@@suezcontours6653 exactly. And women of color cannot do that, not the same way a white woman can. Which is why Karen is a specific term referring to white women.
Thank you for clarifying on the where the term "Karen" came from. The Internet has a tendency to forget where these words came from (both intentionally and unintentionally). Also, I appreciate the difference between "Karen" and "Becky" using Total Drama characters Blainely and Lindsay as examples. Perfection! I am glad we are talking about how Black women cannot be "Karens" because that never made any sense to me. Anyways great video as always and cannot wait to watch the next one.
“Anyone else think Karen is a slur?” Not to quote an adulterer but… If you are comparing words and you won’t even say what the other word is…THATS THE WORSE WORD!!!
“An adulterer” i strongly dislike John Mulaney as well but it’s not like he’s murdered someone 😭 imagine refusing to name smn a la Voldemort bc of a relationship u had no part in 😭😭
Nope it's an insult. It says, when you go out to eat there's a 50 50 chance that you'll send your food back for whatever reason and end up eating someone else's bodily fluids and pubic hair
I remember a long time ago I got called a karen by a white person for saying that black ppl don’t need to explain AAVE to them, they went on to say they couldn’t be a karen because they’re marginalized by being disabled.?? But somehow me a black person… can be? That’s when I knew ppl were just throwing that term around and saying literally anything 😶
I mean, were you acting entitled, stuck up, and unreasonable? Because that's what makes you a Karen in the eyes 90% of the population. If you were, your a Karen. If not, then not. Seems like an easy and fair way to determine the word, and it does not do the ugly thing of implicating race into the conversation.
I think people are missing the point. The insult Karen was made for entitled white women specifically. It makes no sense to use it for people of color. Period.
@@demonhunter5404 Anyone can have an entitled mindset, but Karen is unique to only white women because white supremacy is what gave them that entitlement It doesn’t matter how rude or entitled any other race of people act as, they do not have equal power of a white person, thus not gaining that confidence from the system
@@BunnyBoo100-18 all I’m saying is that anyone can be a Karen, how is that hard to understand. Karen is actions and an entitled mindset, anyone can act entitled
then does there need to be another name for entitled people of color, or for entitled people of each race? Because people of all races can have these attitudes, but if we are to give each their own name then I feel like thats just gonna lead to more slurs/racist name calling. Yea it originated from a racist ass entitled white lady, but ppl also use it for nonovert entitled white ladys. So then what are ppl that aren't white that show the same behavoir called? and lets not forget nonwhite ppl can be racist towards other nonwhite ppl
@@bobsburgers8497 Entitled assholes White women usually called us Shaniquas or Tashas to be antiBlack, but it was usually thrown at every Black woman not particularly an entitled Black woman
yeah, calling women of color “Karen” just never really made sense to me. Of course any person of any race can be entitled & rude, but “Karen” is literally a word used to describe (usually middle class/upper middle class) WHITE women who victimize themselves for personal gain, at the expense of those she deems “beneath” her… like part of the meaning behind ‘Karen’ is the aspect of white privilege i mean ofc anyone of any race is capable of being rude, but i wouldn’t call them “karen” bcs it just doesn’t fit the trope
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 that is true, i’m not saying i’m ok with it, or that i call people karens. i’m just explaining why you don’t often see woc being referred to as such because of the reason why “Karen” became an insult in the first place and who it was made for
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 its not your not called a karen because your white, your called Karen because you use your white privilege to get others in trouble, harmed, or worse. It only became watered down to what it is now due to white people.
@@lesvianaura Thats a semantic Kay Kay. If you change that to using your societal privilege, then it still applies, and is not a racist slur. But if it must be white privilege only, then it can only apply to white people, and that definably qualifies as a racial slur. Don't be racist Kay Kay, it isn't a good thing to be, defend or endorse.
I used to use the term Karen to refer to anyone regardless of race, gender, age, etc. who is entitled and after learning the term has been bastardized, it made me stop. It's no wonder when Karen is mentioned, an entitled person who happens to be a white woman who is upper middle or middle class is the first thing that pops into people's heads. Anyone who is entitled should be called either entitled or "entitled jerk", "entitled asshole", "entitled fuck", etc. in my opinion. I'm Asian and I do not know any terms used in Asian circles that are used to refer to entitled, rude, and mean people. Obviously because Asian is not a monolith or an ethnicity. Specifically, I'm Vietnamese and I don't know any names that are used to refer to entitled people. I just know the Vietnamese diaspora terms created by millennial and Gen Z overseas Vietnamese like myself and they are not related to entitled people, just very generic people.
as someone from england, seeing this term become widely used is definitely very cringe. the connotation of entitled anti-social behaviour is usually kept intact, but not the connotation of lowkey racism. good video as usual. i was somewhat aware of this before, but this further reinforced it in my mind.
I've noticed that some Darr Man copycats have been casting black women as their Karens and it's been confusing the hell out of me- I don't think they understand what it means 😔
i have been called “brown karen” before and i was like yay thanks for stripping me of my cultural name! i love when racists enforce colonialism too (and i feel like the situation was very not karen-y and more of a traumatic experience on for me)
When people say that "Karen" is a slur it feels the same way when people say that "gringo" is a slur. Karen is an archetype that POC use to signal a common problem that they have with entitled white women, it doesn't mean that it is bad to be white, it tries to give a name to a problem that has been ignored: White women can be bigoted too. We want to give a name to our problems cause' no one else cares and it seems like they don't like it. "Gringo" means foreigner, specially someone who speaks English and/or is from the USA. That's it, we don't want to call USA citizens Americans cause'... We are Americans too. So when we want to name our problems they get mad again, we can't be in peace.
when i think of karens, i just think of them as another term for entitled people, someone who thinks that service workers are beneath them and should never deny a guest even the most ridiculous request and thinks that all people in general should yield to them. like someone who demands you give up ur seat on a bus or something bc *they* want seat for watever reason. and bc of that i never thought u had to be a specific race to be a karen, cuz anyone can grow up with that kind of mentality. but then again i never really attributed entitled women as karens, no matter the color of their skin.
Nope, Karen is referring to a White woman specifically Them knowing their status in society and having a long history of using their privilege to accuse poc of nonsensical things and have their livelihoods put on stake over a minor inconvenience
@@digimonalvatrax2738 Doesn’t matter. A white woman calling the police on children, or anyone going about their day, because she experiences a minor inconvenience is a traumatizing event
I'm pretty sure that Karen is supposed to refer to a woman or even just person, who behaves a certain way. So when you ask why are people calling black women Karens, its likely because those specific black women are acting like Karens. If you act like a Karen, then your gonna get called one, and I don't think the tone of your skin comes into it that much. It's all about behavior.
@@BunnyBoo100-18 I'm answering a question. I hardly think that's retarded. Nothing I saw in the video changes my answer. Language is an evolving, living continuity, and trying to artificially lock it down is what is truly "retarded".
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 It’s amazing y’all acknowledge that “language is always involving” to excuse racism against Black people But then make fun of us and other races
@@whoknows9085 I mean, its NOT racist if the term can be applied to any race. It IS racist if it refers to only one race. Calling you an asshole is insulting, but not racist. Calling you the N word is racist because the N word has been used to demean black people for literally hundreds of years. If Karen can only be applied towards white people, then it is a problematic racial slur. And if that is the case, then, in the same way of other racial slurs, using it reveals the person using it against the implicated race to be a racist. So instead of involving race at all, I and many many others, simply define it by behaviour. If you act entitled, rude, and racist, then your a Karen, regardless of what race you are.
@@whoknows9085 Also, I'm stating a fact. English is an evolving language, it belongs to no race, white, black, Asian or Hispanic. English, and any other widely spoken modern language, is always evolving and shifting. Acknowledgeding that is not racist, its realistic. There is NO reason to believe anything to the contrary.
I've come across black entitled people in customer service who were really rude and nasty to me for no reason. One of which got me fired for trying to be as nice as possible and do my job because I wouldn't break rules for them. I'm sorry, but as a black person I can tell you you black Karen's exist. A while back a black person at a fast food restaurant pepper sprayed one of the workers because they were upset. I did not hear about this on the internet or from someone else. I was actually there and some of the spray was in my eyes
Nope, they are still not Karen’s They are bitches, and they are entitled but not a Karen Even if they have money or some sort of status, they do not have the social power to put your life at risk by calling the police on you, and you alone And when I say “you alone” I mean if the police came, their lives would be put on risk, whether they know it or stupidly not Karen’s are White women because not only are they aware that their status as white women puts them above everyone else but white men, they know that the police are more obligated to help them So what do they do everytime they don’t get their way? Sure complain to the manager, but that’s the best case scenario. Worst case is that they call the police on you, and even a child because they didn’t get their way You’ll meet entitled people in general, no matter the race. But white supremacy as a system gives these people a toxic ego
@@whoknows9085 sure white supremacy is a problem. I'm not arguing against that. My point is if you act like a Karen, you're a Karen no matter the ethnicity. And cops don't always get involved when people act like toxic bitches
@@crazylizze98 Notice how you just ignored every point from the video and my comment to an extreme Sure you can repeat a word whenever someone makes a point, but you don’t actually connect them together from what I’m seeing
I mean white women doing Karen shit also get kicked out, nobody likes them that’s the point. The incidents u described wouldn’t make anyone a Karen bc they are standing up for themselves, however if someone is being rude and acting entitled, even a black woman, they can be a Karen
Nope, Karen’s entitlement is unique because it stems from white supremacy allowing them to get away with most things and/or get a slap on the hand as a punishment That is why they are very comfortable calling the police on Black children for picking flowers or accidentally bumping into them
@@whoknows9085 but anyone can have a sense of entitlement, if a person is doing the exact same actions of a Karen, then they are a Karen yes it does originate from that, but anyone can exhibit the same traits
@@demonhunter5404 Yes anyone can have a sense of entitlement. We just call them entitled people Karen is the type of entitlement you only achieve through white supremacy allowing you and people like you to get away with everything
I'm gonna be real with you. There are much better shows with the same or similar premise that are better. Miraculous at this point feels like it's dragging on
Me: *having flashbacks to dealing with divesters and level up radfems and TERFs on Twitter* ....I have mixed feelings on this take that might be unpopular but I'll watch the video first lol
@@skylerk126 divesters were like miniature Candace Owens -- obsessed with denigrating black men and fetishizing white and nonblack men, hating light skinned black women and mixed black women and pitting them and monoracial black women and dark skinned black women against each other, a lot of gender role essentialism that catered to white male gaze and devilish white supremacist cisheteropatriarchal culture norms, transphobic and attacking any black woman that didn't agree with divester culture norms, being quick to call us mammies, pick-mes, etc. That time was just....whew chile, a mess.
Damn I didn't actually know what a Becky was, I thought for the longest time it was an incel term for women who were of lower value who got high value men. But yeah I definitely have some Becky traits, that is something I need to work on. Also STICKERS YAAAAAY!!!!!!!! MORE FOR MY SKETCHBOOK!!!!!
@@christopherbrown5409 It's rare, but I actually heard it myself in a contrapoints video talking about Incels. Also, charecters named Becky don't always look the most attractive..
Entitled/narcissistic latinas exists, but it's kinda different. These latinas tend to be boomer moms who share versicles on their status on social media, are closed minded and they think that we world revolves around themselves. It's a different archetype and it comes from a different place... I call them Yolanda
Mayor Bourgeois is the mayor of Paris. You can't be a mayor of the whole country of France, they do have a president of the country, currently Emmanuel Macron.
Also so many of y’all are missing the point. Yes black people can be assholes. Anyone can be an asshole. But karen as a term was meant to criticize WHITE WOMEN. It was never meant for black people. there is a REASON we use the name karen specifically, and it’s because it’s supposed to conjure the idea of a white woman. It refers to white women. if a black person is being an asshole you are aware that you can just call them an asshole right? If they’re being entitled you can use the word entitled. We have words in many many languages that mean jerk, asshole, selfish, rude, and entitled etc. you can use those, in fact I promise that we’ll understand what your mean even better if you do.
On Audrey Bourgeois with racism-it felt icky when Audrey called Alya a beggar and complained about having to sit next to her. I guess it could be classism
A black woman can be a Karen what makes up a Karen is the aggressive actions a woman takes in public. just cause men looked at her weirdly or if their food is 2 mins late getting to their table the term is mainly used for white women who are white. simply cause there aren’t any black women who are named Karen hell at least I’ve never met any that have the name this statement is like saying blacks can’t be racist simply cause were not oppressing anything but in Layman’s terms all a Karen is a woman who is entitled and stuck up an making a scene in public
yeah that’s my take too… like if you’re someone of any race who is being rude and entitled in public you’re being a karen… it’s honestly dehumanizing in a way to put women of color on a pedestal and say they can’t be karens just because they’re not white, being oppressed doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole without consequence
I think that's what most people view as a Karen nowadays. I believe what harriyannas point was that the word Karen was originally used to critique white women who get away with shitty behavior due to race, this overuse of the word just waters it down to "asshole" and defeats the whole point of why the word Karen was created
Black people literally created the term for what it is used as today. The term Karen is used to describe a white woman who annoyingly picks problems with Black people who are doing no wrong. That is what it started as before other people co-opt that term and started to use it and called anybody a Karen. It’s annoying to me that you people would take terms made by Black people and then use it against them.
I’m from a European country and it’s honestly cringe seeing people using these terms especially as it makes no sense. Firstly we have our terms and had them for years, like Mary and Bridie would be the gossiping old ladies. Mary would be more naïve and Bridie be more the vicious type. Secondly, Karen isn’t actually really an exclusively White or Mid-age name. It is reasonably popular among girls born in the 90s and 00s and Black Women called Karen do exist (e.g British fashion Vlogger KarenBritchic) and until this Meme form of the name took off, it was not seen as a White or Black name as often POC parents will choose a “local” name as they believe this gives their child a better chance fitting in society or the parents come from a country that has colonial links to Europe so the names have been long established their home country anyway. It’s not that unusual in Europe for non-White people to have what Americans deem “very White” names because the dynamics are different. Karen is simply direct translation of Catherine in much of Northern Europe, so it’s a pretty generic traditional name. So besides white people using it wrong, it’s simply contextually doesn’t fit in either which is why I believe it just ended up as a way to be mean to random women every time you disagree with them & people missing out WOC can’t be Karen’s
@@whoknows9085 Sorry if I didn’t write in a way that conveyed it clearly but I was talking about perception of the name not people literally thinking there isn’t Black women called Karen. Hope that clears it up, for you?
@@sams3015 Not really, but I will say the reason it got taken out of context was because white people didn’t like it so they decided to call everyone that
Heather is Asian and despite her personality, she doesn't have Karen traits. Blainely is way more likely to threaten to call the manager and police than Heather is.
@@Lilothestitch I can see why people would call Courtney a Karen, but I don't necessarily agree with it since she only complains when something or someone is actually wrong. Also, last time I checked, Courtney is a brown Latina and while she is ambitious, I can't imagine her calling the police because her neighbors are the wrong race/ethnicity or calling the manager because the coffee was 2 ounces lighter.
I do agree respect worker but adult I disagree cuz that’s entitiment and there some adult that don’t deserve respect but I agree that u should not be rude if someone doesn’t deserve it 13:58
I appreciate the becky distinction, cause nobody really talks about that anymore. Same issues happened, like white women saying becky is a slur and then the top tweet saying it the girl outright put the n word (with the r at the end) saying its the same💀
Yeah using a woman’s name as an insult has never sat right with me. Especially cuz it’s like, are these “Karens” doing anything that men haven’t? No? Like I get that women of color have specific experiences with racist white women, which was probably where the term came from, but ever since men (esp white men) got ahold of it, it just reeks of misogyny. Where I live people be calling women Karens for having any complaints or standing up for themselves at all. It’s exhausting.
@@toxicsugarart2103 That sounds like something a Karen would say Lol, sorry, but it’s funny when y’all try to make Black words out to be misogyny every single time
well honestly i just feel really bad for all the people out there named Karen who aren’t rude or entitled lol like if i were named Karen i’d literally go out of my way to change it…if i couldn’t change it legally i would make it a point to go by the nickname “Karrie” or “Ren” or even “Kara” lol
Haven't seen all of the video yet, but so far I disagree. The vast majority of the time I've heard Karen thrown around, online and offline, was to point out when someone (often a white woman, but not exclusively) is being super entitled and/or having a problem with someone for no apparent reason. Think people berating customer service or retail workers. And if we want a specific example involving race, think to the dog walking incident. Often times she's called the racist karen, for good reason of course
Thats literally the same case as most words that started in the black community White people steal them, change the context to suit their own needs, give it a few months on TikTok or whatever and bam: no longer black, it’s just “internet talk”
@@whoknows9085 "White people" don't steal words. Americans by and large speak English. Karen is an insult in the English language. There is no white people committee or organisation that determines what words will be stolen from the black community, or how. Its just people speaking a living language.
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The term Karen has been reduced to anyone acting entitled when they should just use the word entitled.
@@suezcontours6653 exactly. And women of color cannot do that, not the same way a white woman can. Which is why Karen is a specific term referring to white women.
Don't forget that Karens aren't necessarily rich, either...They come from all incomes yet think highly of themselves regardless.
Thank you for clarifying on the where the term "Karen" came from. The Internet has a tendency to forget where these words came from (both intentionally and unintentionally). Also, I appreciate the difference between "Karen" and "Becky" using Total Drama characters Blainely and Lindsay as examples. Perfection! I am glad we are talking about how Black women cannot be "Karens" because that never made any sense to me. Anyways great video as always and cannot wait to watch the next one.
Fun fact: Male version of a Karen is called a Kevin.
Oh yeah people on twitter misuse the word Karen all the fuckin time.
@@devontamosley4487 Kevin?
“Anyone else think Karen is a slur?” Not to quote an adulterer but…
If you are comparing words and you won’t even say what the other word is…THATS THE WORSE WORD!!!
“An adulterer” i strongly dislike John Mulaney as well but it’s not like he’s murdered someone 😭 imagine refusing to name smn a la Voldemort bc of a relationship u had no part in 😭😭
@@blush3790 Some people like to feel extra.
@@blush3790 get the fuck over it, it’s not that deep
Nope it's an insult. It says, when you go out to eat there's a 50 50 chance that you'll send your food back for whatever reason and end up eating someone else's bodily fluids and pubic hair
I remember a long time ago I got called a karen by a white person for saying that black ppl don’t need to explain AAVE to them, they went on to say they couldn’t be a karen because they’re marginalized by being disabled.?? But somehow me a black person… can be? That’s when I knew ppl were just throwing that term around and saying literally anything 😶
I mean, were you acting entitled, stuck up, and unreasonable? Because that's what makes you a Karen in the eyes 90% of the population. If you were, your a Karen. If not, then not. Seems like an easy and fair way to determine the word, and it does not do the ugly thing of implicating race into the conversation.
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375
90% is a big number, mind sharing the source?
@@whoknows9085
Anecdotal, but hardly controversial.
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375
Ok do you have a source on that?
@@whoknows9085
I already told you. Do you not know what an anacdote is?
I think people are missing the point. The insult Karen was made for entitled white women specifically. It makes no sense to use it for people of color. Period.
@@demonhunter5404
Anyone can have an entitled mindset, but Karen is unique to only white women because white supremacy is what gave them that entitlement
It doesn’t matter how rude or entitled any other race of people act as, they do not have equal power of a white person, thus not gaining that confidence from the system
@@demonhunter5404 where is your logic because I’m not seeing it🥸
@@BunnyBoo100-18 all I’m saying is that anyone can be a Karen, how is that hard to understand. Karen is actions and an entitled mindset, anyone can act entitled
then does there need to be another name for entitled people of color, or for entitled people of each race? Because people of all races can have these attitudes, but if we are to give each their own name then I feel like thats just gonna lead to more slurs/racist name calling. Yea it originated from a racist ass entitled white lady, but ppl also use it for nonovert entitled white ladys. So then what are ppl that aren't white that show the same behavoir called? and lets not forget nonwhite ppl can be racist towards other nonwhite ppl
@@bobsburgers8497
Entitled assholes
White women usually called us Shaniquas or Tashas to be antiBlack, but it was usually thrown at every Black woman not particularly an entitled Black woman
yeah, calling women of color “Karen” just never really made sense to me. Of course any person of any race can be entitled & rude, but “Karen” is literally a word used to describe (usually middle class/upper middle class) WHITE women who victimize themselves for personal gain, at the expense of those she deems “beneath” her… like part of the meaning behind ‘Karen’ is the aspect of white privilege
i mean ofc anyone of any race is capable of being rude, but i wouldn’t call them “karen” bcs it just doesn’t fit the trope
That turns the word into a racial slur, which is problematic.
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 that is true, i’m not saying i’m ok with it, or that i call people karens. i’m just explaining why you don’t often see woc being referred to as such because of the reason why “Karen” became an insult in the first place and who it was made for
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 that being said i understand your point
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 its not
your not called a karen because your white, your called Karen because you use your white privilege to get others in trouble, harmed, or worse. It only became watered down to what it is now due to white people.
@@lesvianaura
Thats a semantic Kay Kay. If you change that to using your societal privilege, then it still applies, and is not a racist slur. But if it must be white privilege only, then it can only apply to white people, and that definably qualifies as a racial slur. Don't be racist Kay Kay, it isn't a good thing to be, defend or endorse.
literally got called a karen over the internet….i’ve never been so insulted💀😭so many reasons !!!
I used to use the term Karen to refer to anyone regardless of race, gender, age, etc. who is entitled and after learning the term has been bastardized, it made me stop. It's no wonder when Karen is mentioned, an entitled person who happens to be a white woman who is upper middle or middle class is the first thing that pops into people's heads.
Anyone who is entitled should be called either entitled or "entitled jerk", "entitled asshole", "entitled fuck", etc. in my opinion.
I'm Asian and I do not know any terms used in Asian circles that are used to refer to entitled, rude, and mean people. Obviously because Asian is not a monolith or an ethnicity. Specifically, I'm Vietnamese and I don't know any names that are used to refer to entitled people. I just know the Vietnamese diaspora terms created by millennial and Gen Z overseas Vietnamese like myself and they are not related to entitled people, just very generic people.
as someone from england, seeing this term become widely used is definitely very cringe. the connotation of entitled anti-social behaviour is usually kept intact, but not the connotation of lowkey racism.
good video as usual. i was somewhat aware of this before, but this further reinforced it in my mind.
I would consider Karen a recent aave word. and people always b*stardize aave.
Your hair is so poppin btw
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@@emilinegabriele ik
White people literally started calling people karens in the first place
@@drawingwinxstyle9193 k¥$!
@@drawingwinxstyle9193 what does using aave have to do with being insecure? im genuinely confused
Hi harri, I love your videos they are so entertaining and I learn alot from you.
I've noticed that some Darr Man copycats have been casting black women as their Karens and it's been confusing the hell out of me- I don't think they understand what it means 😔
Well I just learned something new about the term "Karen"
me too
Came for the Audrey slander 😈
Stayed to be educated 💯 👌🏾
i have been called “brown karen” before and i was like yay thanks for stripping me of my cultural name! i love when racists enforce colonialism too
(and i feel like the situation was very not karen-y and more of a traumatic experience on for me)
When people say that "Karen" is a slur it feels the same way when people say that "gringo" is a slur. Karen is an archetype that POC use to signal a common problem that they have with entitled white women, it doesn't mean that it is bad to be white, it tries to give a name to a problem that has been ignored: White women can be bigoted too.
We want to give a name to our problems cause' no one else cares and it seems like they don't like it.
"Gringo" means foreigner, specially someone who speaks English and/or is from the USA. That's it, we don't want to call USA citizens Americans cause'... We are Americans too.
So when we want to name our problems they get mad again, we can't be in peace.
when i think of karens, i just think of them as another term for entitled people, someone who thinks that service workers are beneath them and should never deny a guest even the most ridiculous request and thinks that all people in general should yield to them. like someone who demands you give up ur seat on a bus or something bc *they* want seat for watever reason. and bc of that i never thought u had to be a specific race to be a karen, cuz anyone can grow up with that kind of mentality.
but then again i never really attributed entitled women as karens, no matter the color of their skin.
Nope, Karen is referring to a White woman specifically
Them knowing their status in society and having a long history of using their privilege to accuse poc of nonsensical things and have their livelihoods put on stake over a minor inconvenience
@@digimonalvatrax2738
Doesn’t matter. A white woman calling the police on children, or anyone going about their day, because she experiences a minor inconvenience is a traumatizing event
I'm pretty sure that Karen is supposed to refer to a woman or even just person, who behaves a certain way. So when you ask why are people calling black women Karens, its likely because those specific black women are acting like Karens. If you act like a Karen, then your gonna get called one, and I don't think the tone of your skin comes into it that much. It's all about behavior.
POV: You clearly didn’t watch the whole video and your comment was retarded
@@BunnyBoo100-18
I'm answering a question. I hardly think that's retarded. Nothing I saw in the video changes my answer. Language is an evolving, living continuity, and trying to artificially lock it down is what is truly "retarded".
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375
It’s amazing y’all acknowledge that “language is always involving” to excuse racism against Black people
But then make fun of us and other races
@@whoknows9085
I mean, its NOT racist if the term can be applied to any race. It IS racist if it refers to only one race. Calling you an asshole is insulting, but not racist. Calling you the N word is racist because the N word has been used to demean black people for literally hundreds of years.
If Karen can only be applied towards white people, then it is a problematic racial slur. And if that is the case, then, in the same way of other racial slurs, using it reveals the person using it against the implicated race to be a racist.
So instead of involving race at all, I and many many others, simply define it by behaviour. If you act entitled, rude, and racist, then your a Karen, regardless of what race you are.
@@whoknows9085
Also, I'm stating a fact. English is an evolving language, it belongs to no race, white, black, Asian or Hispanic. English, and any other widely spoken modern language, is always evolving and shifting. Acknowledgeding that is not racist, its realistic. There is NO reason to believe anything to the contrary.
Have you seen this video of a woman at the airport acting rude to staff because of a wheelchair?
The woman was WRONG but people are calling her karen
Definitely don’t agree with this take but I understand your perspective.
Underated take right here. We need more like you.
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I've come across black entitled people in customer service who were really rude and nasty to me for no reason. One of which got me fired for trying to be as nice as possible and do my job because I wouldn't break rules for them. I'm sorry, but as a black person I can tell you you black Karen's exist. A while back a black person at a fast food restaurant pepper sprayed one of the workers because they were upset. I did not hear about this on the internet or from someone else. I was actually there and some of the spray was in my eyes
THIS. ALL OF THIS. Candace Owens is black and that doesn't stop Candace from acting like that!
@@dotcombabytm4644 the only thing I hate more than black people acting like the worst stereotypes is watching them stab each other in the back
Nope, they are still not Karen’s
They are bitches, and they are entitled but not a Karen
Even if they have money or some sort of status, they do not have the social power to put your life at risk by calling the police on you, and you alone
And when I say “you alone” I mean if the police came, their lives would be put on risk, whether they know it or stupidly not
Karen’s are White women because not only are they aware that their status as white women puts them above everyone else but white men, they know that the police are more obligated to help them
So what do they do everytime they don’t get their way? Sure complain to the manager, but that’s the best case scenario. Worst case is that they call the police on you, and even a child because they didn’t get their way
You’ll meet entitled people in general, no matter the race. But white supremacy as a system gives these people a toxic ego
@@whoknows9085 sure white supremacy is a problem. I'm not arguing against that. My point is if you act like a Karen, you're a Karen no matter the ethnicity. And cops don't always get involved when people act like toxic bitches
@@crazylizze98
Notice how you just ignored every point from the video and my comment to an extreme
Sure you can repeat a word whenever someone makes a point, but you don’t actually connect them together from what I’m seeing
I mean white women doing Karen shit also get kicked out, nobody likes them that’s the point. The incidents u described wouldn’t make anyone a Karen bc they are standing up for themselves, however if someone is being rude and acting entitled, even a black woman, they can be a Karen
Nope, Karen’s entitlement is unique because it stems from white supremacy allowing them to get away with most things and/or get a slap on the hand as a punishment
That is why they are very comfortable calling the police on Black children for picking flowers or accidentally bumping into them
@@whoknows9085 but anyone can have a sense of entitlement, if a person is doing the exact same actions of a Karen, then they are a Karen yes it does originate from that, but anyone can exhibit the same traits
@@demonhunter5404
Yes anyone can have a sense of entitlement. We just call them entitled people
Karen is the type of entitlement you only achieve through white supremacy allowing you and people like you to get away with everything
Off topic, you look amazing 💟
i find it so interesting to hear u talking abt miraculous even tho i dont watch it 😅😅😅
I'm gonna be real with you. There are much better shows with the same or similar premise that are better. Miraculous at this point feels like it's dragging on
Me: *having flashbacks to dealing with divesters and level up radfems and TERFs on Twitter*
....I have mixed feelings on this take that might be unpopular but I'll watch the video first lol
could you explain how you related this to terfs?
i had to deal with terfs on tumblr.god it’s a cesspit
@@skylerk126 divesters were like miniature Candace Owens -- obsessed with denigrating black men and fetishizing white and nonblack men, hating light skinned black women and mixed black women and pitting them and monoracial black women and dark skinned black women against each other, a lot of gender role essentialism that catered to white male gaze and devilish white supremacist cisheteropatriarchal culture norms, transphobic and attacking any black woman that didn't agree with divester culture norms, being quick to call us mammies, pick-mes, etc. That time was just....whew chile, a mess.
Well they already subscribe to white supremacist rhetoric, so ofc they are going to steal aave as they did for “woke”
Damn I didn't actually know what a Becky was, I thought for the longest time it was an incel term for women who were of lower value who got high value men. But yeah I definitely have some Becky traits, that is something I need to work on.
Also STICKERS YAAAAAY!!!!!!!! MORE FOR MY SKETCHBOOK!!!!!
When have you EVER heard men you deem incels (how do you even know their sex lives like that?) call a type of woman "Becky"?
It’s also a term for misandrist women and women who hate all men.
@@christopherbrown5409 It's rare, but I actually heard it myself in a contrapoints video talking about Incels. Also, charecters named Becky don't always look the most attractive..
@@seraphim108 true to your second point, but it's only Black women I hear or read talking about Beckies
My think is that if there are Latina Karen's, they are that way to their community
Entitled/narcissistic latinas exists, but it's kinda different. These latinas tend to be boomer moms who share versicles on their status on social media, are closed minded and they think that we world revolves around themselves. It's a different archetype and it comes from a different place... I call them Yolanda
And also, they're just like that with other latinos, they would never get away with that attitude around white people
Mayor Bourgeois is the mayor of Paris. You can't be a mayor of the whole country of France, they do have a president of the country, currently Emmanuel Macron.
Also so many of y’all are missing the point. Yes black people can be assholes. Anyone can be an asshole. But karen as a term was meant to criticize WHITE WOMEN. It was never meant for black people. there is a REASON we use the name karen specifically, and it’s because it’s supposed to conjure the idea of a white woman. It refers to white women.
if a black person is being an asshole you are aware that you can just call them an asshole right? If they’re being entitled you can use the word entitled. We have words in many many languages that mean jerk, asshole, selfish, rude, and entitled etc. you can use those, in fact I promise that we’ll understand what your mean even better if you do.
So...its a racist slur?
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375
If you say it towards black people and aren’t black
@@whoknows9085
Um, no, then it would just be an insult. It is a racial slur if it is an insult that implicates a race as well as offense.
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375
Exactly, so if you tell it to Black people then it is a slur
@@whoknows9085
How? Its not a word which implies only black people. Does it?
On Audrey Bourgeois with racism-it felt icky when Audrey called Alya a beggar and complained about having to sit next to her. I guess it could be classism
A black woman can be a Karen what makes up a Karen is the aggressive actions a woman takes in public. just cause men looked at her weirdly or if their food is 2 mins late getting to their table the term is mainly used for white women who are white. simply cause there aren’t any black women who are named Karen hell at least I’ve never met any that have the name this statement is like saying blacks can’t be racist simply cause were not oppressing anything but in Layman’s terms all a Karen is a woman who is entitled and stuck up an making a scene in public
yeah that’s my take too… like if you’re someone of any race who is being rude and entitled in public you’re being a karen… it’s honestly dehumanizing in a way to put women of color on a pedestal and say they can’t be karens just because they’re not white, being oppressed doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole without consequence
I think that's what most people view as a Karen nowadays. I believe what harriyannas point was that the word Karen was originally used to critique white women who get away with shitty behavior due to race,
this overuse of the word just waters it down to "asshole" and defeats the whole point of why the word Karen was created
Black people literally created the term for what it is used as today. The term Karen is used to describe a white woman who annoyingly picks problems with Black people who are doing no wrong. That is what it started as before other people co-opt that term and started to use it and called anybody a Karen. It’s annoying to me that you people would take terms made by Black people and then use it against them.
Also Black people cannot be racist unless it’s against other PoC. Spare me with the “black people can be racist to white people too” bs
@@seraphim108 exactly, these ppl are purposefully ignoring that point. They always take our terms and use them against us
Great video!!
I’m from a European country and it’s honestly cringe seeing people using these terms especially as it makes no sense. Firstly we have our terms and had them for years, like Mary and Bridie would be the gossiping old ladies. Mary would be more naïve and Bridie be more the vicious type. Secondly, Karen isn’t actually really an exclusively White or Mid-age name. It is reasonably popular among girls born in the 90s and 00s and Black Women called Karen do exist (e.g British fashion Vlogger KarenBritchic) and until this Meme form of the name took off, it was not seen as a White or Black name as often POC parents will choose a “local” name as they believe this gives their child a better chance fitting in society or the parents come from a country that has colonial links to Europe so the names have been long established their home country anyway.
It’s not that unusual in Europe for non-White people to have what Americans deem “very White” names because the dynamics are different. Karen is simply direct translation of Catherine in much of Northern Europe, so it’s a pretty generic traditional name. So besides white people using it wrong, it’s simply contextually doesn’t fit in either which is why I believe it just ended up as a way to be mean to random women every time you disagree with them & people missing out WOC can’t be Karen’s
Did you think we didn’t know Black people are named Karen?
@@whoknows9085 Sorry if I didn’t write in a way that conveyed it clearly but I was talking about perception of the name not people literally thinking there isn’t Black women called Karen. Hope that clears it up, for you?
@@sams3015
Not really, but I will say the reason it got taken out of context was because white people didn’t like it so they decided to call everyone that
I was right about Lindsay but I thought that Heather would've been the Karen😆
Heather is Asian and despite her personality, she doesn't have Karen traits. Blainely is way more likely to threaten to call the manager and police than Heather is.
@@medtle1 Exactly and people call Courtney a karen.
@@Lilothestitch I can see why people would call Courtney a Karen, but I don't necessarily agree with it since she only complains when something or someone is actually wrong. Also, last time I checked, Courtney is a brown Latina and while she is ambitious, I can't imagine her calling the police because her neighbors are the wrong race/ethnicity or calling the manager because the coffee was 2 ounces lighter.
@@medtle1 Agreed.
@@medtle1 Good analogy!
I do agree respect worker but adult I disagree cuz that’s entitiment and there some adult that don’t deserve respect but I agree that u should not be rude if someone doesn’t deserve it 13:58
i said that right after love lmaooooo
No first mates here, just an incredible captain and a bunch of swabbies
I appreciate the becky distinction, cause nobody really talks about that anymore. Same issues happened, like white women saying becky is a slur and then the top tweet saying it the girl outright put the n word (with the r at the end) saying its the same💀
But they use "Cheeto girl" and it is fine, please
I honestly didn't think of this until now. I'm sorry.
the word karen is a stupid insult in general
Yeah using a woman’s name as an insult has never sat right with me. Especially cuz it’s like, are these “Karens” doing anything that men haven’t? No? Like I get that women of color have specific experiences with racist white women, which was probably where the term came from, but ever since men (esp white men) got ahold of it, it just reeks of misogyny. Where I live people be calling women Karens for having any complaints or standing up for themselves at all. It’s exhausting.
@@toxicsugarart2103 i think the man term for karen is kevin
@@toxicsugarart2103
That sounds like something a Karen would say
Lol, sorry, but it’s funny when y’all try to make Black words out to be misogyny every single time
well honestly i just feel really bad for all the people out there named Karen who aren’t rude or entitled lol
like if i were named Karen i’d literally go out of my way to change it…if i couldn’t change it legally i would make it a point to go by the nickname “Karrie” or “Ren” or even “Kara” lol
i should start watching u more
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People were calling Courtney from Total Drama a karen even though she isn’t a white person
even if courtney was white she still wouldn’t be a karen!!
@@lxstfulgrxvestone69420 Exactly.
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Haven't seen all of the video yet, but so far I disagree. The vast majority of the time I've heard Karen thrown around, online and offline, was to point out when someone (often a white woman, but not exclusively) is being super entitled and/or having a problem with someone for no apparent reason. Think people berating customer service or retail workers. And if we want a specific example involving race, think to the dog walking incident. Often times she's called the racist karen, for good reason of course
Thats literally the same case as most words that started in the black community
White people steal them, change the context to suit their own needs, give it a few months on TikTok or whatever and bam: no longer black, it’s just “internet talk”
@@whoknows9085
"White people" don't steal words. Americans by and large speak English. Karen is an insult in the English language. There is no white people committee or organisation that determines what words will be stolen from the black community, or how. Its just people speaking a living language.
Maybe watch the entire video.
@@drawingwinxstyle9193
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