Proud to be lds. Struggling badly but nearly with a smile on my face. I'm aware many lds Christian converts, modern day pioneers, endure so much opposition, trials, and hatred. Some may leave as some did in Joseph Smith's time. I sure have but I can hold my ground. I've tapped out plenty times. I was still indeed a super tough soldier in army. That helps drive me back.. Not backing down. Makes me sick what the saints, even Joseph Smith and his family, endured. I know the bible and book of mormon work TOGETHER. There is no bible vs the book of mormon that critics love to try to portray. Good word yall at saints unscripted! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😙 🎶
I am a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints. Not only do I know but I believe and accept The teachings/policies that are taught to me. I hold an honor the higher priesthood for I know that it is true and correct. I must remember articles of faith #11. We the Saints in these latter days have it so well and nowhere as difficult as the Saints in the beginning. We must learn to give thanks and ask for encouragement by way of the heavenly hosts Holy Spirit. For a bunch of youngsters you folks Rock😘👍🏼👌🏽
6:10 ish. Good job but it goes even further than that with the "sticks". Sticks in ancient Isreal literally were books or scrolls. A stick was fashioned smooth, and the paper was wrapped around the stick so that it wouldn't crumple or fold or tear. When a scroll got long, another stick was fashioned and wrapped from the end with new paper, and connected at the seam, so that the two sticks could be rolled up or down to a certain point in the writings. So the stick of Judah is the Bible, or Jewish/ early Christian writings, connected to the stick of Joseph. Which is the scroll or the Book of Mormon. Literally the sticks have been joined, not end to end to make a long stick, but side by side to seal the scroll.
Thank you Zach, when I first heard this my mind went to ancient Ireland and writing on sticks in Ogham. These would be the only written records in existence for centuries.
I love your videos! Thank you so much for making them! I often watch your videos more than once because i tend to go back and write notes and study what you guys say so i can be even more prepared when i read my scriptures; or so that i may be somewhat prepared if someone does hit me with certain questions about my faith and about the Book of Mormon! 💕
Nicholus Valdez Thanks, but I’m good. You can find anything on the internet. I found out for myself through study and prayer; and nobody can take that away from me❤️
@@ChicHulaGirl86 I have a challenge. Give me an example from the book of mormon that is fact based. Meaning, it could be found outside the book of mormon.
Nicholus Valdez I’m sorry, it sounds like you’re trying to convince me of something? But who needs the convincing? Because i sure don’t. Plus, nothing about the Bible or Book of Mormon can be explained purely by “facts”. You can’t prove ANYTHING that happened in the Bible or Book of Mormon actually happened. It doesn’t matter if you take an atheist to Jerusalem or Bethlehem to show them where you “believe” Jesus walked. In the end, you can’t PROVE any of those places from the Bible are ACTUAL locations. There are still two possible locations believed to be the birth place of Jesus. So, you cannot simply FORCE an atheist (or anyone for that matter) to believe anything! No matter the “facts”. An atheist (as well as others) has to ask the Lord for themself if this is true and receive a confirmation through the spirit bearing witness unto them.
Most scholars I have heard say that Mathew ,Mark , Luke and paul's writings were written 55-65 AD, but the book of John and Revelations were written 90 - 95 AD.
The Book of Mormon is true. Don't let it pass you by without giving it a chance. It will change your life and be one of the greatest things you've ever done.
@@somerandom3247 Yet none of them compare. Whether you accept the lds faith or not, many people in the beginning of the church endured a lot of various brutal, unfair treatments. Many got pushed out of different states, humiliated, persecuted, unjustly incarcerated, murdered, and their rights always violated in what's supposed to be America. I'm bold to say comparable to how Jews were being treated in nazi Germany. Why were early lds converts and Joseph Smith treated so?? Because of their belief in the book of mormon. A so called fake book they were willing to get murdered in cold blood for. There was even an incident where a ruthless commander dismissing any legal proceedings, wanted Joseph Smith and other lds leaders gathered up and just shot to death. A good subordinate stepped in, someone who didn't necessarily believe in the book of mormon, but knew such an execution was wrong, absolutely refused the blood thirsty command. Then promised he'd hold the bloodthirsty commander responsible before an earthly tribunal so help him God. Anyways, you really want to get to the bottom of the truth behind Joseph Smith, you'll sincerely read the book of mormon for yourself. Don't let others tell you what to do or believe.
@@bobbq8380 Funny, all the other religions say the same thing about their books...... People being persecuted for believing something doesn't add any validity to those beliefs. None at all. I have read it. It's quite clearly fictional. Even more so than the bible. I find it hard to believe that anyone can read that book and honestly accept it as truth without being brainwashed as a child by their families.
John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
Nek n Tit like your reply is proof Jesus didn't. What are you afraid of? Finding out God had influence over many people? Have you read their book? I find it funny when people will read dead sea scroll fragments, the Septuagint etc. because they're from the middle east but wont read their Book of Mormon. It proves the Bible is true and testifies of Christ. How is that a problem?
@@binmyrtmind it's a problem bc it is not true and is pure delusion. The book of Mormon goes against so many teachings that God gave us in the bible. Jesus is the only God there isn't a bunch of God's and to think we could be a god like the Mormons teach is completely made up and is never found in the Bible. The two books cannot coexist together bc they are so different. And yes I have read the book
Nek n Tit Great, Can you show me what scriptures in the Bible against the Book of Mormon? After all you said you have read the Book of Mormon, the whole (more than 500)pages ? I am sure that you’re telling the truth, honestly.
To all the members who read the comments of the anti “Mormon” people, remember this quote: “Don’t let anyone be the cause of why you left the church. They are not the reason why you go to church in the first place.”
I'm not a Mormon, but if religion is overly popular (like Catholicism) then it's sweet but delivers no bitterness to the eater of the word. Without the bitterness, there's nothing gained from the experience. If people don't possess Gal 5:22-23 then you know they are not fruits of Yah, because regardless of doctrine differences we still have a standard to keep. It says love your neighbour, NOT love your neighbour if they share your beliefs. Be Esther, "...who knows but that you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?" - speak loud, don't let others discourage you! If people don't like what you have to say, it's probably because it's got the bitter truth they don't want to eat!
John 22:18 correlates perfectly with Deuteronomy 4:2. Moses said the same thing. So you could reasonably ask if that means most of the Old Testament is untrue too.
This question always comes up within me every time I hear this mentioned. But the Book of Mormon mentions multiple times that there are OTHER PEOPLES that Christ visited. And that there are OTHER books which god commanded to be written, that god spoke to all nations, and commanded books to be written in all nations, and in the isles of the sea. If so many more books have been written than just the Book of Mormon, and the Bible, and these are the latter days and Christ draws near, then why have these books not been revealed to us yet? And that’s not my real question, my real question is WHY IS THIS NEVER TALKED ABOUT? Why are these “other books” mentioned in the Book of Mormon never mentioned by the church, why is this prophecy of there being more books that “will one day be revealed” never talked about? It’s as if the general public of the church just completely forgot about it
Because they don’t exist. Just like there are no manuscripts for the BoM found in the Americas, there are none for these “other books” in any other location. Jesus never visited the Americas. Mormons interpret the Bible through the lens of JS and LdS teaching whereas it should be the other way around. If it were though the distinct teachings of the LDS church would be shown to be unbiblical.
It’s not that we don’t talk about it, it’s simply that God has not revealed it yet so what information could we possibly give if we don’t even know what they are? The restoration is an ongoing process meaning that if those books aren’t revealed now, then now is not the time for it. God reveals things at an appointed time - in the Lords timing. We just need to be patient :)
I was hoping they’d mention that one about the sealed book coming out of the dust that the learned man said he could not read. Goes right along with Joseph Smith History 1:65
This is such a good example of taking the scriptures completely out of context. You can make the Bible say anything you want it to if you try and read something into it with presuppositions
Awesome video! Its interesting though. I always interpreted Luke 9:27 as Jesus talking about John the Beloved and how he became a translated being, so he won't die until the actual Second Coming. I like your interpretations too. I wonder what church leaders have commented on this subject
@@louyah777 ? Have you not seen the prophecies of them? Come follow me was put into action for Home Centered Church Supported a year before covid when everything shut down. Open your eyes.
As an active member, im sorry but Ezekiel 37 doesn't protect of the book of mormon. If you read the chapter on not just the verse it explains what the sticks represent and what brining the sticks together means. That together with d&c 27:5 show that joseph smith didn't think the stick meant book of mormon either
I LOVE your impression of Christians who deny the Book of Mormon. I deal with them all the time so your impression was spot on. Made me laugh. Anyway, thanks a ton for your videos. I enjoy watching and sharing them!!
If you think delusion is funny then you are sorely deluded yourself... The accent may be funny, but the guys making fun of people who rightly divide the Word of God, and therefore reject blasphemous counterfeits, was not very funny. It simply showed their lack od discernment and LDS biased toward only LDS sancitioned writigs; which if you;d read all of them become very unbiblical vey fast.
Whenever I hear someone say the BIBLE says nothing about the book of Mormon I just have to smile----- its similar to when I ----- as a baseball player ----- would study a pitcher warming up----- And see his fastball location ( knee high middle of the plate ) ----- I would just salivate, waiting to get in the batters box against him----- for I would CRUSH that FB------ same dynamic with christians saying the bible says nothing about the book of Mormon ----- its just sooo funny ! They dont even comprehend how much they have exposed themselves, or their BIBLE IGNORANCE----- PSALMS 85:11--- ISAIAH 29:4 ---- ISAIAH 45:8 ---- DEUTERONOMY 33:19 all speak of the book of Mormon COMING OUT OF THE GROUND ------ plus theres about ten other scriptures in the BIBLE that testify of the book of Mormon.
@@jameswood3257 Were there changes to the Bible? Sure. Probably not as significant as the radical changes made to the D&C from the Book of Commandments between 1833 and 1835. Sculptures and holy texts evolve. Generally changes are greatest early on, but I fully expect additional changes to the LDS cannon over the next decade or two.
God says in Revelation not to add to or take away from His Word. So the book of Mormon is not inspired by God, but just man, otherwise 2000 years ago, it would have been introduced along with the Bible, right? Would God allow thousands of years to pass by without those during those times not experiencing the book of Mormon if it was inspired by God?
Some interesting questions. If you believe that God would never allow people to not be exposed to his complete word, how do you answer the question of why throughout the history of the world did the vast majority of humans on earth not have access to the Bible or its teachings?
@@maritimesteak8540 Actually we are referring to Revelation 22:18-19 where John warns that if anyone adds to or takes away from the words of THIS book... John was not writing in the Bible, he was writing the specific book of Revelation. The Bible was not compiled for hundreds of years after that, so he couldn't have been referring to the book we call the Bible. Bible scholars mostly agree that 1st, 2nd and 3rd John were written after the book of Revelation, so they would be adding to scripture after the book of Revelation was written. So it is obvious that John was warning not to tamper with the text of this specific book of Revelation. It is also helpful to keep in mind that Moses says essentially the same thing in Deuteronomy 4:2, so if you choose to interpret Revelation 22:18-19 in a way that prohibits further scripture, you would have to reject most of the Old Testament and all of the New. Are you sure you want to do that?
I really apologize for anything I may have texted kids! That might have offended! U r so GREAT so strong in the faith it makes me soo proud! We need the strong youth like yourselves sooo badly right now! Don’t ever ever turn away! It’s very scary to see the reports of millennials right now who are slipping into Luke warm faiths, being casual about their memberships and faith! There is just no room for lackadaisical members! We need u guys keep shinning!
After 30 years of learning about then the LDS church, Jesus Himself told me to get out of there because that is pure religion. He is not about religion, but about a relationship. Jesus found me and saved me from the pit; now I am FREE and in love for Jesus where he is moving. Hallelujah!
Which Book of Mormon do you use? The 1830 edition? The pre-1978 editions which said, “white and delightsome” or today’s edition which says, “pure and delightsome”? Do you read the new edition with its 4000 changes or the original edition that was translated by the power of God?
Great question - we use the current day translation. And there have actually been thousands more changes than 4000! We have an episode helping to clarify and explain more about those changes and why they were made. You can watch that episode (Faith and Beliefs ep. 125) here: ua-cam.com/video/J0E_Cp8D_g8/v-deo.html
Question!! At 8:58 , when Revelation 22 is mentioned, since revelation is the last book of the bible doesn’t that mean that it was written last? Or were the books of the bible written out of order?
Great question! Yes, the books of the Bible were essentially written out of order. When compiling it after deciding which books and epistles to include, essentially what they did was take the 4 main Gospels first, as the main focus. Then Acts follows directly after Christ's ascension in the same story-telling method, so that's technically chronological. Next, all of Romans through Hebrews are the "Pauline Epistles" which are all either confirmed to be written by Paul or at least assumed by many to have been (this is highly contested amongst scholars, especially Hebrews), and they are organized by length and recipient, rather than the time they were written. Romans is the longest, then they all get progressively shorter as you go through. Hebrews is at the end, even though it's longer, because they already weren't sure it was Paul's at the time so they placed it separate. Then the epistles of James, Peter, John and Jude all follow essentially the same rule of organizing by longest to shortest while keeping the author's works together. And lastly you have Revelation, which was written by John while in exile on the isle of Patmos, likely before any of his epistles, possibly even his Gospel, were written. So no, the books of the Bible are not all in chronological order, Revelation was likely not the last to be written, and more specifically about that verse saying not to add anything, it is likely it specifically referred to adding or taking away from John's Revelation itself, not all the Word of God that existed at the time. (As a side note, I will say research on this is somewhat difficult considering how highly contested so much of it is, from dates to authors to authenticity) Tl;dr No, the books of the New Testament are not in Chronological Order. Also, neither are the books of the Old Testament: many cover the exact same time periods from different perspectives.
Revelations was written at the end of the 1st century! Several of the epistles of St. Paul and the other New Testament books were written a few decades before. :) only a few books were written after Revelations.
Many forget that many portions of The Book of Mormon came in the middle of The Old Testament and before The New Testament. Why do we even need the book of Mormon when there is the Bible already? The problem is that the rest of Christianity reads the bible and they can't agree on many points of doctrine, The Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible that helps clear up some of those points and clarifies others. It helps to put down false doctrines and establish correct ones.
While I am a member, and I do agree that Book of Mormon references do show up in the Bible… I think it is incredibly reasonable that many do not see significance in things like Ezekiel 37:19 or Luke 9:27. I think there are very valid interpretations of these verses that do not present evidence for the Book of Mormon.
Jesus came the first time not to condemn the world but to save it. When he comes a second time it will be to condemn. He didn’t come a second time to reveal to Joseph some new scriptures.
Amen Mathew.24 warns us of that. Not to.believe.when they say look he is in the chambers. No way would Jesus apeared to Joseph Smith. Nor could have seen God. No man can see God and live . Matthew 24:26 King James Version 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Exodus 33:20 King James Version 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
@@ivonnemeza7923 joseph never said that Jesus is in the chambers, neither did he ever try to claim to anyone that Jesus is in some chamber, where people can go and meet him. Christ second coming is about his coming in glory to destroy the wicked, nothing in the scriptures deny the possibility for him to appear to people between his ministry and the grand second coming. In fact, John saw christ on the isle of Patmos long after his ascension to heaven. Peter saw Christ when he escaped Rome. During this encounter, Christ said to Peter that he is going to Rome to be crucified again. This made Peter ashamed and thus he returned to Rome to receive his martyrs death instead of fleeing. This is a well know early christian tradition of Peters death.
@@ivonnemeza7923 and if you think that no man can see God and live, how do you explain Moses? He saw God face to face. Also Stephen saw God and Christ on his right hand. Examples are many. In fact Joshua saw God before the attack on the promised land started, how do we know this. The Lord he met on his way, commanded him to take off his shoes, as the burning bush did for Moses, for the land is holy, due to God's presence. Joshia fell on the ground and worshipped this human looking heavenly being, and he accepted his worship. If this was only a man or regular angel, he would have forbidden Joshua from worshipping him. This happened to John at Patmos. When he fell down to worship the messenger, who was showing the vision of the book of revelation, the being forbade John and said not to do so, since he is only his fellow servant, one of the prophets of old. If the heavenly being, who came to Joshua was in the same way a servant of God, he would have acted accordingly to Joshua when he worshipped him after taking off his shoes.
@@SuperSaiyanKrillin I have felt the love and warmth of the spirit in the Bible and the Book of Mormon but nothing compared to when I read 3 Nephi chapter 11 in the Book of Mormon it has brought me to tears and have felt the love of God. It was at that time I knew the Book of Mormon was true.
Interpreting these pieces of scripture in this way completely disregards the context of these passages. Also for anyone that doesn’t understand different Bibles, they are different translations in different languages of the same manuscripts. The same Greek and Hebrew is used to translate all of them, they are not different stories or books.
I was hoping someone would say this. Context and knowing how the Bible is translated is super important when studying the Bible. As someone who speaks two languages and has Bibles in both languages, I did not really appreciate the comments made in the first minute or so of the video, because it shows a lack of knowledge, respect, and wonderment for how the Bible came to be canonized and how it is translated and spread to different languages and cultures. The Bible I have in both languages is the same Bible with the same meaning and same doctrine as it is the true Word of God that has been carefully passed down through generations and will last for all eternity according the Lord's promise. Context is something many people both Christian and not struggle with. People love to take verse out of context to support any and all beliefs, but when you put it back into context with the surrounding verses, history of the Bible, and the overarching message of the Bible, you will see the truth.
There are approximately 5,800 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. In addition, there are 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in other languages.
As the Bible foretold, restoration of the full true Gospel has come forth as the Book of Mormon, Biblical prophets foretold of new scriptures Christ refers to a whole other civilization of people of a different location he needs to visit after resurrection - John 10:16 An ancient truth-bearing record of an ancient civilization will be restored from out of the ground in the midst of worldwide iniquity - Psalms 85:11, Isaiah 29:4 The Lord speaks of a wondrous book that will restore the Gospel but will not be accepted by the wise - Isaiah 29:10 & 14 The restored gospel would come about with 2 to 3 witnesses - 2 Cor. 13:1, Matthew 18:16 Full Gospel restored to Earth in midst of end times by an angel (Moroni) - Revelation 14:6-7 An unlearned man will have a night vision of an undecipherable book that educated men can not read. The book will be delivered to the unlearned man for translation even though the scholars can't understand it - Isaiah 29:10-14 Actual description of Book of Mormon recovery (the story of Joseph Smith) - Isaiah 29:4-18, Ezekiel 37:16-20 Holy Bible (Stick of Judah) and the Book of Mormon (stick of Joseph) to be combined into one book that a person can hold in his hand - Ezekiel 37:16-20 Bonus: The biblical curse of adding to the scriptures is meant to protect the individual works of the prophets, not the entire Bible itself. If it was meant for the entire Bible, no scriptures would exist past the book of Deuteronomy. The "Don't add, don't remove" statement is all over the place in the Bible: See Rev. 22:18-19, Deut. 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6, etc. All the books the books written after Deuteronomy would be false if they will use the protestant logic.
Well I’ll admit that you have a lot of interesting things to think about but...you are very wrong and here’s why. The Bible’s tells us that anyone can look the part but if they lead u after another Jesus then they are a false teacher and should be condemned. So by that statement made by Paul outright destroys the LDS church. John 1:1-3; 14 clearly tells us who Jesus is. Isaiah tells us the the messiah would be called Emmanuel or Immanuel which means in Hebrew “GOD with us” Jesus is God. Phillipians 2 reinforces this. The Book of Mormon contracts Joseph Smiths teaches on the plurality of gods. Testimony of the Three Witnesses teaches the Trinity. Mosiah 15:1-5 reinforces this too as well as other scriptures in the Book of Mormon. Smith again taught plurality of gods which is contradictory to Isaiah in several spots where Isaiah writes that there is only one God and there is no other besides Him. You cannot become a god one day. Revelation states that He is the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, first and the last. God always has been and always will be. He is the only God in Heaven. The Book of Mormon is not taught in the Bible anywhere. If you read and pray with an open heart and ask God of what the scriptures say then He will grant you eyes to see and ears to hear His voice in the Word.
@@collinshaw4917 There's one God, we believe that. Jesus is God incarnate, we believe that. yet consider the words of Origen while having a conversation with Heraclides : “Origen said: ‘Was He God distinct from this God in whose form He was?’ “Heraclides said: ‘Obviously distinct from the other and, while being in the form of the other, distinct from the Creator of all.’ “Origen said: ‘Is it not true, then, that there was a God, the Son of God and only begotten of God, the first born of all creation (Col. 1.15), and that we do not hesitate to speak in one sense of two Gods, and in another sense of one God?’ “Heraclides said: ‘What you say is evident. But we too say that God is the almighty, God without beginning, without end, who encompasses all and is encompassed by nothing, and this Word is the Son of the living God, God and man, through whom all things were made, God according to the Spirit, and man from being born of Mary.’ “Origen said: ‘You don't seem to have answered my question. Explain what you mean, for perhaps I didn't follow you. The Father is God?’ “Heraclides said: ‘Of course.’ “Origen said: ‘The Son is distinct from the Father?’ “Heraclides said: ‘Of course, for how could He be son if He were also father?’ “Origen said: ‘And while being distinct from the Father, the Son is Himself also God?’ “Heraclides said: ‘He is Himself also God.’ “Origen said: ‘And the two Gods become a unity?’ “Heraclides said: ‘Yes.’ “Origen said: ‘We profess two Gods?’ “Heraclides said: ‘Yes, [but] the power is one.’ . . . “What, then, is the meaning of such sacred texts as: Before me no other god was formed, nor shall there be any other after me (Isa. 43.10), and the text: I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me (Deut. 32.39)? In these texts, one is not to think that the unity refers to the God of the universe in his purity (as the heretics would say) apart from Christ, nor that it refers to Christ apart from God; but we say that it is just as Jesus expresses it: I and the Father are one (John 10.30).’” (Origen, ca. 246, Dialogue with Heraclides 1-4, in Ancient Christian Writers 54.58-60)
You talk about ppl reading the Bible however they want and then immediately proceed to read the Bible however you want, ignoring that the prophecies and passages you brought up have much better explanations from scholars and theologians than your unfounded interpretations 🤷♂️
Exactly! They are Bible scholars and spent years studying the Bible, the ancient texts and so on! That’s why people should believe them rather than believing true Bible scholars who with one voice claimed that the Book of Mormon is nothing but fiction because the golden plates can never be found.
Sadrack Jean Baptiste, bible scholars are not prophets and apostles. Hence, their explanations may not always be accurate. God gave the church apostles and prophets for a reason (Ephesians 2:19-20 & 4:11-14).
Samoa Moni but what about a prophet or apostles whose explanation contradict scriptures, or the words of God!? You mormons keep claiming that the Book of Mormon is the most accurate book on earth, your scriptures and your prophets preach a god that once was a man, that’s nowhere in the Bible! You add works to salvation, nowhere in the Bible! When I discovered those irregularities between the Bible and your Books, I just did what any sound-minded person would! Out of the book I found my way lolll! And I will pull out of this demonic church every member of my family! In the mighty name of Jesus!!!
Guys, the remark by Jesus in Luke 9:27 about "there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God" is likely a reference to John the beloved becoming translated later, in which he will not taste of death, until Jesus comes a second time, which of course Jesus knew would happen
I love the irony of the video starting out talking about Christians using a 17th century english translation while using the BOM that is written in the 19th century using also using 17th century english. Either the author of the golden plates spoke in a english dialect that wasnt spoken for 1,500 years after his death or Joseph Smith decided to translate the plates in an english dialect that HE didnt speak either. Why did Moroni or Joseph smith write the BOM in the same style as the king james version. For ex: "not because ye see not, for ye receive no witness until after the trial of your faith." People didn't speak like this in Moroni's time or Smith's. So why not translate it in (1848) common day talk?
I know this is probably late and I might not get a reply but I'm trying to figure out if the LDS church is true and I was going through the comments and I have just watched the video and there is evidence that supports the truthfulness of the church. However, I'm lost, many of the comments seem to be based on that person's interpretation of the bible, I've done a lot of research on LDS doctrine, not just the book of Mormon. A lot of it was opinion based but others provided solid evidence against the LDS doctrine. I'm currently reading the book of Mormon and the bible as well. Through research, I found a few things that did concern me, in Moroni 8:8 says that children do not have sinful nature ( please correct me if I'm wrong) but in the bible, it says in Psalms 51:5, King David teaches that children have this sinful nature at birth. Another thing that did concern me was in 2 Nephi 25:23 and in Moroni 10:32, It states that by "grace we are saved, after all, we can do", is this saying that we are saved by our works? In the bible, it says in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of works, lest anyone should boast." Once again correct me if I'm wrong, and don't give an answer to "The Bible is wrong or the book of Mormon is wrong" solid evidence is much appreciated because I'm really trying to put my faith in something that is true and not false.
Another thing I have to ask is about the Pearl of Great price, the book of Abraham was proven to be a false translation given by Joseph Smith. Smith said that it was a book of Abraham's dealings in Egypt, however, it was proven that this was false, the papyrus that Smith used for translation actually was talking about Osiris and Anubis, two Egyptian gods. Does this make Joseph a false prophet?
I think a common mis conception is that we believe the more good deeds we do the more we are saved, but thats not what is meant by works. James 2: 14-26 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Kurt Davis John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. There are neccessary ordinaces talked about in the Bible that are neccessary. So while baptism, and repentance, teaching the gospel etc etc are neccessary works that he asks of us in order to be faithfully following him. No works such as how much good you do or don't do is not the conditional works that are talked about in the Bible. Just like the parable of the talents.
Nephi and his people lived 600 yrs BCE and were practicing Mosaic Law (a very arduous and demanding set of religious rules and regulations, required by God.) No "salvation by grace" had yet been made available to the world. Nephi was speaking to his people, while Moroni was certainly quoting Nephi. This is only part of the explanation though, since we certainly believe the Biblical words of James that faith without works is dead. BTW, "faith vs works" is a very old Christian debate and predates the Latter-Day Saints.
Matthew 10:24 brother. Jesus claimed that He will be the reason people can't get along. Some will follow Him; others will stray because they have been deceived or outright reject Him.
A book in the Book of Mormon called Mosiah chapter 14 we find the whole 53rd chapter of Isaiah in King James English. The Mormons will argue that the people of that day (about 148 B.C.) had access to the Jewish Scriptures therefore quoted directly from the Old Testament prophet who lived about 600 B.C. If that were true, how is it they used 1611 English which had not even been translated yet? Obviously, Joseph Smith, or the writer of Mosiah had access to an English bible that was common around 1830 when Joseph Smith dreamed up this new church. It is plagiarism plain and simply. The BOM lists numerous things such as silk, horses, honeybees, coins, etc. that did not appear until hundreds of years later when the Europeans arrived. The Pearl of Great Price, Abraham chapter four shows a polytheistic view of God which no sane Rabbi would fall for.
Uh...the Book of Mormon was written in 1830...the newest of the Old Testament prophecies was written THOUSANDS of years before that! Anyone could have read the OT prophecies and copied them down in the Book of Mormon?!? That’s not proof of the accuracy of Book of Mormon, it’s proof of accuracy of the Old Testament!?!! There’s so much wrong here.
OK so who else wrote what needed to be finished? Also the bible talks about the telestial, terrestrial, and celestial kingdom. No other churches really believe or talk about it but the boom of mormon does. Also since the bible talks about this book what book is it that it prophesies will come?
You're right, anyone could've copied them down. But sir, that isn't how the Book of Mormon came to pass. I think you need to read it before you can truthfully contradict it. And actually, the Book of Mormon was not written in 1830. That's when it was translated.
Tommy Moffett I’ve read it....it contradicts the Bible in many ways and it is virtually unverifiable when comparing the historical record. That’s not the case with the Bible
@@2HungerandThirst People say same or similar things about the bible. That absolutely no proof of bible at all. You really think atheists care at all that a handful of known names and locations are in the bible?? As far as they're concerned, the Jewish people then Christian people fabricated the bible and made it say what they wanted it to say. Likewise, do critics say about the book of mormon minus pinpointed geography.
I love you guys, and I love watching your videos. I don’t believe in the Book of Mormon (for many reasons) but I find all of the LDS beliefs to be so intriguing! Also, just some constructive criticism, non-Mormons believe that Joseph Smith made the whole thing up, so you’re not going to win any of them over by showing prophesies from the Bible that were fulfilled in the Book of Mormon. It’s just automatically assumed that Joseph Smith read the Bible and then “fulfilled” the prophecies when he wrote the Book of Mormon. But don’t stop making videos! If you can prove to me that the BOM is true, I will believe it, I’m a truth seeker!
Hey Grim I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I’m so glad you’re seeking truth.We has humans should seek truth in ALL forms,have you tried reading the Book of Mormon and drawing your own conclusions on whether it is true or not?
@@alextheskaterdude07 yeah its hard to describe how we know it’s true because every member has a different moment when they come to that conclusion. The only way we know it’s true is because we read it and pondered on it. Obviously there’s more depth to just reading and thinking but I can’t explain it all in a yt comment :)
@@alextheskaterdude07 For the boys who had their testicles removed (to provide more wives for the church elders) the Book of Mormon isn't fit for toilet paper.
So translating the Bible into different languages make the Bible a different Bible? What? Study any amount of languages even modern qnd you know direct translation often does not make sense. There are sects of Catholic and Orthodox that have a few other books. Some accept Enoch as inspired ect.
To echo what they Kwaku said The Book of Mormon is written in prophecy. A little context first. God said the House of Israel is his chosen covenant people. And He had made a covenant with them which consists of the 12 Tribes of Israel. The 2 tribes that I want to pay particular attention to is the House of Judah and the House of Joseph. Joseph had 2 sons and one of the sons was named Ephraim. God promised that the house of Ephraim would prosper. Zachariah 10:6-9 "...and I will SAVE THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH, and I will Bring Them Again To Place Them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the Lord their God, and will hear them. 7 And they of Ephraim(son of Joeseph) shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the Lord. 8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. 9 And I will sow them among the people: and They Shall REMEMBER ME IN FAR COUNTRIES; and they shall live with their children, and turn again." God promised to come visit The House of Israel, or the 12 Tribes. "...Joseph saw Ephraim’s children of the third generation: the children also of Machir the son of Manasseh were brought up upon Joseph’s knees. 24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you..." Gen 50:23-24 "And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you," Genesis 50:25 "...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt15:25) If Christ was not sent but unto the House of Israel, and He visited Judah already by being born and ministering for 3 years and being resurrected and showing himself to 500 people (1Corinth 15:6), it makes sense that he would visit all the Tribes, or at least, the righteous ones, because He made a promise in Genesis above. Jesus said "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."John 10 14:16, I think mainstream Christianity believes that He was talking about the Gentiles, Christ was not going to visit the Gentiles. Remember, He said, "...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." "For they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through THEIR preaching." 'THEIR' means Israel descendants. "...and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at any time hear my voice-that I should not manifest myself unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost." 3rdNephi15:22-23. The Gentiles are not of the House of Israel and would be adopted in later, the first shall be last and the last shall be first. He visited the House of Ephraim because they are of the House of Israel! The Nephites are of the house of Joseph and Ephraim. And Christ did "surely visit them." Gen 50:23-24 Prophecy is written that 2 books would be written by the descendants of, or the House of Judah(TheBible), and the descendants of, or the House of Joseph (Book of Mormon), would come forth and that they would be one in God's hand. The verses below will use the word stick, which means scripture or scroll. Ezekiel 37:16-19 "...thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand." "...Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand."
For those who say that the Book of Mormon is not true, then i have a few questions. Do you truly believe that Jesus Christ is God? If Jesus speaks, do you listen and believe? In John 10:16, the Savior says: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. I dont care if you believe in the Book of Mormon or not, because it is between you and God and not anyone else what you believe. But if you truly say that you believe Jesus is God and that he spoke those words, then how can you not believe that he did what he said in appearing to others not of his current fold and that he would bring them into his fold? There are records from multiple cultures around the world that state they were visited by God. All stories are different, but does that make them all untrue? There are recorded histories from Russia, China, Japan, India, and many other countries/cultures that profess their ancestors had visits from a God. Many of their stories have similar teachings as what was taught by Jesus Christ in Jerusalem. Are their stories untrue? Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the Book of Mormon came from people who lived in the Americas somewhere. Have you done any research to find any truths to that claim? The Sioux (Dakota), Potawatomi (Bodéwadmi), Stockbridge (Mahican), and other Indian peoples residing in Wisconsin and Canada. Delegations from the Sauk (Asakiwaki) and Fox (Meskwaki) tribes among many other tribes in North America state in their oral and written histories that their ancestors had visits from the great Spirit. There are also artifacts being found that prove their ancestors were already religious before any Christian missionaries came to them. In Central and South America, only 1% of the ancient ruins have been discovered, uncovered, or researched. Multiple of the native people who live in Central or in South America have also stated that their ancestors had visits from a Great Spirit or a God. There are also ancient artifacts that depict the visitations as well as a religious culture having been present. At least 75% of the anachronisms written in the Book of Mormon have now been found either in South, Central, or in North America. So in the end, if you can only believe that only the Isrealites had God and wrote scripture, then you are blind to the histories of people across the world. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. How can God be a merciful God and only tell one people his word and leave the rest to never know him past or present? He didnt leave them to their own devices, because he loved everyone. Jesus knew that his Apostles didnt know there were people in other lands where they couldn't travel to preach. So he said he would go himself. Believe in the Book of Mormon or not, but its a fact that something happened around the world whether you believe it or not. Someday all will be judged. Do you want to be open to possibilities or closed to his word because its not in the Bible? You decide!
Jesus loves everyone. He died and only through his grace are we saved. There are a lot of unanswered questions that we may not know. Why didn’t Jesus visit china, Southern Africa, Europe, ect… And for all we know he may have. HOWEVER the issue is not with the fact of Christ revealing himself to the Americans it’s that the Bible has over 80,000 original manuscripts. There is no proof of the original gold plates besides some affidavits. The genealogy doesn’t match up to the way the BOM describes. The concern is are you following what Jesus Christ said or what Joseph said. This JST is added in Genesis 50: 24-38. A prophecy about Joseph smith and the latter days that wasn’t in any other copy of the Bible. What about the JST in Exodus 33: 20,23 that says that no sinful man can see the lords face? Joseph smith claims to have seen God and Christ with his own eyes. Either he’s a liar, not a sinner or the translation is wrong, and in Deuteronomy, 18:22 it teaches that to test a prophet, and he fails this test. Joseph’s teachings contradict each other and the Bible and most importantly JESUS CHRISTS WORD. They cannot both be true. The concern is do you know Jesus for who he was? I pray that you can learn of Christ the way the Bible teaches and make sure you are in line with that before branching off.
Good video brethren... I'll just like to add a couple more Psalm 85:11-13 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. 12 Yea, the Lord shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase. 13 Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps. The book of Mormon came out of the earth, and it is truth and light. Righteousness did look down from heaven for the Father and the Son did visit Joseph Smith. The Lord did give that which is good. For his authority, covanents, ordinances, commandments, doctrines, temples, his church and kingdom where restored to the earth. This is good. America is an abundant land and gives of her increase, especially to the faithful and obedient. The book of Mormon brings forth the ways of the Lord that his righteousness shall go before him and " The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after His resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.".... Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” So there you go prophecy being fulfilled. And they say the Bible doesn't speak of the Book of Mormon, it does oh and one more... Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, An angel from heaven had to deliver the everlasting gospel to be preached unto us on the earth because it was taking away from the earth because of wickedness and apostasy. Now it has been restored. This is just a couple more to add to the list brethren..
Dear sir, Bible believing Christians stand firmly on the Bible being the complete accurate and finished revelation of God to all mankind through all the ages. Based on, ( for instance), Christ's Apostle Paul's great proclamation in 2 Timothy Ch 3 13-17, I can completely trust the perfect and all encompassing sufficiency of the Holy Bible for everything needed pertaining to the christian faith and walk, praise God. The Holy Bible itself is the most correct book on earth, it alone is the Keystone of the Christian faith, and abiding by it's precepts makes us 'wise unto salvation' The Lord Jesus Christ is himself being the way, the truth and the life. Kind regards to you.
@@geoffnoyes520 2 Timothy 3:13-17 never says which books are the scriptures. The argument could be made since Timothy had the scriptures it doesn't include the New Testament. If you are going to use those verses to define scriptures you must cut out your New Testament which hadn't been assembled or completely written at that time.
Geoff Noyes, while a cherish many truths in the Bible, you are wrong. The Bible has been tampered with. There are missing scriptures and contradictions in the bible.
You guys need to address contrary arguments seriously instead of saying that "it's just not". That doesn't convince anyone and I don't think that's productive. Edit: As I watch more I also see a lot of strawmen set up of Christians.
The Bible is the word of God, it is stunning to think it is not, you just insulted many people, with your comments. The bible is proven to be the true Word of God, they have been authenticated by archaeologists, Historians, NO document of antiquity has as much evidence to confirm its reliability as the bible. John 16:13 And the truth of God is found in the Word of God. John 17:17 Thus, to those who believe these sacred words are life itself but to those without the Spirit the Bible is nothing but foolishness. If you were grounded in the scriptures of the Bible you would reverse your thoughts, it is obvious that you are not. 1 Cor 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to Him, he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The Bible is the highest Law of God. The only place we can find a clear unmistakable message is in the Word of God. No writer changed the meanings, except Joseph Smith, NO one should deny the authentication of the bible. How we received the bible is a miracle in itself. It is about a man's redemption as it is through Jesus Christ.
Jesus did not come to.the Americas Jesus did not apeared.to.Joseph Smith nor did he saw God Matthew 24:26 King James Version 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Exodus 33:20 King James Version 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Galationsb1:6-12 But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have been preached unto you k let him be cursed. This book nullifies the Book of Moreman If the lost tribe of Israel were the Native Americans then they would have some DNA showing Jewish ancestors which they do not BOM talking about horses goats and other animals that we not on either the North American or South American Continents until the Spanish brought them over in the 1490s
Your theory on what “some shall not taste death” is dead wrong. It’s explained in doctrine n covenants that an apostle literally *has not died* not to mention the 3 immortal nephites
I came here to comment the same. I don't think they captured that very well. In Mark 9:1 it says: "Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God arrive with power." I think John, and some others were blessed to not taste of death until the 2nd coming. The "Kingdom of God arriv[ing] with power" is the 2nd coming. We say the same with the so-called "3 Nephites", and there are probably others who have been blessed to roam the earth for centuries according to the Lord's desire/word/value. In other words, I don't think Christ's visit to the America's fulfills those words of Christ in the Holy Land.
They don't comprehend, though. They are spiritually blinded to the truth of Jesus. We can easily see how powerful Satan is. In their own religion, Satan wanted everyone to become as gods. So now we have a real "religion" that preaches this, and people believe it? It's sad that these young men will perish as it stands.
I think it would be a good idea to expound more on the stick of Ephraim and Judah. there may be a lot of people that don't understand. Just a thought...
You are right about the Bible not being dropped out of the sky one day. As a matter of fact the Bible as we know it today was never written for us to read. The letters to Timothy were addressed to Timothy not you and I. Romans was to Rome and so on. We can get good things from it but it is not the Word Of GOD JESUS is the WORD OF GOD.
What would be the point of Jesus' visit to the Americas if the Nephites were all destroyed and his visit quickly forgotten? Not much for salvation, here!
the Nephites got destroyed 400 years after Jesus came to the Americas and the reason he would come is to teach them about baptism and the sacrament and other gospel truths they were missing. The whole reason for there destruction was they were not faithful and because of there unbelief and sinful behavior they all got destroyed.
John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to me voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. Since when does "I must bring" mean or translate to he went?
Oh anti cuuuuuuuuuilt, that clears everything right up, they are anti Following Jesus and His Living associates, because that would be super cult like behavior right? Lol
The literal translation of the Hebrew word Messiah is the Christ. The word Messiah appears in the Old Testament (pre Christ/ Messiah)only twice. That’s in the Book of Daniel. Now. The word Christ (AKA Messiah) appears in the Book of Mormon pre Christ/Messiah over 50 times. It goes far into details regarding Christian theology pre-Christ than the Old Testament does. You can say the Book of Mormon is more Christian than the Bible is.
What’s more likely? Jesus favored one civilization far more than another at the same time period and revealed much more about the savior? OR A book was written in the 19th century almost 2000 years after Christ where all the details about his life were readily available and easy to write about in the pre Christ section of the BOM?
I find it kind of blasfemous how you refer to the bible as fake or worthless if not for the book of Mormon, how can you call yourself christians if you believe such things.
Sola scriptura has been debunked by the great debate. Protestants vs Mormons. Sponsored by James whites apologia group from about a year ago. It’s 3hrs but well worth it.
I'm always confused about who your target audience is. The title uses the word 'evidence.' But what you present would only be considered as Biblical evidence of the Book of Mormon by a small set of people who already believe there is Biblical evidence for the Book of Mormon. Who are you guys trying to persuade?
Which one? Protestant Bible, Catholic Bible, Eastern Orthodox Bible, Coptic or Ethiopian Bible? Each one has more books than the last. And, of course, the New Testament was an addition to the Old. The Jews blatantly rejected it. So who except God is to say that there can be no more books?
The Bible has different translations from the same manuscripts Please people listen the Book of Mormon is not true how can it come after the Bible have contradictions to the Bible and be called the true word of God Galatians 1 8-9
Hi! My name’s Rebecca! First of all, I want to say that I love your videos! You seem to be very intelligent people and I find your passion for what you believe very beautiful. This being said, I completely disagree with lds teachings. 😅 As I was listening to this video I was a bit disappointed because you took things out of context and generalize in a disrespectful way what Christians believe and say. You gave false information in this video that would be quite easy to refute and so I’d encourage you to look at those informations to see if there’s any chance you could be mistaken. I’m talking with lds missionaries and recently I started looking at the "prophecies" in the Bible about the book of mormon (according to the lds church) since they wanted to talk about that next time. I could easily refute most of them if not all. Why? Because there is no prophecy in the Bible about the book of mormon. There is a very logical explanation for every single verse that seems to talk about it. And no, there isn’t many Bible. We have something very very close to the original in the original language and yes although there are many translations, some being incorrect, we can always go to the original text to see wether a translation is trustworthy or not. That’s how we know the KJV is very accurate. Anyways, if you ever want to discuss those questions I’d be glad to talk with you. If not, I’d just like to encourage you to really look at both side of the question. Read the Bible just for the sake of understanding what it’s really saying. God bless you! 😊
Rébecca Landry, everybody claims that another is taking anything in the bible out of context. I could say the same about you, and so can Kwaku. With all due respect, I highly doubt you have the original scriptures to compare the bible to for accuracy in translation. Otherwise, you may go ahead and enlighten me.
Hi Samoa Moni! Thank you so much for your answer! What you’re saying is very true! We can all say others take scriptures out of context but it doesn’t mean we’re right. We have to back up our opinions with logical reasoning and evidences. And no, we don’t have the original scriptures, that’s for sure, but when we study history and ancient text’s reliability we can have a great confidence in the copies we have in the original language. It would be hard to explain all this here but if you ever want to talk more about it, I’d love to hear your opinion and help you understand mine! I hope you’ll have a great day! God bless you!
Rébecca Landry, thanks for the reply. Here’s the thing. We all claim to have studied history, ancient Hebrew and so on. Our church has scholars who studied history and and ancient biblical cultures, just like your affiliates have. While knowledge in history are so valuable, it does not beat the testimony of the Holy Ghost that bears witness of the truth. Logical explanations won’t cut it, which tend to rely mainly on man’s wisdom. Another problem, atheists claim to have logical explanations and that religious beliefs are illogical. From a secular perspective, the resurrection of Christ and his miracles are illogical. That’s the problem if we rely solely on logic instead of the spirit. I used to visit many denominations, and I realized that none place importance on relying on the power of the Holy Ghost to know truth. Our church places a lot of emphasis on relying on the Holy Ghost to know truth. Even our missionaries tell investigators to pray to God to know the truth. We don’t let people take our word for it. Also, I believe the Bible contains a lot of evidence to support our church. So, if you wanna share your views with me, feel free to do so. I don’t mind having a discussion, as long as respect prevails. Have a nice day.
Samoa Moni, I understand what you’re saying but I disagree. I think the Bible is well supported by history, science and logic. You don’t need to study a whole lot to see it makes so much sense. In the Bible it says to test every claim with scripture not with the holy spirit. Jesus showed His trust in the scriptures and told us to use them also. Yes atheists claim that religious beliefs aren’t logical but they’re wrong and it’s not because they think that way that we should just say goodbye to logic. As for me I rely on the word of God to know what’s true even when it seems to go against my logic sometimes. But the holy spirit does have a very important place in the picture because the main reason for why I believe the Bible is because the holy spirit used it to change my life. But now, more I study it more I see it is very true and more I can know God. Does that make sense? And by the way, would you be interested in talking on the phone or something like that? I’m not very good with writing (especially since english is not my first language) so it might be easier for me. If you don’t feel comfortable with that, there’s no problem at all! Just let me know.
Rébecca Landry, English is not my first language either. Your English is fine, I thought I was replying to a native speaker. Are you at least a native speaker of another Germanic language - just curious. Anyway, I’d rather have the discussion on youtube, thanks though. And as for testing the scriptures, you have a point, but the testing must involve the Holy Ghost as the one with the final say. Science does lend support for the bible up to a certain point, but it does not prove the bible to be true. Atheist scientists claim to have disproven the bible. So who is right then? Many Christians have lost faith and became atheists because they believe that science disproves the bible. I see many flaws in such claims, but many don’t see what you and I see and have abandoned the faith. So, science alone won’t cut it. It’s always good to have secular knowledge, but the witness of the Holy Ghost surpasses all. I’m glad you’ve found truth in the bible because it does contain a lot of truth that many people don’t realize.
I want to give a non-Mormon perspective of these passages because these guys talk about understanding the Bible in its context, but they use none here, and a few corrections need to be made. It is sort of a long post, but I think these things are important. 1.) Genesis 49: Honestly, I don't really see the connection here to the BOM so not much to comment. 2.) John 10: Kwaku says that Jesus says he "Must VISIT them". This is said nowhere in John 10, and Kwaku is adding these words (unless its a BOM quote). Jesus seems to be speaking here about Gentile believers, but this passage in no way necessitates that Jesus himself will show up again in another country. In fact, scripture makes it pretty clear that when Jesus comes back, it will be a universal event. The apostles going out to the Gentiles perfectly makes sense of this passage. 3.) Isaiah 29: they said this can't be understood except in light of the golden plates coming from the ground/dust. This is wrong. The prophecy is about God's punishment against Jerusalem. A voice speaking or mumbling from the ground is not about prophecy or God's words being in the ground at all. It is talking about how Jerusalem will speak lowly from the ground rather than give loud boasts because of the destruction God will bring. This is far from a heart-warming prophecy of Joseph finding the golden plates. 4.)Ezekiel 37: I don't mean to be rude here, but this just seems to be a case of not reading more than just the two verses quoted. They say the two sticks are the Bible people and the BOM people creating two witnesses to make one witness of Jesus together. The passage tells us exactly what the two sticks are. It is God telling his people Israel that he is taking the two divided nations- Israel (Joseph/Ephraim) and Judah- and making them one again. Yes, the sticks are symbolic, but not in the way these fellas make it. Also, the passage says that he will make them a nation on the mountains of Israel (v. 22). These guys say the exact opposite will happen because the Nephites have gone and made another nation in the Americas, so this literally cannot be about the Nephites. 5.) Luke 9: They say this passage is only fulfilled if the BOM is true when Jesus goes to the Americas. Again, this is taking the scripture out of context. Every time in the synoptic gospels that Jesus says this, it is followed immediately by the transfiguration (Matthew 17(the quote is last verse of ch. 16), Mark 9, Luke 9). So this quote refers not to the second coming, but to the transfiguration. Some of those standing there (Peter, James, and John) saw the full glory of Christ, and thus, the kingdom of God. The prophecy is always fulfilled literally in the next verse. Plus, this prophecy still in no way can apply to Jesus going to the Americas, because it says that some standing there will see the kingdom of God. No one there saw Jesus going to the Americas.
Hi, thanks for your point of view. I simply want to express my point of view as well. If you disagree, I hope we don't start a discussion. 1.) Genesis 49 expresses the blessing Jacob gave to Joseph and how his offspring will have a special place for the Lord. The Book of Mormon shows how the tribe of Joseph is blessed since Lehi and his family decend from Joseph. 2.) The explanation to this can be found in 3 Nephi 15: 16-24. It's online. 3.) & 4.) We believe Isaiah's prophecies can be sort of applied twice. There are chapters, that refer to the ongoing war between the tribes, but if you read it, it also seems to be talking about the last days as well. It's like the gathering of Israel, while Jerusalem was eventually restored in its day, in the last days we too believe that the gathering of Israel will ocurre before the return of Christ, it's very interesting and you can look more specific examples later, but in this cases, it is that way. While the voice from the dust is a scary thought for the judgements of Jerusalem, it is also for THE judgement, the words of the Book of Mormon from the dust declare the Gospel and justice. The two nations coming together is promised for that time and in the last days those tribes will declare together (Book of Mormon and Bible) and be a central point for the gathering of Israel. 5.) I actually agree with you, this last bit is Kwaku's opinion, and there's not a church statement on this. Good day :)
Jesus did not appeared to Joseph Smith nor did he see God. Jesus did not come to the Americas. Matthew 24:26 King James Version 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Exodus 33:20 King James Version 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
hey guys 2 nephi 25:23 it is grace we are saved AFTER ALL WE CAN DO. This clearly implies that we need to do something to earn the grace. this TOTALLY goes against the word of God which is the bible. Epesians 2:8-9 for by grace we are saved through faith. AND THIS IS NOT YOUR WORKS but its the gift of God, not a result of works... now if we go back to
Also I always assume when he says there are some of you standing here that shall not taste of death before I return... I've always assumed you was talking about John right there. Because we believe John is still alive on the earth
Nowhere, my man. Actually, I am researching about early American science fiction literature. Within a 5-10 year timespan before the bom, authors were presenting similar literature and fiction ways of thinking. It's my hypothesis based on historical reality that Smith loved the new style of literature AND Christianity and wanted to make a go at writing an American science fiction piece presented as "truth."
John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Two propets will yet speak words of God, new scripture for 3 and a half years spoken of in Revelation. The Bible itself teaches there will be more Bible, or in other words more scripture, which mean the Bible cannon is not complete.
@@tylerschaos5420 If you are saying that the whole BOM is true then where is the evidence? There is no geographical evidence, no DNA evidence, no physical evidence, no historical evidence. Even it's own writer refutes it.
@@cmichealodom wdym Joseph smith was willing to die for his beliefs and and all of the witnesses even the ones that left the church later said they believe in the Book of Mormon and it is true. Also there is geological evidence for the Book of Mormon it is in modern day America and where Moroni buried the plates was in New York.
The Bible says salvation is a free gift from God, Not of works.....LDS scripture says it's after "all you can do" Grace has a proviso in your beliefs that you can never live up too....different God there boys.
If it'a free gift then everyone is saved and no one is going to hell. Or is there something you have to DO (Works) to recieve this free gift? Tell me what do you have to DO to be saved? Whatever that is, its a work.
@@travisbascomEphesians2:8-9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Hint of what it takes to recieve the gift of salvation. If believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth is work then I'd say that's pretty easy work considering the price that was paid for the great gift that God has promised. A gift of eternal life in the promised land, the new heavens and earth with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Stay in the word and keep on praying and God bless.
Proud to be lds. Struggling badly but nearly with a smile on my face. I'm aware many lds Christian converts, modern day pioneers, endure so much opposition, trials, and hatred. Some may leave as some did in Joseph Smith's time. I sure have but I can hold my ground. I've tapped out plenty times. I was still indeed a super tough soldier in army. That helps drive me back.. Not backing down. Makes me sick what the saints, even Joseph Smith and his family, endured. I know the bible and book of mormon work TOGETHER. There is no bible vs the book of mormon that critics love to try to portray. Good word yall at saints unscripted! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😙 🎶
Well said
still lds?
God bless you, man
praying youll come to the full truth and find who jesus really is
I am a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints. Not only do I know but I believe and accept The teachings/policies that are taught to me. I hold an honor the higher priesthood for I know that it is true and correct. I must remember articles of faith #11. We the Saints in these latter days have it so well and nowhere as difficult as the Saints in the beginning. We must learn to give thanks and ask for encouragement by way of the heavenly hosts Holy Spirit. For a bunch of youngsters you folks Rock😘👍🏼👌🏽
I really appreciate this you guys! Hope more people will study the Book of Mormon! 🙏🌻❤️
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@Princeton Donald Yup, have been using Flixzone} for months myself :)
@Princeton Donald definitely, I've been using Flixzone} for months myself :)
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Hopefully. It turned me says from religion, and I hope it'll do the same for other people
6:10 ish. Good job but it goes even further than that with the "sticks". Sticks in ancient Isreal literally were books or scrolls. A stick was fashioned smooth, and the paper was wrapped around the stick so that it wouldn't crumple or fold or tear. When a scroll got long, another stick was fashioned and wrapped from the end with new paper, and connected at the seam, so that the two sticks could be rolled up or down to a certain point in the writings. So the stick of Judah is the Bible, or Jewish/ early Christian writings, connected to the stick of Joseph. Which is the scroll or the Book of Mormon. Literally the sticks have been joined, not end to end to make a long stick, but side by side to seal the scroll.
Thank you Zach, when I first heard this my mind went to ancient Ireland and writing on sticks in Ogham. These would be the only written records in existence for centuries.
I love your videos! Thank you so much for making them! I often watch your videos more than once because i tend to go back and write notes and study what you guys say so i can be even more prepared when i read my scriptures; or so that i may be somewhat prepared if someone does hit me with certain questions about my faith and about the Book of Mormon! 💕
ChicHulaGirl Thanks so much for watching!
Girl. Watch any video about how Mormonism is a scam. These poor guys have no clue
Nicholus Valdez Thanks, but I’m good. You can find anything on the internet. I found out for myself through study and prayer; and nobody can take that away from me❤️
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I have a challenge. Give me an example from the book of mormon that is fact based. Meaning, it could be found outside the book of mormon.
Nicholus Valdez I’m sorry, it sounds like you’re trying to convince me of something? But who needs the convincing? Because i sure don’t. Plus, nothing about the Bible or Book of Mormon can be explained purely by “facts”. You can’t prove ANYTHING that happened in the Bible or Book of Mormon actually happened. It doesn’t matter if you take an atheist to Jerusalem or Bethlehem to show them where you “believe” Jesus walked. In the end, you can’t PROVE any of those places from the Bible are ACTUAL locations. There are still two possible locations believed to be the birth place of Jesus. So, you cannot simply FORCE an atheist (or anyone for that matter) to believe anything! No matter the “facts”. An atheist (as well as others) has to ask the Lord for themself if this is true and receive a confirmation through the spirit bearing witness unto them.
Most scholars I have heard say that Mathew ,Mark , Luke and paul's writings were written 55-65 AD, but the book of John and Revelations were written 90 - 95 AD.
Thanks guys!!! You have helped so many people keep it up♥️♥️
The Book of Mormon is true. Don't let it pass you by without giving it a chance. It will change your life and be one of the greatest things you've ever done.
Funny, that's what all the the religions say about their magic books........
@@somerandom3247 Yet none of them compare. Whether you accept the lds faith or not, many people in the beginning of the church endured a lot of various brutal, unfair treatments. Many got pushed out of different states, humiliated, persecuted, unjustly incarcerated, murdered, and their rights always violated in what's supposed to be America. I'm bold to say comparable to how Jews were being treated in nazi Germany. Why were early lds converts and Joseph Smith treated so?? Because of their belief in the book of mormon. A so called fake book they were willing to get murdered in cold blood for. There was even an incident where a ruthless commander dismissing any legal proceedings, wanted Joseph Smith and other lds leaders gathered up and just shot to death. A good subordinate stepped in, someone who didn't necessarily believe in the book of mormon, but knew such an execution was wrong, absolutely refused the blood thirsty command. Then promised he'd hold the bloodthirsty commander responsible before an earthly tribunal so help him God. Anyways, you really want to get to the bottom of the truth behind Joseph Smith, you'll sincerely read the book of mormon for yourself. Don't let others tell you what to do or believe.
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Funny, all the other religions say the same thing about their books......
People being persecuted for believing something doesn't add any validity to those beliefs. None at all.
I have read it. It's quite clearly fictional. Even more so than the bible. I find it hard to believe that anyone can read that book and honestly accept it as truth without being brainwashed as a child by their families.
I humbly suggest you read the Quran! There is only ONE GOD and He’s not a man
John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
I love that verse!
Yeah like that vague verse is proof of Jesus going to america c'mon now
Nek n Tit like your reply is proof Jesus didn't. What are you afraid of? Finding out God had influence over many people? Have you read their book? I find it funny when people will read dead sea scroll fragments, the Septuagint etc. because they're from the middle east but wont read their Book of Mormon. It proves the Bible is true and testifies of Christ. How is that a problem?
@@binmyrtmind it's a problem bc it is not true and is pure delusion. The book of Mormon goes against so many teachings that God gave us in the bible. Jesus is the only God there isn't a bunch of God's and to think we could be a god like the Mormons teach is completely made up and is never found in the Bible. The two books cannot coexist together bc they are so different. And yes I have read the book
Nek n Tit
Great,
Can you show me what scriptures in the Bible against the Book of Mormon? After all you said you have read the Book of Mormon, the whole (more than 500)pages ? I am sure that you’re telling the truth, honestly.
To all the members who read the comments of the anti “Mormon” people, remember this quote:
“Don’t let anyone be the cause of why you left the church. They are not the reason why you go to church in the first place.”
Emmie Bean word
So essentially never test yourself whether you’re in faith? 2 Corinthians 13:5
Genti Biraci testing faith vs indulging in contrary literature are drastically different.
If your faith can move mountains it should be able to withstand criticism
I'm not a Mormon, but if religion is overly popular (like Catholicism) then it's sweet but delivers no bitterness to the eater of the word. Without the bitterness, there's nothing gained from the experience. If people don't possess Gal 5:22-23 then you know they are not fruits of Yah, because regardless of doctrine differences we still have a standard to keep. It says love your neighbour, NOT love your neighbour if they share your beliefs. Be Esther, "...who knows but that you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?" - speak loud, don't let others discourage you! If people don't like what you have to say, it's probably because it's got the bitter truth they don't want to eat!
I love the direct commitment Kwaku, good stuff.
Am new convert to the lds and am proud of it though I have much opposition in my are
John 22:18 correlates perfectly with Deuteronomy 4:2. Moses said the same thing. So you could reasonably ask if that means most of the Old Testament is untrue too.
This question always comes up within me every time I hear this mentioned. But the Book of Mormon mentions multiple times that there are OTHER PEOPLES that Christ visited. And that there are OTHER books which god commanded to be written, that god spoke to all nations, and commanded books to be written in all nations, and in the isles of the sea.
If so many more books have been written than just the Book of Mormon, and the Bible, and these are the latter days and Christ draws near, then why have these books not been revealed to us yet?
And that’s not my real question, my real question is WHY IS THIS NEVER TALKED ABOUT? Why are these “other books” mentioned in the Book of Mormon never mentioned by the church, why is this prophecy of there being more books that “will one day be revealed” never talked about? It’s as if the general public of the church just completely forgot about it
Because they don’t exist. Just like there are no manuscripts for the BoM found in the Americas, there are none for these “other books” in any other location. Jesus never visited the Americas. Mormons interpret the Bible through the lens of JS and LdS teaching whereas it should be the other way around. If it were though the distinct teachings of the LDS church would be shown to be unbiblical.
It’s not that we don’t talk about it, it’s simply that God has not revealed it yet so what information could we possibly give if we don’t even know what they are? The restoration is an ongoing process meaning that if those books aren’t revealed now, then now is not the time for it. God reveals things at an appointed time - in the Lords timing. We just need to be patient :)
I have been reading The book of Mormon.God bless you in Jesus name!!!
I love your accents you make lol its so funny!!!!!!
Yo you totally missed a big prophecy of the golden plates in Isaiah 29
I was hoping they’d mention that one about the sealed book coming out of the dust that the learned man said he could not read. Goes right along with Joseph Smith History 1:65
This is such a good example of taking the scriptures completely out of context. You can make the Bible say anything you want it to if you try and read something into it with presuppositions
I hope u know Jehova Witness and pretty much every other religion that has a book to go along with the Bible uses Isaiah 29
Ralph Perez yeah but they misinterpret it or ignore it or acknowledge what it says but won’t follow through
Awesome video! Its interesting though. I always interpreted Luke 9:27 as Jesus talking about John the Beloved and how he became a translated being, so he won't die until the actual Second Coming. I like your interpretations too. I wonder what church leaders have commented on this subject
They are too busy sleeping, letting the flock be devoured.
@@louyah777 ? Have you not seen the prophecies of them? Come follow me was put into action for Home Centered Church Supported a year before covid when everything shut down. Open your eyes.
@@samuelthygerson6009 why would you think I need to open my eyes when I'm the one commenting that the church leaders are sleeping 😴??
Smith said the Bible is unreliable and the BoM was the authority. Not much faith there?
As an active member, im sorry but Ezekiel 37 doesn't protect of the book of mormon. If you read the chapter on not just the verse it explains what the sticks represent and what brining the sticks together means. That together with d&c 27:5 show that joseph smith didn't think the stick meant book of mormon either
Prophecy not protect
I LOVE your impression of Christians who deny the Book of Mormon. I deal with them all the time so your impression was spot on. Made me laugh. Anyway, thanks a ton for your videos. I enjoy watching and sharing them!!
If you think delusion is funny then you are sorely deluded yourself... The accent may be funny, but the guys making fun of people who rightly divide the Word of God, and therefore reject blasphemous counterfeits, was not very funny. It simply showed their lack od discernment and LDS biased toward only LDS sancitioned writigs; which if you;d read all of them become very unbiblical vey fast.
I definitely don’t agree with you guys but I am dying laughing at the beginning with Kwaku Minnesota accent
Whenever I hear someone say the BIBLE says nothing about the book of Mormon I just have to smile----- its similar to when I ----- as a baseball player ----- would study a pitcher warming up----- And see his fastball location ( knee high middle of the plate ) ----- I would just salivate, waiting to get in the batters box against him----- for I would CRUSH that FB------ same dynamic with christians saying the bible says nothing about the book of Mormon ----- its just sooo funny ! They dont even comprehend how much they have exposed themselves, or their BIBLE IGNORANCE----- PSALMS 85:11--- ISAIAH 29:4 ---- ISAIAH 45:8 ---- DEUTERONOMY 33:19 all speak of the book of Mormon COMING OUT OF THE GROUND ------ plus theres about ten other scriptures in the BIBLE that testify of the book of Mormon.
"People make the Bible say whatever they want it to"
absolutely. Mormons used the old testament for years to justify polygamy and the law of concubines.
At times
Sounds like Joseph Smith. Hello?
@@scottvance74 trinitarians changed the bible all over to say what they wanted.
@@jameswood3257 Were there changes to the Bible? Sure. Probably not as significant as the radical changes made to the D&C from the Book of Commandments between 1833 and 1835. Sculptures and holy texts evolve. Generally changes are greatest early on, but I fully expect additional changes to the LDS cannon over the next decade or two.
God says in Revelation not to add to or take away from His Word. So the book of Mormon is not inspired by God, but just man, otherwise 2000 years ago, it would have been introduced along with the Bible, right? Would God allow thousands of years to pass by without those during those times not experiencing the book of Mormon if it was inspired by God?
Some interesting questions. If you believe that God would never allow people to not be exposed to his complete word, how do you answer the question of why throughout the history of the world did the vast majority of humans on earth not have access to the Bible or its teachings?
It's says his word as in the Bible not a separate book
@@maritimesteak8540 Actually we are referring to Revelation 22:18-19 where John warns that if anyone adds to or takes away from the words of THIS book... John was not writing in the Bible, he was writing the specific book of Revelation. The Bible was not compiled for hundreds of years after that, so he couldn't have been referring to the book we call the Bible. Bible scholars mostly agree that 1st, 2nd and 3rd John were written after the book of Revelation, so they would be adding to scripture after the book of Revelation was written. So it is obvious that John was warning not to tamper with the text of this specific book of Revelation.
It is also helpful to keep in mind that Moses says essentially the same thing in Deuteronomy 4:2, so if you choose to interpret Revelation 22:18-19 in a way that prohibits further scripture, you would have to reject most of the Old Testament and all of the New. Are you sure you want to do that?
@@maritimesteak8540 that's correct. If they want to create a man=made religion, they will pay the consequences
I hear crickets chirping they have no reply. I was going to type the same thing but you did a good job.
I really apologize for anything I may have texted kids!
That might have offended! U r so GREAT so strong in the faith it makes me soo proud! We need the strong youth like yourselves sooo badly right now! Don’t ever ever turn away! It’s very scary to see the reports of millennials right now who are slipping into Luke warm faiths, being casual about their memberships and faith! There is just no room for lackadaisical members! We need u guys keep shinning!
Love you guys. Thanks for the message
After 30 years of learning about then the LDS church, Jesus Himself told me to get out of there because that is pure religion. He is not about religion, but about a relationship. Jesus found me and saved me from the pit; now I am FREE and in love for Jesus where he is moving. Hallelujah!
Which Book of Mormon do you use? The 1830 edition? The pre-1978 editions which said, “white and delightsome” or today’s edition which says, “pure and delightsome”? Do you read the new edition with its 4000 changes or the original edition that was translated by the power of God?
Great question - we use the current day translation. And there have actually been thousands more changes than 4000! We have an episode helping to clarify and explain more about those changes and why they were made. You can watch that episode (Faith and Beliefs ep. 125) here: ua-cam.com/video/J0E_Cp8D_g8/v-deo.html
@@SaintsUnscriptednice of you to answer; did you miss the implication of hypocritical practice on the part of Mormons?
Wish I could like this more!
Question!! At 8:58 , when Revelation 22 is mentioned, since revelation is the last book of the bible doesn’t that mean that it was written last? Or were the books of the bible written out of order?
Great question! Yes, the books of the Bible were essentially written out of order. When compiling it after deciding which books and epistles to include, essentially what they did was take the 4 main Gospels first, as the main focus. Then Acts follows directly after Christ's ascension in the same story-telling method, so that's technically chronological. Next, all of Romans through Hebrews are the "Pauline Epistles" which are all either confirmed to be written by Paul or at least assumed by many to have been (this is highly contested amongst scholars, especially Hebrews), and they are organized by length and recipient, rather than the time they were written. Romans is the longest, then they all get progressively shorter as you go through. Hebrews is at the end, even though it's longer, because they already weren't sure it was Paul's at the time so they placed it separate. Then the epistles of James, Peter, John and Jude all follow essentially the same rule of organizing by longest to shortest while keeping the author's works together. And lastly you have Revelation, which was written by John while in exile on the isle of Patmos, likely before any of his epistles, possibly even his Gospel, were written. So no, the books of the Bible are not all in chronological order, Revelation was likely not the last to be written, and more specifically about that verse saying not to add anything, it is likely it specifically referred to adding or taking away from John's Revelation itself, not all the Word of God that existed at the time. (As a side note, I will say research on this is somewhat difficult considering how highly contested so much of it is, from dates to authors to authenticity)
Tl;dr No, the books of the New Testament are not in Chronological Order. Also, neither are the books of the Old Testament: many cover the exact same time periods from different perspectives.
@@lexiconikan3219 thank you so much for your response Lexi! 😃
How does Justin keep a straight face ?
@@mtddmtdd1 Yes we do. All those who actually believe in the Holy Ghost can know it's true also.
James Taggert certainly
Revelations was written at the end of the 1st century! Several of the epistles of St. Paul and the other New Testament books were written a few decades before. :) only a few books were written after Revelations.
1 Thessalonians (50 CE)
Galatians (50 CE)
1 Corinthians (50 CE)
Philemon (mid-50s CE)
Philippians (mid-50s CE)
2 Corinthians (mid-50s)
Romans (58 CE)
Mark (70 CE)
James (70-80 CE)
Colossians (80s CE)
Matthew (80-90 CE)
Hebrews (80-90 CE)
John (90 CE)
Ephesians (90s CE)
Revelation (90s CE)
Jude (90s CE)
1 John (100 CE)
2 John (100 CE)
3 John (100 CE)
Luke (100 CE)
Acts (100 CE)
2 Thessalonians (100 CE)
1 Peter (100 CE)
1 Timothy (100-110 CE)
2 Timothy (100-110 CE)
Titus (100-110 CE)
2 Peter (120-150 CE)
Jesus send his apostles to preach his teachings and in the cross he said it is finished.
He wasn't referring to the scriptures.
Many forget that many portions of The Book of Mormon came in the middle of The Old Testament and before The New Testament.
Why do we even need the book of Mormon when there is the Bible already?
The problem is that the rest of Christianity reads the bible and they can't agree on many points of doctrine, The Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible that helps clear up some of those points and clarifies others. It helps to put down false doctrines and establish correct ones.
You can't use it as a way to identify false doctrines when the book itself is in doubt. You can't use the very thing that is in doubt as proof
While I am a member, and I do agree that Book of Mormon references do show up in the Bible… I think it is incredibly reasonable that many do not see significance in things like Ezekiel 37:19 or Luke 9:27. I think there are very valid interpretations of these verses that do not present evidence for the Book of Mormon.
Didn’t the book of revelations also say that there would be new scrolls opened up in the last days ?
Jesus came the first time not to condemn the world but to save it. When he comes a second time it will be to condemn. He didn’t come a second time to reveal to Joseph some new scriptures.
What is the book that the Bible prophesied will come then?
Prophecys can be fulfilled multiple times.
Amen Mathew.24 warns us of that. Not to.believe.when they say look he is in the chambers. No way would Jesus apeared to Joseph Smith. Nor could have seen God. No man can see God and live .
Matthew 24:26
King James Version
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Exodus 33:20
King James Version
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
@@ivonnemeza7923 joseph never said that Jesus is in the chambers, neither did he ever try to claim to anyone that Jesus is in some chamber, where people can go and meet him. Christ second coming is about his coming in glory to destroy the wicked, nothing in the scriptures deny the possibility for him to appear to people between his ministry and the grand second coming. In fact, John saw christ on the isle of Patmos long after his ascension to heaven. Peter saw Christ when he escaped Rome. During this encounter, Christ said to Peter that he is going to Rome to be crucified again. This made Peter ashamed and thus he returned to Rome to receive his martyrs death instead of fleeing. This is a well know early christian tradition of Peters death.
@@ivonnemeza7923 and if you think that no man can see God and live, how do you explain Moses? He saw God face to face. Also Stephen saw God and Christ on his right hand. Examples are many. In fact Joshua saw God before the attack on the promised land started, how do we know this. The Lord he met on his way, commanded him to take off his shoes, as the burning bush did for Moses, for the land is holy, due to God's presence. Joshia fell on the ground and worshipped this human looking heavenly being, and he accepted his worship. If this was only a man or regular angel, he would have forbidden Joshua from worshipping him. This happened to John at Patmos. When he fell down to worship the messenger, who was showing the vision of the book of revelation, the being forbade John and said not to do so, since he is only his fellow servant, one of the prophets of old. If the heavenly being, who came to Joshua was in the same way a servant of God, he would have acted accordingly to Joshua when he worshipped him after taking off his shoes.
It's my first-time to hear such a book. Am getting confused now.
It's called the book of Mormon, you can read it for free on the app gospel library.
Anyone that reads the Book of Mormon with an open mind will know the book testifies of Christ and that it’s true.
Where does it actually mention Jesus? I tried to find Him but couldn't.
I sincerely read the Book of Mormon and felt no such testimony
Wolfie254 So you haven’t actually read it then. If you had you would see that the BoM actually mentions Christ more than the Bible.
@@RBD582 I agree that Christ is mentioned - but I certainly didn't feel that it's an authentic testimony of Christ
@@SuperSaiyanKrillin I have felt the love and warmth of the spirit in the Bible and the Book of Mormon but nothing compared to when I read 3 Nephi chapter 11 in the Book of Mormon it has brought me to tears and have felt the love of God. It was at that time I knew the Book of Mormon was true.
Interpreting these pieces of scripture in this way completely disregards the context of these passages.
Also for anyone that doesn’t understand different Bibles, they are different translations in different languages of the same manuscripts. The same Greek and Hebrew is used to translate all of them, they are not different stories or books.
I was hoping someone would say this. Context and knowing how the Bible is translated is super important when studying the Bible. As someone who speaks two languages and has Bibles in both languages, I did not really appreciate the comments made in the first minute or so of the video, because it shows a lack of knowledge, respect, and wonderment for how the Bible came to be canonized and how it is translated and spread to different languages and cultures. The Bible I have in both languages is the same Bible with the same meaning and same doctrine as it is the true Word of God that has been carefully passed down through generations and will last for all eternity according the Lord's promise. Context is something many people both Christian and not struggle with. People love to take verse out of context to support any and all beliefs, but when you put it back into context with the surrounding verses, history of the Bible, and the overarching message of the Bible, you will see the truth.
I LOVE the last verse, it hits super hard lol
There are not many bibles, only multiple translations based on the same canonically agreed upon manuscripts.
There are approximately 5,800 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. In addition, there are 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in other languages.
As the Bible foretold, restoration of the full true Gospel has come forth as the Book of Mormon, Biblical prophets foretold of new scriptures
Christ refers to a whole other civilization of people of a different location he needs to visit after resurrection - John 10:16
An ancient truth-bearing record of an ancient civilization will be restored from out of the ground in the midst of worldwide iniquity - Psalms 85:11, Isaiah 29:4
The Lord speaks of a wondrous book that will restore the Gospel but will not be accepted by the wise - Isaiah 29:10 & 14
The restored gospel would come about with 2 to 3 witnesses - 2 Cor. 13:1, Matthew 18:16
Full Gospel restored to Earth in midst of end times by an angel (Moroni) - Revelation 14:6-7
An unlearned man will have a night vision of an undecipherable book that educated men can not read. The book will be delivered to the unlearned man for translation even though the scholars can't understand it - Isaiah 29:10-14
Actual description of Book of Mormon recovery (the story of Joseph Smith) - Isaiah 29:4-18, Ezekiel 37:16-20
Holy Bible (Stick of Judah) and the Book of Mormon (stick of Joseph) to be combined into one book that a person can hold in his hand - Ezekiel 37:16-20
Bonus: The biblical curse of adding to the scriptures is meant to protect the individual works of the prophets, not the entire Bible itself. If it was meant for the entire Bible, no scriptures would exist past the book of Deuteronomy. The "Don't add, don't remove" statement is all over the place in the Bible: See Rev. 22:18-19, Deut. 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6, etc. All the books the books written after Deuteronomy would be false if they will use the protestant logic.
Well I’ll admit that you have a lot of interesting things to think about but...you are very wrong and here’s why. The Bible’s tells us that anyone can look the part but if they lead u after another Jesus then they are a false teacher and should be condemned. So by that statement made by Paul outright destroys the LDS church. John 1:1-3; 14 clearly tells us who Jesus is. Isaiah tells us the the messiah would be called Emmanuel or Immanuel which means in Hebrew “GOD with us” Jesus is God. Phillipians 2 reinforces this. The Book of Mormon contracts Joseph Smiths teaches on the plurality of gods. Testimony of the Three Witnesses teaches the Trinity. Mosiah 15:1-5 reinforces this too as well as other scriptures in the Book of Mormon. Smith again taught plurality of gods which is contradictory to Isaiah in several spots where Isaiah writes that there is only one God and there is no other besides Him. You cannot become a god one day. Revelation states that He is the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, first and the last. God always has been and always will be. He is the only God in Heaven. The Book of Mormon is not taught in the Bible anywhere. If you read and pray with an open heart and ask God of what the scriptures say then He will grant you eyes to see and ears to hear His voice in the Word.
@@collinshaw4917 There's one God, we believe that. Jesus is God incarnate, we believe that. yet consider the words of Origen while having a conversation with Heraclides : “Origen said: ‘Was He God distinct from this God in whose form He was?’
“Heraclides said: ‘Obviously distinct from the other and, while being in the form of the other, distinct from the Creator of all.’
“Origen said: ‘Is it not true, then, that there was a God, the Son of God and only begotten of God, the first born of all creation (Col. 1.15), and that we do not hesitate to speak in one sense of two Gods, and in another sense of one God?’
“Heraclides said: ‘What you say is evident. But we too say that God is the almighty, God without beginning, without end, who encompasses all and is encompassed by nothing, and this Word is the Son of the living God, God and man, through whom all things were made, God according to the Spirit, and man from being born of Mary.’
“Origen said: ‘You don't seem to have answered my question. Explain what you mean, for perhaps I didn't follow you. The Father is God?’
“Heraclides said: ‘Of course.’
“Origen said: ‘The Son is distinct from the Father?’
“Heraclides said: ‘Of course, for how could He be son if He were also father?’
“Origen said: ‘And while being distinct from the Father, the Son is Himself also God?’
“Heraclides said: ‘He is Himself also God.’
“Origen said: ‘And the two Gods become a unity?’
“Heraclides said: ‘Yes.’
“Origen said: ‘We profess two Gods?’
“Heraclides said: ‘Yes, [but] the power is one.’ . . .
“What, then, is the meaning of such sacred texts as: Before me no other god was formed, nor shall there be any other after me (Isa. 43.10), and the text: I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me (Deut. 32.39)? In these texts, one is not to think that the unity refers to the God of the universe in his purity (as the heretics would say) apart from Christ, nor that it refers to Christ apart from God; but we say that it is just as Jesus expresses it: I and the Father are one (John 10.30).’”
(Origen, ca. 246, Dialogue with Heraclides 1-4, in Ancient Christian Writers 54.58-60)
@@collinshaw4917 its pointless to tell a mormon that Jesus is God for we believe the same
You talk about ppl reading the Bible however they want and then immediately proceed to read the Bible however you want, ignoring that the prophecies and passages you brought up have much better explanations from scholars and theologians than your unfounded interpretations 🤷♂️
Bingo.
Exactly! They are Bible scholars and spent years studying the Bible, the ancient texts and so on! That’s why people should believe them rather than believing true Bible scholars who with one voice claimed that the Book of Mormon is nothing but fiction because the golden plates can never be found.
John Yelland, but scholars and theologians are not prophets and apostles that can give an inspired explanation.
Sadrack Jean Baptiste, bible scholars are not prophets and apostles. Hence, their explanations may not always be accurate. God gave the church apostles and prophets for a reason (Ephesians 2:19-20 & 4:11-14).
Samoa Moni but what about a prophet or apostles whose explanation contradict scriptures, or the words of God!? You mormons keep claiming that the Book of Mormon is the most accurate book on earth, your scriptures and your prophets preach a god that once was a man, that’s nowhere in the Bible! You add works to salvation, nowhere in the Bible! When I discovered those irregularities between the Bible and your Books, I just did what any sound-minded person would! Out of the book I found my way lolll! And I will pull out of this demonic church every member of my family! In the mighty name of Jesus!!!
I said "you know" more than 52 times...probably hahaha....ha...ha
Guys, the remark by Jesus in Luke 9:27 about "there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God" is likely a reference to John the beloved becoming translated later, in which he will not taste of death, until Jesus comes a second time, which of course Jesus knew would happen
There were also the three Nephites that also have not treated of death and won't until Christ comes again.
I love the irony of the video starting out talking about Christians using a 17th century english translation while using the BOM that is written in the 19th century using also using 17th century english. Either the author of the golden plates spoke in a english dialect that wasnt spoken for 1,500 years after his death or Joseph Smith decided to translate the plates in an english dialect that HE didnt speak either. Why did Moroni or Joseph smith write the BOM in the same style as the king james version. For ex: "not because ye see not, for ye receive no witness until after the trial of your faith." People didn't speak like this in Moroni's time or Smith's. So why not translate it in (1848) common day talk?
I know this is probably late and I might not get a reply but I'm trying to figure out if the LDS church is true and I was going through the comments and I have just watched the video and there is evidence that supports the truthfulness of the church. However, I'm lost, many of the comments seem to be based on that person's interpretation of the bible, I've done a lot of research on LDS doctrine, not just the book of Mormon. A lot of it was opinion based but others provided solid evidence against the LDS doctrine. I'm currently reading the book of Mormon and the bible as well. Through research, I found a few things that did concern me, in Moroni 8:8 says that children do not have sinful nature ( please correct me if I'm wrong) but in the bible, it says in Psalms 51:5, King David teaches that children have this sinful nature at birth. Another thing that did concern me was in 2 Nephi 25:23 and in Moroni 10:32, It states that by "grace we are saved, after all, we can do", is this saying that we are saved by our works? In the bible, it says in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of works, lest anyone should boast."
Once again correct me if I'm wrong, and don't give an answer to "The Bible is wrong or the book of Mormon is wrong" solid evidence is much appreciated because I'm really trying to put my faith in something that is true and not false.
Another thing I have to ask is about the Pearl of Great price, the book of Abraham was proven to be a false translation given by Joseph Smith. Smith said that it was a book of Abraham's dealings in Egypt, however, it was proven that this was false, the papyrus that Smith used for translation actually was talking about Osiris and Anubis, two Egyptian gods. Does this make Joseph a false prophet?
I think a common mis conception is that we believe the more good deeds we do the more we are saved, but thats not what is meant by works.
James 2: 14-26
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Kurt Davis John 3:5
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
There are neccessary ordinaces talked about in the Bible that are neccessary. So while baptism, and repentance, teaching the gospel etc etc are neccessary works that he asks of us in order to be faithfully following him. No works such as how much good you do or don't do is not the conditional works that are talked about in the Bible. Just like the parable of the talents.
Nephi and his people lived 600 yrs BCE and were practicing Mosaic Law (a very arduous and demanding set of religious rules and regulations, required by God.) No "salvation by grace" had yet been made available to the world. Nephi was speaking to his people, while Moroni was certainly quoting Nephi.
This is only part of the explanation though, since we certainly believe the Biblical words of James that faith without works is dead.
BTW, "faith vs works" is a very old Christian debate and predates the Latter-Day Saints.
Matthew 10:24 brother.
Jesus claimed that He will be the reason people can't get along. Some will follow Him; others will stray because they have been deceived or outright reject Him.
A book in the Book of Mormon called Mosiah chapter 14 we find the whole 53rd chapter of Isaiah in King James English. The Mormons will argue that the people of that day (about 148 B.C.) had access to the Jewish Scriptures therefore quoted directly from the Old Testament prophet who lived about 600 B.C. If that were true, how is it they used 1611 English which had not even been translated yet? Obviously, Joseph Smith, or the writer of Mosiah had access to an English bible that was common around 1830 when Joseph Smith dreamed up this new church. It is plagiarism plain and simply. The BOM lists numerous things such as silk, horses, honeybees, coins, etc. that did not appear until hundreds of years later when the Europeans arrived. The Pearl of Great Price, Abraham chapter four shows a polytheistic view of God which no sane Rabbi would fall for.
Uh...the Book of Mormon was written in 1830...the newest of the Old Testament prophecies was written THOUSANDS of years before that! Anyone could have read the OT prophecies and copied them down in the Book of Mormon?!? That’s not proof of the accuracy of Book of Mormon, it’s proof of accuracy of the Old Testament!?!! There’s so much wrong here.
OK so who else wrote what needed to be finished? Also the bible talks about the telestial, terrestrial, and celestial kingdom. No other churches really believe or talk about it but the boom of mormon does. Also since the bible talks about this book what book is it that it prophesies will come?
You're right, anyone could've copied them down. But sir, that isn't how the Book of Mormon came to pass. I think you need to read it before you can truthfully contradict it. And actually, the Book of Mormon was not written in 1830. That's when it was translated.
Tommy Moffett I’ve read it....it contradicts the Bible in many ways and it is virtually unverifiable when comparing the historical record. That’s not the case with the Bible
@@2HungerandThirst People say same or similar things about the bible. That absolutely no proof of bible at all. You really think atheists care at all that a handful of known names and locations are in the bible?? As far as they're concerned, the Jewish people then Christian people fabricated the bible and made it say what they wanted it to say. Likewise, do critics say about the book of mormon minus pinpointed geography.
Bro the Book of Mormon was written 2,000 years ago then later published as a book.
White dude is staring at him like he his programming him
Common Sense says the video's wrong right in the title
I love you guys, and I love watching your videos. I don’t believe in the Book of Mormon (for many reasons) but I find all of the LDS beliefs to be so intriguing! Also, just some constructive criticism, non-Mormons believe that Joseph Smith made the whole thing up, so you’re not going to win any of them over by showing prophesies from the Bible that were fulfilled in the Book of Mormon. It’s just automatically assumed that Joseph Smith read the Bible and then “fulfilled” the prophecies when he wrote the Book of Mormon. But don’t stop making videos! If you can prove to me that the BOM is true, I will believe it, I’m a truth seeker!
So true. Hope the Mormons can take the compliment and learn from it rather than justify that they know “their book IS TRUE.”
Hey Grim I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I’m so glad you’re seeking truth.We has humans should seek truth in ALL forms,have you tried reading the Book of Mormon and drawing your own conclusions on whether it is true or not?
@@alextheskaterdude07 yeah its hard to describe how we know it’s true because every member has a different moment when they come to that conclusion. The only way we know it’s true is because we read it and pondered on it. Obviously there’s more depth to just reading and thinking but I can’t explain it all in a yt comment :)
@@alextheskaterdude07 For the boys who had their testicles removed (to provide more wives for the church elders) the Book of Mormon isn't fit for toilet paper.
So translating the Bible into different languages make the Bible a different Bible? What? Study any amount of languages even modern qnd you know direct translation often does not make sense. There are sects of Catholic and Orthodox that have a few other books. Some accept Enoch as inspired ect.
no what he is saying is that there are many bibles and a lot take things out or don't do an exact translation of the bible.
To echo what they Kwaku said
The Book of Mormon is written in prophecy.
A little context first.
God said the House of Israel is his chosen covenant people. And He had made a covenant with them which consists of the 12 Tribes of Israel. The 2 tribes that I want to pay particular attention to is the House of Judah and the House of Joseph.
Joseph had 2 sons and one of the sons was named Ephraim.
God promised that the house of Ephraim would prosper.
Zachariah 10:6-9
"...and I will SAVE THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH, and I will Bring Them Again To Place Them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the Lord their God, and will hear them.
7 And they of Ephraim(son of Joeseph) shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the Lord.
8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.
9 And I will sow them among the people: and They Shall REMEMBER ME IN FAR COUNTRIES; and they shall live with their children, and turn again."
God promised to come visit The House of Israel, or the 12 Tribes.
"...Joseph saw Ephraim’s children of the third generation: the children also of Machir the son of Manasseh were brought up upon Joseph’s knees.
24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you..." Gen 50:23-24 "And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you," Genesis 50:25 "...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt15:25) If Christ was not sent but unto the House of Israel, and He visited Judah already by being born and ministering for 3 years and being resurrected and showing himself to 500 people (1Corinth 15:6), it makes sense that he would visit all the Tribes, or at least, the righteous ones, because He made a promise in Genesis above. Jesus said "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."John 10 14:16, I think mainstream Christianity believes that He was talking about the Gentiles, Christ was not going to visit the Gentiles. Remember, He said, "...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." "For they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through THEIR preaching." 'THEIR' means Israel descendants. "...and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at any time hear my voice-that I should not manifest myself unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost." 3rdNephi15:22-23.
The Gentiles are not of the House of Israel and would be adopted in later, the first shall be last and the last shall be first.
He visited the House of Ephraim because they are of the House of Israel! The Nephites are of the house of Joseph and Ephraim. And Christ did "surely visit them." Gen 50:23-24
Prophecy is written that 2 books would be written by the descendants of, or the House of Judah(TheBible), and the descendants of, or the House of Joseph (Book of Mormon), would come forth and that they would be one in God's hand. The verses below will use the word stick, which means scripture or scroll.
Ezekiel 37:16-19
"...thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand."
"...Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand."
Wow you obviously graduated seminary and institute! Wooh preach the good word.
That’s the good stuff you
For those who say that the Book of Mormon is not true, then i have a few questions.
Do you truly believe that Jesus Christ is God?
If Jesus speaks, do you listen and believe?
In John 10:16, the Savior says:
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
I dont care if you believe in the Book of Mormon or not, because it is between you and God and not anyone else what you believe. But if you truly say that you believe Jesus is God and that he spoke those words, then how can you not believe that he did what he said in appearing to others not of his current fold and that he would bring them into his fold?
There are records from multiple cultures around the world that state they were visited by God. All stories are different, but does that make them all untrue?
There are recorded histories from Russia, China, Japan, India, and many other countries/cultures that profess their ancestors had visits from a God. Many of their stories have similar teachings as what was taught by Jesus Christ in Jerusalem. Are their stories untrue?
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the Book of Mormon came from people who lived in the Americas somewhere. Have you done any research to find any truths to that claim?
The Sioux (Dakota), Potawatomi (Bodéwadmi), Stockbridge (Mahican), and other Indian peoples residing in Wisconsin and Canada. Delegations from the Sauk (Asakiwaki) and Fox (Meskwaki) tribes among many other tribes in North America state in their oral and written histories that their ancestors had visits from the great Spirit. There are also artifacts being found that prove their ancestors were already religious before any Christian missionaries came to them.
In Central and South America, only 1% of the ancient ruins have been discovered, uncovered, or researched. Multiple of the native people who live in Central or in South America have also stated that their ancestors had visits from a Great Spirit or a God. There are also ancient artifacts that depict the visitations as well as a religious culture having been present.
At least 75% of the anachronisms written in the Book of Mormon have now been found either in South, Central, or in North America.
So in the end, if you can only believe that only the Isrealites had God and wrote scripture, then you are blind to the histories of people across the world.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
How can God be a merciful God and only tell one people his word and leave the rest to never know him past or present?
He didnt leave them to their own devices, because he loved everyone. Jesus knew that his Apostles didnt know there were people in other lands where they couldn't travel to preach. So he said he would go himself.
Believe in the Book of Mormon or not, but its a fact that something happened around the world whether you believe it or not.
Someday all will be judged. Do you want to be open to possibilities or closed to his word because its not in the Bible? You decide!
Jesus loves everyone. He died and only through his grace are we saved.
There are a lot of unanswered questions that we may not know. Why didn’t Jesus visit china, Southern Africa, Europe, ect… And for all we know he may have. HOWEVER the issue is not with the fact of Christ revealing himself to the Americans it’s that the Bible has over 80,000 original manuscripts. There is no proof of the original gold plates besides some affidavits. The genealogy doesn’t match up to the way the BOM describes. The concern is are you following what Jesus Christ said or what Joseph said.
This JST is added in Genesis 50: 24-38. A prophecy about Joseph smith and the latter days that wasn’t in any other copy of the Bible.
What about the JST in Exodus 33: 20,23 that says that no sinful man can see the lords face? Joseph smith claims to have seen God and Christ with his own eyes. Either he’s a liar, not a sinner or the translation is wrong, and in Deuteronomy, 18:22 it teaches that to test a prophet, and he fails this test.
Joseph’s teachings contradict each other and the Bible and most importantly JESUS CHRISTS WORD. They cannot both be true. The concern is do you know Jesus for who he was? I pray that you can learn of Christ the way the Bible teaches and make sure you are in line with that before branching off.
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Good video brethren... I'll just like to add a couple more
Psalm 85:11-13
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
12 Yea, the Lord shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase.
13 Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.
The book of Mormon came out of the earth, and it is truth and light. Righteousness did look down from heaven for the Father and the Son did visit Joseph Smith.
The Lord did give that which is good. For his authority, covanents, ordinances, commandments, doctrines, temples, his church and kingdom where restored to the earth. This is good. America is an abundant land and gives of her increase, especially to the faithful and obedient.
The book of Mormon brings forth the ways of the Lord that his righteousness shall go before him and " The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after His resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come."....
Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”
So there you go prophecy being fulfilled.
And they say the Bible doesn't speak of the Book of Mormon, it does oh and one more...
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
An angel from heaven had to deliver the everlasting gospel to be preached unto us on the earth because it was taking away from the earth because of wickedness and apostasy. Now it has been restored.
This is just a couple more to add to the list brethren..
Dear sir,
Bible believing Christians stand firmly on the Bible being the complete accurate and finished revelation of God to all mankind through all the ages.
Based on, ( for instance), Christ's Apostle Paul's great proclamation in 2 Timothy Ch 3 13-17, I can completely trust the perfect and all encompassing sufficiency of the Holy Bible for everything needed pertaining to the christian faith and walk, praise God.
The Holy Bible itself is the most correct book on earth, it alone is the Keystone of the Christian faith, and abiding by it's precepts makes us 'wise unto salvation'
The Lord Jesus Christ is himself being the way, the truth and the life.
Kind regards to you.
@@geoffnoyes520 2 Timothy 3:13-17 never says which books are the scriptures. The argument could be made since Timothy had the scriptures it doesn't include the New Testament. If you are going to use those verses to define scriptures you must cut out your New Testament which hadn't been assembled or completely written at that time.
Geoff Noyes, while a cherish many truths in the Bible, you are wrong. The Bible has been tampered with. There are missing scriptures and contradictions in the bible.
You guys need to address contrary arguments seriously instead of saying that "it's just not". That doesn't convince anyone and I don't think that's productive.
Edit: As I watch more I also see a lot of strawmen set up of Christians.
The Bible is the word of God, it is stunning to think it is not, you just insulted many people, with your comments. The bible is proven to be the true Word of God, they have been authenticated by archaeologists, Historians, NO document of antiquity has as much evidence to confirm its reliability as the bible. John 16:13 And the truth of God is found in the Word of God. John 17:17 Thus, to those who believe these sacred words are life itself but to those without the Spirit the Bible is nothing but foolishness. If you were grounded in the scriptures of the Bible you would reverse your thoughts, it is obvious that you are not. 1 Cor 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to Him, he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The Bible is the highest Law of God. The only place we can find a clear unmistakable message is in the Word of God. No writer changed the meanings, except Joseph Smith, NO one should deny the authentication of the bible.
How we received the bible is a miracle in itself. It is about a man's redemption as it is through Jesus Christ.
Jesus did not come to.the Americas
Jesus did not apeared.to.Joseph Smith nor did he saw God
Matthew 24:26
King James Version
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Exodus 33:20
King James Version
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Galationsb1:6-12 But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have been preached unto you k let him be cursed. This book nullifies the Book of Moreman
If the lost tribe of Israel were the Native Americans then they would have some DNA showing Jewish ancestors which they do not
BOM talking about horses goats and other animals that we not on either the North American or South American Continents until the Spanish brought them over in the 1490s
- But why catholics or other church don't accept the book of mormon as another testament?
Because the ones who do accept it become Latter Day Saints…
Your theory on what “some shall not taste death” is dead wrong. It’s explained in doctrine n covenants that an apostle literally *has not died* not to mention the 3 immortal nephites
Some there living when Christ returns is also verified because John has not tasted death yet either! Nor will he until Christ returns in glory!
I came here to comment the same. I don't think they captured that very well. In Mark 9:1 it says: "Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God arrive with power." I think John, and some others were blessed to not taste of death until the 2nd coming. The "Kingdom of God arriv[ing] with power" is the 2nd coming. We say the same with the so-called "3 Nephites", and there are probably others who have been blessed to roam the earth for centuries according to the Lord's desire/word/value.
In other words, I don't think Christ's visit to the America's fulfills those words of Christ in the Holy Land.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
They don't comprehend, though. They are spiritually blinded to the truth of Jesus.
We can easily see how powerful Satan is. In their own religion, Satan wanted everyone to become as gods. So now we have a real "religion" that preaches this, and people believe it? It's sad that these young men will perish as it stands.
Why would I use any other Bible except the NIV or King James why would I use the Ethiopian Bible if I don't speak ethiopian,
I think it would be a good idea to expound more on the stick of Ephraim and Judah. there may be a lot of people that don't understand. Just a thought...
I loved this one
Hey guys Our FATHER talks about the BALL and chain right in the bible???
You are right about the Bible not being dropped out of the sky one day. As a matter of fact the Bible as we know it today was never written for us to read. The letters to Timothy were addressed to Timothy not you and I. Romans was to Rome and so on. We can get good things from it but it is not the Word Of GOD JESUS is the WORD OF GOD.
That's so interesting, about 8:00 to 9!
I can’t believe Kwaku hasn’t been picked as the best most eligible bachelor in UT. #teamkwaku
I believe the statements of no other words may refer to that particular prophesy
They are called sticks because scrolls were like sticks or even called sticks at times.
Wow, all these Bible verses taken out of context. The two sticks are the north and south kingdoms of Israel, keep reading and it literally says it.
What would be the point of Jesus' visit to the Americas if the Nephites were all destroyed and his visit quickly forgotten? Not much for salvation, here!
the Nephites got destroyed 400 years after Jesus came to the Americas and the reason he would come is to teach them about baptism and the sacrament and other gospel truths they were missing. The whole reason for there destruction was they were not faithful and because of there unbelief and sinful behavior they all got destroyed.
John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to me voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. Since when does "I must bring" mean or translate to he went?
Nothing worse than wisconsonian anti Mormons lol
Dave Nell excuse me! ☝🏽 my sister served a mission in Wisconsin!
Did I say all wisconsonians? Lol
Oh anti cuuuuuuuuuilt, that clears everything right up, they are anti Following Jesus and His Living associates, because that would be super cult like behavior right? Lol
Amazing video
The literal translation of the Hebrew word Messiah is the Christ. The word Messiah appears in the Old Testament (pre Christ/ Messiah)only twice. That’s in the Book of Daniel.
Now. The word Christ (AKA Messiah) appears in the Book of Mormon pre Christ/Messiah over 50 times. It goes far into details regarding Christian theology pre-Christ than the Old Testament does. You can say the Book of Mormon is more Christian than the Bible is.
What’s more likely?
Jesus favored one civilization far more than another at the same time period and revealed much more about the savior?
OR
A book was written in the 19th century almost 2000 years after Christ where all the details about his life were readily available and easy to write about in the pre Christ section of the BOM?
I find it kind of blasfemous how you refer to the bible as fake or worthless if not for the book of Mormon, how can you call yourself christians if you believe such things.
Sola scriptura has been debunked by the great debate. Protestants vs Mormons.
Sponsored by James whites apologia group from about a year ago.
It’s 3hrs but well worth it.
Where does it say Jesus will come again in their generation
I'm always confused about who your target audience is. The title uses the word 'evidence.' But what you present would only be considered as Biblical evidence of the Book of Mormon by a small set of people who already believe there is Biblical evidence for the Book of Mormon. Who are you guys trying to persuade?
Young latter day saints and investigators.
God bless you guys the book of mormon is the true word of god endure to the end brothers and sisters this is the way
They are deceived like most people and have no idea what they are doing...the Bible is enough for any true follower of Christ period!
Which one? Protestant Bible, Catholic Bible, Eastern Orthodox Bible, Coptic or Ethiopian Bible? Each one has more books than the last. And, of course, the New Testament was an addition to the Old. The Jews blatantly rejected it. So who except God is to say that there can be no more books?
They’re supposed to work together to create a near-perfect record of Christ
You forgot Isaiah 29
Elder Callister has a few talks that hit all these points and are a bit more respectful of other Christian faiths.
Not surprising. Mormons are some of the most judgemental people.
Magical 801, hardly, but you must be a disgruntled ex-lds.
The Bible has different translations from the same manuscripts Please people listen the Book of Mormon is not true how can it come after the Bible have contradictions to the Bible and be called the true word of God
Galatians 1 8-9
It say that at the end of the old testament which the jews use to reject Christ
Hi! My name’s Rebecca! First of all, I want to say that I love your videos! You seem to be very intelligent people and I find your passion for what you believe very beautiful. This being said, I completely disagree with lds teachings. 😅 As I was listening to this video I was a bit disappointed because you took things out of context and generalize in a disrespectful way what Christians believe and say. You gave false information in this video that would be quite easy to refute and so I’d encourage you to look at those informations to see if there’s any chance you could be mistaken. I’m talking with lds missionaries and recently I started looking at the "prophecies" in the Bible about the book of mormon (according to the lds church) since they wanted to talk about that next time. I could easily refute most of them if not all. Why? Because there is no prophecy in the Bible about the book of mormon. There is a very logical explanation for every single verse that seems to talk about it. And no, there isn’t many Bible. We have something very very close to the original in the original language and yes although there are many translations, some being incorrect, we can always go to the original text to see wether a translation is trustworthy or not. That’s how we know the KJV is very accurate. Anyways, if you ever want to discuss those questions I’d be glad to talk with you. If not, I’d just like to encourage you to really look at both side of the question. Read the Bible just for the sake of understanding what it’s really saying. God bless you! 😊
Rébecca Landry, everybody claims that another is taking anything in the bible out of context. I could say the same about you, and so can Kwaku. With all due respect, I highly doubt you have the original scriptures to compare the bible to for accuracy in translation. Otherwise, you may go ahead and enlighten me.
Hi Samoa Moni! Thank you so much for your answer! What you’re saying is very true! We can all say others take scriptures out of context but it doesn’t mean we’re right. We have to back up our opinions with logical reasoning and evidences. And no, we don’t have the original scriptures, that’s for sure, but when we study history and ancient text’s reliability we can have a great confidence in the copies we have in the original language. It would be hard to explain all this here but if you ever want to talk more about it, I’d love to hear your opinion and help you understand mine! I hope you’ll have a great day! God bless you!
Rébecca Landry, thanks for the reply. Here’s the thing. We all claim to have studied history, ancient Hebrew and so on. Our church has scholars who studied history and and ancient biblical cultures, just like your affiliates have. While knowledge in history are so valuable, it does not beat the testimony of the Holy Ghost that bears witness of the truth. Logical explanations won’t cut it, which tend to rely mainly on man’s wisdom. Another problem, atheists claim to have logical explanations and that religious beliefs are illogical. From a secular perspective, the resurrection of Christ and his miracles are illogical. That’s the problem if we rely solely on logic instead of the spirit. I used to visit many denominations, and I realized that none place importance on relying on the power of the Holy Ghost to know truth. Our church places a lot of emphasis on relying on the Holy Ghost to know truth. Even our missionaries tell investigators to pray to God to know the truth. We don’t let people take our word for it. Also, I believe the Bible contains a lot of evidence to support our church. So, if you wanna share your views with me, feel free to do so. I don’t mind having a discussion, as long as respect prevails. Have a nice day.
Samoa Moni, I understand what you’re saying but I disagree. I think the Bible is well supported by history, science and logic. You don’t need to study a whole lot to see it makes so much sense. In the Bible it says to test every claim with scripture not with the holy spirit. Jesus showed His trust in the scriptures and told us to use them also. Yes atheists claim that religious beliefs aren’t logical but they’re wrong and it’s not because they think that way that we should just say goodbye to logic. As for me I rely on the word of God to know what’s true even when it seems to go against my logic sometimes. But the holy spirit does have a very important place in the picture because the main reason for why I believe the Bible is because the holy spirit used it to change my life. But now, more I study it more I see it is very true and more I can know God. Does that make sense? And by the way, would you be interested in talking on the phone or something like that? I’m not very good with writing (especially since english is not my first language) so it might be easier for me. If you don’t feel comfortable with that, there’s no problem at all! Just let me know.
Rébecca Landry, English is not my first language either. Your English is fine, I thought I was replying to a native speaker. Are you at least a native speaker of another Germanic language - just curious. Anyway, I’d rather have the discussion on youtube, thanks though. And as for testing the scriptures, you have a point, but the testing must involve the Holy Ghost as the one with the final say. Science does lend support for the bible up to a certain point, but it does not prove the bible to be true. Atheist scientists claim to have disproven the bible. So who is right then? Many Christians have lost faith and became atheists because they believe that science disproves the bible. I see many flaws in such claims, but many don’t see what you and I see and have abandoned the faith. So, science alone won’t cut it. It’s always good to have secular knowledge, but the witness of the Holy Ghost surpasses all. I’m glad you’ve found truth in the bible because it does contain a lot of truth that many people don’t realize.
I want to give a non-Mormon perspective of these passages because these guys talk about understanding the Bible in its context, but they use none here, and a few corrections need to be made. It is sort of a long post, but I think these things are important.
1.) Genesis 49: Honestly, I don't really see the connection here to the BOM so not much to comment.
2.) John 10: Kwaku says that Jesus says he "Must VISIT them". This is said nowhere in John 10, and Kwaku is adding these words (unless its a BOM quote). Jesus seems to be speaking here about Gentile believers, but this passage in no way necessitates that Jesus himself will show up again in another country. In fact, scripture makes it pretty clear that when Jesus comes back, it will be a universal event. The apostles going out to the Gentiles perfectly makes sense of this passage.
3.) Isaiah 29: they said this can't be understood except in light of the golden plates coming from the ground/dust. This is wrong. The prophecy is about God's punishment against Jerusalem. A voice speaking or mumbling from the ground is not about prophecy or God's words being in the ground at all. It is talking about how Jerusalem will speak lowly from the ground rather than give loud boasts because of the destruction God will bring. This is far from a heart-warming prophecy of Joseph finding the golden plates.
4.)Ezekiel 37: I don't mean to be rude here, but this just seems to be a case of not reading more than just the two verses quoted. They say the two sticks are the Bible people and the BOM people creating two witnesses to make one witness of Jesus together. The passage tells us exactly what the two sticks are. It is God telling his people Israel that he is taking the two divided nations- Israel (Joseph/Ephraim) and Judah- and making them one again. Yes, the sticks are symbolic, but not in the way these fellas make it. Also, the passage says that he will make them a nation on the mountains of Israel (v. 22). These guys say the exact opposite will happen because the Nephites have gone and made another nation in the Americas, so this literally cannot be about the Nephites.
5.) Luke 9: They say this passage is only fulfilled if the BOM is true when Jesus goes to the Americas. Again, this is taking the scripture out of context. Every time in the synoptic gospels that Jesus says this, it is followed immediately by the transfiguration (Matthew 17(the quote is last verse of ch. 16), Mark 9, Luke 9). So this quote refers not to the second coming, but to the transfiguration. Some of those standing there (Peter, James, and John) saw the full glory of Christ, and thus, the kingdom of God. The prophecy is always fulfilled literally in the next verse. Plus, this prophecy still in no way can apply to Jesus going to the Americas, because it says that some standing there will see the kingdom of God. No one there saw Jesus going to the Americas.
Hi, thanks for your point of view. I simply want to express my point of view as well. If you disagree, I hope we don't start a discussion.
1.) Genesis 49 expresses the blessing Jacob gave to Joseph and how his offspring will have a special place for the Lord. The Book of Mormon shows how the tribe of Joseph is blessed since Lehi and his family decend from Joseph.
2.) The explanation to this can be found in 3 Nephi 15: 16-24. It's online.
3.) & 4.) We believe Isaiah's prophecies can be sort of applied twice. There are chapters, that refer to the ongoing war between the tribes, but if you read it, it also seems to be talking about the last days as well. It's like the gathering of Israel, while Jerusalem was eventually restored in its day, in the last days we too believe that the gathering of Israel will ocurre before the return of Christ, it's very interesting and you can look more specific examples later, but in this cases, it is that way. While the voice from the dust is a scary thought for the judgements of Jerusalem, it is also for THE judgement, the words of the Book of Mormon from the dust declare the Gospel and justice. The two nations coming together is promised for that time and in the last days those tribes will declare together (Book of Mormon and Bible) and be a central point for the gathering of Israel.
5.) I actually agree with you, this last bit is Kwaku's opinion, and there's not a church statement on this.
Good day :)
Steven Evans Sorry, you’re interpretation of Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 37 is wrong. LDS prophecies on them are correct.
Who was Quetzalcoatl? That was Jesus. You are wrong also. Jesus had other sheep not of his fold in Jerusalem
Jesus did not appeared to Joseph Smith
nor did he see God. Jesus did not come to the Americas.
Matthew 24:26
King James Version
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Exodus 33:20
King James Version
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
hey guys 2 nephi 25:23 it is grace we are saved AFTER ALL WE CAN DO. This clearly implies that we need to do something to earn the grace. this TOTALLY goes against the word of God which is the bible. Epesians 2:8-9 for by grace we are saved through faith. AND THIS IS NOT YOUR WORKS but its the gift of God, not a result of works... now if we go back to
Also I always assume when he says there are some of you standing here that shall not taste of death before I return... I've always assumed you was talking about John right there. Because we believe John is still alive on the earth
Where in the Bible or the Book of Mormon does it say God is Flesh and Bone ? Or he has a wife ?
Nowhere, my man. Actually, I am researching about early American science fiction literature. Within a 5-10 year timespan before the bom, authors were presenting similar literature and fiction ways of thinking. It's my hypothesis based on historical reality that Smith loved the new style of literature AND Christianity and wanted to make a go at writing an American science fiction piece presented as "truth."
You say that God the Son and the Holy Spirit is three separate beings but in 3 Nephi it says they are ONE!
one purpose but different people physically
John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
@@travisbascom as I said that whatever Christ does god does and whatever god does Christ does they work together
Two propets will yet speak words of God, new scripture for 3 and a half years spoken of in Revelation. The Bible itself teaches there will be more Bible, or in other words more scripture, which mean the Bible cannon is not complete.
If part of it is untrue then how could you believe or trust in any of it?
what is untrue the whole book of Mormon is true
@@tylerschaos5420 If you are saying that the whole BOM is true then where is the evidence? There is no geographical evidence, no DNA evidence, no physical evidence, no historical evidence. Even it's own writer refutes it.
@@cmichealodom wdym Joseph smith was willing to die for his beliefs and and all of the witnesses even the ones that left the church later said they believe in the Book of Mormon and it is true. Also there is geological evidence for the Book of Mormon it is in modern day America and where Moroni buried the plates was in New York.
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What in the misinterpretations is this …😳
The best part of the BoM is making a dubstep track out of "And it came to pass" literally on repeat in the BoM.
The Bible says salvation is a free gift from God, Not of works.....LDS scripture says it's after "all you can do" Grace has a proviso in your beliefs that you can never live up too....different God there boys.
If it'a free gift then everyone is saved and no one is going to hell. Or is there something you have to DO (Works) to recieve this free gift? Tell me what do you have to DO to be saved? Whatever that is, its a work.
@@travisbascomEphesians2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Hint of what it takes to recieve the gift of salvation. If believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth is work then I'd say that's pretty easy work considering the price that was paid for the great gift that God has promised. A gift of eternal life in the promised land, the new heavens and earth with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Stay in the word and keep on praying and God bless.