Alien 3 and the AIDS Crisis

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  • @noelienoelie8425
    @noelienoelie8425 2 роки тому +81

    Sooo my father was a heroin addict, he got aids from sharing the spike. He died the tail end of 96. We watched this in the Savoy cinema on O'connol Street when it came out I was 11 at the time.
    He said it was the closest thing to an aids induced fever dream he had ever seen.
    I said it was trash (expecting Alien 2.5) he said "just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad". I've kept this lesson close with me.
    As I've gotten older I've come to appreciate Alien 3 more and more. It's aesthetic is on par with or even beats the previous outings.
    I love Alien 3!

    • @alexandrumircea
      @alexandrumircea 2 роки тому +13

      May he rest in peace.

    • @billyjesus5442
      @billyjesus5442 2 роки тому +6

      no it doesnt beat the previous ones, thats madness settling in.

    • @CoercedJab
      @CoercedJab Рік тому +2

      Lmao beats the other ones? Sounds like you over compensated

    • @TrevorAWilliams
      @TrevorAWilliams Рік тому +12

      "Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad." - powerful words from your father.

  • @zactron1997
    @zactron1997 2 роки тому +188

    Who knows if it was intentional, but Alien 3 is absolutely an underappreciated entry in the franchise, and this is another example of the power of world building and thematics.

    • @moisturisedgnome1181
      @moisturisedgnome1181 2 роки тому +7

      The extended version definitely

    • @MetalsirenIXI
      @MetalsirenIXI 2 роки тому +18

      Aside from people being butt hurt about Hicks dying, I dont even know why people didn't like Alien 3. Without weapons it made every encounter with the alien more tense and the chases through the hallways were the stuff of nightmares.

    • @sierraboney1394
      @sierraboney1394 2 роки тому +7

      @@MetalsirenIXI I always liked Alien 3, I thought it was a good ending to the trilogy, and I thought that Elliot Goldenthal's soundtrack was amazing, certainly on par quality wise with James Horner's Aliens soundtrack. I could never really understand why Alien 3 got so much flack. As you say, for whatever reason people were annoyed about Hicks and Newt dying, which James Cameron acknowledged when talking on the Aliens DVD commentary about Alien 3, but he also said that he agrees you have to make the story and the film your own. I remember one of the producers (might have been David Giler) saying he said one reviewer's problem with it was that there were "Too many English (or British) guys in it" which is a really odd reason for disliking it. It's like me saying there's too many Americans in it, which sounds equally strange. Also considering it's in the future why wouldn't there be people from all countries in a prison on another planet? I mean, considering it was pretty much all filmed in the UK, it stands to reason that there might be a few British actors in it!

    • @moisturisedgnome1181
      @moisturisedgnome1181 2 роки тому +4

      @Puttin in Werk yeah, Hicks _and_ Newt died.. do you not remember how much effort went into getting them off planet alive?! Iirc it was thought at the time to be just really lazy writing to say they never made it. Of course it wouldn't have been the same without the original actors so there's that

    • @CordeliaWagner
      @CordeliaWagner 2 роки тому +6

      Kill your darlings. Hicks and Ripley = romance and plus Newt = parents.
      The last things I care about in the Alien Universe.
      It was bold to kill them and I totally appreciate it.
      It intensifies Ripley's suffering, loosing everything all over again. That makes the ending soooo much more epic when she frees herself from that misery.
      I love it!

  • @BC_J0MBI
    @BC_J0MBI 2 роки тому +94

    You always seem to surprise me with new ways to view the movies I've watched more times than I can count. I appreciate all the work you do with the series.

    • @patricklee7241
      @patricklee7241 2 роки тому

      Same. But this isn't a new theory. Right after coming out the theater 30 years ago people were already talking about AIDS and Alien 3.

    • @mariodrv
      @mariodrv 2 роки тому +1

      You should watch Rob Agers channel "Collative Learning".

    • @Monty-or9sb
      @Monty-or9sb 2 роки тому

      I very agree with your words, J0MBI. Well said, hombre.

    • @saberhap2639
      @saberhap2639 2 роки тому

      a gay way to look at it

    • @JAWS-qj1rj
      @JAWS-qj1rj 8 місяців тому

      ​@@patricklee7241They were overthinking it. Alien 3 has no connection what so ever to AIDS!😅

  • @josephmassaro
    @josephmassaro 2 роки тому +28

    I've always held the belief that any work of art is never finished. It's completed over and over again every time someone interacts with it. The artist, musician or author may have had a specific idea in mind, but each person exposed to it has their own interpretation; even if that interpretation is only slightly different than another person's interpretation.

    • @nicholasdickens2801
      @nicholasdickens2801 2 роки тому

      Very true.

    • @Eye_Of_Odin978
      @Eye_Of_Odin978 Рік тому

      Very insightful. I never actually thought of it that way, but I guess you're right.
      Every single time someone new interacts with a piece of art, they form their own opinions and outlook on it, thus creating a new perspective.
      Excellent analysis, Joseph.

  • @CreedofDarkness
    @CreedofDarkness 2 роки тому +26

    The best movies always have multiple things going on in them. On screen events are the most prominent of course, but then there is subtext then potential interpretations. A good movie entertains, a great movie can spark a conversation about thoughts and ideas. Alien 3 having been tied to AIDS and HIV in subtext doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Love the content as always my friend!

  • @emeraldcelestial1058
    @emeraldcelestial1058 2 роки тому +102

    I like Alien3 its just so horrible and sad and a feeling of intense desperation permeates the entire movie, its the more grim and the saddest of the original four movies, massively underrated.

    • @evernevermore-ci2so
      @evernevermore-ci2so 2 роки тому +7

      Completely agree. And I think that depressing bleakness is why a lot of people don't like it. I personally love it. Especially the Assembly Cut.

    • @wesleywarsmith1113
      @wesleywarsmith1113 2 роки тому +5

      That was the point and it works in my opinion . This chapter was meant to be PURE melancholy. No happiness, no happy ending. To show that no matter how hard Ripley faught, the Aliens would win eventually. It was meant to close it out. Haters hate that Hicks and Newt were gone but they had to be in order for the story to work. They would have been a distraction. ALIEN 3 is awesome in how sad it is. I actually cried the first time I saw it as a young teen.

    • @emeraldcelestial1058
      @emeraldcelestial1058 2 роки тому +2

      @@wesleywarsmith1113 I think Paul McGann's script could be a whole lot better and the entire sombre tone could have been carried in a much better way but for better or worse it's what we got. Imo it's not about the 'Alien' winning, it's just the end of the crew of the Nostromo. No one won. Only the cat survived. Corporations killed their best crew for a shot at higher profits and they lost. But they didn't lose as much as their expendable crew.
      On a side note, I kinda think Resurrections redeems 3 and is kinda necessary and complex AND flawed in its own way. For me, the relationship between clone Ripley and Call is one of the most interesting friendships in all of sci-fi. Even if everyone hates it, the ragtag crew and Ripley's clone is one of the best cast of all time, and they all shine so bright. It is the Finnigan's wake to Ellen Ripley's Odyssey. Or at least, it is a soothing addendum to a brutal series of movies that in some way I think some of us needed. I know I did.

    • @HumanHamCube
      @HumanHamCube 2 роки тому +8

      It's a movie studios would NEVER make today. It's anti franchise. It's not socially safe. It's bold. It's fairly free of callbacks and it definitely is It's own entity.

    • @evernevermore-ci2so
      @evernevermore-ci2so 2 роки тому +2

      @@wesleywarsmith1113 I think the only shred of hope the movie offered was Ripley kept the Company from getting the alien in her chest. She got the last word technically, even though she still had to die, she took the alien with her. Other than that it's just devestating and tragic all around.

  • @Gonganiubi
    @Gonganiubi 2 роки тому +32

    Alien 3 ages like wine, it’s the 3rd best film of the entire series and really holds up as an engaging watch.
    Importantly, it still fits with the original 2 more than anything else since.
    Hugely underrated

  • @Musikministeren
    @Musikministeren Рік тому +3

    Never ever have i ever seen any conection between Aliens and Aids - this is maybe the biggest stretch i have ever seen...

  • @MrMoorkey
    @MrMoorkey 2 роки тому +7

    Alien3 is a favourite of mine. It is dark, nihilistic, and utterly horrifying. It explores infection, desperation and the inevitable darkness that will take us all in a visceral way...and I would say it ABSOLUTELY has allegorical overtones for AIDS. The shaven heads, the outcasts being infected, Ripley being dehumanised, infected and destroyed from the inside out.
    Once again, you have hit it on the head and done one of my favourite films a massive service.

  • @ouranos0101
    @ouranos0101 7 місяців тому +1

    Alien3 is an incredible movie that has aged better than all other chapters, but most importantly Alien3 is IMO the perfect conclusion to the best sci-fi trilogy of all time. The story of Ellen Ripley could not have ended better and more true to the underlying themes set by Alien.

  • @endurance_pilot
    @endurance_pilot Рік тому +6

    Alien 3 is my favourite of the franchise, cause the movie is very dark and disturbing...
    And the fact that this movie was Fincher's cinema debut, makes it even better ❤️

  • @KennethDPedersen
    @KennethDPedersen 2 роки тому +6

    This association between the film and the aids pandemic has been in my head for years, thanks for putting it in words

  • @josejavierarroyovasquez117
    @josejavierarroyovasquez117 2 роки тому +4

    Alien 3 is a misunderstood and underappreciated cinematic masterpiece and Mr. Alien Theory keep up the excellent work and I am a legit Vasquez and one last thing "Let's Rock" that very memorable line never gets old!

  • @foxhazhax4845
    @foxhazhax4845 2 роки тому +11

    The Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is truly a masterpiece, all the little bits of footage and dialogue being left in really makes the film feel whole and organic relative to the theatrical release.

    • @zaprese
      @zaprese 2 роки тому

      Just one shit removed that should have been left in though.

    • @foxhazhax4845
      @foxhazhax4845 2 роки тому

      @@zaprese Honestly I cant recall what you mean, remind me?

    • @foxhazhax4845
      @foxhazhax4845 2 роки тому

      @Jazzy White While I am indeed pleased with your good news, I must ask why you chose this specific thread to post to?

    • @squeeeb
      @squeeeb 2 роки тому +1

      It really is. The extra footage goes a long way. As I've gotten older, my appreciation for the film (despite its flaws) has grown. The soundtrack is so good too!

  • @PFinkoloTL87
    @PFinkoloTL87 2 роки тому +1

    6:10 The correct quote would be "no rubbers, no women, no guns, all we got here is s**t."

  • @nicholasdickens2801
    @nicholasdickens2801 2 роки тому +1

    It reminds me of The Thing in this regard: HIV/AIDS, cancers. Heck even Covid.

  • @jarnMod
    @jarnMod Рік тому +1

    I never see it that way. I see the 3rd as a big redemption arc for most of them.

  • @avielthealienfromplanetmex5679
    @avielthealienfromplanetmex5679 2 роки тому +3

    This is my first time hearing about this. This was a thoughtful and thought provoking episode. Thank you so very much for this. Have a safe and peaceful day.

  • @comradeviola2041
    @comradeviola2041 2 роки тому +4

    Interesting video, this sub-text had not occurred to me. This channel never ceases to amaze.

  • @slayerstenis
    @slayerstenis 2 роки тому +11

    It's Science Fiction,
    I can watch it any way I want.
    That is the power of Science Fiction.

    • @VashPlissken45
      @VashPlissken45 2 роки тому +2

      👏🏼

    • @Chef_Alpo
      @Chef_Alpo 2 роки тому +1

      You can make anything you want in your head.

    • @leviacronym6770
      @leviacronym6770 2 роки тому +1

      Well, captain obvious, that is true of any movie, song, book, artwork, etc. Some people are just curious to know what the creators intended. I come up with my own thoughts on things, but sometimes I like to see if they mesh up and if they don't, what the differing perspectives are. A lot of times, artists won't tell you what *they* were inspired by because they want you to draw from it how you will, so I get that. Watch it any way you want.

  • @ethanboyd6885
    @ethanboyd6885 2 роки тому +3

    I really like Alien 3.
    It was the type of movie that had to follow the action/horror powerhouse that is Aliens (2).

  • @Anamnesis
    @Anamnesis 2 роки тому +19

    I like the commentary by Ralph Brown about how each film is an allegory about the time in which it was made. Alien 3 could have been of a different nature had they gone with any of the other scripts. William Gibson's story was a very different allegory about the Cold War and I always thought of it as Rocky 4 in space, hehe. I'm keen to see what contemporary allegories they choose to run with in the new franchise installments.

    • @captnwinkle
      @captnwinkle 2 роки тому +1

      The aliens will be non binary trans lesbian grooming attack helicopters

    • @CordeliaWagner
      @CordeliaWagner 2 роки тому

      Prometheus was "go back to your christian beliefs" and it bombed because most people today aren't christians.

    • @user-kb8qw7dy4t
      @user-kb8qw7dy4t Рік тому

      The new franchise installments represent the Marvel-ization of Hollywood, with overused cartoonish CGI and convoluted expanded universes and crossovers.

  • @dukenudibranch6414
    @dukenudibranch6414 Рік тому +1

    We did an AIDS experiment in Biology class at KU. Only two people ended up not having AIDS after the test was over. Theoretical, of course.

  • @Anthony-gh5yu
    @Anthony-gh5yu Рік тому +2

    I love Alien 3 people always say it's the worst in the franchise but I think the worst Alien film is Resurrection

  • @leviacronym6770
    @leviacronym6770 2 роки тому +2

    The theory makes sense and it could be true. What I liked about Alien 3 was that Ripley could have just unalived herself. There was syringes, and probably drugs, she could have just ended it. But she didn't. She decided to fight, and to work as team with men society threw away and didn't care about. I think in some ways, she felt like she was one of them. Alone and outcast, and in many ways, she was. Ripley wanted to go out with a bang and to at least give these other outcasts a fighting chance. That was commendable of her. Ripley has been and always will be, one of my favorite scifi protagonists.
    Alien 3 is definitely an underrated movie and I think people pile so much hate on it is because it's not chilling like Alien and it's not thrilling like Aliens 2. It was just different. There was no guns, no real weapons, no Hicks or Newt, so those were the things people seemed to mostly care about from what I read. Don't get me wrong, I liked those things, too, but I still appreciate Alien 3 for what it was and still is. It may not be as good as Alien, or Aliens 2, but it's still good in my book and it definitely kills Alien Resurrection and all that Alien Vs. Predator cringe crap.

    • @younowhythatis6381
      @younowhythatis6381 Рік тому

      Unalived herself???why can't we all stick to language not made up in someone's politically correct mind?

  • @rodneykelly8768
    @rodneykelly8768 2 роки тому +6

    Though the film might be an "allegory," but I prefer to think of the story as having "applicability" to the AIDS crisis. An example of a film that became a comment on a social problem after being filmed is "Night of The Living Dead," (1968.) The film was not intended to be a comment on racism. The only reason that the film's protagonist was black, was because the actor, "Duane Jones," tested best for the part, (one of the few times that skin color had nothing to do with the decision.) It was not until after the film was finished that everyone saw the applicability.

    • @VashPlissken45
      @VashPlissken45 2 роки тому

      Excellent comment 👌🏼

    • @rodneykelly8768
      @rodneykelly8768 2 роки тому +1

      @@VashPlissken45 Leonidas-Thank You.

    • @VashPlissken45
      @VashPlissken45 2 роки тому +1

      @@rodneykelly8768 🍻

    • @fempilled
      @fempilled 2 роки тому

      Analyzing Night of the Living Dead through a critical lens about race casting is not that Duane Jones was selected to play the lead because he was Black, but precisely because he was cast regardless of his race in a film set for a 1968 audience. What is poignant is that Duane Jone’s race does not play a part in the script, his character, or the relationships between characters (although it can retroactively be read that way, it was not the intention). He is an every-day man and there’s nothing particularly special about him, compared to any other character. Contextually, Black leads in this time were relegated to blaxploitation movies, movies specifically about race, movies in which they are idealized, or their race in some way or other plays a part in the script and none of these things are true with Night of the Living Dead. What Romero has actually said:
      “Duane Jones was the best actor we met to play Ben. If there was a film with a Black actor in it, it usually had a racial theme, like 'The Defiant Ones.' Consciously I resisted writing new dialogue ‘cause he happens to be Black. We just shot the script. Perhaps 'Night of the Living Dead' is the first film to have a Black man playing the lead role regardless of, rather than because of, his race.”

  • @pk33
    @pk33 2 роки тому +7

    It's a nice theory but doesn't hold up for me. I doubt that if this was the film makers intent their solution would be to kill all the infected with fire.

  • @charaznable6597
    @charaznable6597 2 роки тому +14

    i actually never knew this and...ive watched this movie so many times....bought so many copies of it. i remember when the movie came out but i was very young. too young to watch ot when i did. gave me nightmares for weeks. didnt tell my parents because if i did theu wouldnt let me see another aliens movie for years. i was in 5th grade i believe at the time.

    • @jokertdk
      @jokertdk 2 роки тому +2

      I was in 5th grade back in 1992 as well. I remember an older cousin took me to see Alien 3 at the theater, even at a young age, and I thought it was fine, but it didn't leave the impression on me that Aliens did. Honestly, at the time, I was more of a Predator guy. As the "Aliens or Predator" question was pretty common whenever discussing one or the other at school. I did grow to love the Alien franchise though. I think it's definitely Alien that's the superior of the two franchises, but just try telling that to my 1992 self. lol

    • @crissyb00
      @crissyb00 Рік тому

      All you "know" is one you tubers opinion.
      Look at any period in history, and film makers were making movies inspired by what was in the news at the time. Doesn't mean it was about aids, only that, the writers and director capitalised on what is going on in your head at the time.

  • @gravelpit5680
    @gravelpit5680 2 роки тому +6

    Watching this with an open mind but although the narration and editing is topnotch as usual, I can't agree A3 was inspired or formed in any way with AIDS in mind. Interesting nonetheless but spreading an idea like this cant help a film that already struggles with its reputation. I really love A3, even more than the former films. I think its a strech to say its an allegory.

    • @CordeliaWagner
      @CordeliaWagner 2 роки тому

      How can a video that discusses possible allegories to Aids destroy this movies reputation?
      Aids is a disease. A cruel disease that causes a lot of suffering but you don't get it by watching this movie.
      People make allegories to cancer and nobody seems to care.

  • @TheOther644
    @TheOther644 2 роки тому +74

    I never once thought of AIDS when watching Alien 3, The Fly or The Thing. The bald heads in Alien 3 I always saw it as a prison and asylums thing do to with lice. But whether intentional or not it is a interesting take.

    • @highlander723
      @highlander723 2 роки тому +15

      Its a bit of a stretch

    • @Clay3613
      @Clay3613 2 роки тому +5

      The Fly is definitely about AIDS subconsciously.

    • @blueeyes666
      @blueeyes666 2 роки тому +1

      @@Clay3613 hm interesting take if you’re being serious and not trolling. How so? If I may ask I’m just curious and serious question.

    • @zzygyy
      @zzygyy 2 роки тому

      @@Clay3613 remake of a scifi flick from the 50s. AIDS AGENDA?? hmm 😒

    • @markkane8261
      @markkane8261 2 роки тому +2

      Blah blah blah, aids Russia 🇷🇺

  • @griffalo1013
    @griffalo1013 2 роки тому +10

    I think you can definitely read Alien 3 that way, though as I think you've alluded, a lot of Body Horror movies can be read that way.

    • @user-kb8qw7dy4t
      @user-kb8qw7dy4t Рік тому

      It's not just about body horror. It's about having a parasite inside you, infecting your blood and your DNA.

  • @logankerlee
    @logankerlee 2 роки тому +13

    Wow, this one's amazing. My mother currently has HIV. That's why I checked this one out initially, half expecting it to be either satire or something that I can't take seriously. Turned out to be just the opposite though! Your conclusions make sense and seem as though there's some actual weight to them.
    Thank you for making this video. It really helped me out tonight. I"m half tempted to show this to my mom but at the same time I'm not certain as to how she'd take it.

    • @caseygoddard
      @caseygoddard 2 роки тому +1

      I she is a fan of the Alien franchise, she might like it. If she doesn't really like the horror genre though it might not be for her.

    • @gamesthatiplay9083
      @gamesthatiplay9083 2 роки тому

      My friend's parents had a friend with HIV. It didn't go well for her. She sued the man that gave it to her. She won. The $1,800 victory got her $600 and didn't live to see it.

    • @Anw4rr10r
      @Anw4rr10r 9 місяців тому +1

      How is she doing?

  • @ironbaysqiureg4827
    @ironbaysqiureg4827 2 роки тому +2

    I'm with j r token i'm against the idea of allegory. It pollutes the story By limiting the scope of how far It It can go.
    Because I interpreted Alien 3 as a pro faith film. The most sinful of humanity Pray for redemption, and given a chance to redeem themselves by sacrificing their lives to stop a great evil that would wipe out all of humanity.
    Beautifully capting off a trilogy that goes from every man To hero to savior.

  • @m.pearce3273
    @m.pearce3273 2 роки тому +10

    I lost 300 best friends to Aids in Vancouver BC it affected me so much I moved to Montreal. I truly appreciate the handling of this very important topic and how it relates to Alien3

    • @scottcantdance804
      @scottcantdance804 2 роки тому +6

      300 best friends?
      It affected you so much that you moved to Montreal?
      I feel like you have a hidden reference or a joke in your comment and it's going over my head.

    • @woooooooo9061
      @woooooooo9061 2 роки тому

      You’re a real sick puppy.

    • @zaprese
      @zaprese 2 роки тому

      That’s a lot of best friends.

    • @TheRubberStudiosASMR
      @TheRubberStudiosASMR 2 роки тому

      Normally people have one

    • @brooklynkeith2877
      @brooklynkeith2877 Рік тому

      300 best friends ? I dont have 1 there all acquaintances. My family and my wife mean the most. Maybe you should try quality over quantity next time.

  • @daviddiaz529
    @daviddiaz529 2 роки тому +3

    This video is an example of the Invasion of the body snatchers effect. Most believe that the original film was an allegory for communism. The author, script writers, and director all came out to dispel that theory.

  • @seanholmes6791
    @seanholmes6791 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for making this video. Until now I had no idea of the comparisons between Alien3 and the AIDS epidemic. Very fascinating. And I for 1, love this film. It was the first of the Alien franchise that I watched as a 13 year old.

    • @CoercedJab
      @CoercedJab Рік тому

      I mean there’s no real evidence there is… this is a THEORY channel lol

  • @stevennavarra3209
    @stevennavarra3209 2 роки тому +2

    Has nobody read Morse's other book tittled, "everyone has AIDS"?

  • @stephenmartland-buck9590
    @stephenmartland-buck9590 Рік тому

    Love the channel! I originally downloaded your theatrical/extended cut comparisons for a long haul flight and they were all amazing. Now subscribed and slowly making my way through your back catalogue. Absolutely stellar content. Keep it up!

  • @beigebox1990
    @beigebox1990 2 роки тому +4

    I think Alien 3 makes more sense as a terminal cancer allegory, down to the bald Ripley and the stages of grief.
    Also, AIDS is overrepresented in the non-straight community, with more than 50% of the carriers of it and other STDs, despite being a smaller group of people.

  • @Traktorochskit
    @Traktorochskit 2 роки тому +1

    I think its also about religion. Hell and heaven is very prominent in the movie.

  • @kjtj397
    @kjtj397 2 роки тому +3

    12:50 dude really stretching that 😂🤣

  • @wormskull2454
    @wormskull2454 2 роки тому +15

    God Damn my dude, you constantly prove why you’re the best Alien channel on YT!

  • @nicholasdickens2801
    @nicholasdickens2801 2 роки тому +2

    Alien 3 deals with mortality better than the other films I feel.

  • @AdrianGarcia-ig1eh
    @AdrianGarcia-ig1eh Рік тому

    This theory breakdown video was sooo good!! Im truly blown away. Who's to say what was the film's intent or hidden message but you cant deny theres an underdog feel with this movie. On my first watch i was heartbroken with the quick turn around they did from Aliens' ending but it grew on me as the characters and performances really stood out to me. One of my favorite things about this movie was that it is a movie about survival and the strength of the human spirit along with the need for hope and belief in a higher power if thats your sort of thing. While I really appreciate this theory and am convinced it carries some weight in reality I feel it only reinforces my original thoughts. I wish more people would come around to this one.

  • @svendrury2477
    @svendrury2477 2 роки тому +1

    The prisoners were only outcast as that. They actually decided to stay when everyone else was moved to another installation. I think it's over thinking about it all tbh. Just enjoy the franchise

  • @infinightsky
    @infinightsky 2 роки тому

    You’ve gone to new heights on this upload brother

  • @PAUL-ow8gr
    @PAUL-ow8gr 2 роки тому +6

    Love the channel 🔥💯 always so informative 👏👍🔥

  • @jaywilliams8386
    @jaywilliams8386 2 роки тому

    These things concerning the films you've highlighted here I've thought about myself since I mythology is a hobby of mine. The forces in our lives that are out of our control, that are unseen and mysterious are frightening and we tell stories that reflect these deep fears. I love Alien 3 even though it wasn't popular. Great video.

  • @Horror_N_M3tal
    @Horror_N_M3tal 2 роки тому +5

    The Thing 1982 - The Fly 1986 -The Hidden 1987 all came out during the aids epidemic. And most people don't realize that the sci-fi/horror genre uses real-life situations within the context of the story. As recently I discovered that the first Alien movie from 1979 was about an issue that society still struggles to accept and that's sexual assault on men.

  • @heatrayzvideo3007
    @heatrayzvideo3007 2 роки тому +2

    A special thought going out to everyone who suffers with illnesses.

  • @robertbeckman2054
    @robertbeckman2054 2 роки тому +1

    AIDS is a terrible virus to get. Alien 3 is a terrible movie to watch.

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks, man! I've always enjoyed Alien 3, poignant allegory or not.

  • @dimifisher
    @dimifisher 2 роки тому +2

    I like alien 3, its the more realistic take on the future out of the three

  • @cog_in_the_machine4303
    @cog_in_the_machine4303 2 роки тому

    Very nice, another great video.
    Im a fan of yours since forever your vids make days better

  • @odiousmelodious2410
    @odiousmelodious2410 2 роки тому

    You've outdone yourself! This is next level Alien content!

  • @Montycat78
    @Montycat78 2 роки тому

    Just noticed 250k subscribers, well done, absolutely deserved!

  • @coffeeelk6364
    @coffeeelk6364 2 роки тому +2

    I’m definitely going to look at the film in a different way the next time I watch it. Quite interesting!

    • @JAWS-qj1rj
      @JAWS-qj1rj 8 місяців тому

      This is a stretch. You can connect it to absolutely anything if you read that deep into it. Alien 3 has absolutely nothing to do with AIDS any more than bami has anything to do with cancer😂

  • @CountZero78
    @CountZero78 2 роки тому +4

    Massive stretch with sixth form media student like analysis. This channel has jumped the shark...
    ...or to put in an Alien franchise context: gave birth to a Newborn.
    NEWSFLASH: Ralph Brown is not the writer of Alien3.

  • @ryansumner3662
    @ryansumner3662 2 роки тому +2

    Im doing a paper for my film class on Alien 3 too rn

  • @ammosophobia
    @ammosophobia 2 роки тому +1

    Should have released this on Dec 1st

  • @shainewhite2781
    @shainewhite2781 2 роки тому +15

    The Fly by David Cronenberg was also an allegory for AIDS as well being an allegory for cancer and the aging process.

    • @weilam03
      @weilam03 2 роки тому +5

      no, it was an allegory for scientific hubris

    • @gravelpit5680
      @gravelpit5680 2 роки тому +1

      Sorry but A3 is not an allegory to anything. Its a movie about a space monster on the loose in a Men's prison, period. Any other meaning ascribed to it is imaginative dribble

    • @weilam03
      @weilam03 2 роки тому

      @@gravelpit5680 even if, its still a pretty shit movie. they could've done so much more with the setting

    • @gravelpit5680
      @gravelpit5680 2 роки тому

      @@weilam03 A3 is better than:
      The Thing, Pandorum, Predator 2, Gravity, THX1138, Mission to Mars, older Star Trek films, countless B movies and hundreds of sci fi movies like Barbarella, Ice Pirates etc... Give A3 and David Fincher some credit. I prefer A3 to even newer films like The Martian, Life, Dune, Chronicles of Riddick and more. A3 is written, acted and directed wonderfully imho.

    • @Ninjersey1
      @Ninjersey1 2 роки тому +1

      @@gravelpit5680not better then predator 2

  • @iNINJAgamer
    @iNINJAgamer 2 роки тому +8

    I never knew that about this movie. Thanks for the info. I did notice the Ripley was a plague or virus to the prison/community.

    • @gamesthatiplay9083
      @gamesthatiplay9083 2 роки тому

      I too felt like Ellen was the plague that would disrupt their virtuous male purity. She survived the longest, and like a virus, she ceased to exist when the hosts died.

  • @riseagainstfb
    @riseagainstfb 2 роки тому

    I still remember being so stoked to go see this with my dad in theaters ... everything else they brought in from the 80s into the 90s ..had a feeling of ... rebirth .. fresh.. so I was not expecting anything less than terminator 2 but in alien 3 ...
    And I remember it like yesterday... that intro of the 20th century fox .. and in that last part of the intro of that signature tune ... and it has that extraordinary erie interruption,, and fade audio erily out...
    That feeling... was the feeling I had of or from the entire movie... yet it's my favorite part of 3 .. well that and when they plugged in bishop ..
    However him saying it's been with us the entire time ruined it as it was too open ended .. what he meant could be taken in so many different ways

  • @JasonFoxTheGreat
    @JasonFoxTheGreat 2 роки тому +1

    Post-Prometheus movies, Alien Resurrection, and AVP Requiem, I appreciate Alien 3 far more than I did as a kid. In many ways, it was the perfect bleak ending for the original Alien Saga.

  • @TheRubberStudiosASMR
    @TheRubberStudiosASMR 2 роки тому

    When it came out in 92 people were fearful of AIDS. I know I felt that way from seeing the film as kid and feeling this sense of death. AIDS or cancer.

  • @HumanHamCube
    @HumanHamCube 2 роки тому

    Alien 3 is the most complex emotionally tackles issues like: Animal Abuse, capital punishment, religion, R@*e, suicide, terminal illness, sacrifice, sudden loss of spouse and child, abandonment, corporate greed, and so much more. There's a lot to unpack in this movie and it does it without "putting you head through the f××××× wall." I wish the ideas were better articulated but its the one in the series I come back to seeing it as something deeper than delivered.

  • @dinocub1
    @dinocub1 Рік тому

    Absolutely hated this movie when I first saw it in the theater on first release. Bad CGI, the way they killed of Newt and Hicks within the first few minutes of the film (similar to Shaw after Prometheus)...WTF? However, this allegory I heard about a decade or so ago and made me fall in love with this film (whether intentional or not). I lived through the AIDS crisis in the 80's and early 90's where it seemed like I was losing a friend or an acquaintance every week or 2. So many incredible people....just gone. Thank you for this. Illustrates perfectly on how this film should be viewed.

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184
    @thereisnosanctuary6184 2 роки тому +2

    That's when the series got ill. So accurate. Dead by alien redirection. Desecrated grave by A Vs P.

  • @noelienoelie8425
    @noelienoelie8425 2 роки тому

    You forgot to mention the general aesthetic of the movie. Outside the prison(body) everything is swamped with genital lice the ocean(urine) is toxic.
    Inside everything is moist, even the air is damp, perfect for infectious viruses, everyone is sweating, sticky, sickly, the walls seem to sweat. The film has a ruddy colour to it like old dirty blood especially when they use torches.
    You could even imagine the claustrophobic long red hallways as veins and the prisoners and alien running up and down fighting in them as red and white (or in this case black) blood cells.
    The furnace at the end could be a representation of how people who die from aids usually pass on. It's not the aids that kills you it's the fever.

  • @Soldier4USA2005
    @Soldier4USA2005 2 роки тому +10

    Not to be rude, but this is the first time that I have heard of any relation between this movie and the AIDS epidemic. EVER. I've been watching these movies since I was a kid. I'm now 44.
    So either I'm having MASSIVE amnesia, or this is the biggest example of mental gymnastics I have seen in years.
    Correlation does not mean causation.

    • @23Revan84
      @23Revan84 2 роки тому +3

      Same here. 😐 I always felt the message was a Christian/Jesus type of message with Ripley.

    • @CordeliaWagner
      @CordeliaWagner 2 роки тому +1

      It's never meant that there is definetely a causation but there are things to consider like Sigourney Weaver being a producer and having lost a friend to AIDS.

    • @CordeliaWagner
      @CordeliaWagner 2 роки тому

      13:30 AIDS was sp prominant at this time that the topic could have subconciously emerged into the movie.
      You see McDonalds advertisements all weeks and than at sunday you think "I should have a ??? meal!"
      You think it comes out of nowhere. Imagine the creators of this movie saw all the stories about AIDS in the media, had friends and family members dying like Sigourney. That subconciously affects a person's decisions.

    • @Soldier4USA2005
      @Soldier4USA2005 2 роки тому +1

      @@CordeliaWagner I understand that sometimes public events influence art and such, but to have an entire movie revolving around it "subconsciously"?
      Nope.

    • @Soldier4USA2005
      @Soldier4USA2005 2 роки тому +1

      @@23Revan84 That is a much easier comparison to see, due to the way she died.
      Taking on the "pain" of suffering of others and blah blah.

  • @alfernandez9493
    @alfernandez9493 2 роки тому

    I remember, when alien ressurrection was released, reading an interview in a magazine with Sigourney that she says something like every alien movie is very different, alien 3 was very 90's with the aids and stuff. I hope i can find that magazine in my old pile

  • @Merlchar
    @Merlchar 2 роки тому +1

    I'm old enough to remember the irrational and fear-based reaction to an at-the-time scarcely understood virus, and all of the "experts" that lectured on TV and were ultimately dead wrong about everything. Good thing that never happened again...

    • @xxch4osxx
      @xxch4osxx 2 роки тому

      I catch your drift.... :)

    • @zzygyy
      @zzygyy 2 роки тому

      It was a ugly time. No one knew anything about it. Similar to covid 19 in 2020.

  • @tahustvedt
    @tahustvedt 2 роки тому +3

    The ox edit always bothered me. It makes the whole rest of the movie not make sense beacuse the alien is dog like. In the novel they at least portrayed the alien as a big brute since it came from an ox.

    • @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462
      @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 2 роки тому

      That and if it did come from the Ox, it would have resembled the Kenner Bull Alien Toy.

    • @tahustvedt
      @tahustvedt 2 роки тому

      @@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Yes, and the ox died long before the alien burst out, so it wouldn't have survived either since it needs a living host.

    • @Chef_Alpo
      @Chef_Alpo 2 роки тому

      Yeah, I really dislike the assembly cut and I never understood all the love for it, it ruins the pacing of the movie and adds even more confusion than the theatrical cut did. The assembly cut is literally the rejected scraps slapped into place.

  • @botondkalocsai5322
    @botondkalocsai5322 Рік тому

    I think these coincidences of the AIDS and the body horrors featuring parasitic aliens comes from the fact that the human noosphere i.e. the information environment was permeated with the terror of AIDS, which caused subconscious decions of the producers, to make their movies more akin to an allegory of the horror of AIDS.

  • @Diskono303
    @Diskono303 2 роки тому

    A thought I had whilst watching this video was about the David Fincher/Madonna working relationship. She is a very sexually-aware person and so imagery, sexual liberation, questions on morality and mortality were possibly brought up in the artists' processes. If David didn't have awareness of AIDS prior to working with Madonna he would have afterwards. All it would have taken were a few conversations between Sigourney and David on set and the film's framing could have been altered.
    Great video again! Look forward to the next 😊

  • @tobiewolfen01
    @tobiewolfen01 2 роки тому +16

    This sheds interesting light on the intention behind Alien 3, and I'm feeling like I judged it a little too harshly if this allegory was their intention.

    • @gamesthatiplay9083
      @gamesthatiplay9083 2 роки тому

      Who knew that "their real intentions" would come to light 30 years later.

  • @tarnishedknight9909
    @tarnishedknight9909 2 роки тому +1

    I would like to have seen the wooden prision in space set idea they had, but yes this is a intresitng video, analysis of the theroy. Finally Alien 3 is absolulty worth a watch

  • @m0istur
    @m0istur Рік тому

    Im pretry sure the movie was just supposed to be another alien movie. But due to timing, people who watched it believed that alien 3 was secretly about aids when it really didnt have anything related to it, nor was it intentional, and they found things in the movie that they suspected was related to aids

  • @sherry-games
    @sherry-games 2 роки тому +2

    Dude! I llove your content. It would be awsome if you do more comics/books reading

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 2 роки тому +1

      Have you listened to "the earth war" and "beyond the earth war"?
      They are masterpieces of narration

    • @sherry-games
      @sherry-games 2 роки тому +1

      @@scrappydoo7887 half of the views are made by me

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 2 роки тому +1

      @@sherry-games lol we must both account for the entire channel then 😂
      Seriously though those and the trials of machiko naguchi are excellent. I just have done all three lists 25 times each lol

    • @sherry-games
      @sherry-games 2 роки тому +1

      @@scrappydoo7887 of course!

  • @JamieSwitzer
    @JamieSwitzer 2 роки тому

    Love this video, thanks so much for bringing this idea to light.

  • @DoctorFurioso
    @DoctorFurioso 2 роки тому

    It's definitely curious that there were so many movies that very closely appeared to be AIDS allegories around the time of the AIDS pandemic/"gay plague" panic despite directors denying a conscious association. My thought is with all of these, Alien 3 included, that it impacted artistic expression whether writers, directors, producers, etc. knowingly incorporated it into their work or not.

  • @wulozhero6684
    @wulozhero6684 2 роки тому

    I love this film.
    Every time A.T. does an analysis of it, I love it even more.

  • @jamallabarge2665
    @jamallabarge2665 Рік тому +1

    "Could the film serve as an allegory for the HIV/AIDS crisis of the 1980s?"
    No. Neither for the gay lobby or by homophobes.

  • @preezy85
    @preezy85 2 роки тому

    Really interesting analysis, thanks for sharing

  • @timothyclapham3934
    @timothyclapham3934 2 роки тому

    This was so important to do not only to make people aware but in other context is a real good thing

  • @Pekingesejedi
    @Pekingesejedi Рік тому

    I think that anyone can throw a dart at a blank wall, and then go up to it after the fact, and paint a perfect bull’s-eye around that dart, and say, “look at the perfect bull’s-eye, I just scored”.

  • @andreraymond6860
    @andreraymond6860 2 роки тому

    Walking out of the theater, my friends and I had the discussion. Those of us willing to defend the movie's quality were very much of the opinion that Ripley's terminal illness was Cancer or Aids by nature. A metaphor is better left vague and universal. We appreciated the austere hopeless tone of the film as it fit Riplay's journey through the stages of death.

  • @CalvinBloopers
    @CalvinBloopers Рік тому

    As someone experiencing HIVS, thanks for this. The opening made me cry I only cried at the doctors office when I first found out lol. I personally didn’t see the correlation, but I’ve always the Alien series. I’m literally obsessed with space shit 😂.

  • @Osahashi
    @Osahashi Рік тому

    Why do we always have to look for a deeper meaning in everything, for a deeper message? Probably no one thought anything at the time, we just often wish for something and if we look long enough for a connection, we begin to recognize a connection. We can't stop, we can't accept that something is finished, we need the urge to find answers.

  • @nodatastored684
    @nodatastored684 2 роки тому +1

    It seemed to have, to me it was the British ending the series, in a very British way.
    We had the rise of the skinheads in the UK, with the rise of grunge in America, the Raf Simons design aspect in the clothing showed that, the isolated toxic males with with extra YY Chromosomes from some weird infection at birth it's there, and the rise in group homes

  • @FreedomCompatriots
    @FreedomCompatriots 7 місяців тому +1

    Alien3's David Fincher is much like Dune's David Lynch in that they have all but disowned their own works. They are wrong to do this. The studios have reached out for them to complete their original visions and they should. There is a massive following for these films respectively and there would be no shortage of fans to see these films brought to their ultimate form. Studios get gun-shy when they see the bills shoot up but what business wouldn't be. Sadly, they are trying to make a business out of art. Fortunately, the studios have seen the error in their ways and have tried to get the original directors to finish their vision. Why wouldn't an artist want that? The fans deserve nothing less.

  • @alexandrumircea
    @alexandrumircea 2 роки тому +1

    Probably your most thought-provoking and touching video. By the Sigourney quotes I was in tears.

  • @macwade2755
    @macwade2755 Рік тому +1

    Great Video Alien Theory!

  • @graemewilson7975
    @graemewilson7975 2 роки тому

    At the time of ALIEN3 release in its much derided original version, I read more than one reviews that alluded to ALIEN3 & AIDS. COPPOLA'S DRACULA was likewise signalled as a movie with a far darker subtext than a first viewing would give. Growing up in the AIDS era was pretty grim, with sacred cows of entertainment destroyed because of the nature of their deaths and entertainment Industries grew vampiric tastes to wallow in entertainment people's sex life's, rather than addressing the AIDS virus which was destroying them.

  • @354Entertainment
    @354Entertainment 2 роки тому +2

    Such a underrated movie, especially the longer version!!!

  • @MarkAVP
    @MarkAVP 2 роки тому

    I suppose we could say that the Alien movies in general are all about people doing things they shouldn't be doing, such as going into an unknown spaceship and being "infected" by an alien lifeform. Pretty simple take that I'll bet most of us will miss.

  • @tgerard3860
    @tgerard3860 Рік тому

    great analysis. spot on.

  • @chestbuster1987
    @chestbuster1987 2 роки тому

    That's certainly a fascinating interpretations. Amazing how this franchise still has so many surprises after all these years.

  • @DEATH-THE-GOAT
    @DEATH-THE-GOAT 2 роки тому +4

    Interesting analysis.
    You can also see the Alien movies as cautionary tales for different scenarios that humanity can create. A warning that is now applied in retrospect to the AIDS epidemic.
    The first film warns of Big Tech Corporations unbridled pursuit of profit regardless of the cost it may have to others; people or nature.
    The 2nd for the Military Industrial Complex and Big Company collaboration. Where the soldier on the ground is just a pawn on a board. One that can be sacrificed for the company's profit.
    And the third for how we approach epidemics, real or imagined, such as the AIDS epidemic or the corona pandemic.
    _That was my amateur analysis of your video, Peace._ 😉👍

    • @user-kb8qw7dy4t
      @user-kb8qw7dy4t Рік тому +1

      And the rest of the films for the Mavel-ization of Hollywood.

    • @DEATH-THE-GOAT
      @DEATH-THE-GOAT Рік тому

      @@user-kb8qw7dy4t the M-SHE-U?

  • @VisiV
    @VisiV 2 роки тому

    I hadn’t considered this potential before, but I think it explains well why I’ve carried a special connection to the movie over the years.