reason that men and women are split in sports and there's no point in women's sports if these categories are going to be ignored. (That's why people wanted Semenya to be tested).
@@linwilllogan That's the thing. SHE has dealt with it very much in secrecy: SHE has been using the right to the privacy of her medical file to hide the fact that she has testies that give her male levels of testosterone. SHE has been hiding her medical condition that gives her an unfair advantage against female competitors. That's why it's important to set the record strait, publicly. Media has been using lies by omission to misinform the public. Transparency is essential for the fairness of competition in sports.
@VIBEz Caster Semenya has a condition where her male genitals have not developed properly. She has testies inside her abdomen that release male levels of testosterone. Look at her and listen to her voice: she's had male puberty and that's why she's beating every women on the filed. She has dishonestly used the right to the privacy of her medical file to hide her condition.
@VIBEz Of course it's not her fault. But she's still hiding her condition to the public at large and trying to pass as a poor victim of discrimination instead of telling the truth and that's unfair to other female competitors. To me, fairness in sports is important. Track and field needs fairness or else it will lose a lot of supporters around the world.
When Flo Jo was doing all them fast times did anyone say she was too fast to be a girl?? no, they didn't even bat an eye...she was praised!!! Is it because she was American?? Leave Caster alone.
She is a human being no matter what so can u imagine how hard it must be for her to go through all this and still be able to run . What has happened to humanity
I'm glad I watched this documentary. It humanized her for me, helped me understand the difficulty she and her family have had to face given her unique situation. It may appear that indeed she has an unfair advantage, and yet, it is not her fault. Initially, I thought that maybe she was really a male who's testicles and genitalia never descended, but that's not the case. Tests have shown her to be female with high levels of testosterone. Therefore, it's her right to compete with other females. To prevent her from running would be simply discriminatory and wrong. Nice to see after everything she went through she was able to come back in top form and succeed in the Rio Olympics.
Same here, it seems she has female DNA but an unusually high testosterone - an endocrine disorder. A “freak” you might say BUT if a DNA female basketballer has a freakish [male type] height e.g.7 feet tall can they not compete with other women using their God-given/biological status to their advantage?
It’s a tough situation but it seems like it would be extremely unfair to the 99% of other female competitors to allow caster to compete. This advantage is obviously not her fault, but this situation lends itself to being unfair to one group or another so you have to weight the benefit of the majority and in this case it would be more fair to the majority to ban her from competing.
I want to hug her so badly. She definetly deserves better. Nobody should be treated like this. She is such a strong and brave women and I am proud how she handles that situation.
Caster, a misogynist male, deserves what he has been through after he discovered conclusively that he was male. Again, Caster discovered, with evidrnce, that he is male. He has no womb. He has no ovaries. He has testes. He has 5a-reductase-2, a condition that only affects males. And, despite this discovery, he decided to live in denial and promote misogyny and abuse towards female athletes. I feel compassion for him, but he has been completely inappropriate and immature. He is a powerful voice for denial.
Most of these comments really show how people are ready to jump to conclusions without any facts to back up some remarks they are claiming....... You have no shame!.
It's so funny seeing people lose their shit about someone who had no choice about the body they were born in... thousands of athletes dope, bur clearly Caster is the villain here ;)
No choice how HE was born but he IS responsible for how he lives--which is a lie. I do not think that when he looks in the mirror, that Caster believes for one minute that he is looking at a woman
Martin she went through the test that was cleared up in 2010 she’s a woman leave her alone. Someone doesn’t have to look feminine to be a woman. You’re clearly stereotypical and think a girl should look a certain way just to identify as a woman. You’re absolutely wrong she a beautiful strong woman to be facing hate for no reason but doing what she loves. So shut up and stop sharing your idiotic opinions
@Martin Caster is a woman. That's why she didn't run with men. She's a freak of nature, but so are Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps. That shouldn't disqualify her. On top of that, she has yet to break any records and both those other guys have.
@Martin That is RIDICULOUS! Being female can easily be seen by whether your chromosomes are XX or XY. So if a person is genetically female but happens to look more like a dude to you, then she doesn't get to compete?! Open a god damn book about gender instead of posting your insane beliefs online.
Caster, a misogynist male, deserves what he has been through after he discovered conclusively that he was male. Again, Caster discovered, with evidrnce, that he is male. He has no womb. He has no ovaries. He has testes. He has 5a-reductase-2, a condition that only affects males. And, despite this discovery, he decided to live in denial and promote misogyny and abuse towards female athletes. I feel compassion for him, but he has been completely inappropriate and immature. He is a powerful voice for denial.
I can't believe some people. Her entire life has been on display and criticized by people like you. Yes she may have manly qualities and more testosterone...but that is how she grew up and it's not as if she injected herself with testosterone like people who cheat! She never asked for this, it's the hand she was dealt and she deals with it on a constant basis. Imagine your biggest insecurity was put on display. At least she had guts to fight for what she wanted. And exactly what that video said we don't question abnormalities in men do we? Why do all the other athletes complain and bad-mouth another runner, why don't they concentrate on bettering themselves, accepting the challenge. Yes she might have an advantage, but that wasn't her choice and to put her next to men would be labeling her something she is not and putting her at a disadvantage. Is that fair either? Why not take this as a challenge and have empathy for her, to understand the courage it must have taken to have her world turned upside down and give her, her moment in life.
If I am born of short stature and self identify as a short person my entire life and my goal is to compete in the Paralympics but I am denied a spot because I am an inch shorter than the qualifying height is it this fair to deny me my dream? Yes, I might have an advantage over the other competitors but they should concentrate on bettering themselves should they not? I shouldn't be bad mouthed because I have a natural advantage. Don't kill my dream of competing in the Paralympics. Signed, "The World's Tallest Midget"
Olympians aren't average women. I think people seem to forget this. At that level there is SO MUCH deviation from what is considered average, in all senses, that it becomes incredibly opaque to determine how much of an edge her elevated natural testosterone affords anyway. Also frequently forgotten is the training, skill, dedication and perseverance that she puts into her sport, just like any of the other competitors. She didn't just wake up this morning and decide to run the 800m. She's been training her whole life for this, and arguably has faced more DISADVANTAGE in her life than those athletes from more prosperous backgrounds. BTW Look up the symptoms of PCOS (another condition which produces elevated levels androgens in females)- it's the polar opposite of a "competitive edge" (characterised by weight gain and muscular atrophy). How the female body responds to elevated testosterone (particularly endogenous /naturally occurring testosterone) is a subject of extreme controversy because there is too much variation to define a standard set of clinical observations.
punkfluff64 So let's say that given all the disadvantages in training facilities and other things that Caster suffers she should be allowed to compete in the interests of fairness. What happens then when another inter sex athlete comes along except she is from a first world country. You've suspended or changed the rules to admit Caster and others like her - how do you deny a person with access to first world facilities who is inter sex? The answer is you can't. There have to be guidelines to protect women's sport just as there are guidelines to protect Paralympic sports. If an individual is visually impaired but doesn't meet the criteria for the Paralympics they don't compete. It doesn't matter where they came from or how hard they trained or how they self-identify. Saying that current tests are imperfect doesn't change the fact that we need to have eligibility guidelines. Joanna Harper who is a scientist, athlete and transgender gives the best analysis I've read on the issue - sportsscientists.com/2016/05/hyperandrogenism-women-vs-women-vs-men-sport-qa-joanna-harper/
He has no uterus or ovaries, but testes and male hormone levels, as do the other medal winners in this farcical race. The genuine women did not stand a change against three MEN.
I am glad Caster is back on the track. She must now go out and restore her status as number 1 800 metre athlete. Go Caster Go. South Africa is behind you.
Caster, you are an inspiration!! So many commenters cannot even pass an Introduction to biology let alone understand the complexity of her case, yet they can say so confidently “she is a man”. Does she have some masculine characteristics? Sure she does, but to no fault of her own. Her condition is a medical one and not as uncommon as people may think. There are many disorders that can impact secondary sexual characteristics. If she does indeed have this issue, the documentary explains logically how it does not give her an unfair advantage.
"5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5αR2D) is an autosomal recessive condition caused by a mutation in SRD5A2, a gene encoding the enzyme 5α-reductase type 2 (5αR2). The condition is rare, affects only genetic males, and has a broad spectrum." "not as uncommon as people may think." you guys just lie, lie, lie, lie and think it's normal
A Poem By Maya Angelou _ "like Air ...Still I Rise" . Continue to Rise My Lady. They will oppress you for your glory , yet again...which black person was allowed to greatness without attempts to lay waste to everything we work for? God Gave you this...You Are The Queen Of The Track...keep Rising. We will lay down our hats in salute to you in their faces.
Sure, testosterone gives a huge advantage. And being tall gives people an advantage in basketball but are not banned from it. The only question is whether she’s a woman - and if she is, it doesn’t matter what natural genetic advantages she has. What do you call somebody born without a penis? A girl. And they grow up to be women. And some of these women produce more testosterone and can run fast. So what? Sports have never been genetically fair.
I love this girl...seriously. I just learned about her last night when I saw her on TV and I just loved her from their on. Honestly my favorite athlete.
Just Keep Running Semenya. That's all you want to do. I can't imagine how stressful this is, being judged and analyzed.We all have some biological differences some more than others, but you got to live and do what you love girl. Bolt has a genetic advantage so any female out there that has a genetic advantage should also be left alone to enjoy themselves on the track or whatever they do in life. There is a genetic reason Bolt is the fastest human on the planet; no one complains. Just because she is really good doesn't mean she shouldn't run with everyone else, no matter her condition. We all get sick or born the way we are. Let her be who she is. She has sisters and brothers and I'm sure her parents did the best to raise her the best as she is and who she is is just who she is and nobody can change that. There are some males that seem more feminine and the world is not bothering them. Just because you are so fast, people think they should place you where they think. If you were not winning, they wouldn't even care to come and judge your life and who you always been before they saw you are fast you are. You be who you are. The bottom line is you are faster than most people in this world. You are as fast as a woman and faster than many men like many Olympic athletes male or female are. You don't yet hold the world record, so go get it if you want it; keep training and try to get even faster.
She was born how she was born. Her mum named her who she came out as. Semenya has a goal and she is focused and that makes her powerful. We all should go get our own focus and our own power and priorities instead of criticize her for for trying. Some people don't even try. The truth is most people or everyone finds flaws on their own body or character. Semenya is wise enough to accept who she is as who she is and who God decided she is and she has no problem with it; unlike most people. You will be a mess if people started calling those flaws (you think are flaws) out everyday. You wouldn't be able to stand the pressure. We are all a mystery when we are born and we must embrace ourselves and let others embrace themselves best they can. At least she accepts herself and she runs because she loves it and she can do that on her own and she is determined to be the best she can be. Not many people are so focused. I am pretty sure if she ran for presidency or something people like males to do and if she was really good at it; people will start telling her she is a female and they don't want her to rule. They will find reasons to tell her that she is not a man if she was trying to be a king and she was good at it. We humans are a living contradiction. Many female Olympics athletes are better at many sports than men. Many males cannot catch the fastest female runners. If a male was born that had female traits, nobody will complain if that man competed with males. If Bolt looked and sounded like a female but is a male, people wouldn't tell him to go run with females. They wouldn't want the fastest human being to be female. If a female was born that has masculine traits, people complain that female is competing with females IF SHE IS REALLY GOOD. If she isn't good, people wouldn't complain. Whatever you look like, feel like, your psychology is your business at the end of the day. We are all a phenomenon. When you get born, you can come out however and you have to embrace it and roll with it. Her mum saw a female and called Semenya a female. It's now unnecessary to try to give her so much stress and depression because we are not satisfied.
@@martjie it would be cool to see her run with the men and possibly still be in the top five. I would say let her run but with the men maybe start a few meters ahead of the men.
The other absurd thing was how the one coach guy had the nerve to come to his own conclusion of how it wouldn't affect other real female athletes without even asking them.
The case of Caster Semenya clearly exposes the dysfunction of IOC and IAAF and their archaic approach. Any woman caught doping to reach that level of strength, which comes natural for Semenya, is banned from the competition. Clearly $$$ is the reason, nothing else...
"The precise medical name for Caster Semenya’s difference in sexual development, or DSD, is 5-alpha reductase deficiency. It is a condition that influences only male sexual characteristics before birth and during puberty. Those with it have one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, plus testes that may be internal due to the shortage of a hormone, dihydrotestosterone, which can disrupt the formation of external sex organs. In other words, Semenya is 46XY: genetically male."
Yes you people you are treating her unfairly, she was not the one that told God to create her that way..maybe God created her that way because of her running career... So please when you start bringing those contradicted stories about her it means you are correcting God for her creation.. I love semenya and her energy.... #plizz semenya don't stop doing what God has given you, ignore the hater and continue running.
@@RZA491 your judging don't insult religion. It is people like you who are not believers. You are hypocrites and bigots who hide behind the banner of religion.
I have read all the comments about Caster, and I have more respect for her because at least she's not trying to be something other than what she is. She is not hiding or lying about her anatomical differences or her preference for women unlike these men who get married and raise kids pretending to be straight only to come out 15 to 20 years later wearing women's clothes and cramming their big rusty feet in women's shoes. Caster has no choice but to be who and what she is because she was born this way, but these other low-down creeps who drag unsuspecting people into webs of lies and fake relationships infecting women with diseases and destroying families can choose to be hetero, homo, or bi. What choice does she have, and is it her fault that her family chose to raise her as a girl if she was really born a boy? The fault is not with her but with the double-standard in society that people use to harass others when they can't comfortably categorize or control them. By the way, all you female haters should look in the mirror because, by some standards, you might not fit the description of a woman either.
Before anyone judges her, please note that she has not broken the world record for the 800 m and according to the experts, she completes within the normal realm for "women" that have run that race. I encourage everyone who has a comment to take a look at the world record holder at that distance and tell me that she does not have "manly features". Regardless, Caster works her ass off and perhaps instead of complaining about her "advantages", the other athletes should work harder to set a world record themselves. That's what sports and track and field are all about.
The most brilliant female athlete. This is what excellence is. Every brilliant person has exceptional abilities look at Einstein, Phelps, Bolt... same ingredients they have inherent competitive advantage. Thats what it is. As for the IAAF, it is a questionable institution.
She has not shown that she is too fast to be a woman, but that her physique, muscle mass and body type deep voice and biology tell us she is most likely to strong, too manly to be a woman.
Alright. I have a voice so low that I am often mistaken for a man over the phone. I gain muscle mass more quickly than most women (without the use of drugs). I'm pretty flat-chested and have a masculine build. And yet my birth certificate and ultrasound photos are clearly marked with FEMALE. Am I "too manly" to be a woman?
I don't know. However, I do know that with testicles and testosterone levels 5-10 higher than an average woman, having Caster (XY Chromosomes) run with biological women (xx chromosome) will destroy women's sport. Perhaps there is another category that she can compete in.
The problem of finding a specific criteria to divide women and men in sports is a very hard complex problem. We must all participate in this discussion without fighting because the answer is not simple and there are many valid arguments, its not just black and white, there are not two sides.
So what if she has an 'alleged' genital disorder? What if her built is not what society has deemed "normal"? What if she has a deep voice? What if she is lesbian? None of that matters. Many people fall within one or more of these categories. People just have a problem with these things when they do not suit *them*. Leave Caster be. Let her be proof that one's "deformities" can be advantageous! Congrats Caster!
She's not deformed or disordered as you say. There's nothing "wrong" with her. She should be able to live her life as a woman, marry a woman, get a job as a doctor, bus driver or English professor. But in order to qualify to run in a woman's event you must be able to meet certain criteria. The failure of the sports establishment to clarify or enforce those guidelines has brought us to where we are now. As a result her competitors are at a severe and unfair disadvantage.
Whuuuh! Do you not understand the use of inverted comma's in my statement or you just failed to read? I am not saying she's "deformed", simply quoting what the media says. Deformity is subjective. Also, the human is complicated being. How does one draw a line as to what is female and what is not? I think it's totally fair, she's female. Period! Those that are complaining are complaining because she is doing much better than her competitors. She's within the females' world record so why is everyone calling her abilities into question? I repeat, leave Caster be!
How does one draw a line? For example, this is exactly what they must do to prove eligibility for the Paralympics. You have to have a certain level of disability. Somebody one inch over the height limit is going to have their dream crushed when they are told they can't compete. This shouldn't be about how the athlete feels or how they "self-identify". A person may see themselves as disabled but ultimately they may not be disabled enough. You have to give some thought to the other competitors who do meet the standard. They have competed for this Olympic or Paralympic dream for just as long as the ones who are excluded and they shouldn't be unfairly disadvantaged.
Like I said, the human body functions in a very complex manner and differs greatly from person to person. Caster has been tested and they let her compete because they couldn't find anything solid against her. The people that are trusted to conduct tests and make decisions on questionable athletes saw her fit to compete. It's not just because of how she "self-identifies". If you have issues with their judgment, maybe you should request to join the board of athletics decision makers...See how that goes
The IAAF should have just had chromosome testing done quietly and dismissed Caster in private if they came back male. Then there's no cover-up and no leaking. Trying to weasel around the rules is what led to the leaking and speculation.
For the past several years, Caster's coach and team have been very wise on when they allow her to race. They know that they can't allow her to dominate especially the Gran Prix/Diamond League international meets where there is a lot of prize money. If they do so they will find that no women will show up to compete with her, and the meet sponsor will not have a women's 800. If you look at her times when she was 18 they are comparable to a good high school boy 800m runner. 1:55-2:00 is pretty typical. Is she male or female? Probably neither. There is a fair amount of gray area in between. Does she have a genetic advantages over 99% of females in International athletics? Undeniably.
What a beautiful pretty girl. Guys stop hating her she is beautiful amazing your just jealous that she wipes your but. And that's from a South African girl go girls
Well shit, I feel am I am a woman. Since I can't cut mustard in a male competiton, I think I will just say I am a woman and compete against females. Clearly, thats a man.
Her body produces testosterone but so do that of many others females. I dnt see y u r complaining. She hasn't broken the world record. So are we to assume tht the current record holder was also a man?
Damn right he is too fast to be a woman. Because he is a xY male, and he knew it ever since puberty, yet still misused unfair advantage by entering Women's athletics. I call him a fraud.
José María Odriozola, professor of biochemistry and member of the Directing Council of the IAAF - until September -, came out in defense of the regulations on hyperparathyroidism introduced by the IAAF and explained that the South African Caster Semenya, the most relevant case, "is biologically a man". And when it comes to racing, she has "a huge advantage" over her rivals. "She says the IAAF is against her, but the rules are for everyone. Her case comes from the World Cup in Berlin 2009. She has XY chromosomes, like the men, and then a series of hormonal internal controls that make him hyperogenic. We do not enter his denomination as a woman, but that he is biologically a man, with characteristics, in some aspects, not totally anatomically defining of man, but has an advantage huge, that is why there are competitions of men and women, "he told EFE Odriozola, one of the promoters of the issue being dealt with in the IAAF Board of Directors, in which That takes twenty years.
It's not anybody's fault that she was born this way, we get it. What we're trying to figure out is if it's fair for this competition. Men can't change being born as male but there's a reason they don't compete against women!
I feel compassion for rivals too. They have to rival with "testosteronewoman". Doy you remember swimmers from East Germany? This hormone turned them into men.
Not men Smiffy but women with high levels of testosterone.They have done nothing wrong yet they are attacked so brutally. I do feel for the other athletes and this needs to be discussed, Lets just allow it to happen with a bit of kindness and compassion and respect for all sides?
well Usain Bolt is allowed to have the advantage of being tall and naturally talented, but heaven forbid that someone naturally produces more testosterone
Oh yes it is forbidden ... by the IAAF, the IOC, and WADA. In fact they banned him initially because taking any type of steroid is illegal and biologically that is what her system has been doing. It is not illegal to be tall, fat short, black or white or any other color. He has testes which produce testosterone that give him a huge advantage over any other women as they don't have testicles. The muscle mass which men produce comes in large part from testosterone. That's why a tall girl won't be as fast as a tall guy. So to be fair he should run with the men and everything would be fine. He can't because if he did his career would be over. He was formerly banned from racing by WADA but reinstated after an avalanche of law suits from the Government of South Africa. I feel sorry for him as an individual but despite that it's unfair to the rest of the women.
Uhm, I've seen plenty of WNBA players that look just as manly as her. If you look at her up close in some of the home videos, you can clearly see that she is a women.
It seem she is absolutely genotypically, phenotypically and physiologically male with a congenital developmental abnormality of the external genitalia which is nothing unheard of at all to anybody in the medical profession. She clearly benefits from performance advantages due to her masculinized physiology (increased muscle mass, biomechanical advantages due to male skeletal proportions, almost certainly an increased VO2 max as well due to male thoracic cage dimensions and proportions). The complexities here are due to someone with her condition being born in a village in Africa without the complex gender identity issues that now exist in the developed world. Her mannerisms in the video are very masculine as well and I believe had she been born in the developed world this would have been recognized early on and after appropriate medical investigation she would probably have grown up as a boy and this current situation would never have developed in the first place. Would have also avoided her all this disgraceful scrutiny and public discourse over these intensely personal issues.
I also have a very deep voice if im kept in a room and i speak many people would think im a man. Some of my friend tease me telling me im somehow a man that doesn't bother me actually so even women have deep voice.
everyone is arguing that she wants to be a woman, so let her be a woman ... but she doesn't act like a woman, she doesn't dress like a woman, she married a female, wore male uniform at school ... just in competition she wants to run with women. and having an advantage being a man (she does have male sex organs), that's good for her - but its not for others who compete with her. and saying she can be what she believes to be ... so then an average male runner can decide he's a woman and compete with women and start winning too ...
Ellen is a lesbian. But does she have more male hormones? Does she have internal male sex organs? That doesnt matter - cuz theres no male/female category in tv presenting. Thats what in talking about. So if they wanna argue that everyone can chose if theyre a man or a woman then lets just make one category in sports and go back to when women werent even allowed to compete in sports - cuz guess what - women wont even qualify 🤨
And one other thing - if she really is a woman and she wants to compete with women she has a choice - she can reduce her testosterone and thats it. Why does she have such a problem with it? If she really feels like and is a woman, she can do that - it will even benefit her in that sense.
That must have been a very difficult time for her, I cannot imagine what went through her head. But authorities do have the right to ask for tests, you can't blame them. Blame those who embarrassed her and hated her for being who she is
Her mental strenght amazes me,I pray that God continues to bless and keep her,am proud of her
Semenya has earned huge amounts of money, just because the athletics body were not brave enough to ban her from totally female races.
ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ shut up
@Tassian : God really ? How dare you call "someone" who would help people to win competitions with far more influence than doping against women god ? And in the same way why would that "god" let hundreds of children and people to die everyday or to live in big poverty, plus countries destroying the planet ? If I would be a believer I would not call it "god" but quite the contrary, hopefully I don't believe in him or the other one, people are good or bad themselves and abusing about something is clearly something bad for everyone.
Do you know how other women competing against Caster feel ? Caster him/herself revealed that "I do not feel supported by other women" recently and it's so obvious why ! Sport is about equality and is the only work that people can succeed regardless to their skin tone or their origins. Caster has a XY genotype so it's basically a man with female attributes and that's why we call it transgender. He/She has more testosterone and that's why he/she wins more competitions than Lance Armstrong did, this is not about god this is about something over than cheating.
Fighting for transgender is a great cause but winning by abusing people is really really bad for everyone. Sport is based on equality that's why men and women are separated into categories and the solution does exist for transgenders : create a third category to let them compete in fairness and that would also give them more visibility during competitions thus helping the transgender cause !
@Normani is better than Camila You are the one who is willingly stupid. Your hero Caster has been outed as male. That is why he lost the arbitration and appeals. He can't get his testosterone levels down low enough because he is a dude. Now he is trying to force himself on women's soccer. I hope the women kick his ass to the curb.
@Normani is better than Camila why would I be racist to my own race
Castor should have been protected from the media. People needs to remember that she is a human being and have feelings.
Are you kidding?
Racing in the Olympics is not a human right. There needs to be rules in this competition in order for it to be as fair as possible. In this case, women need to compete against women in order for it to be fair. XX women.
if she had feelings she wouldn´t have been competing in woman races
WTF are you talking about? The media protected this cheater for YEARS.
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MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS CASTER. SHE IS A STRONG WOMAN. IM PROUD OF HER
Yes, a helluva man she is.
A lot of people don't know anything .I grew up with a lot of women who appear a little different .Especially black race .Strong features . Never used drugs - nothing .Deep voice whole 9 yards .What about the runner Maria Mutola ? ( might not have that name spelled right ) She was in several different Olympic Games .One of best in world .I 'm sure they have her on UTUBE .
@@michaelclayton3114 You were raised by hermaphrodites. We get it. Thanks.
@@ConservativeAnthem - Who are you speaking of saying we ? You side walking, delusional , poorly balanced , message - misinterpreting piece of @hit !
@Europa Man - I thank you .The man gets insulted and labeling people with all these gender insults .Only explaining to him the facts . No need for him or anyone to get all out side themselves . Maria Mutola looks about the same as her physically. And she has always looked boxy in appearance . I have seen women like her in Midwest .People getting hot - headed and saying insults makes no sense .If he would have even looked up Maria Mutola ( with several World Titles and Olympic Gold Metals )maybe he would not launch so many insults .I am very surprised that they have made no comparisons to her .
She's doing very well in handling her critics. Keep your focus Semenya and get more gold.
Yeah get gold in men’s races by all means!
Yeah, 'that person' will obviously win more ... HOW CAN TOTALLY FEMALE ATHLETES ever compete against ... 'her' ?
She wouldn't make it to state in Ohio in The Boys high school 800
It’s so annoying but they allow transgender woman to run 😑
SEX - XY chromosomes, has testes, no uterus, no ovaries, no fallopian tube, no period. Gender -dresses and acts in traditionally male roles, married to woman. I mean what part of Caster is even woman?
Medical examiner said she is a woman! Her mother and grandmother saw her being born a woman. She grew into an athlete, and a world champion. Congratulations Caster !!!
Mikea Simkele she is not she was
Fool
What do her Chromosomes say? XX or XY?
We need to hear the truth for once.
Mikea Simkele then why she married a women. Can she have babies like all other women
Jay Patchy it’s called being a lesbian, women can marry women.
No DNA test was done--I am certain that if one were done the result would be that Caster is genetically a MALE!@@martjie
I really feel sorry for her. All this intrusion and humiliation.
He deserves exactly what he has gotten. He is a brazen fraud who should be kicked out of all sports competition.
Legion he test should she was female this was all cleared up in 2010. This was publicly showed to everyone and yet people are still petty about her winning. SHE’S a strong WOMAN
Lorie L what intersex race would she run in exactly. She identifies as a woman and will always be a woman don’t single her out
Stuey Griffith you are a sick disturbing person who should be locked up. Sociopaths think like that
@@sahara4052 as long as it's AFTER this beast is put down.... AFTER.....
HE will get one kiss goodbye as the light fades from his eyes once HIS throat is slit. STALKERS ARE GOOD PEEPS!!!!
😉
She is a SUPER woman! Too much talent, discipline, strength and humility!
“He”
Bruno Pin well said
That's not true at all. Of course it's not her fault, but she could take medication to get her testosterone down to a normal female level. She refuses because at that level she is not competitive with women. Don't feel sorry for her. 99.9% of the people in the world cannot compete at Olympic levels. She is one of us. If you look at her history, she did not work as hard or put in the time that other female runners have who have reached that level. They are the ones I feel sorry for.
@@MrAckers75 She can have children.
Balls
WOMEN can have hormone imbalances, doesn't make them less off a woman. Yes she does look masculine , but so do a lot of women.
The South African athlete has testosterone levels three times higher than is expected in women due to hyperandrogenism.
She has no womb or ovaries, but instead has internal testes because of a chromosomal abnormality.
Semenya identifies as a woman, but some would label her as intersex
Oh yea.....sounds like the complete opposite of female/woman - you would probably be ok with men just tucking their dick between their legs before any event took place.
And there are a lot of men that look feminine
EdwinaLondon she has xy chromosomes so she’s a male
@@martjie I share your point of view but it would be better made without the incorrect statement "An underdeveloped penis is a vagina". If you need to go there, then an underdeveloped penis is a clitoris.
Yeah her XY chromosome doesn’t really care about that
Caster is in a very, very difficult situation. She is more than likely somewhere kind of in between man and woman. She has internal genitalia, so in my opinion, she looks almost androgynous. As far as track and field, she is not running times that are even remotely competitive in the men's field. As a matter of fact, she is running top high boys times in the 800m and she has not broken the women's world record in that event. So I am inclined to believe that she probably has more testosterone than a woman, but not enough to classify her as a man. So maybe it's not really helping her performance-wise... She just happens to be running the fastest out of all the women in this event at this time. Bottom line, she is 10-15 seconds BEHIND the men in this event. That has to say something... Not sure there is a real solution to all this unless another category of "Other" was created. But that would only make things far more complicated and cause further stigma.
He is a male. His lawyers revealed the truth, and the UK Sunday Times exposed this truth recently. This is why he lost in front of the arbitration panel although the panel did not disclose the fact he is a man. Because he is a male, he has competed fraudulently against women for years, no doubt for the awards, medals, and piles of money from sports endorsements.
@@someadandlogochannel Oh, please. He has been revealed to be a man. His lawyers said it, and therefore it is true. He should be barred from all athletic competition because he is a cheater.
@@martjie It is the fact he was born male , regardless of whether or not he has DSD, is the reason he has beaten women over the years.
@@martjie how sure are you that she intentionally slowed down ?...you really seemed to know a lot about her .. tell us ?
@@martjie XX is the female chromosome wise
Caster is an amazing athlete and she doesn’t deserve what she’s being put through. Happy to see her strong and competing!
ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ bruh can you just understand like tf ? What if that was you bruh people like you are annoying as hell and even if she was a man which she isn’t how is she a weird and ugly one? STFU and stop commenting on other comments the same this use your brain you dumbass
He deserves everything and more. He is a disgusting human being, a cheat, a fraud, and no doubt his family and doctors were in on the fraud. Shame on you for swallowing this brazen cheating.
ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ are you an idiot she even got test and the results were female. You’re ugly and full of hate you can’t see someone succeed while you’re low trash, small minded, ignorant, bitch self should sit down somewhere and stfu
Martjie Louw you do realise she was born with a gift and is doing what she loves. If she’s to stop running that’s like asking someone to stop being talented to make everyone else feel better. If you’re opinion is what she is born with is a advantage why not also stop Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps both have have something in their genetics. Do you research this is clearly unfair to her
Martjie Louw so it’s ok for a man to have a genetic advantage but not for a woman. You do realise a woman can be just as strong as a man right I’ve seen female body builders. It’s not like she changed herself to have an advantage over anyone. She’s simply being herself and doing what she loves. Why do you have to put someone down for no reason. She’s strong in my eyes for having to put up with people ignorance. It is true what they say ignorance is bliss
Caster is a Heroine! I love her guts and determination. She is a modern day wonder woman! Good luck Caster from New Zealand.
I hope she sued the heck outta the IAAF/and cohorts for the blatant disrespect/break of confidentiality. Never lose your spirit.
Get GOLD Caster!
well said! go Caster. We were cheering for her at our home in Wales. BIG FANS.
thank you!!.
It's the poor women racing against him who should sue.
No one stopping them ... and they'll lose based on the IAAF findings lol
Smiffy83 No one stopping them ... and they'll lose based on the IAAF findings.
I love Caster semenya… u are truly an inspiration for us all. Your poise, intelligence, extreme confidence and grace is honorable!!!❤
Hats off and blessings to you girl, for being so strong 💗
@ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ I'd say he's handsome
Takes one to know one 🖕🏾@razorbackgermania
ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ sit your ignorant ass down somewhere and shut up your opinions clearly aren’t needed.
@ 28:22. exactly what i was saying. she hasn't broken the 800m world record. she's just running better than the current competition. so i'm guessing the current women 800m record holder Jarmila Kratochvílová from west Germany is also a man.
kratochvilova is tsjechoslovakian and had probably a couple of liters of nandrolone, trenbolone,whateverbolone running through her veins :)
I like her. She's really cool, chill, down to earth. You go girl! Whoop whoop
She has some fabulously supportive professionals around her and the lawyer is amazing. We have to remember that she is natural and cannot influence what nature has done. Admittedly she does have masculine mannerisms but she seems a beautiful person inside.
The issue is not her personality it whether a Intersex person should compete in the female class. Since far more full women are disadvantaged by Caster being Intersex in competiton, Intersex people should be made to compete in the male class, if they can win there then there will be no unfair advanatge
My point is not solely about her personality but that she is at the mercy of her genetics as we all are and until there are definitive rules about intersex competition, then she has a choice of who and where she competes.Unless there is a blanket approach to testing of all athletes those apparently visibly questionable should not be made an example of in any situation. The failing here is not Caster but the ruling bodies.
He? seems you are too polarised to understand complex argument and descend into vulgarity as defense. Don't enter any arbitrator positions or you'll find you have to leave in a lather as you will be the ridiculous one.
@Ascaithe you might have not chosen to be incompetent and more of troglodyte neanderthal, it's just your genes. 😩
I just wanna know if she was not winning would they have bothred her
They wouldn't give a shit and if she was white they probably give shit either
@@lovemidou9619 Its not about race its litterally about gender. Many intersex runners know for a fact it's unfair. So they don't compete but run for fun. Like anyone here who loves running shouldn't do it for a record they should do it to have fun
They probably would not have bothered her. They were looking into it because it was so clearly unfair. With her hormonal differences she can do much better than any XX women possibly could! So there is no chance for them.
@@jayaom4946 Sports are inherently unfair because some people have natural advantages. Michael Phelps has hyper-extension in all joints and doesn't produce as much lactic acid as a normal human, yet nobody is calling for him to be banned from swimming.
@@levirognejensen1745 This is a specific difference between men and women which is why they are split up in sports. When XY people are allowed to compete against XX, there is no point in having an XX category. Also, even if an XY person takes hormones to fit in with XX group, they will still benefit from their many years of being XY. There are many differences between various people but there is a reason that men and women are split in sports and there's no point in women's sports if these categories are going to be ignored. (That's why people wanted Semenya to be tested).
This person is intersexual. There are more intersexual people than you could think. So, blame the system not these people.
God doesn't make mistakes, He knew what he was doing with her❤️❤️
I'm heart broken what human beings are doing to her😭😭😭
God doesn’t make mistakes!
Xy chromosome means your a man!
Fact!
People can be so cruel. I can't believe how she was treated.
linwilllogan It's not cruelty, it's the truth. Caster Semenya is not a real woman.
@@marclacasse1 I agree that she shouldn't compete but I think it should be handled more discretely. Publicly humiliating her isnt ok.
@@linwilllogan That's the thing. SHE has dealt with it very much in secrecy: SHE has been using the right to the privacy of her medical file to hide the fact that she has testies that give her male levels of testosterone. SHE has been hiding her medical condition that gives her an unfair advantage against female competitors. That's why it's important to set the record strait, publicly. Media has been using lies by omission to misinform the public. Transparency is essential for the fairness of competition in sports.
@VIBEz Caster Semenya has a condition where her male genitals have not developed properly. She has testies inside her abdomen that release male levels of testosterone. Look at her and listen to her voice: she's had male puberty and that's why she's beating every women on the filed. She has dishonestly used the right to the privacy of her medical file to hide her condition.
@VIBEz Of course it's not her fault. But she's still hiding her condition to the public at large and trying to pass as a poor victim of discrimination instead of telling the truth and that's unfair to other female competitors. To me, fairness in sports is important. Track and field needs fairness or else it will lose a lot of supporters around the world.
When Flo Jo was doing all them fast times did anyone say she was too fast to be a girl??
no, they didn't even bat an eye...she was praised!!!
Is it because she was American??
Leave Caster alone.
It was because she was a biological woman with XX chromosomes.
What part don’t you understand?
@@MrAckers75 She was also likely doped.
@@XDF745 not likely, definitely but so was everyone else at the time.
In all fairness,she looks sounds and behaves like a man so you wouldn't blame women for thinking g it's not fair.
Flop looked like a female. Caster does not
this makes me want to cry.. treated so horribly
Pete D I felt the same, just held myself because I’m watching this while at work
Pete D I know right how could this guy belittle real female competitors?
Y'all I am crying
na. wolf in a sheep clothing is still wolf.....
The IAAF spokesman saying words like "quietly" and "discreetly" was just infuriating to hear. They did this so publicly and humiliated this poor girl!
She is a human being no matter what so can u imagine how hard it must be for her to go through all this and still be able to run . What has happened to humanity
assorted bile bruh what tf are you saying? Can you use your brain and think?
What about how hard it is winning races when your a biological female racing a biological male!
I guess that doesn’t matter to you!
It's not a human right to compete in various competitions! It's not fair to the women's competition.
@@martjieYou mean XX. And please don't call Semenya a "she." HE is no such thing.
@@martjie Quit calling him a she. Females do NOT have xy chromosomes.
I'm glad I watched this documentary. It humanized her for me, helped me understand the difficulty she and her family have had to face given her unique situation. It may appear that indeed she has an unfair advantage, and yet, it is not her fault. Initially, I thought that maybe she was really a male who's testicles and genitalia never descended, but that's not the case. Tests have shown her to be female with high levels of testosterone. Therefore, it's her right to compete with other females. To prevent her from running would be simply discriminatory and wrong. Nice to see after everything she went through she was able to come back in top form and succeed in the Rio Olympics.
Same here, it seems she has female DNA but an unusually high testosterone - an endocrine disorder. A “freak” you might say BUT if a DNA female basketballer has a freakish [male type] height e.g.7 feet tall can they not compete with other women using their God-given/biological status to their advantage?
You are a liar. He is 46XY with DSD, a born MALE. HE has no business in women's competitions at all.
It’s a tough situation but it seems like it would be extremely unfair to the 99% of other female competitors to allow caster to compete. This advantage is obviously not her fault, but this situation lends itself to being unfair to one group or another so you have to weight the benefit of the majority and in this case it would be more fair to the majority to ban her from competing.
Test shows shes a man she has XY chromosones.
I want to hug her so badly. She definetly deserves better. Nobody should be treated like this. She is such a strong and brave women and I am proud how she handles that situation.
Caster, a misogynist male, deserves what he has been through after he discovered conclusively that he was male. Again, Caster discovered, with evidrnce, that he is male. He has no womb. He has no ovaries. He has testes. He has 5a-reductase-2, a condition that only affects males. And, despite this discovery, he decided to live in denial and promote misogyny and abuse towards female athletes. I feel compassion for him, but he has been completely inappropriate and immature. He is a powerful voice for denial.
Most of these comments really show how people are ready to jump to conclusions without any facts to back up some remarks they are claiming....... You have no shame!.
It's so funny seeing people lose their shit about someone who had no choice about the body they were born in... thousands of athletes dope, bur clearly Caster is the villain here ;)
No choice how HE was born but he IS responsible for how he lives--which is a lie. I do not think that when he looks in the mirror, that Caster believes for one minute that he is looking at a woman
Martin she went through the test that was cleared up in 2010 she’s a woman leave her alone. Someone doesn’t have to look feminine to be a woman. You’re clearly stereotypical and think a girl should look a certain way just to identify as a woman. You’re absolutely wrong she a beautiful strong woman to be facing hate for no reason but doing what she loves. So shut up and stop sharing your idiotic opinions
@Martin what do you think about Martina Navratilova? Man or a woman?
@Martin Caster is a woman. That's why she didn't run with men. She's a freak of nature, but so are Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps. That shouldn't disqualify her. On top of that, she has yet to break any records and both those other guys have.
@Martin That is RIDICULOUS! Being female can easily be seen by whether your chromosomes are XX or XY. So if a person is genetically female but happens to look more like a dude to you, then she doesn't get to compete?! Open a god damn book about gender instead of posting your insane beliefs online.
The power of a woman!!!Thank you Caster for being you 💗
Caster, a misogynist male, deserves what he has been through after he discovered conclusively that he was male. Again, Caster discovered, with evidrnce, that he is male. He has no womb. He has no ovaries. He has testes. He has 5a-reductase-2, a condition that only affects males. And, despite this discovery, he decided to live in denial and promote misogyny and abuse towards female athletes. I feel compassion for him, but he has been completely inappropriate and immature. He is a powerful voice for denial.
I can't believe some people. Her entire life has been on display and criticized by people like you. Yes she may have manly qualities and more testosterone...but that is how she grew up and it's not as if she injected herself with testosterone like people who cheat! She never asked for this, it's the hand she was dealt and she deals with it on a constant basis. Imagine your biggest insecurity was put on display. At least she had guts to fight for what she wanted. And exactly what that video said we don't question abnormalities in men do we? Why do all the other athletes complain and bad-mouth another runner, why don't they concentrate on bettering themselves, accepting the challenge. Yes she might have an advantage, but that wasn't her choice and to put her next to men would be labeling her something she is not and putting her at a disadvantage. Is that fair either? Why not take this as a challenge and have empathy for her, to understand the courage it must have taken to have her world turned upside down and give her, her moment in life.
If I am born of short stature and self identify as a short person my entire life and my goal is to compete in the Paralympics but I am denied a spot because I am an inch shorter than the qualifying height is it this fair to deny me my dream? Yes, I might have an advantage over the other competitors but they should concentrate on bettering themselves should they not? I shouldn't be bad mouthed because I have a natural advantage. Don't kill my dream of competing in the Paralympics.
Signed, "The World's Tallest Midget"
totally agree
Olympians aren't average women. I think people seem to forget this. At that level there is SO MUCH deviation from what is considered average, in all senses, that it becomes incredibly opaque to determine how much of an edge her elevated natural testosterone affords anyway. Also frequently forgotten is the training, skill, dedication and perseverance that she puts into her sport, just like any of the other competitors. She didn't just wake up this morning and decide to run the 800m. She's been training her whole life for this, and arguably has faced more DISADVANTAGE in her life than those athletes from more prosperous backgrounds.
BTW Look up the symptoms of PCOS (another condition which produces elevated levels androgens in females)- it's the polar opposite of a "competitive edge" (characterised by weight gain and muscular atrophy). How the female body responds to elevated testosterone (particularly endogenous /naturally occurring testosterone) is a subject of extreme controversy because there is too much variation to define a standard set of clinical observations.
punkfluff64
So let's say that given all the disadvantages in training facilities and other things that Caster suffers she should be allowed to compete in the interests of fairness. What happens then when another inter sex athlete comes along except she is from a first world country. You've suspended or changed the rules to admit Caster and others like her - how do you deny a person with access to first world facilities who is inter sex? The answer is you can't.
There have to be guidelines to protect women's sport just as there are guidelines to protect Paralympic sports. If an individual is visually impaired but doesn't meet the criteria for the Paralympics they don't compete. It doesn't matter where they came from or how hard they trained or how they self-identify.
Saying that current tests are imperfect doesn't change the fact that we need to have eligibility guidelines.
Joanna Harper who is a scientist, athlete and transgender gives the best analysis I've read on the issue - sportsscientists.com/2016/05/hyperandrogenism-women-vs-women-vs-men-sport-qa-joanna-harper/
He has no uterus or ovaries, but testes and male hormone levels, as do the other medal winners in this farcical race. The genuine women did not stand a change against three MEN.
So if she is too fast to be a woman. The 33 year old world record was also ran by a man in 1983. #Handsoffcaster
I am glad Caster is back on the track. She must now go out and restore her status as number 1 800 metre athlete. Go Caster Go. South Africa is behind you.
Caster, you are an inspiration!! So many commenters cannot even pass an Introduction to biology let alone understand the complexity of her case, yet they can say so confidently “she is a man”.
Does she have some masculine characteristics? Sure she does, but to no fault of her own. Her condition is a medical one and not as uncommon as people may think. There are many disorders that can impact secondary sexual characteristics. If she does indeed have this issue, the documentary explains logically how it does not give her an unfair advantage.
"5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5αR2D) is an autosomal recessive condition caused by a mutation in SRD5A2, a gene encoding the enzyme 5α-reductase type 2 (5αR2). The condition is rare, affects only genetic males, and has a broad spectrum."
"not as uncommon as people may think." you guys just lie, lie, lie, lie and think it's normal
A Poem By Maya Angelou _ "like Air ...Still I Rise" . Continue to Rise My Lady. They will oppress you for your glory , yet again...which black person was allowed to greatness without attempts to lay waste to everything we work for? God Gave you this...You Are The Queen Of The Track...keep Rising. We will lay down our hats in salute to you in their faces.
"you try to be in front of me, I jump you"---- I love this WOMAN!
Love your spirit, Kgadi! You know who you are, what more is there to celebrate. Let the critics alone, do yo stuff garl!
it is just a fact that a higher testosteron level gives you a huge advantage. it has nothing to do with gender identification, it is just a fact
Sure, testosterone gives a huge advantage. And being tall gives people an advantage in basketball but are not banned from it. The only question is whether she’s a woman - and if she is, it doesn’t matter what natural genetic advantages she has. What do you call somebody born without a penis? A girl. And they grow up to be women. And some of these women produce more testosterone and can run fast. So what? Sports have never been genetically fair.
When men says they done with you, God says put a period.
Go to the next line.
this brought me to tears really
I love this girl...seriously. I just learned about her last night when I saw her on TV and I just loved her from their on. Honestly my favorite athlete.
Just Keep Running Semenya. That's all you want to do. I can't imagine
how stressful this is, being judged and analyzed.We all have some
biological differences some more than others, but you got to live and do
what you love girl.
Bolt has a genetic advantage so any female out there that has a genetic
advantage should also be left alone to enjoy themselves on the track or whatever they do in life. There is a genetic reason Bolt is the fastest human on the planet; no one complains.
Just because she is really good doesn't mean she shouldn't run with everyone else, no matter her condition. We all get sick or born the way we are. Let her be who she is. She has sisters and brothers and I'm sure her parents did the best to raise her the best as she is and who she is is just who she is and nobody can change that.
There are some males that seem more feminine and the world is not bothering them. Just because you are so fast, people think they should place you where they think. If you were not winning, they wouldn't even care to come and judge your life and who you always been before they saw you are fast you are. You be who you are.
The bottom line is you are faster than most people in this world.
You are as fast as a woman and faster than many men like many Olympic
athletes male or female are. You don't yet hold the world record, so go
get it if you want it; keep training and try to get even faster.
She was born how she was born. Her mum named her who she came out as.
Semenya has a goal and she is focused and that makes her powerful. We
all should go get our own focus and our own power and priorities instead
of criticize her for for trying. Some people don't even try.
The truth is most people or everyone finds flaws on their own body or
character. Semenya is wise enough to accept who she is as who she is and
who God decided she is and she has no problem with it; unlike most
people. You will be a mess if people started calling those flaws (you
think are flaws) out
everyday. You wouldn't be able to stand the pressure. We are all a
mystery when we are born and we must embrace ourselves and let others
embrace themselves best they can. At least she accepts herself and she
runs because she loves it and she can do that on
her own and she is determined to be the best she can be. Not many
people are so focused.
I am pretty sure if she ran for presidency or something people like
males to do and if she was really good at it; people will start telling
her she is a female and they don't want her to rule. They will find
reasons to tell her that she is not a man if she was trying to be a king
and she was good at it.
We humans are a living contradiction.
Many female Olympics athletes are better at many sports than men. Many
males cannot catch the fastest female runners.
If a male was born that had female traits, nobody will complain if that
man competed with males. If Bolt looked and sounded like a female but is
a male, people wouldn't tell him to go run with females. They wouldn't
want the fastest human being to be female.
If a female was born that has masculine traits, people complain that
female is competing with females IF SHE IS REALLY GOOD. If she isn't
good, people wouldn't complain.
Whatever you look like, feel like, your psychology is your business at
the end of the day. We are all a phenomenon. When you get born, you can
come out however and you have to embrace it and roll with it. Her mum
saw a female and called Semenya a female.
It's now unnecessary to try to give her so much stress and depression
because we are not satisfied.
Males experience 5a-reductase 2. Females do not. Caster has 5a-reductase 2. Thus, he is male.
judge not less you be judged. Amen. God bless you caster
Caster Semenya! Much love and respect coming from Jamaica!!! I hope Usain Bolt takes you under his wings and helps you to run even faster.
+Eu787946463 Tj I'm a black girl and this is not about race. People calling Serena Williams is being racist towards black girls but not Caster
pennysmurf thank you for that wonderful comment! From a south African
You are who God says you are Caster,No test can ever change that.keep shining like the star you are God has your back now and forever.❤❣💞
I am angry and upset this is our Caster.
Leave her alone
Wilma Swanepoel if she was British or US athlete this will not be an issue.
“Him”
@@martjie it would be cool to see her run with the men and possibly still be in the top five. I would say let her run but with the men maybe start a few meters ahead of the men.
hi there, if you're reading this and currently feeling down just remember all things are possible if you set your mind to your goal, you got this
Caster's may your dreams come through!! Be strong always 👍👍👍👍
Bravo for Caster and thank you Kuchu Times for sharing this compelling story.
The other absurd thing was how the one coach guy had the nerve to come to his own conclusion of how it wouldn't affect other real female athletes without even asking them.
Thank you for sharing your story Caster. Keep shining, much love!
She is such a legend, all the other athletes just jealous cos she dominates
*he
Women do not have testicles, internal or external.
Keep strong Caster. God will open more doors for you. You've committed no crime. You're a clean woman.
The case of Caster Semenya clearly exposes the dysfunction of IOC and IAAF and their archaic approach. Any woman caught doping to reach that level of strength, which comes natural for Semenya, is banned from the competition.
Clearly $$$ is the reason, nothing else...
people who are caught doping get banned caster is intersex which means she shouldnt be competing with women unless she has lower testosterone levels
I love Caster Semenya vary much.My favorite lady runner
This poor girl! Much love and support Caster
Big her up her grandma and mum strong women who raised a strong women 🤩🤩
The whole world deserves to watch this documentary
"The precise medical name for Caster Semenya’s difference in sexual development, or DSD, is 5-alpha reductase deficiency. It is a condition that influences only male sexual characteristics before birth and during puberty. Those with it have one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, plus testes that may be internal due to the shortage of a hormone, dihydrotestosterone, which can disrupt the formation of external sex organs. In other words, Semenya is 46XY: genetically male."
Yes you people you are treating her unfairly, she was not the one that told God to create her that way..maybe God created her that way because of her running career... So please when you start bringing those contradicted stories about her it means you are correcting God for her creation.. I love semenya and her energy....
#plizz semenya don't stop doing what God has given you, ignore the hater and continue running.
Sammy Nderu God created man and a woman. Don’t insult God!
@@RZA491 your judging don't insult religion. It is people like you who are not believers. You are hypocrites and bigots who hide behind the banner of religion.
@@guam58 absolutely true
I too have the same gift...:.its called being a MAN!
I have read all the comments about Caster, and I have more respect for her because at least she's not trying to be something other than what she is. She is not hiding or lying about her anatomical differences or her preference for women unlike these men who get married and raise kids pretending to be straight only to come out 15 to 20 years later wearing women's clothes and cramming their big rusty feet in women's shoes. Caster has no choice but to be who and what she is because she was born this way, but these other low-down creeps who drag unsuspecting people into webs of lies and fake relationships infecting women with diseases and destroying families can choose to be hetero, homo, or bi. What choice does she have, and is it her fault that her family chose to raise her as a girl if she was really born a boy? The fault is not with her but with the double-standard in society that people use to harass others when they can't comfortably categorize or control them. By the way, all you female haters should look in the mirror because, by some standards, you might not fit the description of a woman either.
This is so touching.....
If only these Internet Warriors would say what they have to same in Casters face. I wish.
I would, idiot
Antek Policjmanster a bitch like you?? hahahaha. OK hahahaha
lol. shut the fuck up piece of shit
Antek Policjmanster ain't happening you ass-wipe
***** or just a strong woman that makes weak ass men like you feel fragile. hahaha.. this is hilarious.
Before anyone judges her, please note that she has not broken the world record for the 800 m and according to the experts, she completes within the normal realm for "women" that have run that race. I encourage everyone who has a comment to take a look at the world record holder at that distance and tell me that she does not have "manly features". Regardless, Caster works her ass off and perhaps instead of complaining about her "advantages", the other athletes should work harder to set a world record themselves. That's what sports and track and field are all about.
The most brilliant female athlete.
This is what excellence is. Every brilliant person has exceptional abilities look at Einstein, Phelps, Bolt... same ingredients they have inherent competitive advantage.
Thats what it is.
As for the IAAF, it is a questionable institution.
semenya is the best
lol love her
Shame to IAAF
For not letting an xy chromosome athlete race against xx chromosome female athletes.
Are you broken?
She has not shown that she is too fast to be a woman, but that her physique, muscle mass and body type deep voice and biology tell us she is most likely to strong, too manly to be a woman.
Alright. I have a voice so low that I am often mistaken for a man over the phone. I gain muscle mass more quickly than most women (without the use of drugs). I'm pretty flat-chested and have a masculine build. And yet my birth certificate and ultrasound photos are clearly marked with FEMALE. Am I "too manly" to be a woman?
I don't know. However, I do know that with testicles and testosterone levels 5-10 higher than an average woman, having Caster (XY Chromosomes) run with biological women (xx chromosome) will destroy women's sport. Perhaps there is another category that she can compete in.
The problem of finding a specific criteria to divide women and men in sports is a very hard complex problem. We must all participate in this discussion without fighting because the answer is not simple and there are many valid arguments, its not just black and white, there are not two sides.
love Semenya. Best ever
So what if she has an 'alleged' genital disorder? What if her built is not what society has deemed "normal"? What if she has a deep voice? What if she is lesbian? None of that matters. Many people fall within one or more of these categories. People just have a problem with these things when they do not suit *them*. Leave Caster be. Let her be proof that one's "deformities" can be advantageous! Congrats Caster!
She's not deformed or disordered as you say. There's nothing "wrong" with her. She should be able to live her life as a woman, marry a woman, get a job as a doctor, bus driver or English professor. But in order to qualify to run in a woman's event you must be able to meet certain criteria. The failure of the sports establishment to clarify or enforce those guidelines has brought us to where we are now. As a result her competitors are at a severe and unfair disadvantage.
Whuuuh! Do you not understand the use of inverted comma's in my statement or you just failed to read? I am not saying she's "deformed", simply quoting what the media says. Deformity is subjective.
Also, the human is complicated being. How does one draw a line as to what is female and what is not? I think it's totally fair, she's female. Period! Those that are complaining are complaining because she is doing much better than her competitors.
She's within the females' world record so why is everyone calling her abilities into question? I repeat, leave Caster be!
Also, I said "alleged", because, again, that's what the media spreads, without any proof
How does one draw a line? For example, this is exactly what they must do to prove eligibility for the Paralympics. You have to have a certain level of disability. Somebody one inch over the height limit is going to have their dream crushed when they are told they can't compete.
This shouldn't be about how the athlete feels or how they "self-identify". A person may see themselves as disabled but ultimately they may not be disabled enough.
You have to give some thought to the other competitors who do meet the standard. They have competed for this Olympic or Paralympic dream for just as long as the ones who are excluded and they shouldn't be unfairly disadvantaged.
Like I said, the human body functions in a very complex manner and differs greatly from person to person.
Caster has been tested and they let her compete because they couldn't find anything solid against her. The people that are trusted to conduct tests and make decisions on questionable athletes saw her fit to compete. It's not just because of how she "self-identifies".
If you have issues with their judgment, maybe you should request to join the board of athletics decision makers...See how that goes
The IAAF should have just had chromosome testing done quietly and dismissed Caster in private if they came back male. Then there's no cover-up and no leaking. Trying to weasel around the rules is what led to the leaking and speculation.
TBA it came up as she’s female like she’s always been
For the past several years, Caster's coach and team have been very wise on when they allow her to race. They know that they can't allow her to dominate especially the Gran Prix/Diamond League international meets where there is a lot of prize money. If they do so they will find that no women will show up to compete with her, and the meet sponsor will not have a women's 800. If you look at her times when she was 18 they are comparable to a good high school boy 800m runner. 1:55-2:00 is pretty typical. Is she male or female? Probably neither. There is a fair amount of gray area in between. Does she have a genetic advantages over 99% of females in International athletics? Undeniably.
What a beautiful pretty girl. Guys stop hating her she is beautiful amazing your just jealous that she wipes your but. And that's from a South African girl go girls
Well shit, I feel am I am a woman. Since I can't cut mustard in a male competiton, I think I will just say I am a woman and compete against females. Clearly, thats a man.
Educate yourself on the variety of conditions known as intersex...
+Eclipse Star still should not be allowed to compete against females. The person could compete against males until there is an intersex division.
bruinsfirst
i agree.
Her body produces testosterone but so do that of many others females. I dnt see y u r complaining. She hasn't broken the world record. So are we to assume tht the current record holder was also a man?
TESTOSTERONE
@Blank L intersex lmfao.
Whats inter sex
@@BoltRunner born with both sets of genitalia
Trey McCain Thank you. I've been trying to read more about this.
Trey McCain Thank you. I've been trying to read more about Caster Semenya
Damn right he is too fast to be a woman. Because he is a xY male, and he knew it ever since puberty, yet still misused unfair advantage by entering Women's athletics. I call him a fraud.
Exactly. When a 'woman is 18 years old and not had a period questions must be asked!
We've got one or two rugby players like this in our WC winning women's rugby team😐
A really heart wrenching documentary with a beautiful ending. So sad that her country's sport union was against her too! Go Caster!
Violet and caster are now married.
Awe!!
José María Odriozola, professor of biochemistry and member of the Directing Council of the IAAF - until September -, came out in defense of the regulations on hyperparathyroidism introduced by the IAAF and explained that the South African Caster Semenya, the most relevant case, "is biologically a man". And when it comes to racing, she has "a huge advantage" over her rivals. "She says the IAAF is against her, but the rules are for everyone. Her case comes from the World Cup in Berlin 2009. She has XY chromosomes, like the men, and then a series of hormonal internal controls that make him hyperogenic. We do not enter his denomination as a woman, but that he is biologically a man, with characteristics, in some aspects, not totally anatomically defining of man, but has an advantage huge, that is why there are competitions of men and women, "he told EFE Odriozola, one of the promoters of the issue being dealt with in the IAAF Board of Directors, in which That takes twenty years.
Caster Semenya all the way! *cleans shoulders*
Them male shoulders!
@@MrAckers75 your micropeen is clearly threatened
x nope trouble is i don’t let facts hurt my feelings
This was on UA-cam find it or go to my Facebook
She's sooooo cool. I wish she was my sister.
It's not anybody's fault that she was born this way, we get it. What we're trying to figure out is if it's fair for this competition. Men can't change being born as male but there's a reason they don't compete against women!
where is the compassion people? These comments are aweful
I feel compassion for rivals too. They have to rival with "testosteronewoman". Doy you remember swimmers from East Germany? This hormone turned them into men.
they took drugs to do that Piotr, Caster doesnt take drugs, The IAAF want her to take drugs to lower her natural testosterone I view that as an abuse
Where is the compassion for the genuine women who trained so hard for four years, only to be beaten by three MEN?
Not men Smiffy but women with high levels of testosterone.They have done nothing wrong yet they are attacked so brutally. I do feel for the other athletes and this needs to be discussed, Lets just allow it to happen with a bit of kindness and compassion and respect for all sides?
+Marco Fabbri Women do NOT have testes.
I have so much respect for her 💕
this woman has gone through a lot
Is sad bra yoh
its a fooking man
Bold! Beautiful! Blessed!
So if usain bolt believed he was a woman, he would be a woman? Makes sense...
yes and he can run with the women and they will pay for his house and school not lol
well Usain Bolt is allowed to have the advantage of being tall and naturally talented, but heaven forbid that someone naturally produces more testosterone
😂😂😂
Oh yes it is forbidden ... by the IAAF, the IOC, and WADA. In fact they banned him initially because taking any type of steroid is illegal and biologically that is what her system has been doing. It is not illegal to be tall, fat short, black or white or any other color. He has testes which produce testosterone that give him a huge advantage over any other women as they don't have testicles. The muscle mass which men produce comes in large part from testosterone. That's why a tall girl won't be as fast as a tall guy. So to be fair he should run with the men and everything would be fine. He can't because if he did his career would be over. He was formerly banned from racing by WADA but reinstated after an avalanche of law suits from the Government of South Africa. I feel sorry for him as an individual but despite that it's unfair to the rest of the women.
Castor is a woman though. She just produces a lot of testosterone. Women produce testosterone as well.
Looked the whole video and it was very emotional love for caster
Uhm, I've seen plenty of WNBA players that look just as manly as her. If you look at her up close in some of the home videos, you can clearly see that she is a women.
he has a male genome and testicules. not a woman
I love you Caster Sememya!!!---kisses and hugs!!!
It seem she is absolutely genotypically, phenotypically and physiologically male with a congenital developmental abnormality of the external genitalia which is nothing unheard of at all to anybody in the medical profession. She clearly benefits from performance advantages due to her masculinized physiology (increased muscle mass, biomechanical advantages due to male skeletal proportions, almost certainly an increased VO2 max as well due to male thoracic cage dimensions and proportions). The complexities here are due to someone with her condition being born in a village in Africa without the complex gender identity issues that now exist in the developed world. Her mannerisms in the video are very masculine as well and I believe had she been born in the developed world this would have been recognized early on and after appropriate medical investigation she would probably have grown up as a boy and this current situation would never have developed in the first place. Would have also avoided her all this disgraceful scrutiny and public discourse over these intensely personal issues.
Very intelligent, even her talks defines her
ohh gosh! the voice alone can tell. its so deep and manly
THanks Captain obvious.
yh
... I have a deep voice too, does that make me male?? duhh
I also have a very deep voice if im kept in a room and i speak many people would think im a man. Some of my friend tease me telling me im somehow a man that doesn't bother me actually so even women have deep voice.
Antoan De Assis Moreira Don't yucky me. Its just my voice but other things im womanly.
everyone is arguing that she wants to be a woman, so let her be a woman ... but she doesn't act like a woman, she doesn't dress like a woman, she married a female, wore male uniform at school ... just in competition she wants to run with women. and having an advantage being a man (she does have male sex organs), that's good for her - but its not for others who compete with her. and saying she can be what she believes to be ... so then an average male runner can decide he's a woman and compete with women and start winning too ...
Lina Al J she is a lesbian for godsake,some lesbians dress like men
Lina Al J is Ellen degenerous (sp)a man?
Is Ellen degenerous a man?
Ellen is a lesbian. But does she have more male hormones? Does she have internal male sex organs? That doesnt matter - cuz theres no male/female category in tv presenting. Thats what in talking about. So if they wanna argue that everyone can chose if theyre a man or a woman then lets just make one category in sports and go back to when women werent even allowed to compete in sports - cuz guess what - women wont even qualify 🤨
And one other thing - if she really is a woman and she wants to compete with women she has a choice - she can reduce her testosterone and thats it. Why does she have such a problem with it? If she really feels like and is a woman, she can do that - it will even benefit her in that sense.
The female USA NBA Basketball player Brittney Griner has a very similar gender issue
That must have been a very difficult time for her, I cannot imagine what went through her head. But authorities do have the right to ask for tests, you can't blame them. Blame those who embarrassed her and hated her for being who she is