Personally I feel that Shredder was more of a Samurai than a ninja. That may be because of the armor, but he also carries himself with an air of superiority like a samurai would.
Mason Otero Many historic ninja were former samurai. Certain techniques within Bujinkan are situated on assuming you have training in samurai kendo, for example. Add ons to traditional sword techniques.
Really? That scene was deleted because it was deemed too violent, yet they get away with saying "damn" all the time? Unless he stabbed and killed the other foot clan members as part of his training, I don't see how showing to the audience Shredder's prowess and skill as a ninja is in any way "too violent".
Eh..cussing wasn't so bad compared to seeing what amount to what we now know as street kids barely 15 in some cases getting the ever loving crap beat outta them by a grown man sitting down. The 90's had weird standards of violence at times. I mean crap I think even to this day in the UK their called "Hero Turtles" cause of their strong aversion to violence. I remember when the cartoon replaced Mikey's nunchaku with a grappling hook towards the end there cause of violence and weapons reasons in the states.
There were more cuts but I forget them cause I found them too bizarre to think about, you can look up UK vs US comparisons of TMNT, though I do remember the big thing was that in the UK like I said they were called "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles"...yeah...no..just no.
ShadyKnight9 There's another scene where Tatsu beats up one of the kids. He ended up killing him, but they added in breathing sounds. Felt it was too violent and dark for the rating which was why it was changed to add breathing sounds and painful moans.
@Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem i also watch the metatron, and all of these "ninjas" in media and "ninjutsu" its very fun, after seeing ninjas were basically just spies with normal clothing and no weird ass weapons, it makes it very odd to see all these "ninjas" with suits, and weird weapons
I can't believe the Shedder from the 90's movie is the best ninja out of all Shedders. Funny thing, I saw a Shedder cosplay this year at Desucon. It was the 90's cartoon one.
1980 Shredder: most funny 1990 movie Shredder: best ninja 2000 Shredder: most interesting background 2012 Shredder: best overall villain Recent movie Shredder: most intimidating/badass
Being a giant heap of blades isn't really that intimidating. 2003 Shredder got to the point when even seeing him in nearest proximity prompted the "Oh crap" kind of reaction.
Recent movie Shredder: Cosplaying as a Warhammer 40k Chaos Terminator. Come on, I can't be the only guy who thought this upon seeing his oversized armor and weapons.
I agree he doesn't have the presence of 2003 Shredder, but being a heap of blades is still pretty intimidating. He felt like a one of the robot ninjas from Mortal Kombat.
"These guys are as effective as a hyperactive teenager wearing a caution orange jump suit." Don't lump Utrom Shredder in with '87 TMNT Shredder. Utrom Shredder is *the* most effective Shredder in the entire franchise outside of the movie Shredder. IDW Shredder is also a contender.
I would say IDW Shrededer has 90s movie Shredder beat IMO. He has far more ties to Japanese culture, uses more forms of ninjutsu, and has the secrecy, infiltration, and espionage thing down pat.
2012 Shredder defeated all four turtles all on his own multiple times throughout the series (similarly to the Utrom Shredder and the 1990 Shredder) AND he did something NO other iteration of Shredder has EVER done: he literally killed Splinter... TWICE. That's effective and competent as hell! And for the record, he did care about reforming the Foot Clan and NOT about ruling the world. Once he learned of his true heritage, being the son of Oroku Keiji, he started rebuilding the Foot Clan until it became a massive criminal organization we see in the series. He desired revenge on Hamato Yoshi/Splinter for 'taking' Tang Shen from him and because the Hamato Clan nearly wiped out the entirety of the Foot Clan back when Oroku Saki was a child and when Yoshi's father, Yuuta, was its leader. However, it was never stated, nor implied that Shredder wanted to rule the world in that series.
As somebody who grew up with the original cartoons and movies, as well as watched a good amount of the of the cartoon from the 2000s, I wholeheartedly agree. I'd even argue that he's probably the best all around iteration of the Shredder.
The 2012 TMNT Shredder is one of the most powerful characters I've seen, and I've seen some OP characters. The way he moves and speaks always struck terror through me and the way he attacks is so brutal. The 2012 series is so ripe with cultural nods to Japan and and I hope he covers that version more.
Yeah, each iteration borrows from what came before. Well, most of them...1987 was intended to be the departure point initially from the source material. But, then you go into the 2000's iterations and they were meant to be based on the original comics as well as 2012 bringing everything from the past full circle. I'm a little torn on the video to be honest. But only because I am a big fan and do understand there has been a lot of mythos that has been made in the 30 years since it was made. But I'll give Gaijin credit that there are times when they are do adapt a lot of stuff closer to Japanese Culture each time they make another iteration.
As a man who grew up watching the turtles and who's favorite has always been the 90's movies it's nice to know that the movie Shredder has a solid ninja background
While the 80s cartoon Shredder suffered from the typical 80s villain ego problems, he was far from a bad character. Like Skeletor, Megatron, Cobra Commander, and Duke Igthorne before him, the weekly episode nature of the show if not daily issue of having to be beaten by the TMNT combined with the constant bombardment of parents organizations and censors getting in the way of making him more competent means they couldn't use the character to his full potential. Still I love the original movie and think it is one of the best comic book based movies even today just like the Christopher Reeves Superman and Micheal Keaton Batman so able to stand up with any MCU or X-Men film.
Definitely the best iteration of Karai ever. Her backstory and development in the series give her character dynamics with Shredder and Splinter a whole new layer of depth. Plus, her going from an enemy of the turtles to their close ally makes her relationship with the turtles all the more fascinating, especially when it comes to Leonardo.
@@redfather5342 Still waiting to the version of Karai closer to the Mirage comics, where she was a leader of the Foot Clan and opposed Shredder Elites instead of being Shredders' right hand woman.
So TMNT 2015 Shedder I guess is One Dimensional I guess I can see that being he's mostly focused on killing Splitter but he also shows Concern for his "daughter" sometimes...But yeah Movie Shedder from 1990 is Probably the best one
But only because the film was edited so heavily because they listened to fans who didn't know anything about it past the 1987 cartoon. I didn't mind if they changed it up. They've only been flourishing BECAUSE everyone is reinventing them. They've gone through 4 or 5 publishers who had their shot to make them their own.
I love how the best Ninja Turtles iteration was the 90s movie. That movie was very good on the accuracy of being a ninja for both the Turtles and Shredder.
I love this series and channel! This and a few others make me feel like a better person just by watching because of how unbiased they come across and makes me happy because of how much joy you put into them. =D
Okay I am so glad someone talked about this. Shredder is seen as a one army man with strength and rage. I remember watching this version of shredder and just being amazed. The culture shown and explained in the video made this version of shredder even better!
You gotta admit though that it was pretty cool of the 2012 Staff to base that Shredders fighting style and tactics on real life Ninja's too most of the time. And while he may not have been quite as faitfull as the 1990 Shredder he was still a powerfull and well coordinated master of the shadows.
Seeing Zer0 in the opening I'd very much love an episode on him. He seems pretty good as far as the ninja theme goes. Stealth, assassination, gathering information (seeing crit points) as well as perfect secrecy - we don't even know what species he (she?) is; or maybe a robot? Some insight from your end would be nice.
you know when I actually watched this when I was old enough to understand some of the stuff (and I had seen some of the turtles beforehand) I actually cried and was genuinely pissed at Casey for pulling the lever on the garbage truck XD
I really love Shredder from Batman and TMNT crossover. He smashed Batman in 1vs 1 and when he fought him, the first thing Shredder did was disabling his utility belt.
Last I checked, the 2012 Shredder didn't care much about money, nor did he care about ruling the world. He just wanted to defeat Splinter and his students. He was a much more formidable force and a very skilled ninja than most, if not all other incarnations.
That's actually pretty cool that the Shredder from the 90s movie actually has some history and real life accuracy behind him, and being a fan of that movie, I'm really glad to see this sort of thing ^w^ I would also like to point out that Shredder's changes, however little or big they may be, comes from the fact that the TMNT universe is a very moldable universe, the basics of the universe is that you need 4 turtles to be the main heroes, a wise master to guide them, some of human companions to help them in the human world, and a Shredder character who they have to tussle with every once in a while, along with other fun villains, and they can meet new allies along the way, like mutants, aliens and other humans, these characters can be any gender you wish them to be, and I think that because the Shredder is the main villain, they often get very basic characters as other characters are more fun to play around with, but that's just my theory, if it seems right to you, then that's good, if you don't that's just your opinion and you're perfectly entitled to it.
I think Gaijin Goomba was wrong about the 2000s shredder and 2012 shredder because they were both smart and powerful and he didn't even focus on the mirage and idw shredder! Also the demon/dragon Shredder too!
Oh and forgot, honor doesn't always matter. The shredders main goal was to powerful and the others that wanted to kill splinter for beating him or the mirage shredder killed Splinter's master for killing his brother.
Yeah...I don’t think Gaijin watched the 2000s or 2012 versions of TMNT...yes the 03 Shredder was an alien...who practiced and mastered Ninjutsu and gave the illusion of being unkillable when he first appeared. Remember when it looked like his head got cut off but he just put it back on?
Which one, utrom shredder, cyber shredder, tengu shredder, karai shredder, or one of the shredder warriors that originally defeated the tengu shredder?
Bruno Franco He started out really badass, and also when Karai took up the mantle of Shredder when he was vanquished the first time too, but then things got ridiculous in later seasons.
I'd like to see Gaigjin do one of these on the Shogun update for tf2 some of the items have great stories behind them such as the Half-Zatoichi a katana that hurts you if you try switching weapons without killing anyone. Not only is it a reference to the Muramasa a sword smith who made cursed blades that had the same effect, but is a reference to Zatoichi the blind swordsman. Only half because the two classes that can equip the item soldier and demoman have either a helmet blocking most of their sight or a eyepatch, making them half blind. More of a movie samurai portrayal, but still interesting.
Wait ! One of them photos near the end shows a ninja on the top of a frog ! And thats an ability in the new final fantasy 14 expansion pack !!! MIND BLOWN !
I'm honestly surprised that you didn't talk about his original version. Granted it wasn't around long. Still, as far as being Real Ninja, the 2012 series is about as close as they've ever been, so seeing another episode about that series in particular would be awesome. But still. This was SO AWESOME to see. And this whole series has got me practically frothing at the mouth to see a particular character tackled. But I'm not going to name them in the hopes that at some point in the future I'd be able to colaborate with you on it.
I like it quite a bit. Of the 3 cartoons, it does the best job of balancing the goofiness and darker more serious moments. I also really love that they've made Donatello's character much more than a generic nerd.
Now I have even more respect and love to the 1990 film version of The Shredder, and knowing about Chiyome was a real nice treat I hope to know more about her as well. 😁
Gaijin, if you're going to continue culture shock, can you do a video about the servants from the Fate series? Like their origins, the meaning of their Noble Phantasms and such?
PLENTY to work with there even among the different classes and even the same character like Cu Chulainn who has his well known Lancer class but also Caster and Berserker. Same for Saber..hell you've got Saber Lily, Saber Arturia, and Saber Nero who all look the same but are completely different historical characters. He could do a complete mini series like this on the Fate series alone.
Yeah Nero is the Red very cocky and vain Saber, while Saber Lily is Arturia before she got Excalibur so she's more innocent and full of hope as opposed to the jaded version we know from Fate/Stay Night.
Saber Nero is based on r63 Emperor Nero while Saber Lily is based on a younger still in training r63 King Arthur.Fate is weird but fucking amazing i would wholeheartedly recommend you download Fate Grand Order the phone game it's pretty fucking good for a f2p game and it doesn't try to lock you behind a paywall all of the game is accessible for free and paying is only useful if you are hunting for a specific servant.
l love this video & all the stuff/topics you put into it along with the ninja teacher helping you out I'd wish you talk more about the Demon/Tengu Shredder though.
Great video my 11and 17-year-old nephews were shocked that the shredder of my day was the best ninja! Thanks for all your amazingly creative and entertaining content.
Coming back to this video years later and I was on a big Nioh kick. Playing Nioh 2 as a female protag got the Wandering Shrine Maiden armor set and as I was listening I remembered that armor mainly because of the description. Not belonging to any particular shrine, they traveled the land, fulfilling requests for divination and exorcism rituals from the people they met along the way. It is said that wandering shrine maidens from Shimano Province were actually ninja agents, dispatched by the Takeda clan who ruled over that region. I hadn't put the two together before but it's a fun little hindsight thing.
I asked him this in a stream, and talked about how he even used ninja weapons (insert kunai here), he has firearms, he can make dummies to make enemies think he's dead so he can escape (insert dead ringer here), he disguises, and does espionage but Gaijin said "I don't think he's a ninja, I just think he's a really good spy".
hey Gajin Goombah? could you do an episode of Jiraiya? i think it'd be interesting to hear you talk about the legend of Jiraiya, especially when it comes to the tale of him, and his two friends, where as one betrays him, and the other marries him. :) i am of course talking about princess Tsunade and his best friend who, after achieving snake magic, became Orochimaru.
I never thought of shredder as a ninja in the first place. I thought he was one weird guy in metal samurai armour that uses fist things, and has ninjas serving as his "army."
Great Episode. I was wondering, with the new L5R LCG coming up soon, I wonder if you could cover the L5R lore or even how the gameplay reflects bushido philosophy.
Shredder has been called more of a Samurai in the later years due to his outfit. They even make it a flat out statement in the 2012 series. I'm surprised it took me that long to notice.
Okay, that was something I didn't expect. Before watching this video I thought that Shredder was a Samurai, but seeing how much Shinobi Influence is in the character I can be safe to say that I was partially wrong. So thank you Gaijin! For all that you had done, thank you.
The source of the cartoonish pictures is Ninja Attack!: True Tales of Assassins, Samurai, and Outlaws by Hiroko Yoda. Just thought people would want to know.
KuroNoTenno Seeing as how it was originally supposed to have been a one issue thing, how was he a loser? Kevin and Peter had no idea their comic would garner so much attention and popularity.
I just thought of a great idea for Which Ninja: Clumsy Ninja ...You know, the app where you train a ninja using trampolines, punching bags, and other such things. THAT Clumsy Ninja! I know some of his training methods are questionable, but his outfit is very similar to real ninja attire.
Does anyone know which manga the images at 7:40 and 8:28 are from? I know I've seen them before, but can't remember where... Edit: It's Ninja Attack! by Hiroko Yoda and Matt Alt. Big thanks to jrrollins84 for pointing it out. :)
Note to self: Be on the look out for Chiyome Mochizuki in future videos. Also, from what I gather here, kamae in ninjutsu postures are what mudras are in meditation and Buddhist prayer. The lady Shredder did not freak me out; in fact, on the subject of kunoichi, I'd love to see Yuffie from Final Fantasy examined on Which Ninja? some time.
They way he but the ninja almost sounds like the mafia. Loyal to the group, told no one about their operations , and were very clever in assassination (Valentine's day massacre)
To people who might be freaking out at r63 Shredder, watch the video. It makes sense. =3 Trust me, I was surprised too.
Geck has once again out done himself.
Have you considered the IDW comics Shredder?
"I am your father!" - Darth Shredder
Tbh it reminder of 2003's Karai when she became Shredder.
Gaijin Goombah Media What specific weapon is The Shredder using against the turtles? I like it.
fun fact the nickelodeon version of shredder had his helmet forged out of the blades of his fallen enemies
Well, his ancestor, the founder of the Foot Clan, did that. Close though.
The 2012 version?
redbit trunks 04 that’s metal AF
This just makes this version of Shredder even scarier
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Personally I feel that Shredder was more of a Samurai than a ninja. That may be because of the armor, but he also carries himself with an air of superiority like a samurai would.
Mason Otero Many historic ninja were former samurai. Certain techniques within Bujinkan are situated on assuming you have training in samurai kendo, for example. Add ons to traditional sword techniques.
Black Panther 008 that actually makes a lot of sense
Samurai is a social class so Ninja can be promoted to be Samurai and still operate the same.
@@blackpowderkunSo shredder is a ninja Samurai
@@Barakon Samurai are meant to serve, unless it's Krang, he more like a wannabe daimyo.
Really? That scene was deleted because it was deemed too violent, yet they get away with saying "damn" all the time? Unless he stabbed and killed the other foot clan members as part of his training, I don't see how showing to the audience Shredder's prowess and skill as a ninja is in any way "too violent".
Eh..cussing wasn't so bad compared to seeing what amount to what we now know as street kids barely 15 in some cases getting the ever loving crap beat outta them by a grown man sitting down. The 90's had weird standards of violence at times. I mean crap I think even to this day in the UK their called "Hero Turtles" cause of their strong aversion to violence. I remember when the cartoon replaced Mikey's nunchaku with a grappling hook towards the end there cause of violence and weapons reasons in the states.
There were more cuts but I forget them cause I found them too bizarre to think about, you can look up UK vs US comparisons of TMNT, though I do remember the big thing was that in the UK like I said they were called "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles"...yeah...no..just no.
ShadyKnight9 There's another scene where Tatsu beats up one of the kids. He ended up killing him, but they added in breathing sounds. Felt it was too violent and dark for the rating which was why it was changed to add breathing sounds and painful moans.
Now, see, that one makes sense.
Probably the same people who replaced Michelangelo’s nunchucks with the turtle grappler in the 80’s cartoon (because it was too violent of a weapon).
Can we get a series called "Which Knight" where you do the same thing but with knights and Chivalry?
Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem agreed
Gaijin Goombah specializes in Japanese culture, so I don't know if that'd really be up his alley.
Gamma Ryft I’d be down for that.
Replace knight with Samurai and chivalry with Bushido, and then you'd be getting up his alley.
@Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem i also watch the metatron, and all of these "ninjas" in media and "ninjutsu" its very fun, after seeing ninjas were basically just spies with normal clothing and no weird ass weapons, it makes it very odd to see all these "ninjas" with suits, and weird weapons
I can't believe the Shedder from the 90's movie is the best ninja out of all Shedders. Funny thing, I saw a Shedder cosplay this year at Desucon. It was the 90's cartoon one.
1980 Shredder: most funny
1990 movie Shredder: best ninja
2000 Shredder: most interesting background
2012 Shredder: best overall villain
Recent movie Shredder: most intimidating/badass
Being a giant heap of blades isn't really that intimidating. 2003 Shredder got to the point when even seeing him in nearest proximity prompted the "Oh crap" kind of reaction.
Recent movie Shredder: Cosplaying as a Warhammer 40k Chaos Terminator. Come on, I can't be the only guy who thought this upon seeing his oversized armor and weapons.
Now that you mention it...
I agree he doesn't have the presence of 2003 Shredder, but being a heap of blades is still pretty intimidating. He felt like a one of the robot ninjas from Mortal Kombat.
If anything, I have to say that the Bay movie version actually looks like a supervillain that would be called Shredder.
"These guys are as effective as a hyperactive teenager wearing a caution orange jump suit."
Don't lump Utrom Shredder in with '87 TMNT Shredder. Utrom Shredder is *the* most effective Shredder in the entire franchise outside of the movie Shredder. IDW Shredder is also a contender.
I would say IDW Shrededer has 90s movie Shredder beat IMO. He has far more ties to Japanese culture, uses more forms of ninjutsu, and has the secrecy, infiltration, and espionage thing down pat.
2012 Shredder defeated all four turtles all on his own multiple times throughout the series (similarly to the Utrom Shredder and the 1990 Shredder) AND he did something NO other iteration of Shredder has EVER done: he literally killed Splinter... TWICE. That's effective and competent as hell! And for the record, he did care about reforming the Foot Clan and NOT about ruling the world.
Once he learned of his true heritage, being the son of Oroku Keiji, he started rebuilding the Foot Clan until it became a massive criminal organization we see in the series. He desired revenge on Hamato Yoshi/Splinter for 'taking' Tang Shen from him and because the Hamato Clan nearly wiped out the entirety of the Foot Clan back when Oroku Saki was a child and when Yoshi's father, Yuuta, was its leader. However, it was never stated, nor implied that Shredder wanted to rule the world in that series.
I grew up on the 2003 show and that Shredder always intimidated me.
He's easily the best in villainy.
@@PrinsaVossum
He's a fucking badass
1:30 Oh-ho, you need to see the 2012 TMNT Shredder in action. He's no fool!
As somebody who grew up with the original cartoons and movies, as well as watched a good amount of the of the cartoon from the 2000s, I wholeheartedly agree. I'd even argue that he's probably the best all around iteration of the Shredder.
In my opinion, I say he's definitely the best Shredder as far as the animated series goes (don't know too much about the comic stuff)!
2012 Shredder is a monster.
The 2012 TMNT Shredder is one of the most powerful characters I've seen, and I've seen some OP characters. The way he moves and speaks always struck terror through me and the way he attacks is so brutal.
The 2012 series is so ripe with cultural nods to Japan and and I hope he covers that version more.
Yeah, each iteration borrows from what came before. Well, most of them...1987 was intended to be the departure point initially from the source material. But, then you go into the 2000's iterations and they were meant to be based on the original comics as well as 2012 bringing everything from the past full circle. I'm a little torn on the video to be honest. But only because I am a big fan and do understand there has been a lot of mythos that has been made in the 30 years since it was made. But I'll give Gaijin credit that there are times when they are do adapt a lot of stuff closer to Japanese Culture each time they make another iteration.
As a man who grew up watching the turtles and who's favorite has always been the 90's movies it's nice to know that the movie Shredder has a solid ninja background
Drew Johnson So does the 2012 Shredder. But yeah, I grew up with the 90s films too. The first film still holds up today, IMO.
@@ssjup81
It's the only good live action TMNT film.
While the 80s cartoon Shredder suffered from the typical 80s villain ego problems, he was far from a bad character. Like Skeletor, Megatron, Cobra Commander, and Duke Igthorne before him, the weekly episode nature of the show if not daily issue of having to be beaten by the TMNT combined with the constant bombardment of parents organizations and censors getting in the way of making him more competent means they couldn't use the character to his full potential. Still I love the original movie and think it is one of the best comic book based movies even today just like the Christopher Reeves Superman and Micheal Keaton Batman so able to stand up with any MCU or X-Men film.
1990s the shredder, the Darth Vader of the TMNT
He even drops an "I am your father" in the movie.
I know right. and I love it!
I'm surprised Kurai from the 2012 series wasn't mentioned.
Karai* and well she's weird.
Definitely the best iteration of Karai ever. Her backstory and development in the series give her character dynamics with Shredder and Splinter a whole new layer of depth. Plus, her going from an enemy of the turtles to their close ally makes her relationship with the turtles all the more fascinating, especially when it comes to Leonardo.
@@Jokemeb
Have you read the IDW version? She's amazing there as well
I like the 2003 version
@@redfather5342 Still waiting to the version of Karai closer to the Mirage comics, where she was a leader of the Foot Clan and opposed Shredder Elites instead of being Shredders' right hand woman.
So TMNT 2015 Shedder I guess is One Dimensional I guess I can see that being he's mostly focused on killing Splitter but he also shows Concern for his "daughter" sometimes...But yeah Movie Shedder from 1990 is Probably the best one
But only because the film was edited so heavily because they listened to fans who didn't know anything about it past the 1987 cartoon. I didn't mind if they changed it up. They've only been flourishing BECAUSE everyone is reinventing them. They've gone through 4 or 5 publishers who had their shot to make them their own.
I think that you mean the 2012 Shredder
I love how the best Ninja Turtles iteration was the 90s movie. That movie was very good on the accuracy of being a ninja for both the Turtles and Shredder.
calling 2012 shredder an idiot is like calling me a runway model
I love this series and channel! This and a few others make me feel like a better person just by watching because of how unbiased they come across and makes me happy because of how much joy you put into them. =D
Utrom Shredder is my favorite. A great foe and excellent villain.
1:37, as a kid, I always thought his cape looked like Hefty bags
"And now...Hamato Yoshi DIES !" 2012 Shreder before killing Splinter for good.
Can you do a cultural analysis on the Netflix original series Iron Fist? There are a lot of talk about monks and martial arts within it.
I'd watch an episode like that.
Mudkipz3345 the only thing I like about that show is that in Japanese it's called Tekken
Too bad it sucked......
@@crimsoncrawdad6123 it was not that bad at all
"Why boobers in thumbnail?" Is what I've asked while there was still boobers in the thumbnail.
Because Boobs are awesome and they are important for this video.
Bruda Ezeekiel I actually missed them the first time!
The question is...
Why not?
Have you wached the video? Shiomi Mochizuki.
It is scientifically proven that boobs make everything better.
2003 shredder was awesome, and he was by far the most intimidating
Okay I am so glad someone talked about this. Shredder is seen as a one army man with strength and rage. I remember watching this version of shredder and just being amazed. The culture shown and explained in the video made this version of shredder even better!
You gotta admit though that it was pretty cool of the 2012 Staff to base that Shredders fighting style and tactics on real life Ninja's too most of the time. And while he may not have been quite as faitfull as the 1990 Shredder he was still a powerfull and well coordinated master of the shadows.
You know. I am surprise Gaijin made no mention of the IDW comics where the witch known as Kitsune made the Shredder immortal.
Seeing Zer0 in the opening I'd very much love an episode on him.
He seems pretty good as far as the ninja theme goes. Stealth, assassination, gathering information (seeing crit points) as well as perfect secrecy - we don't even know what species he (she?) is; or maybe a robot? Some insight from your end would be nice.
DarkXtingwisherBossRock16
Much is said about his origin - the canon answer is "we don't know" though.
you know when I actually watched this when I was old enough to understand some of the stuff (and I had seen some of the turtles beforehand) I actually cried and was genuinely pissed at Casey for pulling the lever on the garbage truck XD
please do full analysis on each shredder with their differences and what makes them unique
I really love Shredder from Batman and TMNT crossover. He smashed Batman in 1vs 1 and when he fought him, the first thing Shredder did was disabling his utility belt.
Shredder: "I am your father."
Darth Vader: "Excuse me?"
The '90s Movie Shredder reminds me of Tom Hardy's Bane, from The Dark Knight Rises.
8:20 Bonus Points for Star Wars Refrence
0:13 hey, where's geck?
Last I checked, the 2012 Shredder didn't care much about money, nor did he care about ruling the world. He just wanted to defeat Splinter and his students. He was a much more formidable force and a very skilled ninja than most, if not all other incarnations.
That's actually pretty cool that the Shredder from the 90s movie actually has some history and real life accuracy behind him, and being a fan of that movie, I'm really glad to see this sort of thing ^w^
I would also like to point out that Shredder's changes, however little or big they may be, comes from the fact that the TMNT universe is a very moldable universe, the basics of the universe is that you need 4 turtles to be the main heroes, a wise master to guide them, some of human companions to help them in the human world, and a Shredder character who they have to tussle with every once in a while, along with other fun villains, and they can meet new allies along the way, like mutants, aliens and other humans, these characters can be any gender you wish them to be, and I think that because the Shredder is the main villain, they often get very basic characters as other characters are more fun to play around with, but that's just my theory, if it seems right to you, then that's good, if you don't that's just your opinion and you're perfectly entitled to it.
I think Gaijin Goomba was wrong about the 2000s shredder and 2012 shredder because they were both smart and powerful and he didn't even focus on the mirage and idw shredder! Also the demon/dragon Shredder too!
Oh and forgot, honor doesn't always matter. The shredders main goal was to powerful and the others that wanted to kill splinter for beating him or the mirage shredder killed Splinter's master for killing his brother.
Yeah...I don’t think Gaijin watched the 2000s or 2012 versions of TMNT...yes the 03 Shredder was an alien...who practiced and mastered Ninjutsu and gave the illusion of being unkillable when he first appeared. Remember when it looked like his head got cut off but he just put it back on?
The 2000's Shredder is still my favorite, what's with all that hate?
Yeah seriously I loved the guy, beyond menacing and skilled.
Bruno Franco Dude, same
He's my favorite Shredder but honestly as the series went on he became less and less menacing, especially after it was revealed he was an utrom.
Which one, utrom shredder, cyber shredder, tengu shredder, karai shredder, or one of the shredder warriors that originally defeated the tengu shredder?
Bruno Franco He started out really badass, and also when Karai took up the mantle of Shredder when he was vanquished the first time too, but then things got ridiculous in later seasons.
Yeah, you totally called my head-nodding.
Still kinda like the 2012 Shredder too, though... ^^;;
Mirage Shredder is still the closest. IMO
He lasted for one issue technically
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He lasted one issue since Eastman and Laird believed their comic would fail. Turns out it didn't!
I'd like to see Gaigjin do one of these on the Shogun update for tf2 some of the items have great stories behind them such as the Half-Zatoichi a katana that hurts you if you try switching weapons without killing anyone. Not only is it a reference to the Muramasa a sword smith who made cursed blades that had the same effect, but is a reference to Zatoichi the blind swordsman. Only half because the two classes that can equip the item soldier and demoman have either a helmet blocking most of their sight or a eyepatch, making them half blind. More of a movie samurai portrayal, but still interesting.
Between the voice modulator and the "I am your father" line, I'm starting to suspect that the 1990's Shredder liked Darth Vader a little too much.
Wait ! One of them photos near the end shows a ninja on the top of a frog ! And thats an ability in the new final fantasy 14 expansion pack !!! MIND BLOWN !
I'm honestly surprised that you didn't talk about his original version. Granted it wasn't around long. Still, as far as being Real Ninja, the 2012 series is about as close as they've ever been, so seeing another episode about that series in particular would be awesome. But still. This was SO AWESOME to see. And this whole series has got me practically frothing at the mouth to see a particular character tackled. But I'm not going to name them in the hopes that at some point in the future I'd be able to colaborate with you on it.
1:32 - Oh hells yes now we're talking XD
7:45 - Gajin.....what have you done....?!
18+
Who else loves the new TMNT 2012 series?
I don't
Your Mom
I respect your opinion.
Care to explain why you don't like this series?
I like it quite a bit. Of the 3 cartoons, it does the best job of balancing the goofiness and darker more serious moments. I also really love that they've made Donatello's character much more than a generic nerd.
Brobot 500 I love it too, it really was a well written series and stands tall on its own. Also, Donnie rules in that series.
floyd2386 Isn’t he more of a nerd now? Wasn’t he just kind of tech savvy in the 80s?
(1:25) OMG YESS!!!
I can totally see how that's the most ninja version!!
O man a TMNT video on the main villain Shredder and the historical history on him! heck yeah this was good, thanks Gaijin :D
I think it is very smart starting off with one of the most iconic ninjas in your new series. Can't wait to see the rest of the series
Now I have even more respect and love to the 1990 film version of The Shredder, and knowing about Chiyome was a real nice treat I hope to know more about her as well. 😁
Gaijin, if you're going to continue culture shock, can you do a video about the servants from the Fate series? Like their origins, the meaning of their Noble Phantasms and such?
I like that idea
PLENTY to work with there even among the different classes and even the same character like Cu Chulainn who has his well known Lancer class but also Caster and Berserker. Same for Saber..hell you've got Saber Lily, Saber Arturia, and Saber Nero who all look the same but are completely different historical characters. He could do a complete mini series like this on the Fate series alone.
Who is Saber Lily?
Wait, Nero also became a Saber?
Yeah Nero is the Red very cocky and vain Saber, while Saber Lily is Arturia before she got Excalibur so she's more innocent and full of hope as opposed to the jaded version we know from Fate/Stay Night.
Saber Nero is based on r63 Emperor Nero while Saber Lily is based on a younger still in training r63 King Arthur.Fate is weird but fucking amazing i would wholeheartedly recommend you download Fate Grand Order the phone game it's pretty fucking good for a f2p game and it doesn't try to lock you behind a paywall all of the game is accessible for free and paying is only useful if you are hunting for a specific servant.
I actually like the 2003 shredder he felt really intimidating
wow what a super cool and interesting video and this was only the first? Can't wait to see the others this is going to be fun!
I had 3 episodes of tmnt on dvd and I watched them over and over and over again it was so good
this was really cool i wish I had the money to add to the patreon both cause I love your work but also so i can be part of picking things like this.
l love this video & all the stuff/topics you put into it along with the ninja teacher helping you out I'd wish you talk more about the Demon/Tengu Shredder though.
I wanted to thank you because you reminded me of long lost memories of my childhood.
Huh, this version of Shredder is one I can admire as he isn’t truly evil. Also that scene you showed at the end is the one that sealed it for me!
I all ways thought shredder was a samurai. Because of his helmet and armor.
Same here
Its been a year and the channel is still great.
Gaijin Goomba Media How about a future episode featuring Nightbird from Transformers Generation One?
Another reason why the 1990's movies rock.
Childhood me is SO happy right now. Another amazing vid Gaijin
Great video my 11and 17-year-old nephews were shocked that the shredder of my day was the best ninja! Thanks for all your amazingly creative and entertaining content.
Awesome! I'm excited for this series!
Coming back to this video years later and I was on a big Nioh kick. Playing Nioh 2 as a female protag got the Wandering Shrine Maiden armor set and as I was listening I remembered that armor mainly because of the description.
Not belonging to any particular shrine, they traveled the land, fulfilling requests for divination and exorcism rituals from the people they met along the way. It is said that wandering shrine maidens from Shimano Province were actually ninja agents, dispatched by the Takeda clan who ruled over that region.
I hadn't put the two together before but it's a fun little hindsight thing.
just now noticed the which ninja jingle rhythm is the same as table flip from game grumps
Quick question, Is the Spy from TF2 a ninja? He focuses on misdirection and illusion to perform assassinations and disrupt enemy lines.
I asked him this in a stream, and talked about how he even used ninja weapons (insert kunai here), he has firearms, he can make dummies to make enemies think he's dead so he can escape (insert dead ringer here), he disguises, and does espionage but Gaijin said "I don't think he's a ninja, I just think he's a really good spy".
hey Gajin Goombah? could you do an episode of Jiraiya? i think it'd be interesting to hear you talk about the legend of Jiraiya, especially when it comes to the tale of him, and his two friends, where as one betrays him, and the other marries him. :) i am of course talking about princess Tsunade and his best friend who, after achieving snake magic, became Orochimaru.
Yea the late 2000 series shredder was a beast, in combat and even in some of his strategy
I just noticed that there is ninja runing around in background at 6:34 XD
6:00 Is that because the armor protects his arms? X3
I never thought of shredder as a ninja in the first place. I thought he was one weird guy in metal samurai armour that uses fist things, and has ninjas serving as his "army."
I will never look at shredder the same way again?
5:00 is that what those spikes on Genji's oni skin represent
Love your series bro. I’m a huge ninja fan and am looking forward to you doing a video on rikimaru from Tenchu
Wow that was so cool to know about Shredder. Thanks Gaijin.
When Shredder said "I am your father" I just thought of Darth Vader!
why does he look like a samurai
So the Shredder has the good example as shinobi gashira (ninja chief)
Great Episode.
I was wondering, with the new L5R LCG coming up soon, I wonder if you could cover the L5R lore or even how the gameplay reflects bushido philosophy.
On time,I've been waiting for a TMNT theory
Bleeding Alfredo hey we have the same name! my name is Alfredo too!
Shredder has been called more of a Samurai in the later years due to his outfit. They even make it a flat out statement in the 2012 series. I'm surprised it took me that long to notice.
I'm still waiting for him explaining how hanzo or genji are good or bad ninjas.
And here I thought I couldn't love the 1990 TMNT movie anymore than I already do. Thanks Gaijin Goombah! ^_^
I can't believe I missed you at Anime
North ! :(
now that was pretty cool I wonder what other shows and it's characters where inspired by history and historical people
Okay, that was something I didn't expect. Before watching this video I thought that Shredder was a Samurai, but seeing how much Shinobi Influence is in the character I can be safe to say that I was partially wrong.
So thank you Gaijin! For all that you had done, thank you.
The source of the cartoonish pictures is Ninja Attack!: True Tales of Assassins, Samurai, and Outlaws by Hiroko Yoda.
Just thought people would want to know.
What about the original shredder the comic book shredder
You mean the looser who got killed off in his very first appearance?
The Idw shredder who was a genius in combat
KuroNoTenno Seeing as how it was originally supposed to have been a one issue thing, how was he a loser? Kevin and Peter had no idea their comic would garner so much attention and popularity.
Doesn't change the fact that he got offed on the first night.
I just thought of a great idea for Which Ninja:
Clumsy Ninja
...You know, the app where you train a ninja using trampolines, punching bags, and other such things. THAT Clumsy Ninja!
I know some of his training methods are questionable, but his outfit is very similar to real ninja attire.
this had made love the 90s movie even more now.
Does anyone know which manga the images at 7:40 and 8:28 are from?
I know I've seen them before, but can't remember where...
Edit: It's Ninja Attack! by Hiroko Yoda and Matt Alt.
Big thanks to jrrollins84 for pointing it out. :)
Anyone else want to see if Batman is a real Ninja?
Trust me, he's on the list... =3
i never thought of that..
Nanananananananananana BATMAN, BATMAN!
Oh come on 2012 shredder is NOT a bumbling fool.
He looks like a samurai with ninja techniques
Maybe for the next ninja, you could cover some of the Fire Emblem ninjas like Kagero.
id love to see an episode of this talking about vega from street fighter
Note to self: Be on the look out for Chiyome Mochizuki in future videos. Also, from what I gather here, kamae in ninjutsu postures are what mudras are in meditation and Buddhist prayer. The lady Shredder did not freak me out; in fact, on the subject of kunoichi, I'd love to see Yuffie from Final Fantasy examined on Which Ninja? some time.
They way he but the ninja almost sounds like the mafia. Loyal to the group, told no one about their operations , and were very clever in assassination (Valentine's day massacre)