Especially the bright blue ones with the bright orange lights on the City Circle. The ones on the Eastern Suburbs line were more of a navy colour with dull orange lights.
Such effective candid views that the everyman would have seen daily, lost forever if not for your efforts in documenting. So grateful for your uploads.
Haha this sort of stuff used to happen all the time. You see how they used to efficiently close the doors & move off - this never happens anymore, in the era of "stand clear doors closing". Ever since someone with a stroller got stuck in the doors, late '90s Stanmore station possibly.
There was a variety of cases that caused them to implement traction and brake interlocking, it was to stop delays apparently as from 2004 to 2006 there was a lot more people using the trains and people would constantly get stuck in them, fall out etc leading to lengthy delays. However, implementing the systems just caused a lot more minor delays, and ever since trains the timetable has required a lot of padding to make up for it. Interestingly enough, most of the problems were because people would get stuck in the doors, if the doors aren't powered at all like on the red rattlers then the problem wouldn't have happened. (You can't get stuck in doors that don't move on their own)
7:32 the signs at the end of each station announcing the next top where brilliant! especially when you were traveling to an area you weren't farmuliar with.
1:00 Jesus those doors opened early! While yes it would improve speed a lot I'm not surprised they ended up putting in Traction Interlocking in all of their trains, quite a safety hazard. Funny to look back at the times where there were no protocols in place and how much dangerous it was until today. Also find it funny that the announcement chime is still the same as is today, never knew it was that old! Thank you for uploading this and other footage too, its like a gold mine!
The same used to happen here in London - but nowadays the same applies as in Sydney - the doors will not open until the train has stopped completely Thanks for watching and commenting!
You've done it again. Once more, thanks for being in the right place at the right time to video all this great footage. You're the next best thing to a time machine!
Nice video. Sydney has changed so much since that video. Look at the empty seats!, even on the weekends now and non peak times the trains are full, and you can see Australians in this video, 90% of the people I see on trains now are foreigners.
The 90% of foreigners are probably all Australian as well. I rarely see tourists on the trains these days. Only recently saw a family from Germany, and some Asian tourists. Most of them don't take the trains.
Most people who are foreigners are looking around or looking at maps, wearing backpacks, not speaking the local language. Non-foreigners may noy speak the local-language, but they are usually listening to music, reading, etc. and know where they are going.
Don't worry OP I know what you mean. You could say the demographic of the passengers has changed. I'd hypothesise a high proportion of the white anglos choose to drive. Aussie white anglos in Sydney in particular feel above everyone else and exclusive and want to separate themselves wherever possible.
I have very vague memories of pre-refurbishment trains, earliest I can remember clearly is 2008 going on what I think were V sets (green seats). I also remember trains along the South Coast Line having an outside compartment between carriages where you could smoke (not legally I think, I was young). Even in the past 2 years, late nights in city, travelling inner-city etc have had me on what seem to be pre-refurbishment Tangaras, or something similar. Cloudy windows, very 80s but familiar. Cool video!
Going on pre refurbishment sets? What a dream. Can’t say the same for my location where most of the sets are either Oscars or the refurbished plum V sets, sometimes you see older sets if it’s for a special event or something along those lines, recently I was walking past the station and it was too late to board but there seemed to be a steam train or a older sort going by, guessing it was a special event that day. God forbid I had low balance on my card. Maybe next time
@cityraildude They were the C-sets (silver trains with candy red/orange livery, built mid-late 80s). They were the hardest most uncomfortable seats in the CityRail network, and were made that way to be vandal proof. They were also the first CityRail trains to have seats that couldn't be reversed. Tangara's followed on this trend but used a much softer material. C-sets remain in the fleet but they re-upholstered the seats to blue and removed candy livery from front.
Skip school and you could go anywhere in Sydney on an old cardboard school trainpass! In the late 80s early 90s! Awesome! Still a bit worried they would check where I lived since it was written on the pass.
I'd forgotten how drab that buff coloured panelling in unrefurbed S/R sets had become by this stage. The yellow used in the 2nd batch of K sets today looks hideous! Don't worry about cropped corners, were lucky to actually have this footage to watch at all!
I remember changing trains at Sydenham to get to Circular Quay way back in December 1988 on the East Hills line. I thought the yellow interior K sets with beclawat windows looked pretty cool. The beclawat windows, brown seats and cream interiors gave the R and S sets more of a raw feel and combined with timber sleepers on the tracks and no continuous welded railing (CWR) the experience back in the 1980s and early 1990s was completely different as opposed to the case today. Especially the clickety clack sound of the trains transiting over crossovers.
What about the lights failing and coming back on? This seemed to happen particularly when heading outbound from Central along those multi level tracks.
Grear footage. The s sets with original windows were cooler in temperature with the original windows than the hopper windows. Also the weird yellow k set a/c interiors that some v sets had, interesting to compare the spacious s set interior with the cramped k set interor due to the ventilation system taking up space. The original k set forced ventiation didnt do much, when they converted to aircon and sealed windows they were some of the best a/c for summer, up there with tangara a/c. Jm
@cityraildude I think because they're cheaper to make/install. It wasn't until 1994 when the Tangara G-set was deployed that CityRail went back to reversible seats, though they were an outer-suburban set so that doesn't really count. It wasn't until 2002 when the Millennium train was deployed that a true Sydney suburban train went back to reversible seats.
as a 90s teen traveling all over the city and the south coast lines i wished the trains were still like this, much more comfy than the things they have these days.... i guess they made them like that so people don't sleep on them anymore.... shame really....
@ForzaIV back in those days it was accepted practise... there are things in place today to stop the train from powering or moving if the doors are opened during travel
Wish they still had those red rattlers just so I could open the doors and hang out, never been in one as I was born in 94. Hate these new trains which are either stuffy with aircon, or the old crappy trains which you die from heat in summer cause those doors are automated
Ha, I was to young to really remember the Single Red Rattlers, I can remember in the vestibule area they had a lamp hanging down on a wire, The doors didn't close, I can remember Seats all over the tracks... Good stuff mate, I try to avoid going by train now days as its way to over crowded, Spot the Aussie now!
old skool plus feels like a New York City Subway Train but I know where in Sydney & datz where Project Gotham Racing 2 was made & Sydney is the East Coast of Australia & I sure love been in Sydney
At 13:19 interesting how that was the old interior. I also noticed that the door chimes are the same but there was no "doors closing please stand clear" announcements. What was that stock name called?
@ForzaIV I guess no big deal when a percentage of trains didn't even have automatic doors (and people just left them open all the time). Still, there's no way you'd see that in these "stand clear doors closing" days.
@MrChowTheTroll I was only 2 when the Tangara's were released in 1988, Just waiting for a Non Control Car for the Tangara to come up in Railcorp / cityrails Tender for Decomission So I can sit one on a block of land (had a mate Professionly Draft plan's To turn one into a 2 bedroom House, Suprisinly it'll have more room to play with then people think on the interior 2 bedrooms (upstairs), bathroom / laundry, Nice size kitchen in the vestibules lounge room downstairs plenty of space with a deck
I have no idea... even though I filmed this several decades ago I never got to know why they made so much noise whilst the doors were open. Possibly it was to alert the blind that the doors were open.
Some person with a stroller got stuck in the doors and they implemented the dwell time increaser known as traction interlocking. Basically the train cannot release it's breaks until the doors are fully closed and locked. It means trains can wait on a platform for 5-11 seconds longer now then they did then. This is the real reason why dwell times are so high.
6:01 the old fashioned "light bulb" indicators! Loved them.
Especially the bright blue ones with the bright orange lights on the City Circle. The ones on the Eastern Suburbs line were more of a navy colour with dull orange lights.
Such effective candid views that the everyman would have seen daily, lost forever if not for your efforts in documenting. So grateful for your uploads.
Haha this sort of stuff used to happen all the time.
You see how they used to efficiently close the doors & move off - this never happens anymore, in the era of "stand clear doors closing". Ever since someone with a stroller got stuck in the doors, late '90s Stanmore station possibly.
There was a variety of cases that caused them to implement traction and brake interlocking, it was to stop delays apparently as from 2004 to 2006 there was a lot more people using the trains and people would constantly get stuck in them, fall out etc leading to lengthy delays. However, implementing the systems just caused a lot more minor delays, and ever since trains the timetable has required a lot of padding to make up for it.
Interestingly enough, most of the problems were because people would get stuck in the doors, if the doors aren't powered at all like on the red rattlers then the problem wouldn't have happened.
(You can't get stuck in doors that don't move on their own)
7:32 the signs at the end of each station announcing the next top where brilliant! especially when you were traveling to an area you weren't farmuliar with.
Its something that I've not seen anywhere else - nowadays many trains have electronic information displays which serve the same purpose
1:00 Jesus those doors opened early! While yes it would improve speed a lot I'm not surprised they ended up putting in Traction Interlocking in all of their trains, quite a safety hazard. Funny to look back at the times where there were no protocols in place and how much dangerous it was until today. Also find it funny that the announcement chime is still the same as is today, never knew it was that old! Thank you for uploading this and other footage too, its like a gold mine!
The same used to happen here in London - but nowadays the same applies as in Sydney - the doors will not open until the train has stopped completely
Thanks for watching and commenting!
You've done it again. Once more, thanks for being in the right place at the right time to video all this great footage. You're the next best thing to a time machine!
Nice video. Sydney has changed so much since that video. Look at the empty seats!, even on the weekends now and non peak times the trains are full, and you can see Australians in this video, 90% of the people I see on trains now are foreigners.
"Australians"
The 90% of foreigners are probably all Australian as well. I rarely see tourists on the trains these days. Only recently saw a family from Germany, and some Asian tourists. Most of them don't take the trains.
Most people who are foreigners are looking around or looking at maps, wearing backpacks, not speaking the local language. Non-foreigners may noy speak the local-language, but they are usually listening to music, reading, etc. and know where they are going.
Don't worry OP I know what you mean. You could say the demographic of the passengers has changed. I'd hypothesise a high proportion of the white anglos choose to drive. Aussie white anglos in Sydney in particular feel above everyone else and exclusive and want to separate themselves wherever possible.
I have very vague memories of pre-refurbishment trains, earliest I can remember clearly is 2008 going on what I think were V sets (green seats). I also remember trains along the South Coast Line having an outside compartment between carriages where you could smoke (not legally I think, I was young).
Even in the past 2 years, late nights in city, travelling inner-city etc have had me on what seem to be pre-refurbishment Tangaras, or something similar. Cloudy windows, very 80s but familiar.
Cool video!
Going on pre refurbishment sets? What a dream. Can’t say the same for my location where most of the sets are either Oscars or the refurbished plum V sets, sometimes you see older sets if it’s for a special event or something along those lines, recently I was walking past the station and it was too late to board but there seemed to be a steam train or a older sort going by, guessing it was a special event that day. God forbid I had low balance on my card. Maybe next time
thanks for the memories, I like to look back at stuff like this
@cityraildude They were the C-sets (silver trains with candy red/orange livery, built mid-late 80s). They were the hardest most uncomfortable seats in the CityRail network, and were made that way to be vandal proof. They were also the first CityRail trains to have seats that couldn't be reversed. Tangara's followed on this trend but used a much softer material. C-sets remain in the fleet but they re-upholstered the seats to blue and removed candy livery from front.
Skip school and you could go anywhere in Sydney on an old cardboard school trainpass! In the late 80s early 90s! Awesome! Still a bit worried they would check where I lived since it was written on the pass.
"Oh!" So greatfull for the reminder of the sounds.
Gives an authentic feeling how traveling by this trains is like
Man the old Tangras took off fast from the platform when departing.
City rail is pure chaos and I love it!
I'd forgotten how drab that buff coloured panelling in unrefurbed S/R sets had become by this stage. The yellow used in the 2nd batch of K sets today looks hideous!
Don't worry about cropped corners, were lucky to actually have this footage to watch at all!
I remember changing trains at Sydenham to get to Circular Quay way back in December 1988 on the East Hills line. I thought the yellow interior K sets with beclawat windows looked pretty cool. The beclawat windows, brown seats and cream interiors gave the R and S sets more of a raw feel and combined with timber sleepers on the tracks and no continuous welded railing (CWR) the experience back in the 1980s and early 1990s was completely different as opposed to the case today. Especially the clickety clack sound of the trains transiting over crossovers.
What about the lights failing and coming back on? This seemed to happen particularly when heading outbound from Central along those multi level tracks.
Can tell the Comengs a mile away by their hissing and noisy compressors - they sound just like the ones here in Melbourne :P.
I noticed the train doors opened before it actually stopped and still a bit open when it started moving.
thats how things were done in those days!
I miss the red rattlers! Thanks for this great video. It’s almost like being there - I’m writing from California and some 40 years remove.
Grear footage. The s sets with original windows were cooler in temperature with the original windows than the hopper windows. Also the weird yellow k set a/c interiors that some v sets had, interesting to compare the spacious s set interior with the cramped k set interor due to the ventilation system taking up space. The original k set forced ventiation didnt do much, when they converted to aircon and sealed windows they were some of the best a/c for summer, up there with tangara a/c. Jm
I remember those indicator boards. They were replace prior to the Olympics
@cityraildude I think because they're cheaper to make/install. It wasn't until 1994 when the Tangara G-set was deployed that CityRail went back to reversible seats, though they were an outer-suburban set so that doesn't really count. It wasn't until 2002 when the Millennium train was deployed that a true Sydney suburban train went back to reversible seats.
13:32 That happens to me too. Thank god they removed that in the recent interior upgrades.
Looks like North Sydney, train bound for Penrith (from the indicators).
Ghost seat 4:48
Probably the train changing speeds did that
@@AussieGunzel No, I think it was turned manually, but you can't see who did it becuase it's out of the photo view.
as a 90s teen traveling all over the city and the south coast lines i wished the trains were still like this, much more comfy than the things they have these days.... i guess they made them like that so people don't sleep on them anymore.... shame really....
Miss the old red rattlers 😞
08:24 yeah, we'll unjam the doors while we're accelerating...
Such practises were normal then
@@smophie6260 ye I can tell
Those silver tin cans were putrid, sweaty, stank of urine and occasionally one pulls up today and I wait for the next one.
@ForzaIV back in those days it was accepted practise... there are things in place today to stop the train from powering or moving if the doors are opened during travel
Wish they still had those red rattlers just so I could open the doors and hang out, never been in one as I was born in 94. Hate these new trains which are either stuffy with aircon, or the old crappy trains which you die from heat in summer cause those doors are automated
Steve Tici its the same everywhere, stuffy trains, automated doors, fixed windows which you cannot see out of at night...
Ha, I was to young to really remember the Single Red Rattlers, I can remember in the vestibule area they had a lamp hanging down on a wire, The doors didn't close, I can remember Seats all over the tracks... Good stuff mate, I try to avoid going by train now days as its way to over crowded, Spot the Aussie now!
@Trainspotter16
Sorry, I'm not sure / dont remember.
Great old days best trains and no one with heads in 📱 PHONES!!!!!
without mobile communications it was a different world - in many ways the trains were better too!
@@CitytransportInfoplus 100%👌🏻
old skool
plus feels like a New York City Subway Train but I know where in Sydney & datz where Project Gotham Racing 2 was made & Sydney is the East Coast of Australia
& I sure love been in Sydney
lol, i remember the time when the tangaras were the newest trains......
I just miss the empty platforms and trains. Way too many people here now
its the same everywhere - in almost all big cities
At 13:19 interesting how that was the old interior. I also noticed that the door chimes are the same but there was no "doors closing please stand clear" announcements. What was that stock name called?
It's a Tangara train
@ForzaIV I guess no big deal when a percentage of trains didn't even have automatic doors (and people just left them open all the time). Still, there's no way you'd see that in these "stand clear doors closing" days.
No dislikes? Very cool with over 100 likes without any dislikes that's a new world record!
UA-cam doesn't show dislikes, only likes.
Some carriages had no air conditioning just open windows
2:41 is that the Candy VSET interior?
Sorry but my knowledge of Australian trains is not good enough for me to say 'yes' or 'no'
Correct!
@MrChowTheTroll I was only 2 when the Tangara's were released in 1988, Just waiting for a Non Control Car for the Tangara to come up in Railcorp / cityrails Tender for Decomission So I can sit one on a block of land (had a mate Professionly Draft plan's To turn one into a 2 bedroom House, Suprisinly it'll have more room to play with then people think on the interior 2 bedrooms (upstairs), bathroom / laundry, Nice size kitchen in the vestibules lounge room downstairs plenty of space with a deck
@ForzaIV looks like it, yes!
Which year was this filmed?
Also this was better with the speed of the text but I couldn't see the station names!
March 1991
cheers
That's what i want to know too. Wonder what station had blue tile
The door opens before the train actually stops 1:00
1:05
Trains back then didn't have traction interlocking fitted, which meant the train could move with the doors open.
What train had the red seats and why did they change it?
1:33 You forgot your flash drive!
flash drive? These were Star Trek science fiction in those days
Looked like North Sydney Trainspotter16
@slugnbozo
Thanks!
@slugnbozo
Why no reversable seats?
what no doors on that old train by the way what they called
13:00 why do the old tangaras always keep beeping
I have no idea... even though I filmed this several decades ago I never got to know why they made so much noise whilst the doors were open. Possibly it was to alert the blind that the doors were open.
citytransportinfo That's what I thought, Because its the same with the 4D Trains in Melbourne
9:35 YESSSSS!
12:10 BOOOOO!
What station is it at on the 6min mark?
I think it might be Circular Quay but I could be wrong.
North Sydney maybe
@slugnbozo
Oh okay!
Dangerous this train while moving to closing the doors!! 😧
passengers new the dangers - they took responsibility for their safety, people did *not* fall out the trains!
That was normal back then
@@smophie6260 Huh?!! 😧
how come they don't start departing with the doors open now?
Some person with a stroller got stuck in the doors and they implemented the dwell time increaser known as traction interlocking. Basically the train cannot release it's breaks until the doors are fully closed and locked. It means trains can wait on a platform for 5-11 seconds longer now then they did then. This is the real reason why dwell times are so high.
9:51 what is that object on the left? It looks like a dog.
4:47 who did that
me - wanting to demonstrate the walkover seat backs!
the footage looks fake ngl.
nkuo.