Flight Without Wings - NASA (AFRC/DFRC) documentary about Lifting Bodies, by John McTigue
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2018
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John Manke and his flight in the HL-10. A film documentary about Lifting Bodies in general. Produced by: John McTigue - Наука та технологія
R.I.P. John Manke (died 31st January 2019)
He got the right stuff !
R.I.P
"Manke is a vowel away from monkey!" Ron Stoppable
_”We stand at a point in forever called... _*_now”_* That music swell floored me 🤣😂🤣😂
In fact the 1970s TV-series "The Six Million Dollar Man" intro used actual footage of the May 10, 1967 M2-F2 lifting body vehicle crash piloted by NASA test pilot Bruce Peterson, severely injured , Peterson survived the crash and went on to fly for Northrop.
The M2-F2 was rebuilt as the M2-F3 with a third stabiliser. The long version of the "Steve Austin" intro shows both a Northrop HL-10 underneath a B-52 and the crash of the M2-F2.
“A man barely alive…”
I love these old videos, reminds me of my childhood. There really was a special magic in the way everything was presented.
Indeed, the style and flavor of these old clips takes me back to my high school days when I was a member of the video technicians, who would set up projectors, trouble shoot them, and sometimes present them to convocations. 35mm, often black and white, sometimes surplus military films.
Fully agree. Nowadays, it all seems like everything is taken for granted and normal. This was and still represents the cutting edge of technology. Love that.
Today NASA videos are just 5 minute shorts with cheap UA-cam library music. :/
Yes it was!
When we knew anything was posable and we strived to achieve all of our goals space with the limit we were headed that way get sidetracked along the way and now we sit in this pile of crap
This is the first video I’ve seen that actually explains the how’s and why’s of the lifting bodies. Excellent.
"As the ground reached up at him" that is the best line in this whole video
Many dead stick landings in an f104 if that doesn't teach you how to fly nothing will
What courage to strap yourself into an aircraft with no idea how it would respond in hi speed. Test pilots of this era did it all the time.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm 50 and can see the SpaceX launches in my front yard now here in Florida. It's cool to be reminded how far we've come.
VRMan3D if you analyze how far we’ve come it’s really not far at all. The wonderful governments of the world including America for the last several decade chose the profits of war over human progress. Vertical landing rockets is not New it was accomplished decades before, from my 66 year old perspective we have actually regressed. That turd Obuma effectively shut down NASA for eight years and reassigned the head of NASA to a new task of reaching out to the Muslim world....you know those people still living in the sixth century, his bro’s. So I hate to burst your bubble. We should have colonies on the moon and mars by now.
@@SkepticCat-pz1zz I agree with a couple of your points, but most certainly not your racist slant. To me it's remarkable to see the vast difference of racist indoctrination that seemed to affect you, born just 16 years before me, in a far more detrimental fashion. Good luck.
VRMan3D who the fuck are you to judge me? You pompous demeaning idiot I suppose you think yourself morally superior because that’s the indoctrination you have been programmed to believe. First Obuma is half white so which part of his being am I racist? Secondly Muslim / Islam is an ideology not a race and not a religion that has engaged in war against none Muslims for over 1,400 years with a death toll over 1.4M innocent men women and children study the actual facts of history instead of spouting your personal ideology. By the way you programmed little troll I am married to a women of a different race, and I am in fact a LEGAL first generation alien. FU!
@@SkepticCat-pz1zz we were supposed to have the space station orbiting the moon by now! That would have been cool for sure!
@@SkepticCat-pz1zz you sound like a little kid. Maybe 12?
"We stand forever in a point of time called now." Dango o dang.
Pretty pithy
The past is the Space Shuttle! O Rings, Broken Tiles. But still the best manned vehicle ever made!
Though seriously injured, Peterson recovered (but lost the sight in one eye). Despite this he kept on flying. He didn't like his M2-F2 crash repeatedly shown in The Six Million Dollar Man series though.
I read that Pederson actually survived the crash with both eyes, but one had to be removed due to a post-crash infection.
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Yes, I believe Mr. Peterson's eye infection actually began during his accident recovery in the hospital. Nevertheless, he was able to continue his NASA flying career.
Is this really the crash in the introduction?
@@JoshKaufmanstuff >>> Yes. As far as I know about the crash, Mr. Pederson was briefly distracted by a rescue helicopter that was closer than planned to his landing site {or maybe his stability problems in the M2F2 caused him to land slightly off course}. He lowered his landing gear about a second too late, and since they were not fully extended when he touched down his landing gear collapsed.
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman He was having uncontrollable dutch rolls, could not control lateral movement, and on subsequent flights they added little winglets to the rudders to help this. Also, the ground was really hard.
Incredibly brave men to face and take on challenges that had unknown results. Men like this are my personal role models and definitely should be remembered and looked up to!
"Practicing dead-stick landings in an F-104" = easy mode compared to the HL-10? That is saying something quite serious right there.
They really should have named the space shuttles after test pilots John Manke, Bruce Peterson, and others.
Milt Thompson's book on these was outstanding. He got in a divergent roll PIO at less than 2000 feet on one of those M2F2 flights. >90 degrees of bank and the chase pilot yellng at him over UHF to get out. What did Milt do?
Let go of the stick.
The PIO dampened itself out just in time for him to flare. Those guys need an eight-engined bomber to generate enough thrust to carry their balls aloft.
I have heard of his book. I NEED to get off my arse and order it!
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman It is a good book. I bought it in a book shop, or maybe a Smithsonian shop in the Baltimore airport, I think. I was on a business trip to Pax River and I wanted something to read on the trip home. It's also a relatively easy read, in that I was able to finish it just on the plane and during the layover in Atlanta.
@@johngoscinski1995 >>> Rodger all that.
_"Patient River, Maryland"?_ I was stationed there from 1983 to 1986...👍
What's the book called please
The book is called "At the Edge of Space: The X-15 Flight Program" by Milton Orville Thompson (his full name), I've read it and it is excellent and also very fun, it has some crazy stories from X-15 but even from his earlier carrier. But imho the best book on lifting bodies is "wingless flight, the lifting body story" by R.Dale Reed, the father and inventor of the lifting body, an amazing book (many references to Milt Thompson there too) that you can either buy or download it from NASA's website here: history.nasa.gov/SP-4220.pdf
I wish NASA would make videos like this nowadays
Amazing how such a blunt-nosed aircraft could fly supersonic.
Also, funny how after all this research with lifting bodies for a future Space Shuttle, they ended up putting ordinary wings on it.
Thanks for sharing this film!
Bruce Smith
Leonardo Davinci dreamt of flying but he was far away from succeed. This bunch of test pilots paved the way to the Space Shuttle incredible returns to the Earth.
I wonder if some day we ( mankind) will return to this kind of manned spacecraft.
meanwhile I enjoy the advanced and intrepid era of the re-entry flights and espectacular landings.
And it was basically this wing, bearing a high structural risk (brittle leading edges and little internal volume to absorb damage), which ultimately sealed its fate in the Columbia accident. Admittedly not a scientifically relevant claim, but I think a lifting body may have had the chance to withstand the impact with less dramatic damage.
@@daszieher Also, there would have been no Columbia accident if the foam chunks on the tank had not peeled off, striking the wing -- and they probably would not have peeled off if the engineers had been allowed to continue using the foam and adhesive technique which they originally designed for the Shuttle external tank. Sadly, that formulation was replaced by a more environmentally friendly -- but weaker, less effective -- foam after complaints by the green lobby.
The design of the United States space shuttles was a compromise of sorts.
If that is not been done, we might well still be flying shuttles today.
the sheer weight and payload capacity dictated the use of wings. The lifting body concept was considered a failure after testing because it had no capacity. Just to add weight for engines and fuel was too much. And even then, as everyone always loves to say the space shuttle was "a flying brick"...
The QUICKEST way to visually tell between the M2F2 that Pederson crashed, and the M2F3 it was rebuilt as:
M2F2 = Two vertical control surfaces.
M2F3 = Three vertical control surfaces.
@Eric Eric >>> MANY PEOPLE do not have much familiarity with aeronautical... _stuff._ What I mentioned is the easiest way to tell the two lifting body aircraft apart. There are other changes between the two, but they are not that obvious.
Somewhat similarly, the _easiest_ ways to tell _NEWER_ J-model Lockheed C-130 Hercules from older versions are:
(1) The base of the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer has a large black _thing_ covering it which previous C-130 versions do not have.
(2) The engines have 6-blade propellers vs 4-blade propellers.
(3) The engines have a slightly different shaped oil cooler at the bottom of each nacelle, compared to the earlier model airframe T-56 turboprop nacelles.
The opening remarks about returning people in large numbers from space are still valid, and a lifting body is still the best re-entry vehicle design for a reusable spacecraft. What we need is a horizontal take-off first stage to carry the lifting body to 40 or 50,000 feet, where the spacecraft can be flown off the back of the first stage. The space shuttle was a massive compromise, forced upon NASA by 'Tricky Dick' Nixon. We need a spacecraft that has multiple abort options during take-off for sending people into space. Vertical take-off is fine for cargo, but not for people.
What an absolutely fascinating vid. The lifting body towed by the DC3 was something I had utterly no idea of.
(I'm now off to find the familiar TV theme on UA-cam lol)
Considering that the DC-3's military variant, DC-47, which pulled gliders for the paratroopers back in Normandy and Market Garden, the DC-3 becomes a natural choice to be the towing plane. Plus, the DC-3s are still operating at those times.
I can't hold her! She's breaking up! She's breaking up!
The HL-10 was the founder of the H11 and the H13-A, both really solid platforms, the H-1X was so secret no one knows what happened, except part of its configuration was a laser designed to work both inside/outside earths atmosphere
Now a new vehicle is set to carry the lifting body legacy into space...
And its name is Tenacity.
And now they are developing the Dreamchaser. Just awesome
IIRC the Dream Chaser is based on the HL20 lifting body, which was itself based on need HL10 lifting body.
Dreamchaser is a lifeboat for spacestations.
Thank You to all tees brave men, from the past!!
Ah the good ole days.
Lovely!!
NASA 2019 - Were gonna send humans to mars!
NASA 1970 - *Can we fly without wings?*
von Braun 1952 - We're gonna send humans to Mars!
Yet they still can't fly planes without wings.
Aka "Potatoes with wings" !
This was research for the shuttle.
STS mentioned a few times.
X33**
I think this is what musk was saying in latest interview with everyday astronaut about removing the fore wings..
Anybody know about the markings on the side of the B52? Right side above the lifting body
Flight without wings : glide on a brick. those pilots were heros
8:35 "The eight mile drop took less than 4 minutes" that's a sink rate of 10,000 feet per minute. I wonder if the "performance" is any better when you "fly" it backwards?
Great achievement 👍👍
A quoi servent les avions qui accompagne l'atterrissage?
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology"
Oh...that looks fun to fly. A brick with a rudder.
Thats what the shuttle is a flying brick
With today's avionics, i bet it flies like a dream.
The lifting body shuttle concept looks very much like a modern SSP shuttle
I'm sure I've heard that music in some old TV series.
11:44 How did they solve the oscillation problems? Larger control surfaces, perhaps?
Looks like it was configured overall for some kind of aerospike engine
He survived!
Flight without "wings" is no big deal. "Wings" are just one kind of lifting surface.
I feel old now, with the technology that we have.
4:08 Amazingly, that looks exactly like a modern day MIRV.
Edit: spelling
um yeah they had MIRV s back then, that was the paint
To paraphrase Edna Mode, no capsules!
8:44 *WE HAVE SEPARATION!!!! -The Six Million Dollar Man (intro scene)*
better if you will create a tutorial video, but anyway this simply worked
good one!
Actually we don't live in Now. It takes time for the brain to assemble sensory input into a coherent experience. Don't no how long. Maybe a millisecond.
I'll take that salmon uniform, yessir thats neat-o
... more like, falling with style, Buzz
Maybe if they had retactable winglets below the stabilisers and not such a rounded belly,I think this craft would have preformed better.it was a direct predicesser to the Dream chaser, and the Swiss shuttle,vary cool
The M2F2 the crashed was rebuilt as the M2F3. They were various are I'll aerodynamic modifications made to it. The most obvious is that it was given a third vertical flight control at the tail.
Foam Lifting Body kites would be cool to fly.
Did you see the video on it?
WOAH! Plane with no wings!!
Damn what if thats a ride airports do. They connect a glider behide a plane. Parachuters can jump at the heighest point and then the rest can sit back relax and control the glider while taking pictures of the scenery
The pilot survived. And so did the craft. It will be fixed for future crashes.
but when will THEN... be NOW?
*_"Soon...."_** -- SPACEBALLS [1987]*
Ha ha ,he said ''pops out the reaction'' ha ha ha ha👍
Ahh, I remember that happend to Steve Austin.
4:30 Spacex is bringing nose cones down exactly like this.
steve austin... a man barely alive...
You stole my thunder.
And it will cost only six million dollars.
Hey look, a flying boat.
@ 11:00 That was the "Steve Austin - Six Million Dollar Man" opening credits footage!
Without this aircraft, the $ 6,000,000 man could not have happened, Steve Austin lives😀
9:10 POCKET PROTECTORS WERE A REAL THING MAN!
Remember the Six Million Dollar Man?
They were really optimistic with space station design
Now we have fortnite
Black turbine what is fortnight? Do u know we have a space station now?
@@rodgerhatfield3068 I think you missed a joke for a bit there
@@rodgerhatfield3068 Look up Fortnight. If you're around any kid, they're on it. You'll get the joke.
The Six Million Dollar Man also flew without wings for about oh 300 feet.
Best efficient and funny way to return from space. Why the idea cancelled ?
Led to STS program
I pretty sure that this was the early version of the space shuttle.
@@iiiDartsiii This was a research vehicle only - information gained from it's testing was incorporated directly into the Space Shuttle.
This is the rocket plane that Steve Austin (The Six Million Dollar Man) crashed, that got him his bionic arm, and legs... lol
for a future that never was, alas. yes, I know about sts, that bastard compromise spacecraft.
Is a mistake , wing are important. Longer wings less fuel uses to fly
HL-10 or "Спираль"(Spiral/Helix)???
ปัญหาของอากาศยานทรงนี้คือมันเกาะอากาศยากเราจะทำให้พื้นผิวของอากาศยานมีคุณสมบัติเหมือนกระดาษทรายที่ขัดไม้
11:25 Steve Austin Will be This man..
At the coat of 6 million dollars🤖
That is the True USA
Sound like lifting bodies will always be equated with the SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN...
And B52s!
Why cant this be my car 😢
.........And so you have the opening scene from the old six million dollar man.
What ever happened to THIS NASA?
*falling without wings
His name was John McKay... not Manke
_Former Pilots: John A. Manke | NASA_
www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/Biographies/Pilots/bd-dfrc-p009.html
Wings are for peasants. Lifting Bodies are where it's at!
Bless poor Bruce Peterson. At least the could rebuild him. They had the technology.
I see what you did there... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Colonel Steve Austin
si solo falto Steve Austin
なんかカワイイw
にしても流石アメリカって感じです🇺🇸
So this is what Chinese arithmetic looks like.
Every man in 50's talk like is doing Shatner
this is old but why has the technology not been use for space.
It was it was called the space shuttle
The Space Shuttle had wings
@@Emiliocab47 You're absolutely right, but the wings didn't work like normal aircraft wings. They were used to steer the orbiter down, but most of the lift of the vehicle came from lifting body aerodynamics, as well as from the delta wing effect with them big ol' vortices on the top of the wings. The space shuttle could not have flown without this lifting body research.
It is currently used in the X-37 program being flown by the Air Force.
@@samuelhopely4853 Yes the body would have provided lots of lift - despite it basically being box-shaped (?) - but they were pretty substantial sized wings! A lot of surface area and lift-inducing profile there!
Did Steve Austin crash in this craft?
Controlled fall would be more appropriate.
Better than *_UNCONTROLLED..._* 😝
Lifting Body my ass.
All you need for return from orbit...
@@kennethc.bishop7090 And what?
mig-105
Why do I feel like I'm the only gen-Z here
According to our statistics the most popular age amongst our viewers is 25-34 years old (around 30% of the total). So you're definitely not the only one :P
@@MechDesignTV oh thanks, I love statistics, good content by the way, keep it up
I'm weird
Hey! GenZ here!
@@ayushsharma8804 hi!
The 6 million dollar man flew that
I'm just ashamed at all the fat-shaming going on here about the fat lifting body, er, oh crap, now I did it too...
Anyone else think that these look like half a payload faring. Think this is the muskwatch answer to faring recovery.
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very smart american AIR FORCE / JPL / NASA / SPACECRAFT on this old movie time...
better than low classic ussr russia
Didn't Steve Austin crash it ? Lol !
OR, we could have eliminated all of this and just waited until an alien landed, mug him and take HIS already tested spaceship. Oh wait, we did!
Unfortunately we haven't, otherwise we'd have really good interplanetary engines and better re-entry. Plus the fact we've never deteced aliens
@@_Andrew2002 I detect some critical thinking going on in that statement! Lol!
@@darrenkastl8160 Oh know I'm fully aware of how ignorant the Original poster is, I'm just trying to downplay it for others scrolling past who fall down the rabbit hole of lies and ignorance
So fat people can fly without wings?
The fake space
the stupid people
d3d74 Your brain is the only thing that's fake around here.
That coffee looked weak.