The Future of Sydney Metro: An Animated Evolution
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2022
- Sydney's massive train network is growing, in the form of Sydney Metro. First announced in 2012, the Sydney Metro is the first fully-automated rapid transit system in Australia’s history. It will be open at its full extent by the year 2030, with 46 stations spread out across 113 kilometres of track. But if metro planners have their way, that will be just the beginning. A metro to UNSW? The long-awaited construction of the Epping to Parramatta rail link? A massive new metro hub at Kogarah? A metro station for Bondi Beach? All that is just the tip of the iceberg. This is the story of the Sydney Metro's ever-continuing evolution, and the plans the government have for the network by the year 2056.
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As referenced in the video, there are three primary sources released by the government that I used to determine the future of Sydney's Metro network. This map is strictly not a fantasy map; every line and station I have conveyed has its roots in one of the three government sources that I found. These sources can be found on my website at this link: roadsaustralia.weebly.com/sou...
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Hey all! I've received some comments citing that three specific lines that I put in my map (all towards the end of the video) are NOT planned as Metro lines, but instead more likely as bus rapid transit.
- Campbelltown to Wollongong
- Northern Beaches
- Liverpool to Western Sydney Airport
Now, the source I used to include these three lines was not very clear that these lines are not planned as Metro lines, which is why I included them. However, upon second look I have deduced that these lines do indeed appear to be planned as bus rapid transit, not Metro. I'd like to apologise over this inaccuracy; I'll do better research next time, as I would sincerely like to set a precedent for thorough research on this channel.
Indeed, as many have pointed out, a Metro seems unlikely in many of the corridors I've included, let alone by 2056. But this video exists to list ALL of the government's proposals regardless of their feasibility or likelihood of construction. Do I actually believe the network would look like this in 2056? God I wish 😆. (Let's hope that as many of them are built as possible, though! I try to hope...)
I'll discuss actual feasibility in a future video.
Thanks for watching!
Incredible work nonetheless, I think 2056 is a long way off. Plans change and some get fast tracked depending on demand and which urban precincts are growing faster.
I remember years ago before metro was even a thing in Sydney, there were plans to extend Bondis heavy rail to Bondi Beach. Although costs for tunneling then were prohibitive. Fast forward a few decades and its now feasible to tunnel in most circumstances. I'm sure the costs of tunnel boring will continue to drop further. I would be surprised if many of these eastern suburb projects aren't accelerated by the mid 2030s. Sydney is growing fast and set to reach over 7 million sometime by the late 2030s. With a projected 6.1M by 2030. Currently sitting on 5.3M to 5.5M depending on who you ask on a good day ^^.
By the way have you heard of Transport Vlog and Big Jaydog Adventures? Both offer their own brand of intel on the changing face of Sydney. One focuses on deep analysis of current metro construction, while the other are more drone recordings for a birds eye view on construction sites, especially for Parramatta and the Sydney CBD. Both quite insightful in their own way.
By the way amazing content, you got yourself a fan. Just wondering what software you used for this, it looks so well done! Keep up the good work. I would like to see more of a future planned public transport expose on other Australian cities in future. Like Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. Look forward to your next instalment. Cheers.
Thanks for the clarification
I think a great video to be made could be the failed Maldon - Dombarton line, a futuristic electrified line from around Picton all the way to Unanderra. Quite a lot was constructed, but it was canned halfway through. There could be quite a case for it to be used for a metro line, or at least an intercity train service.
LIVING IN CAMPBELLTOWN FOR 56 YEARS BEEN PRONISSE FOR RAIL SERVICE TO APPIN FROM CAMPBELLTOWN TOO MANY STATE GOVERNMENT OVER YEARS AS TALKING FAR BACK IN 1960 FURTHER RAILWAY SERVICE IN NSW
@@griffinrails the Mn-Db line was a single track line with both way working and a passing loop in the middle,
designed to remove coal and grain trains, from the suburban rail lines.
Aims, to reduce congestion and complex working procedures for large trains on a passenger line, to reduce maintenance/frequency and costs.
Freight/Coal trains have to travel along the main western line/Greenacre-Sydenham junction then along the Illawarra lines to Wollongong.
6 trains per day in each direction from Lithgow collieries, a substantial number of trains with Copper Concentrate from Cadia.
Grains from the central west.
This line needs to be completed urgently.
As a local of Sydney can't wait to see how much is not build or half done like they always do
Stop voting out state governments then, they have only got so much done recently because they have stayed in power for over 10 years. These projects take a long time to plan, contract and build. Sadly more time than 1 term in office allows in many cases.
They are spending 8 billion a year on Metros and have been accused of overengineering the network, I have faith it will be awesome
I doubt much can be built on time and under budget lol. I lived long enough in australia and nsw to learn many of these projects were at various stages of planning and viability studies for decades. THE Joke was viability study busineses are an integral department of the govs corruption kick back system.
When u saw how just small modification and flood control work on henry rowson drive took nearly a year and still hasnt finish, then an on ramp intersections modifcation of m4 parramatta road entrance took nearly six months. then u saw the inflated land buy back for patch of dirt for the airport.
u too will lost hope.
@@jackau08Did North West Metro on time and on budget. Got the majority of Westconnex on budget and relatively on time and that's like 30km of tunnels. I understand the frustration but sometimes it really just does take that long for things to go through the process - it's not like they press a button and construction workers roll up to the job site, mate.
@@blue-pi2kt these projects were on the table since early 2000s and cost for them went three fold when they were executed. Just on the news last few weeks that sections of M8 now delay to earliest in march 2023 and yes thats very very ontime lol. No need to give execuse for failures of project management and poor corrupt govs.
Seeing UNSW on the map reminded me of a time when the Eastern Suburbs railway was planned to reach UNSW by 1974.
replaced by lightrail
LOL, you reckon you will get to use it in 2056?
@@ChengHe-zv6sowho tf used light rail
My 9-year-old son is obsessed with the trains in Sydney and especially your videos! He watches this one every day. Thank you for all that you do!
Your 9-year-old has no life and worse- no future.
I likely your video series. I have also come across several video series, but they have a strong North American focus, so nice to have an Australian series.
Sydney's population has grown from 4.39 million in 2011 to 5.36 million in 2021. London's population in 2021 was 9 million. If Sydney isn't to end up like Los Angeles with their traffic problems, then there is only one solution, more public transport. In 1991, Sydney had a population of 3.67 million, and in 2001, Sydney had a population of 3.95 million. As you can see, Sydney no longer has the luxury of not building more Metro/Train lines. Doing nothing will be political suicide; NSW Labor has learnt that the hard way.
The driverless Metro system offers some key benefits over other systems; the most important one is rapid transport running at around 62 km/h (this includes station stops). The Metro systems encourage transit-oriented development. You can already see this at Tallowood, Rouse Hill, Norwest, Hills Showground, Castle Hill and Macquarie Park. The most significant change is probably Hills Showground; it has gone from your traditional suburb development to well on its way to a transit-oriented one. With Norwest and Macquarie Park are turning into a combination of business enterprise and high-rise development mixed into together.
I believe that Transport for NSW is adopting the London model. The Heavy Rail will act the same way as the London Overground, and the Metro will act the same way as the London Tube. The Metro will provide Sydney with cross-town links.
I also believe that the Light Rail/Trackless Trams will play a key role around Parramatta CBD and Sydney CBD. The Light Rail/Trackless Trams can key bus routes with high capacity levels. Sydney is going with a model with larger gaps between the Metro stations and using buses and the Light Rail to fill the gaps between stations. You can see that model with the North West Metro already.
You're right; I never thought of our system like the Overground/Underground, but it certainly does seem similar. I do very much hope our system gets built to this extent, or at least a similar one, although I must confess I fear it is too optimistic. At least the government has bold plans, and a proper vision; it remains to be seen if they'll do what's needed to realise that vision.
@@BuildingBeautifully Optimism is the word. The government refuses to even merely commit where there is high existing demand: Carlingford to Epping. There is massive residential development in Carlingford concentrated around the station already with even more under constrction, but residents who wish to travel to Macquarie Park, Chatswood or even the CBD are ignored.
Shame about the lack of care for a line to the Northern beaches. Anyone who drives between mona vale and the city knows how badly it is needed!
Give them a freeway - that's what they want. Just don't let them into the city.
@@jack2453 they cancelled the tunnel 😂
The area's probably already too built up and developed for any new development, so I doubt they'll get a line. Plus, the NIMBYs in that area would fight tooth and nail to stop any rail proposals. Nonetheless, I definitely agree that they need one!
It would have been better to build the city Western Metro station under St James,
a far more cost effective, shorter and straighter route to Pyrmont and no buildings to demolish.
The new City Station here could could also provide a cost free Northern Beaches terminus.
Then it could proceed under the Domain via a hard rock tunnel under the harbour,
to North Sydney (little Walker St/Arthur St) an underground people mover to Victoria Cross then
to the Northern Beaches with stations at Neutral Bay, Mosman, Medusa St,
a bridge 45 Metres over the Spit to stations at Seaforth, Manly Vale, Brookvale, Dee Why, Collaroy Plateau, Narrabeen, Warriewood and Mona Vale.
It's going to make the metro twice the cost with more than twice the benefits.
Stations also need to be built at Silverwater and Rosehill,
adding 5 minutes to travel time isn't going to harm the project it's going to improve it's viability.
@@kcobley Wherever it is, the Parramatta metro needs more than one CBD station. All good suggestions - reinforcing the fact that even though it will cost $BILLIONS, there are so many missed opportunities.
Love your video! I'm craving some more Australian representation in the urbanist youtube space. There is so much focus on Urbanism in North America and Europe, and a small amount of Asia - we need more content from the Southern Hemisphere.
I'm a Sydney resident and I have a love/hate relationship with my city - but this makes me absolutely proud to live here and we have so much to look forward to in the future.
Please keep making videos!
Thank you! I will keep making videos for sure haha. Urbanism is a complex topic, one that I myself am slowly learning with every new video I make, but I really am trying to bring a fresh Sydney/Australian perspective to UA-cam's Urbanism content. The government's metro vision makes me proud too, and even though the inner cynic in me says many of its lines may never be built...I think it's nice to hope!
We need good content, not more for the sake of it. Building Beautiful's consideration of issues beyond trains to land use as well is delivering on this need.
"I'm a Sydney resident and I have a love/hate relationship with my city"
Don't we all!
Imagine flying into Sydney for the first time and your first stop St Mary's 😂
LoL their first impression of Sydney would be "hand over your wallet c**t or I'll stab ya."
well it was that or penrith, to be fair i'd rather penrith lol
You are an absolute GEM! The best end of year UA-cam discovery for me!
Personally, I reckon the extensions for the existing 3 metro lines should be the priority before the other new lines go ahead. These extensions being: Tallawong to St Mary’s (to provide the missing link from northwest Sydney to Western Sydney Airport); Westmead to WSA (to provide the direct missing link from both the Sydney and Parramatta CBDs to the new airport); and Bankstown to Liverpool (to provide a faster link between Liverpool and the Sydney CBD). Once these critical extensions are built, they will complete the basic skeletal structure of the Sydney Metro map, and from there new lines and other extensions can be built. This would be the most logical way to do it in my opinion.
I agree; I really hope they get approved and built soon.
All great suggestions
Fancy new stuff gets more attention and votes sadly. In Mumbai we'd rather convert some of our existing connecting rail lines into double electric lines to run local trains on but the Govt. would rather spend 10× that amount on metro lines that run parallel to existing local train main lines.
@Anime: Any work on Mumbai local line would cause disruptions on over-stretched Mumbai local network and to get Metro’s efficiency, you have invest millions of dollars/rupees on track and signaling. Mumbai metro serves a nice alternative to crowded Mumbai and connects places hitherto unconnected.
They have already started off on the wrong foot. The line to the Airport from St marys will be AC and if the line is extended from Tallawong to St Marys it is DC, so all out all change, no seamless straight through.
Awesome video mate. Well done! Hope I live long enough to see some of this!!! Haven't been to Sydney for 3 years now thanks to CV but have ridden the current Metro line and it's awesome!
Great video! Well paced, informative, easy to understand. Started to binge watch other videos on your channel and think you information about mass transit and suburbs (particularly Sydney) is interesting.
I note you have one about Eastwood.
Would be great to have you do a collab with other channels like RMTransit
Happy to hear you're enjoying it!! Trying to provide interesting content about as many unexplored topics in Sydney as I can, and I'm always happy to hear that people are enjoying my channel.
A collab is a very bold idea...maybe not too soon, but I'll save that for the future!
Bloody INSANE!!! Thankyou for putting this together. Shame I'll be almost 65 when it's supposed to be finished, however I hope I'm very much alive to experience it. Wow
Like the intercity trains, new Ferries and George Street Tram could be a vast disappointment
Lucky you! I'll be almost 115! 😁
@@ourjeffie Going by the revelations being bought out by the State Opposition on the Metro, that could be a oretty accurate time frame
@@ourjeffie I'll over 100 too so I don't think I'll be getting much use out of some of these lines. But it is good to see after using and seeing the benefits of many of the metros and trams overseas.
YEP I was thinking this will be great if they can get it done, then realised I will be nearly 100 if all goes to plan lol.
Brilliant summary, will be sharing on my LinkedIn. Cheers
This is grade A content! Brilliant work!!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :))
@@BuildingBeautifully have you seen Ashley Rabot’s channel from the Uk? You’re like an Australian version of him!
Awesome video! Very clear any easy to understand thanks
Hey, I really feel that you should do a video on the impact that proper protected bike lanes could have on transportation in Sydney, particularly their usefulness in feeding more people onto heavy rail, metro, and bus rapid transit networks. One improvement Sydney is soon making is the bike lane ramp to the Sydney habour bridge.
Seen this today. Great overview of the Metro lines and it would be great to see its completion one day.
Awesome. Good video :) I have liked and subscribed.
Gave you a subscribe, I love trains and our Sydney network - although it causes me more anger mostly. Thank you for making this 🤘🏻
Good video bro Keep it up 👍🏾
Great video, subscribed 👍
A line from Bankstown to Sutherland via Padstow and Menai would be cool
thats one i would like to see but extended to parramatta too, it would be ideal for south east to west as currently youd have to go the wolli creek and it would be great for menai and bangor, making them less car dependant
Love the content. It's great to finally see so what potentially could happen as an end result of these metro lines once completed but a final date of 2056, 34 years from now is really disappointing.
I think that is an estimate given by NSW Transport, but the reality is as soon as Bankstown is online, as well as the new Sydney Metro West by 2029/30, the eastern suburbs portion will dominate the 2030s and 40s. I think we may get 2 eastern suburbs to airport lines built simultaneously. So maybe more like mid to late 2030s before we get a Randwick to Maroubra metro from the city. The east is set to change dramatically by then
Depends on how the Bankstown to Chatswood line goes. Should go with a bang initially, but issues I have outlined will make it increasingly unpopular
@@robertryan7204 and what issues are those?
@@marcozolo3536 Marco there is Transport for Sydney Vlog that details some issues related to this.
( 1) Cost, usually rising( 2)Use of a Metro when Heavy Rail is more comfortable for long distances especially replacing a heavy rail line with an inadequate Metro. (3) Trams very slow and far from flexible, Govt seems to love these, but as that Clunker running down George St and that ridiculous folly in Newcastle better solutions around( 4)where will the population of Sydney be in 2056?
@@robertryan7204 I appreciate your zeal in the matter. However speaking more for my region of the eastern suburbs, places like Maroubra, Randwick, UNSW and Kingsford are woefully mismatched for above ground heavy suburban rail. Especially since these are built up areas that only tunnel boring routes could service.
Metro would be more fitting since the distances between growing high density suburbs are close. The double decker Tangara trains are also way too slow and cumbersome to serve these routes efficiently.
Of course I might be completely wrong when talking about the other places you mentioned. But just thought I'd give you my 2c about my neck of the woods.
Sydney is projected to reach over 8 million people by the 2050s, that's present day London levels. Even tipping 6 million people by the early 2030s.
Great video mate, super informative! I'll eat my hat though if Bondi and Coogee ever get stations
Nah... wont happen
Ever..
You know what happens when you come home from a day at the beach and have sand in the car and have to vacumn it out?
Imagine the train carriages after a day at the beach, nightmare...
And the smell of coconut oil...
Monday to Friday commuters will start thinking they've moved to the Bahamas!
@@nolesy34 It wouldn't be that bad, Brighton Beach Station (and to an extent Sandringham) in Melbourne service huge amounts of people going to the beach in summer and it's never been an issue.
@@Gunyoro what about the junkies tho. Lots of junkies would take their dirty needles to beach and then do ..junkie things... like having the audacity to talk to me outside chapel nightclub and ruining my high... what's that on my nose? Must be snowing brrrrr 🥶
@@nolesy34 its not that bad, as someone who lives not too far away from cronulla you dont see too much mess from beachgoers
@@JayJayGamerOfficial they have some respect, that's good and they should, such a beautiful place
I can say nothing but big WOW ....
Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
I think you may have misinterpreted the ‘City-Serving Network’ plan/vision. The Northern Beaches and Coogee lines are BRT and a light rail extension I believe. (Of course, I’d prefer Metro)
Beautiful graphics and well put together video. Look forward to more.
There are also other proposed BRT lines that are shown here as metro, like Liverpool to Western Sydney Airport and Campbelltown to Appin and Wollongong. It's great graphics but Building Beautifully needs to revisit those studies and remove the lines that aren't proposed to be metro.
if that's the case, the northern beaches one already exists (b-line)
@@lorenzostransportvlogs I'm sure by the 2030s there will be at least plans revealed about a proper northern beaches metro. Probably by the time work commences on having two beaches from the eastern suburbs (Bondi beach & Coogee beach) added to the network
Woah….this is AMAZING
This would be INSANELY great. Hopefully the metro map will look like this one day. Love from your Big sister, Melbourne 😘
Cannot wait to see this
Pretty big eastern suburbs focus. Randwick will be like a little central station.
I noticed that too. Hopefully it will get the proper smart urban development to go with it. It feels like a cluttered version of Fremantle currently with trams.
I grew up in Greystanes (now living on the Gold Coast). I’d like to see the Metro from Westmead swing around to new stations at Pemulwuy (bordering the west of Greystanes) then to Wetherill Park, then west to Cecil Hills, Kemps Creek then meeting with Airport Terminal. Be good for those areas!
Agreed! I made a fantasy map which saw the line following a route similar to this. Maybe I'll make a video of that map one day :))
They should do (Meriton Hotel/Westfield) Bondi Junction, Randwick Junction, Maroubra Junction, Westfield Eastgardens, Malabar, La Perouse, Maroubra, Kings ford and so on with that line.. It would make more sence to make it wrap around the lower part of the Eastern Suburbs.
Currently only buses operate which just isnt enough.
Or (Train line continued from:) Bond Juntion, Randwick Junction, Westfield East Gardens, Mascot, Domestic SYD, International SYD and so on..
Great Video, Thanks!
Thanks, good content
Very interesting great job!
Corrections:
Chatswood to Sydenham is actually being planned to be opened early 2023 then the Sydenham to Bankstown in 2024.
Thank you! I do believe you're right about that, good to hear it's ahead of schedule!
Where did you see this?
@@anonymous-37 Transport Vlog on You Tube, Paul has done some great updates in his videos
That’s good. Looking forward to that.
I doubt that as it currently stands. 2024 seems likely.
Hello from Toronto. Like our sister city in the southern hemisphere, we're also undergoing a massive rail growth period, although I'm quite impressed to the extent that's happening in Sydney.
To be fair, many of these proposals may not be built. They're just proposals, but the government IS technically aiming to build these by 2056. It remains to be seen what will happen!
The government is planning to keep up with the expected population doubling by 2070. All of this rail is basically mandatory to keep the city going at that point, probably more. The only rail lines that I have my doubts about being built are the ones to Bondi Beach, meroubra, further south and the Northern beaches. All of these are very NIMBY areas which are famous for trying to keep away those from out of town.
This is a vast improvement & extension of the suburban networ.from when I lived in Sydney in the late 1980s!.
I looked on the metro website, and it suggests that the travel time between Chatswood and Barangaroo is about 10 minutes. That's half of the current train travel time. Very nice!
Great Video!! Is there a location tagged for the Zetland station at this stage?
Some very interesting extensions and link ups mentioned within the future Metro plans...will be very interesting to see if future Governments hold on to these plans...or shelve them in the too hard or too costly basket...as they invariably do...but to aid Sydney's growth and expansion...the rail system has to move outwards to cater for these already busy area's where the roads infrastructure is poorly lacking...the Northern Rd upgrade from Penrith to Narellan recently completed will be outdated by the time the WSA opens in 2026...the Government need not just visions for well beyond the completion date/s of upcoming projects...but action to build them to allow for growth contingencies...why build two lanes when a third constructed at the same time will be cheaper than in the future...and show that they mean business of opening up the outer areas of Sydney, but with the infrastructure to match.
Great video as always Sharath...looking forward to many more 😁😁😁😁
I had no idea so much was planned or proposed! I would love to see it done and Sydney is going to need it, but it has one massive hurdle... The New South Wales State Government both the coalition or Labour don't have a good track record for major infrastructure projects like this for example the second airport should have been built years ago, the only time they seemed to get things done was leading up to the Sydney Olympics
Great video very interesting 👍
Can’t wait for 2056, very informative video thanks. New sub.
Thank you!
....when most if us will be dead (or at least retired)
@@jack2453 yeah I will be close to 80. Let’s hope I am still around by then.
this is a great video but anyone who has tried keeping track of Sydney planning should know to never count on a project that is not yet started construction or funded. Even then it is incredible how often projects fall through. I love the potential future of a more interconnected Sydney where I don't have to take the bus everywhere but I cannot be as optimistic as that final map.
Taking the bus is better than taking the car.
@@listohan It's like having the slowest personal chauffeur in the world
@@listohan depends on where you travel, if you are getting from city to suburb then train will be for you but anything else like north south, the car will be better. the bus is a harder one though but it is not better than a car from a singular standpoint, if you think about the masses that will use it then yeah since itll make traffic better but in pretty substancial car dependant city, people wont take the bus
@@JayJayGamerOfficial I meant environmentally.
Good to see the East getting some love! The buses just don't cut it. Especially because they keep cutting the services. Which tbh could be on purpose so when a metro line is pushed for the area there's a positive reaction for it.
Also good to see more plans for North-South. At the moment that's the missing link with the current train network. It's so hard going North or South in West Sydney. Only options are to drive or catch a bus. Would be great to be able to catch a train!
Like others have said though Sydney is a growing city, it needs to keep investing in public transport. So I hope all this metro lines get made. I can't wait to be 50 years old and riding all of these! :)
It also really constrained growth for decades because of the lack of mass transit. I would even say that until Zetland, Green Square and Waterloo saw as much urban growth as it had, no city planners even considered east of Rosebery as viable potential hubs, like present day Randwick, Kensington, Kingsford and Maroubra Eastgardens area.
Except it's just another spur line, a radial line from the CBD. It should connect back at Sydenham.
@@yggdrasil9039 It actually isn't a spur line at all, its an extension of the Sydney West Metro line that ends in Hunter St. The eastern suburbs metro is just stage 2 of that line.
@@marcozolo3536 Sorry, I mean it's a radial line. It only goes out to the East and back to CBD
@@yggdrasil9039 yes, world class metros are usually segragated driverless networks that terminate where another line begins, or converge at a major metro hub. But totally different design concept to the former heavy rail commuter lines
Hey buddy, love your videos:
Any chance you can do one on fixing gold coast transport system?
How a gold coast cyclway network would work.
Also keen to see a video on
How could Sydney develop a cycleway system, perhaps using the old freeway paths that have never been utilized? Especially given ebikes are a thing.
I see your videos get mentioned in Not just bikes on Reddit.
Good luck with those building timelines as I recall the 2 years it took our 'buildng crews' to finish a 100 metre bridge across Manly lagoon at Queenscliff.
The ECRL was originally planned to go to Parramatta and the T4 line on the Bondi Junction end was meant to go to Bondi Beach
Shame that the Northern Beaches Line maybe never built. It would be so much better than a road tunnel!
It's more than a shame...it's a bloody disgrace. They've had a plan since the First World War.
Northern Beaches residents don't want rail. It's known as the "insular peninsular" for a reason!
Good video. The timelines set out by planners are ridiculously long though. Boring a 10km tunnel can take as little as few months, a lot easier because of the narrow breadth of metro trains, and if you have multiple TBMs running at the same time then they can be dropped into the empty station boxes (where the stations will be built) and be tunnelling simultaneously. Most of these lines could be up and running by 2035 latest if the process was streamlined. And while the initial capital cost is fairly significant (though not enormous as TBMs are surprisingly inexpensive to maintain), the running costs of automated metro are extremely low.
Again its not the tunneling its the depth and surface where the stations are to be built which is the issue , parking too
They will literally have to knock down developments costing relocation compensation etc and the timeframe.... sighs its not easy
So we should not need to wait till 2056 to make the Parramatta Light Rail do anything more than the old Carlingford single-track branch line?
@@listohan Well there's a track winding back to an old fashioned shack
Along the road to Gundagai
Where the gum trees are growin' and the Murrumbidgee's flowin'
Beneath the sunny sky
There's my mother and daddy are waitin' for me
And the pals of my childhood once more I will see
And no more will I roam 'cos I'm headin' right for home
Along the road to Gundagai
(Here we go)
There's my mother and daddy are waitin' for me
And the pals of my childhood once more I will see
And no more will I roam 'cos I'm headin' right for home
Along the road to Gundagai
(Here we go)
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Thanks for another excellent video. I notice that there is quite a distance between Cherrybrook and Epping. Are there any plans to build an extra station between these two stations? I am quite familiar with the Bankstown line, as prior to moving to Melbourne in 1981, I lived at Marrickville for the first part of my life. I doubt that I will see the 2056 Metro extensions, unless I actually make it to 104 years old!!! LOL. I am rather surprised that they don't just extend the Randwick/Kingsford light rail line to La Perouse, following the original tram route, on reserved track along the centre of the road. light rail there may be a cheaper option and the line also could even be opened well before 2056. Anyway, wishing you the very best from Rob in Melbourne Australia.
Do the Metro lines to the airports be privatized with a higher fare than the existing Metro fare?
The speed of providing new services is woefully slow.
Indonesia has nearly completed its metro through Jakarta, most of it elevated, including a link to Soekarno-Hatta Airport & are well on the way of completing the first stage to Bandung of the Trans Jawa Very Fast Train from Jakarta to Surabaya.
On top of that is the ordinary train network which is also being upgraded.
Their new rolling stock is no longer being imported instead being built at Surabaya by PT INKA, which is also exporting to Thailand, Malaysia , Pilipinas & Australia, although I don't know what state.
What software do you use?
The only proposed line that should be a priority is Kogarah to Macquarie Park via Olympic Park. It will save a lot of time for people from the south to get to west and north west Sydney including employment hubs of Paramatta/Westmead and the technology parks at Macquarie Park, without having to go via Central or Redfern saving about 20 minutes.
Very cool living in Sydney and seeing this
Any North-South linking line East of Parramatta would be ideal, though I suspect they are always going to first add new lines to areas that have no train coverage at all.
Part of the issue with Sydney's system is, unlike the great metros/subways of the world, there are very few loops available in the middle of the geographic area, so you are typically limited to the scope of your current rail line with few cross-connections, on large trains that run every 15 or more minutes. Going East-West (i.e. heading to/from the CBD) is relatively straightforward, but North-South typically requires travelling very long distances to make connections to far-off lines.
For all such trips like these through the middle of Sydney, you either have to route through Central and head back out, or transit to Glenfield/Liverpool/Parramatta and change for the T2/T5. For example trips like Revesby-Strathfield (car 17 mins, train 80 mins), Kingsgrove-Parramatta (car 30 mins, train 70 minutes), Oatley-Olympic Park (car 29 mins, train 81 mins), Burwood-Chatswood (car 25 mins, train 50 mins). You'll never remove cars from this route without more central N-S lines.
Crazy how long it could take for Tallawong to link up to Schofields considering how close they are already!
Extension to Marsden Park and St Marys make sense but not sure why it will take so long till 2056. Can you please confirm this?
Interesting a few notes
1. I think the Kogerah to Macquarie park and Norwest should interchange at Revesby instead of Kingsgrove since Kingsgrove isn’t served by the Macarthur trains and would complicate things if it did.
2. The Leppington line shouldn’t be converted to Metro because it will delay the Melbourne XPT since it borrows the T2 line at Glenfield to overtake the T8 Airport train otherwise it would get stuck behind it so instead they should extend the heavy rail line from Leppington to the new Airport.
You know what stinks about this, is that we use to make all the rolling stock for nsw rail right here in Australia.
Never clicked so fast
You may have to redo the whole video, as all three metros are incompatible with each other due to size and overhead voltage differences. They couldn’t have screwed this up anymore if they tried!
Does anyone know when marsden park metro is expected to open?
You have Rhodes located on the north side of Parramatta River. That would be where Meadowbank is but Rhodes is on the south side of the river.
Great vid, really hope it happens. I can imagine push back and politics getting in the way of it despite it being crucial infrastructure though.
Thanks! Yeah...I doubt all of it will be built by 2056, but if even some of them are I'd be happy.
@@BuildingBeautifully the Eastern suburbs metro line will definitely be one of those built by the late 2030s
Amazing to hear an update of plans for northern beaches. With all of the political influence that area has had in recent decades you'd expect that some move had been made on Bradfield's century old original plans.
The original Bradfield reservations have been built over, it would be extremely costly to buy the 4 buildings needed, one has only been completed in the last 12 months.
It's too hard at this time to build new station platforms under Town Hall Station infrastructure.
I've had a serious look at tunnels, which either have to run inside/outside or well under road/rail tunnels.
Metro trains can climb 4.5m per hundred metres, Sydney trains is more like 3m per hundred, means Sydney Trains stock has to run across the Bridge.
Any new tunnel under the harbour would have to commence at St James to achieve the required depth to build in hard rock under the harbour on the eastern side of the bridge, the Station at North Sydney would have to adjoin the Freeway at Arthur St to be low enough to reach deep hard rock under the harbour 90m.
Northern Beaches will remain isolated both by rail and road into the indefinite future. At least planning for the road tunnel connection to Warringah Expressway has I think progressed somewhat. When Labor replaces the current state government everything will grind to a halt again. On the bright side at least that means the northern Beaches will retain its unique character for a few decades longer.
Yea i can't see the locals accepting a rail line to the beaches.
@@Blueeey The cost of the proposed 6 lane Beaches Road could be more than double the cost of a Metro purely because a Metro only occupies the space of 2 lanes, also tunnel construction is much simple and quicker with modern TBM machines whereas very expensive road header machines will be needed for the road. A road lane is only capable of carrying around 1200 cars per hour per lane at 60 kph, or 3,600 cars per hour perhaps 5000 people. A metro can carry 36,000 per hour at an average speed of 80 kph.
A road at twice the cost that carries 1/7 the number of passengers, it's clear the road is a really stupid idea.
The original pencilled in St Marys to Tallawong has this line going to the west. However the Badgerys Creek to St Marys Metro also comes in from the west. I have written to politicians about this but they don't seem to be responding.
Good to see Rhodes (where I live) getting into the Metro action, although I have no idea where I will live in 2056 😅
I don’t know if there’s much detail in the plans - but would be interesting to know if the planned services are to built at grade, underground (subways), or on guideways (elevated).
As an outsider (from Toronto, Canada), be curious to know how the current and planned service varies from the existing commuter/regional rail services. Different trains? Different frequency? Etc…
Do you think Carlingford will get metro?
Interesting video, though a lot will likely change between now and then. I’m hoping for a Metro West to expand east “Metro East” to UNSW via Oxford St or Taylor Square and Zetland, as well as “Metro North” including Northern Beaches and Central Coast, with stops at Manly, Brookvale, Mona Vale, Avalon, Woy Woy and terminating at Gosford, while extending south on the other end “Metro South” to stop at Domestic, International, Kogarah, Hurstville, Sutherland, Miranda and terminating at Cronulla.
What software do you use to animate this?
Adobe After Effects!
so hunter street is not connected to the tallawong line?
looks good....slight correct for the Western Sydney Airport line....it is Aerotropolis Station
Oh lord...you're right. I rewatched this so many times before uploading and never noticed!
The RM Transit UA-cam channel once described the Metro as Sydney Trains 2.0
Which is spot on. Having to wait 9 minutes for a metro train, with vast spacing between each station, Sydney Metro isn’t really a metro but a single-deck suburban train network.
@@HappyDays-nk7iq That's ridiculous if the trains are automated, they should just be running every 4 minutes constantly.
Finally, they took my suggestion: A rail line linking MacArthur to Bagerys Creek via Leppington. Although I doubt they'll go all the way to Penrith; which is what I've writing for since 2010 . . .. You see, I hate having to drive from Campbelltown to Penrith . . .
I spoke to a man who works on the Metro, he said that it is likely the northern beaches line will split into 2 seperate lines, one going to the city as you said, and the other going to Ryde
Interesting.
What we also need is a heavy rail between Camperdown, Penrith and Hornsby. This would also allow for freight to transverse this line. This line would enable greater expansion of employment for the greater west
Did you mean Campbelltown?
They should get more variety on the metro!
Even if only half get done this is so much better connection than what Melb and Brisbane currently offer.
i have a book map of sydney from 2008 stating the proposed parramatta to epping line
thank goodness it's planned to be 50 years overdue. 0.0
I'm in Brisbane, and the Syndey Metro makes me so jealous. Sure we got our own metro project, but they are basically just large buses rather than an actual train.
A LINE FROM EPPING TO PARAMATTA VIA CARLINGFORD WOS PREPOSED AS PART OF THE ORIGIONAL EPPIN TO CHATSWOOD LINE IN 2008 BUT WAS CANCELED
AND NOW THE LINE WILL BE LIGHT RAIL FROM PARRAMATA TO CARLINGFORD
THANK YOU IF STILL LIVING BY THAT TIME OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS
YES OK MAYBE
Northern Beaches People: now this is an Avengers level threat!
Northern beaches slander
Northern beach resident when they hear a "development proposal"
*triggered meme
Track work has well advanced to near completion, the track is already being used to run flatcars of construction supplies to the new underground stations,
I'm told that possibly late September a test train may be running from Chatswood to Sydenham,
catenary still has some way to go so this test train may be a battery shunter or a diesel.
Work is well advanced on all locations, a bit slower at Central and Martin Place but still ahead of timetable.
The Bankstown line will have to shut down for a few months to move rail into precise location, the trains will stop on a straight section of track, Installation of the Platform based Mechanical Gap Fillers (MGFs) are to be used to bridge the gap between the train and platform to make a seamless walk on to the train.
All to well and good but there has been blowout in costs?; could be 2025 before they finish it
@@robertryan7204 It will be running in June 2024, all parts of the project are well ahead of schedule.
I'll be 80 by the time this is complete and I cannot wait!
Me in my cardgian and woolen scarf at the station
Well dear they said it never come but look!
*attempts to open cork
Finger falls off
Thats leprosy for ya
@@nolesy34 🤣
I heard you have personal connections to Dominic- can you please order the Parra-Epping metro to be built immediately.
Oh I know you...
You went to my high school!
@@BuildingBeautifully you
4:30 is basically just the original proposal for the eastern suburbs line extension 30 years later😂
things can change, just like the macarthur / oran park / new airport line. . Oran park was first flagged for 2026.. then got punted from stage 1 (2026) to stage 3 (2056) , increase of 30 yrs.
What about making Leppington an interchange with Sydney Trains?
Parramatta to Epping line? Didn't Kevin Rudd promise that one? I won't hold my breath for that one to happen.
I thought Premier Kenneally promised that one, but little Johnny Howard didn't. Then when Kevin07 became PM, Premier O'Farrell or Baird knocked it back in favour of the Northwest Metro
Happy there’s a new station at Schofields
I wish they would extend the metro to Stations up to richmond and maybe beyond
don't want to be pessimistic, but i have little faith that such grand plan will become a reality with the timeline provided
Hi sharath, my sister in law works in sydney metro and i don’t think a connection between the airport line and northwest/southwest line is possible, i was told that the tracks are different meaning trains on the airport line are not able to run on the other lines, so i don’t think this may be the possible future of the metro sadly.
The biggest problem with the Metro System, is it is not really a system but a series of individual lines. It has to seamlessly intersect and interact with existing infrastructure. The sooner the better.
I live in kogarah and we need this
It's so strange that there is almost nothing planned for the Northern Beaches. The area has a huge population and it looks like they will still be relying on overcrowded buses on Military Road for the rest of the century.
I think a spur from Pymble to French's Forest was proposed one time, to take people via the North Shore Line.
NIMBY's "Trains will bring unwanted visitors and crime to our rich, suburban white neighbourhood" is like the main obstacle
I will never be alive to see these stations opened.