The M2-F1, NASA's "Flying Bathtub."
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2023
- In its 64 years of existence, NASA has tested some truly innovative and inspiring ideas. None, perhaps, were more radically weird than the wingless “flying bathtub,” towed by a hopped up Pontiac Catalina. It was a little remembered low-budget program in a time when NASA and the entire idea of space travel was radically different than what we see today- a time when pure engineering enthusiasm could make a bathtub fly.
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My uncle Ted worked for Ames in the late 60's and when i visited him in 1969 he was gracious enough to give several wind tunnel models, including an Apollo command capsule and a lifting body. I have them right now on my shelf in front of me. California in the 1960's was a marvelous place.
Those are worth a small fortune
Your Uncle knew you had an appreciation for something so incredibly special in his own life, and knew he could entrust them to you. May your family never fail to treasure that which affected your Uncle’s life in such an intricate way. 👍🏼
Sweet Jesus! From someone who is absolutely obsessed with the subject, I would have killed to have a day or two talking with him and learning what I can. To have actual artifacts from this program is like a Holy Grail. You're a lucky man, my friend.
You need to get in touch with Mr. Mike Machat, an aviation artist and historian with his own highly regarded YT channel, "Celebrating Aviation With Mike Machat". This would make an interesting episode.
Amazing piece's
I would liked to have had him as a history teacher. He's never boring!
He IS your history teacher
The problem with many K - 12 schools is the reliance on mindless memorization of minute easy to test for details like dates / places rather than the aura of what happened.
If only schools followed the THG format by giving students broad , time limited exposure to topics. Every few weeks the assignment would be to pick a topic the student is interested in and do further research for a short discussion. While this might be more difficult to test for, the outcome would be far better for the student.
This would kind of follow the 3M 15 % rule.
if he would be boring, then he would make a good geology teacher
Great video. FYI...the new lifting body vehicle by Sierra Nevada is called "Dreamchaser", not "Dreamcatcher". They iterated an old Soviet design known as the Mig 105.
I was waiting for the Steve Austin reference, you don't disappoint! There was also a similar Boeing project called Dyna-Soar that was cancelled before the first flight. The X-37B has made several flights to space and landed autonomously. I'm waiting for the Dream Chaser to make orbit soon.
It's looking like Dream Chaser has been pushed back to Dec 2023 for its demo CRS flight. It's unknown if Vulcan Centaur will do a dummy payload for its 2nd certification flight or wait until Dream Chaser flies. The Vulcan Centaur is currently scheduled for May the Fourth, if testing continues to go well.
Pitch is out! I can't hold altitude! She's breaking up, she's breaking up!
"We can rebuild it, make it better than before!" 👍
Caught the reference, too. I've always wondered, if they remade the TV series today, if they would have to rename it. $6 million doesn't go as far today as it did 50 years ago.
Some years ago (1980’s maybe) I was driving around Moffett Field/Ames and saw a white shape I recognized as what I knew as a Dyna-Soar. It was probably a test shape for wind tunnel testing. It’s great to have more of the backstory from the always interesting History Guy.
Like many my age I was fascinated by The Six Million Dollar Man and was always amazed by the crash scene in the opening. Years later I looked it up and learned about lifting bodies. Several of them were made with different body styles but the M2-F1 in this video was probably the most well-known.
Of all the re-runs available, I'm surprised that The six million dollar man has not been streamed for us old boys lol.
All the TV movies and all 5 seasons are on Peacock
@@kevinmacdougall6665 Really? Cool!
@TgWags Yep plus they're all available on DVD and Blu Ray now with great Bonus Features
I wish I had known that you were doing a video on the M2-F1. My father conducted the restoration of the vehicle in the 90s. I could have arranged for you to speak with him!
It is really cool to have an episode so closely tied to my childhood, Dale Reed was a close family friend that I spent many weekends flying model airplanes with. I also knew the Bikles as a child, but only just remember them. There was a large group of NASA people that vacations together at Pismo beach every summer and Mr. and Mrs. Bikle looked after my brother and I now and them.
Did you ever meet my grandfather, Vic Horton?
The Apollo and Gemini capsules did have some steering capability. The center of mass was deliberately offset from the center of lift (and the capsules did have some lift). They could roll the spacecraft to change the relationship between the two, letting them move the touchdown point uprange or downrange and having a small cross-range capability.
BRAVO!! One of your best episodes ever. For its obscurity, rareness and humor. And of course, there is tragedy involved too. An absolute shame that Mr. Bickle's individualism, creativity and willingness to take professional risk is extinct. We are the worse for its absence.
Those risk-taking qualities are not extinct - they have simply moved into the private sector, SpaceX being perhaps the prime example.
My father was one of the supervisors of the camera range during the early testing of the lifting body tests.
Probably one of the best (theatrical) depictions of this type of craft was in the 1969 movie "Marooned" staring Gene Hackman, James Franciscus, Gregory Peck among others. (Great cast) where the vehicle was used to rescue an Apollo crew from being stranded or "Marooned" in space. I got to see that film in the movies as a kid. I was absolutely hooked on the space program at that point!
Then you'll love Plan 9 from Outer Space.
Listed as one of the worst movies of all time.
I forgot about that..launched through the eye of a hurricane. Yes, great movie.
@@thisismagacountry1318 "you people of earth are idiots!" love that movie Tim Burton recreated all the scenes from Plan 9 in 'Ed Wood'
Great account. Two gaffes: The Space Shuttle leverages some lifting-body tech but isn't a true one. And the Sierra Space lifting body spaceplane was mispronounced as "Dream Catcher" when its name is the "Dream Chaser."
My father and our family flew sailplanes at El Mirage airport. I was 7 or 8 years old and I remember Paul Bickel, as a sailplane pilot and Gus Briegleb, and family building the m2 in the hanger at El Mirage airport. I saw the M2 at the museum in July of 2021. I was told the Pontiac is being restored. Thanks for the memories.
Thanks so much for this episode. The story of the M2- F1 is one of my favorites. Interestingly, the team worked in a corner of a hanger blocked off with tarps and a sign reading "Wrights Bicycle Shop". BTW I have the same shuttle astronaut as you in my collection, as well as a copy of Reeds book.
The "6-Million Dollar Man" reference gave me a chuckle.
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You are the coolest history teacher ever. The fact that they used a Pontiac makes me so happy
As the daughter of a NASA aerospace engineer who retired after 30 years with NASA in 1988, I appreciated the nod to the ingenuous, innovative and daring men and women who pursued this idea. Thank you for giving them the spotlight!
Unfortunately we are now firmly in a “risk adverse” society. There are just too many lawyers. I was once asked if I wanted to be a lawyer, I said “No, my parents were married.”
Cool flying bathtub and all but the Pontiac Catalina stole the show for me. I think my new dream car is one that has towed a spaceship.
As a lover of aviation the lifting body is fascinating..you know it works simply by watching it but part of my brain still says" wait a minute" lol
I was in grade school in the 1960s and saw a film during science class about this aircraft featuring the convertible towing it into flight. I had no idea so much effort went into the details of souping up the car to get the horsepower it needed. In the film it looked like just a regular car on a Sunday drive. As always with the history guy, I think I know everything about a subject until the history guy shows me that I really had no idea!😂
Great video as always History Guy! I enjoy studying the X-15, the flying bathtub & all experimental projects that took us into space, the moon & to the space shuttles.
Marvelous episode! Add this to the sadly long list of inspired innovations that most reckon could not happen now. But every field from science to the arts has these periodic windows when remarkable advances can happen. What the aviation writer Richard Bach used to call, "running from safety."
My Father helped build the Muroc Maru Wooden Japanese Target Cruiser, and the U. S Navy Radar Training Ship there at Lake Muroc. In the 1950s he worked on Guided Missile , Drone and Ejection Seat 💺 Projects there. The Airmen and Civilian Contractors used to Race Hot Rods and Motorcycles there as well.
I remember reading about the Lifting Body project in Air & Space magazine as a kid, it always stuck with me as one of the most brilliant and improbable ideas. This shoestring lark of a side project eventually contributed the lion's share of data needed to build the Space Shuttle.
The later lifting body aircraft I believe were also tested in western Utah, out of the same field in Wendover, NV where the B-29 crews trained to drop the first atomic weapons.
14:13 You mention the “cutting edge” Dream Chaser lifting body, but it is in fact very closely based on a mid 1960s design from the Soviet lifting body program.
I always like this thought experiment: In 2023 We are now as far away in years from 1962 as 1962 was from 1903 when the Wright brothers first achieved powered flight. In 1962 the still “futuristic” looking Lockheed A-12 Mach 3+ reconnaissance aircraft flew for the first time!
no the americans had enough data on the lifting body the dream chaser has use info from shuttle and various nasa lifting bodies created in 1960s after the flying bathtib
Thanks History Guy! Was fortunate enough to be stationed at Edwards in the mid 70s. Our group supplied NASA with radar, photographic, theodolite data for the X-24B, the last of the experimental lifting bodies. The X-24B's approach was shockingly steep and that brought to mind how ballsy and skilled those pilots were. Little known fact: Our group's video IS the crash sequence for the six million dollar man. Of course hearing the real understated audio from our tapes contrasted sharply from the "Hollywood" overstated version...
As an MP on Camp Foster, I pulled over someone driving a recreation of Kit from Knight Rider. We are just curious about these cars, people!
Doing something that’s never been done before…that sums it up beautifully! Great video as always History Guy!
It is what Elon Musk dotes on. hence landing rockets for reuse, and building Starship SuperHeavy boosters.
I was a fueler in the USAF at Edwards in the early 70's I fueled the B52 that carried the next generation of the lifting body many times. It was amazing to se this really small test craft land at something like 320 MPH, with no chance of a "go around". Talk about having the right stuff!
You said "Dream Catcher"... LOL at 4:11, that's the "Dream Chaser" made by Sierra Space. Great video... thank you!! Under construction at its Colorado headquarters and expected to launch in 2023 on the first of a series of NASA missions to the International Space Station, Dream Chaser can safely carry cargo - and eventually crew - to on-orbit destinations, returning to land on compatible commercial airport runways worldwide.
AS an US Army officer in the early 70's I was assigned to NASA Flight Research Center at Edwards AFB in the flight simulation group. One of my favorite things to do was to watch the M2-F2 test flights. They would drop it from a B52 at 40,000 feet and it rocket itself to 80,000 feet. Four minutes later it would be landing on the dry lake bed. Bruce Peterson no longer flew jets for NASA after his accident. He was Project Manager on the first Digital Fly By Wire airplane. A project that I worked on for my time there. One thing that you did not mention was that Paul Bikle was an accomplished glider pilot. For 25 years he held the record for the highest altitude in an unpiloted sail plane (46267 feet). This may have encouraged him sponsor the M2-F1 project.
“She’s breaking up! She’s breaking up!” First thing I thought of when I saw today’s episode. 😆
They should teach History like you do in our schools my friend. God Bless ya.
Great retrospective as usual. I really enjoy your posts. Small correction - Sierra Nevada’s craft is the Dream Chaser not Dream Catcher and the cargo version is set to fly this year. They are planning a manned version to fly later.
Science, engineering, a strong economy and brave unselfish hard working citizens is what made America great.
Professor Geiger.... We really appreciate when you make the snarky, like, he was built devices 😅
You really make history fun. Thank you
Great job history guy, the lifting body is one of my favourite.
A great look back at a wonderful part of space exploration history. Made all the more relevant by the new craft being developed today. Thank you!
Omg, I was hoping for a Steve Austin reference, but wasn’t sure it would happen. You made my day! 😃👍
Another well-versed episode from whatever that guys name is, oh yeah, The History Guy
It was a fascinating aircraft and an incredibly important step forward in lifting body vehicles in air and space.
I remember researching this project when I was designing a space plane. There were books about it, but I was focused on the NASA Engineering and Test Reports, so I never got around to reading them. This is why I love these stories, your channel, but channels like it. Filling out the background of things I know about, and covering things I've never heard of.
Thank you. 👍
My grandfather, Vic Horton, was the project leader on the M2-F1, having been selected for the job by Dale Reed and FRC director, Paul Bikle.
The Flying Bathtub (M2-F1) was the stuff of dreams in my 8 year old mind back in 1963..........
shivering black bell thumbs up! I have been trying to watch at least 3 episodes a week of current and older! so glad I found this channel.
Ty from a fellow educator
Bet this guy was the best teacher hundreds of kids ever had
again Ty sir
Back in the early 60s, my dad was a project manager at Boeing in Seattle on a project called "Dyna Soar". This was the original project for the Space Shuttle and this aircraft. In 1966 the miliary dropped the funding, my dad was laid off, and we moved to California where he started working for Lockheed
The aircraft seen crashing in the "Six Million Dollar Man's" opening sequence was an M2-F2, a "lifting body configuration" built by Northrop.
Great shout out to my favorite TV show as a kid...SMDM
Excellent retelling of forgotten history events. I recently remarked how the "flying bathtub" concept was being reconsidered and I'm pleased to see that I'm not the only one who remembers our dreams of the future that began in past.
Everything about this channel is great... the research, the presentation, the accompanying photos and videos, and, of course, the History Guys' fantastic oratory skills. If you want to learn something new every day, this is wonderful place to do it!
When learning to fly a plane, you gain a feeling for how wings give you lift, they keep you aloft and not crashing in to the ground. So when I imaging plying a plane with no wing, I get a falling feeling in the pit of my stomach. Figuring out how to get lift without wings? A freaking miracle!
I was going to point out that fact about Steve Austin. Good job, THG.
Having almost 50 years of Radio Control experience in designing and flying normal and weird aircraft I can appreciate what the designers and builders of the flying bathtub did. At the local flying field the other fliers would kid me about all the weird aircraft I created.and flew. But they always knew I was the go to guy to look over and test new airplanes.
Speaking of lifting bodies, please do an episode on the combination airship & lifting body prototype Aereon 26, as lovingly depicted in John McPhee's short book "The Deltoid Pumpkin Seed". It is quite a compelling story of opportunities lost which definitely deserves to be remembered. The most successful and last of their working prototypes resides in a tiny Air Victory Museum a few miles from here. Had they been successful in other ways the plan was to build gigantic versions of it which would have changed both air & ground transportation forever.
Speaking of lifting bodies,I want a video about the monkey raids on villages in India. Monkey history please!
@@hongo3870 Monkey raids... lifting bodies...ouch. More than that. More than just ouch. Children probably were involved. A grown man would pee then run the best they could. Not at the monkey either, away from them. While all peeing. I'm guessing about how it might be though. Thankfully.
I fed a wild caged monkey a few times at age 11 back in the late 60's. Every time I got close with the pealed bananas his long arm exploded from the bars of his tiny cage and snatched it from my hand before I could even see it. It was a strong arm, I could tell that much. Like young Mike Tyson. Not old rapist Mike Tyson. Free that monkey and multiply it, then have it raid my town and I'd more than forget I had a bladder.
I agree with you. Yes, I'd too would enjoy a bit of that history that should be remembered, or at least recalled while remembering some other historic trauma. Thanks Hongo. Dang if that don't kinda sound like a monkey's name right there! "Hongo, wanna banana?" Forgive me please, and hello from Maine. That was just me being "I Bee Fun Knee", which I also honestly UA-cam 2nd channel am. Thanks for that decent idea you shared. I hope that it does happen.
I remember back in the late '60's seeing a variety of models lying around outside of the Ames wind tunnel, including one in the shape of the "bathtub". It was only about 6-10 feet long, but definitly that shape.
Great video, but the Space Shuttle is not a lifting body, it's a conventional fuselage with a cranked delta wing. Some of the alternate designs for STS were lifting bodies, though.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode learning of the origins of this lifting body you always bring a more complete understanding to your topics.
Before "The Six Million Dollar Man," the 1969 sci-fi movie "Marooned" showed a lifting body spacecraft, called the X-RV, being used to rescue the stranded astronauts. But that lifting body was fictional, probably based on some aerospace proof of concept from the 1960s.
I'd heard of the flying bathtub, but not the government owned hot-rod! That made me smile!
Liked this. Please, more about space travel and NASA
Not dream catcher. It's the dream chaser, written on the side of the craft in the picture when the mistake was made in the voice over! It's a nice little ship that is supposed to take off for the first time this year.
My favorite was The Dyna-Soar program (System 464L), initiated on October 10, 1957, took three separate, but related studies on manned, hypersonic weapons and reconnaissance systems (Hywards (SR-131), Bomi/Brass Bell (SR-12) and Robo (SR-126)) and merged them into a single, three-phased program. The research conducted, knowledge gained and the technological advances made during the course of program (1957-1963), would be applied to the X-15 test program, both of which would help guide later experimental test vehicles like the X-40 and X-37 as well as the development of the Space Shuttle orbiter.
I know I read about the flying bathtub at some point, but I don't recall having ever seen more than a black and white photo of it. There are so many of these things that I was interested in as a kid, but forgot about as I got older...thanks for reminding me that those things are still out there to be learned about. There are other channels that talk about these things, but many of them are dull and uninteresting--your videos always pull me in, and I don't notice the time going by.
That episode was phenomenal!!!!!! You could have made another episode just on that Pontiac!!!! AWESOME!!!!!
First thing: if anyone thinks that NASA engineers and hot-rodders don't overlap- you have never met either one. I'll bet that every NASA dude wanted a spin in that Pontiac Catalina. 140 mph while towing?! R U kidding me?
Second: the detail the THG offers and the characters involved really bring home one of his final thoughts. This sort of WAG experimentation has evaporated. Why are Americans married to the paycheck and the retirement benefits, that they think they can't do anything important or helpful?
I remember reading about lifting bodies in a British magazine called Boys Own Paper. A rather weird holdover from The Age of The British Empire.
Thank you. I look forward to gaining new knowledge. You provide what I would never have gotten in school. Keep up the good work. Again thank you.
Feeding the algorithm…. Love this story…. Love the delivery
Dream chaser, not dream catcher.
Excellent video, and even has some info in it I didn't know.
14:10 "Dream Catcher"? Caught a boo-boo! GREAT video as always, sir! Thank you.
Thank you for making this channel Mr Guy. You are quite likely the coolest guy on the planet! 💖
Peter k
I was working at Boeing in 1959 on Bomarc and remember a very short lived program called Dana Soar a lifting body design
later dubbed the x-20 Space plane for the Air Force. The project lasted from November 1959 till it was canceled December 1963.
Ok.... Now I MUST see this Pontiac when it's restored! What a cool story!
You mentioned the P-59 toward the beginning of this video. I did a research paper in high school on the history and development of the jet fighter. In doing my research for that paper, I ran across a hilarious story involving the P-59. Of course when testing of the P-59 first began, it was shrouded in secrecy and conducted at what is now Edwards AFB. So the story goes that one day, an Army Air Corps pilot stationed at the nearby USAAF barracks returned from logging some hours in his fighter and told a fantastic story. Apparently this pilot, who was not known for being a very truthful guy, came back to the barracks and told his fellow pilots that he had been out flying when he was passed by an aircraft with no propeller being flown by a gorilla smoking cigar. Of course, his fellow pilots laughed at him and passed it off as just another one of his ridiculous stories. However, it turns out he was actually telling the whole truth on this occasion. What he saw was the P-59 being flown by its chief test pilot (whose name I forget. I think it was Jack something), who enjoyed dressing up in gorilla costumes and also enjoyed smoking cigars. So on this particular day, the test pilot had gone up in the top secret jet wearing his gorilla costume and was smoking a cigar in the cockpit when he was spotted by a passing USAAF pilot. The test pilot probably figured he'd get away with it because even if someone did see him doing this and report it, no one would believe them.
"Hey, watcha doing with the government hotrod?"
"Calibrating"
"Sure... don't crash it we've only got one."
They built their own early version of the Pontiac G.T.O. Great video. Thanks for posting
Saw a few "lifting bodies" as they called them at Edwards AFB in a hangar about 1971. I was in ROTC and we were on a tour. Very cool. You don't ever hear about them.
Interesting. This was just so interesting and relaxing. Reminds me of the TV show “Sunday Morning” back in the day.
Dad helped build the XP-59 and the Y Jobs. They put wooden Propellers to disguise them from Spies on the Nose! He worked on Bells 🔔 early Helicopters too. The Helicopters were developed in a Barn in Pennsylvania.
NASA was experimenting what is called a "lifting body" aircraft. Little or no wings, the shape of the body provided the lift.
Perfected in the opening sequence of Start Trek Enterprise when you see one refueling in orbit.
As always, that was an incredible history lesson and video. I was born in 1958 and grew up in the 60s and 70s. I was always amazed and enthusiastic about space travel. In that time I built many models of spacecraft and aircraft. One of those I remember being called the Dyna lifting body. Of course, every kid growing up in the 60s dreamed of being an astronaut but unfortunately that dream did not come to a realization for me me. But I still had a successful career and now am enjoying retirement.
Excellent coverage of a cutting edge test program. I really enjoyed seeing Bruce Peterson's picture near the end. I worked with him years later on the B2 program where he was a system safety engineer. Sadly he passed away shortly after his retirement from that program.
I'll probably be the only one pointing this out within the fascinating content and impeccable presentation. The cop detained an innocent driver to satisfy his own curiosity. It was a 4th amendment seizure w/o reasonable articulable suspicion, and then the driver good naturedly spills the beans on the entire project. Simpler times back then. With this anecdote, one can trace the modern LEOs contemptuous attitude towards citizenry all the way back to that curious cop from the 1960s.
big fan of lifting body aircrafts, they look like cute scifi starships.
Fantastic❗️absolutely astounding❗️
Once again the history guy,
home run, out of the park...
grand slam, even a hot rod‼️®️™️
Wow 🔥🔥🔥
(and the 6 Million Dollar Man)
Bruce Peterson lost his eye because of the crash. To a staph infection in the hospital afterwards. I met him at a party given by my uncle at my grandmother's house near Quartz Hill in the late 60's.
A deep dive on Muroc would be cool, as it has a broad aviation AND land speed racing history.
The American automotive performance aftermarket was basically launched in response to post WWII racing activities there.
Great episode. Thank you for the nod to Steve Austin as well. I was a young teenager when that show came out and got me totally hooked on the lifting body program. Read as much as I could find on them. Keep episodes like this coming HG!
Really appreciate stories like these. Thank you History Guy.
Outstanding as usual. Love this channel.
It might be worth noting that Paul Bikle held the gliding world records for both absolute altitude (46,269 ft) and altitude gained (42,305 ft) from 1961 until 1986. Towing behind a car off nearby Rosamond Dry Lake was a common way to launch a glider. So from Bikle's point of view, it was probably just a scaling up of things he and the local soaring pilots (including Gus Briegleb over at El Mirage) already knew how to do.
Those little planes are super cute! :D
My dad work for NASA at Edwards Air Force Base in the 60’s and 70’s until he retired in the early 80’s. We got to see lots of really cool and amazing stuff.
It is likely our dads knew each other. My dad(Richard ‘Dick’ Fischer) worked at Edwards (NASA) from 1965 until about 1980 when he transferred over to space shuttle.
@@BrianSFischer very possible my dads title was experimental electronic technician. My dads name was Jerry(Gerald)Perry. It is funny how sonic booms and rocket engine testing was everyday occurrence.
Great vid! I ALWAYS enjoy your content.
7:50 Go Bertha! Go Harriet! You girl did a great thing!😍
It's worth remembering that old saw that the fastest way to stop a reaction is with the addition of Administratium 99. Your observation that the US has changed in such a way that something like this couldn't be done today. Ineffably sad, but true.
From the president of 3M, William McKnight , in 1948
“Mistakes will be made,” McKnight wrote. “But if a person is essentially right, the mistakes he or she makes are not as serious in the long run as the mistakes management will make if it undertakes to tell those in authority exactly how they must do their jobs.”
“Management that is destructively critical when mistakes are made kills initiative. And it's essential that we have many people with initiative if we are to continue to grow.”
Always loved the story of the "Flying Bathtub", thanks for providing another great look at this wonderful piece of NASA and aviation history. Bravo!