Xongkoro - laminated Manchu Bow by Alibow - Review
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2021
- Alibow did it! After making the fiberglass Yarha as their first Manchu bow, now they released the Xongkoro, a laminated manchu bow. Incredible smooth to draw, almost missing manchu kick. Just an amazing bow! My shooting is just bad due to an injury...
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Xongkuro This is the name of a raptor. It lives in Manchuria. It is a divine eagle respected by the Manchu people. At the same time, it is also called haidongqing by the Han people. This kind of Raptor is now on the verge of extinction in China.
Hahahahaha
Alibow:"no step through method there!!!"
Armin:"Not on tape so never happened..."
hahahaha you know me so well :D but we are on some stuff to solve that
@@ArminHirmer bin jetzt schon gespannt... ( Badum, tsss )
😂😂Same thought here, so funny.
I laughed so hard at that cut
Armin, I hope you heal quickly. I pray that the heat and smoke subside soon. Your videos are a welcome break during the long hot summer in Texas. Thank you for your reviews, lessons and tips.
If you wonder about the three-part-string... That was the traditional Manchu string.
The two long loops are tied through small loops in the ends of the "actual string"...
They are tied with a special knot, so it is easy to replace them when they are worn too much...
Originally the long loop were made of a number of threads, to make a fittingly thick line, which then were "tightly twisted",
and then fully covered by a serving, partly to stop it from un-twisting before it is tied on, and partly to take the wear and tear...
The "strongly twisted line" can be stretched "a bit more, for a split second", when the string ends tight, "after the shot"
much like a very strong rubber band would... That will reduce the shock-wave in the bow, ...
And that is rather important, with the long and relatively heavy ends of a Manchu Bow.
Both loops and the "actual string between the loops" were made of hemp or silk,
BUT the "actual string" was not twisted, before it was fully served, so it could hardly stretch at all...
Most antique Manchu bows had that kind of three-part-string...
If you wish the historical correct look of traditional Manchu Bows, a three-part-string "is a must"...
OR a two-part-string, with only one flexible loop, as some Manchus used that...
The two protruding ends from the knot have an additional function!
They help stop the vibrations in the string...
That is mainly important when hunting, so the prey do not hear the bow "sing"...
In other regions the string was a long part, which could not stretch, made of hemp or lin,
and then a short part, which could stretch, and that was made of leather or sinew...
Being thicker than the long string, to be strong enough...
While in some other nations the entire string was made of sinew...
The disadvantages are: It is heavier, so it is surely not a "fast flight string"...
And it will stretch so much in moist weather, so the length needed to be adjusted...
Using modern materials like Dyneema, strings can be made thinner and lighter, and still "hardly stretch at all"...
Being stronger compared to the weight, than silk or hemp or lin, or normal polyester, (aka dacron) it would be called a "Fast Flight String"...
Alibow use Dyneema that for all their strings...
But the long loops on the three-part-string from Ali Bow is "normal polyester or nylon line", being a braided line,
so that can stretch a bit, "when the string suddenly end being taught, after the shock"...
Not only reducing the hand-shock you can feel, but actually making the bow last longer...
But in contrast to the three-part-string which Alibow makes for the Xongkoro (and others, on demand) today,
then originally the KNOT on Manchu strings always rested on the string bridges...
That which most now would call "the old-fashioned polyester AKA dacron bow strings",
like the B55 from BCY
will actually stretch a bit for a split second, when the string ends tight,
giving same effect as the original three-part-strings...
In Europe most Longbow archers still use "dacron" strings, as they feel fewer vibrations in the bow, when using that...
The modern version of a three-part-string would be using dyneema (or spectra) for the long string,
and then use dacron, tightly twisted, and then fully served, for the loops...
OR make the loops of normal polyester or nylon braided line, like Alibow does,
and then fully serve it, to look original.
Happy shooting
Dan
I have a Yarha Long Draw on the way that I'm very excited for, but definitely cool to see their first laminated Manchu bow. Wouldn't mind winning this one to add alongside the Yarha and Kheshig. Good luck to all patreons! 🏹
Wow she sounds really good and yea she does look larger in person as it were. Good work as always
Thanks for the video! Beautiful bow!
Left palm, right fist, wow, Armin, I am thoroughly impressed.......
Finally! I've been forgotten about this bow. It is a beauty also :)
This is a very nice looking bow! It would certainly make my list of long draw bows! Thank you for sharing this review with us!!!🙏
You wish long draw bows?
If you have long arms and broad shoulders, and wish to shoot with the "Manchurian long draw",
you might wish to order a 40" draw Long Yarha from Ali Bow.
I persuaded Ali to try build a custom version with that draw length for me.
He was not sure, it was possible, but now it is on its way from China to Denmark. :)
I can hardly wait to try it out.
I payed 200$ for that custom version, with birch bark instead of leather cover.
But the longest bamboo arrow shafts I could find were 1 meter, so I needed to extend them with a wooden piece,
on the rear end, glued on with a "V splice"...
In the rear end, because the forces acting on that are smaller than on the front end.
"Xongkoro" ('peregrine falcon' ᡧᠣᡢᠬᠣᠷᠣ) is transcribed in the Chinese (Manchu) pinyin style, which means that the = "sch-/š-/sh-", "šongqoro" ~ "schongkoro".
thank you for letting us know
Wow. Great review of an intriguing bow. Also: Once again, I am completely baffled by the YT dislike option. Your Bear video was outstanding. If folks don’t want to watch content: Please, simply stop watching. Thank you, Armin, for continuing to add outstanding content for everyone interested in historic styles of archery.
Soooo beautiful!
I think I know which bow is gonna come with me to the range for the new season to come!
Would be nice if it would actually be this one through your Patreon!
I'm gonna film myself shooting with my barebow for the challenge! :)
Very nice bow with good speed. Thank you for showing us that beauty
It usually is a bit faster, did not shoot well today. Sure it will make 170fps
Great video, great review Mr. Armin! Please take care of your shoulders Sir. I know what chronic pain can do to a person.
I just love that side view of a Manchu in full draw on a solid stance, looks like pure power!! Grrr...the beard helps too so if you've already shaved it please don't tell me I don't want to know.
Gorgeous bow!
Thanks Manchu Armin, cool vid.
thanks, beard is still on ... with my arms I am not capable of shaving
@@ArminHirmer Omg! Take it easy, hope you feel better soon🙏
Armin , as soon as your injury is over , could you post high speed video of your shooting, I really want to know how those arrows fly .
Oh wow that is really nice! What's the cracking sound when you draw it? Does it come from string?
Looking at the size of both this and the Yarha, I assumed they were used by footsoldiers. But a little reading-up on Manchu bows indicated they were used by horsemen. That's a big damn' bow to be shooting from a horse.
On the other hand, a bow that throws very heavy arrows, even at the comparatively moderate speeds the Manchu bows achieve, is going to hit like a Mack truck when it connects.
They even shoot yumis from horseback :)
So beautiful. Nice one.
Are those arrows wooden.. they sound different against the bow when u draw... They make a cool sound
My Qinghai is on its way, I'm so excited to get started in Manchu style, maybe the Xongkoro will be on my list and I'll just skip the Yarha altogether, haha!
I don't find Alibow to be that bad when it comes to shipping. For the 3 bows I've gotten from them, they each took about 2 1/2 months. I'd say that's quite good. Some bowyers take 4+. I really wanna get a Yarha when I have the funds.
This bow looks amazing, great review.
True that
I ordered a similar bow from the 'other' Chinese bow maker - it sucked. When they made it they coated the string grooves with varnish. Every time I tried to string the bow the varnish was so slick the string popped out. I had to take round files and clean out the string grooves. When I finally was able to string it the limbs warped irreparably - in opposite directions. It now sits in a corner waiting a trip to the garbage dump.
You need to be two people to string this bow. I have never managed to do that in my life 😂
It's a beautiful bow. And I agree, whipping would be a good idea. Considering that decorative layer Alibow puts on their bows. Some whipping would give me a better sense of security.
Every bow I have received from China, AF or Alibow, came in a flimsy box that looked like it had been run over by a steam roller. Fortunately, as ugly as the boxes are on arrival, the bows have all been without damage.
Thank you for another great review. I hope you return to pain free shooting soon.
Cheers
thank you
Same here. I received a bow with broken siyah and 6 arrows splitted from middle. Looked like a truck had run over it or something. But they are very friendly and offered full refund 😅
It looks beautiful, the only thing is that I know I'm going to damage it because I would never have help to string the bow. And more in this area than anyone supports the crazy archers league😁👍 Nice to see you shooting Armin. All the best to you and the friends of Malta. 😀🙏
Have each kid hold an end, you might manage it.😂😂
@@jenjen7728 😁👍🙏
Not my cup of tea, but a will say I have never shot one if I did maybe it would change my mind. Thank you sir for the review. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸
Beautiful bow! And man, your shoulder seems really in pain... please take care.
Maybe you can do a speed comparison next time when you feel better?
sure thing and thank you
I thought I saw a broadcast video from you last night, you,Peter,and a woman and it's just under 30 minutes...maybe I long to watch your new broadcast again😹😹😹
Hello Armin Ustath (Teacher)
i've set my mind and willing to get a Simsek bow, i still didn't get a Reply from Simsek, What's the Minimum GPP Would you recommend on the Simsek without Damaging the Bow on the long-run, i have 400spine 3DHV Arrows, the total arrow weight with everything is 302Grains, if i were to use it with a 55 pound Simsek, would that be okay? it would be 5.4 GPP and it's 400 spine but a very light arrow, i would appreciate your help on this one, and thanks in advance!
Hi David, that’s really a bit light… maybe put at least a bit heavier tip on it? I think 7-8gpp is the minimum. But you can ask Simsek what they say
Compared to QD2, which one is better overall?
for now I would give the edge to qd2, but not much
Another pretty bow by Alibow fit and finish beautiful as usual. Not my style but very nice indeed! Thanks for another honest review as always! Looks like you've neglected your long draw form, you best get back at it my friend. 😆🤣Just joking I know how shoulder injuries can ruin your form! Hope your better soon my friend!
thanks
Wy do you show this one for,they haven't made that bow in a long time I got tired of waiting .I would like to buy one .
Because I have one :)
I got this exact bow. The string jumped out of the groove when I pulled it. What should I do?
Did you check if the bow is straight after stringing? How did you string the bow?
@@ArminHirmer I use a stringer to string it. Bow looked straight
Perhaps you mean the string popped of when you shot?
If so the problem might be too light-weight arrows.
They should be at last 15 grains per pound, which is about 1 gram per pound.
OR it is because you twist the bow, when shooting.
Hold the handle softly, "like holding an egg", to avoid that.
If you actually mean the string pops out from the slots,
when drawing the string back, it seems the slots have a "wrong direction".
While I can hardly believe Alibow would make such a mistake,
you could correct it with a small "rat tail file"...
Buying such a file will be cheaper than to send the bow to China,
and it would fix that problem, in a few minutes...
Well worth it, on such an expensive bow.
How does this compare to Mariners Qing Dragon 2? When you reviewed that you didnt have this rating system.
They are very similar, QD2 draws maybe a bit smoother but the Xongkoro gives you more of this Manchu feel
@@ArminHirmer Danke vilmal
Armin... Is there a difference with a 3 part string... They are normally 1 piece right... I guess I never asked this
The three-part-string has the two long loops tied through small loops in the ends of the "actual string"...
They are tied to the string with a special knot, so it is easy to replace them when they are worn too much...
Originally the long loops were made of a number of threads, to make a fittingly thick line, which then were "tightly twisted",
and then fully covered by a serving, partly to stop them from "un-twisting" before they are tied on, and partly to take the wear and tear...
The "strongly twisted line" can be stretched "a bit more, for a split second", much like a very strong rubber band...
That will reduce the shock-wave in the bow, when the string ends tight, "after the shot"...
And that is rather important, with the long and relatively heavy ends of a Manchu Bow.
Both the loops and the "actual string between the loops" were made of hemp or silk,
BUT the "actual string" was not twisted, before it was fully served, so it could hardly stretch at all...
Most antique Manchu bows had that kind of three-part-string...
If you wish the historical correct look of traditional Manchu Bows, a three-part-string "is a must"...
OR a two-part-string, with only one flexible loop, as some Manchus used that...
In other regions the string was a long part, which could not stretch, made of hemp or lin,
and then a short part, which could stretch, and that was made of leather or sinew...
Being thicker than the long string, to be strong enough...
While in some other nations the entire string was made of sinew...
The disadvantages are: It is heavier, so it is surely not a "fast flight string"...
And it will stretch in moist weather, so the length needed to be adjusted...
Using modern materials like Dyneema, a string can "hardly stretch at all"...
Being stronger compared to the weight, than silk or hemp or lin, or normal polyester, (aka dacron) it would be called a "Fast Flight String"...
Alibow use Dyneema that for all their strings...
But the long loops on the three-part-string from Ali Bow is "normal polyester or nylon line", being a braided line,
so that can stretch a bit, "when the string suddenly end being taught, after the shock"...
Not only reducing the hand-shock you can feel, but actually making the bow last longer...
But in contrast to the three-part-string which Alibow makes for the Xongkoro (and other, on demand) today,
then originally the KNOT on Manchu strings always rested on the string bridges...
That which most now would call "the old-fashioned polyester AKA dacron bow strings",
like the B55 from BCY
will actually stretch a bit for a split second, when the string ends tight,
giving same effect as the original three-part-strings...
In Europe most Longbow archers still use "dacron" strings, as they feel fewer vibrations in the bow, when using that...
Are Alibow's bows (!) made by Sanlida ?
I tried shooting my Hayk crimean tatar with thumb release and I was amazed by the bad arrow's flight . I thought the flight would be beter than with mediterranean release but thats absolutely the opposite as we can see in the video @18:57 . Very disappointing .
thats simply my bad shooting, one should not shoot while injured.... I guess alibows bows are made by or for Alibow
@@ArminHirmer It seems that the string is deflected to the right by the shooter's thumb, maybe not opening quick enough , not sure it can be corrected by training .
@@jme104 I shot with injuries today, thats why my form was very bad :D
just my bad shooting or not matching arrows :)
We have our own factory. 2000 spm building and 30+ workers :)
A beautiful Manchu bow! 🥰
I‘m working on my Gao Ying form and next step will be long draw for Manchu - surely I‘m too short for 34“ draw, but hey - it’s for the fun of it! 😁👍
I‘m looking forward to the Patreon question!
Thank you so much for the review and giving the bow to the Patreons!
Get well soon!
Wy are you showing this machu bow from Ali bow they don't even make it any more
Review the alibow fiberglass dunghuang bow next.
When I have one I will
Wow.. could pull this 36 inches. Wow. Maybe more
It seems they discontinued this model at this draw weight 😭
Please don't stop saying "so", "naja" and "gut". It makes you even more likeable than you already are. 😉️
hahahah gut :D
I think it's about time you add a peg at 35"
No need I just have to wait until my injury is gone
Wow real funny "knarzi" Sounds ,better than Hollywood
Included in the price :)
Servus Armin, schaut cool aus der Bogen, muaß erst moi schaun wia i mit den längeren Auszug beim Qinghai klar kumm falls er mal ankommt, bevor i mi an so a Biest trau.
Scheena Gruaß
ja freili
I would love to make a channel like yours in my language...
Then go ahead
@@ArminHirmer unfortunately, i have a lack of time with my work... I barelly shoot 200 arrows a week...
But one Day... I'll make it. Thank for your encouragement. ☺️
I also love your shooting school. In my country they are all turned toward olympic shooting, they are a little boring 😅
👏🇮🇪
longbow.....
"they already told me that you should not string this with the step through method."
...
Skips ahead to the bow already strung
ඞ
Hehe I did not have the stringing belt on hands