Anti-Feminism Is Not Enough | Doug Wilson & Rebekah Merkle
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Doug Wilson and his daughter, Rebekah Merkle, discuss modern feminist confusion and the future of true femininity.
Enjoying this conversation? Check out "Eve in Exile," available May 6th
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This video is presented by Canon Press.
Enjoying this conversation? Check out "Eve in Exile," available May 6th
eveinexile.com/
Seems pretty bizarre to me that in an entire video about femininity, there was practically no discussion on the Virgin Mary who is LITERALLY the most “blessed among women.” In a desire to be anti-Catholic, you’re neglect of the Theotokos ends up shooting yourself in the foot. I suppose this is why the feminist insanity began in Protestant countries like the US, UK, Germany etc. but hasn’t invaded Catholic South America and Orthodox Eastern Europe yet.
@@mosesking2923 You make a good comment in the first sentence, then it spirals out of control hahahha
I am not sure how Mary could add to the conversation. Our command, roles, and worth come from God. Our problem started with Eve. Mary, who was blessed and an example of obedience even when we don’t understand how The Lord is working all things out according to His purpose, lived long before our modern day feminist movement. I’m thinking this is a conversation around our more present day. But, that said, I haven’t read the book so I am only going on this conversation. I hope to learn and also hope this conversation starts a movement to lead many women to a biblical understanding of womenhood and a focus on Gods truth.
That room is gorgeous!! Where are y’all sitting?
God bless you for your efforts to share and take time to help us Christians grow biblically and navigate the chaos of this world. Much love to you and your family in Christ.
As a late millennial I’m 27 years old now been a homemaker since I was 22 but truly didn’t learn to run the household until I started to seek education for myself on UA-cam hours of old school home economics! But the spiritual aspects of running a household I learned when I started reading the Bible and God softened my heart to Jesus and became born again ❤️ I used to hate my role but because I didn’t know the significance and purpose behind it! I love being home and homeschooling my daughter, I’m pregnant again with our second daughter after a couple miscarriages. My calling is beyond any earthly success! I thank Him for opening eyes. Feminism was leading me to hell! Also I don’t understand the boredom yes some days are like that but it’s important we find hobbies!!! It’s okay to learn new things even as a women we have the internet! No excuses. I watercolor in my spare time and self taught! God revealed talents He gave me to glorify Him…even with all the modern conveniences there’s always something to do especially in a house!
God bless you and your husband, Sofia. The name given to you was a wise choice, and your mother and father must be very proud of you.
God bless you and your family. Western civilization is in critical need of many more women like yourself. Yours is amongst the most noble and significant roles in all of creation. Never allow the world to convince you otherwise.
I'm so proud of you!! I'm 56 and just learning some stuff that I wish I had realised at your age. Praise God your eyes are opened young!
I am 57. I agree with you! Being a wife and mother has never been boring to me. I was blessed to stay home with my boys and homeschool them. (On a tight budget when my boys were young.) I am still working on being a better wife.
I loved this book.
Lovely comment, Sophia.🤍
I’m very excited for this documentary! 🙏🏻
Nikki! What a nice surprise 🥰
Agreed! This warms my heart ❤️
I unfortunately know a couple, where the husband has graduated from seminary, had a wonderful gift of teaching, very kind man. He was counseled numerous times not to marry this woman who was very beautiful but was very much a gossip, haughty, unkind, etc. He didn't listen. He married her and she has made his life absolutely miserable, ruined his life. It was so sad. A good wife makes allll the difference.
Same thing happened to our church elder when he was younger. After 20ish faithful years of marriage his wife went through church discipline and would not submit to church discipline and was considered them to be not of the faith based on her actions. She divorced him 2 years later. He got remarried years later after she moved on to other men and is a very happy man now. There still remains hope.
An elder is supposed to have “one wife”.
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Sounds like the elder Daniel is talking about does indeed have only one wife.
@@nando7522 Thanks.
@@jonyoung6405 Sounds like the divorce was biblical.
Gen-X was completely devastated by feminism. I had to lean on books to learn how to cook or do anything other than career.
Late millennial I had to go on UA-cam and watch hours of home economics from the 40s and 50s to help me become a better homemaker …
Agreed! I remember my early years with my mom at home and then my mom heading into the workplace...which then exposed us to whole new issues to deal with not having that supervision when we came home.
Good for you!!!
I don’t know how anyone, regardless of gender doesn’t have the basic desire to learn how to take care of themselves and not be dependent. That includes cooking and cleaning up after yourself.
The nuclear family created during industrialization is not a stable unit. It puts a lot of pressure on the woman to run the whole house. Feminism is not the actual problem. Industrialization is what put the pressure on families and still does.
Born in 1968, I was raised in the notion that women could do anything that men could do. I was convinced that I would never serve a man! So that being said, I am now 54 and have been married 4 times. I truly came to God a couple of years ago. I started reading the Bible instead of listening to preachers in the "churches" in America. I realize how wrong and how evil the feminine movement is. Thank you for your work for God to show young women the truth!
I can’t imagine the pain you went through as you learned some hard truths.
I think it all started out with the right intent ,but like anything it gets highjacked by the more radical elements , there is nothing wrong that women do get payed the same for doing the same jobs as men that are both genders are equally capable of doing, or women voting. Right now there's a couple of women in the military that fly fighter jets that are consider the best pilots in the U.S military.
Amen!! Praise God
As I said in a previous comment, I am really looking forward to this documentary. I also bought the book. As a mid-30's woman, I feel completely jipped. I was not taught how to be a wife and a mother. I was sold a pack of lies by society and it's only been as I've gotten older that I've begun to find out how many things I didn't know. I feel even more jipped because it isn't taught in church either. Where are all the mature Christian women that were supposed to teach me? Non-existent. Now I have to be a self-feeder (Biblically) because I don't feel the church is up to the task. I keep praying for revival.
Yes! I read the book last year (31) and I felt lied to and frankly used. I am really grateful for education, I am glad they mentioned that the measure your daughters are educated your grandsons will be! Amazing! And yes, honestly I can help my parents in ways I never imagine I could, so praise God for His mercy, I only wish I would have been taught that the home was more important, my values were all upside down. Instinctively I knew children were important but it felt like I was wrong for thinking that way. Like I was weak. Now I am hoping God will have mercy and allow me to taste the sweetness of the work at home, even if the bees of every task sting a little or a lot! I know it bears fruit. I know it is good because God called it good.
@@LauPineda My values were all upside down as well. And in addition, I bought into the selfish mind-set of not wanting children because of how much work they are. I've changed my mind, but now I'm 34 and kids may or may not be possible. I am frustrated by what feminists did. They created a cancer. They didn't help women, they hurt them. Entire generations have been taught this garbage, and for some they may never recover from it. I thank God that He was merciful to me and opened my eyes before it was too late. But will my husband and I ever have children now? Only the Lord knows.
@@Franquie God willing Franquie we will see His glory in all of this and people like you and me will become mothers! God willing, if not our own, we can help change the minds of the younger people, younger gals around us even now (I have had some interesting encounters with gen z). Maybe we can help the 20 something not to fall in this dumpster fire. I pray God will give you the desires of your heart and that His name will be exalted in all of this and His mercy on the display in your life.
I am also afraid it won't happen but His perfect love cast our fear! That's all we have and that's all we need. (Also bonus points you have a husband! That's half the battle 🤣!)
@@LauPineda I completely agree. I pray that God will use both of us to help turn younger women away from feminism. Perhaps in this generation God will raise up godly women to be Titus 2 role models for younger Christian women. I will say a prayer for you that you will find a truly God fearing man to marry, and that God will give you children. We need more Christian's raising godly children for the next generation!
Also, 30-something. My mom was jipped, too. I would ask her questions about homemaking, and being a woman in general, and she didn't know how to answer a lot of them. She left me up to a lot of my choices on life with the "follow your dream" and "you're finding yourself out there" models, which by God's grace I was skeptical about.
Oh my word. As I woman I love how mentally simulating this was (so good, so much food for thought) while at the same time I just absolutely could not stop admiring the beautiful room and decor choices in it! 😍😄
Rebekah Merkle’s green couch is iconic 🤩
This book was AMAZING! I am on my second time reading it, and I am sending it to my 3 daughters!
I'm just in the process of launching a Titus 2 women's ministry in my church when I discovered the Wilson family. My mind reels with the potential. And a little overwhelmed. Back to praying for God's wisdom and guidance. After all, it's His. 🙏📖💗
Amazing content! Thanks so much 🙏
Looking forward to this documentary!!
Can't wait for this!!
"Hidden Art" by Edith Schaffer (wife of Francis Schaffer) changed my life and made me realize how "unboring" life as a wife and mother should be. It is exhilirating, CREATIVE and powerful!!! So fulfilling!
Not finished yet but really is a good and encouraging gift!
Yes love that book. I also like the Christian homemakers guide book.
Thank you! Adding this to my Goodreads list.
You’re right. It would make a great book for graduating girls. One of my all time favorites!
I’m counting down the days! I need to figure out how to cast it to my tv from my phone and just host a watching party at my house.
My views on my role as a woman/wife have changed since I had my first child. I believed the world's lie that I was "above" staying home and doing mind-numbing work. However, the Holy Spirit changed my heart and now I realize how important it is to raise the next generation. The devil wanted to get us out of the home because he knew what influence we had there. Every person and family is different and some women may need to work outside the home. The point is to not disparage the role of motherhood and to think critically about why you work and where God needs you most.
Gold.
Looking forward to watching this with my wife. Thank you for sharing this!
Appreciate the emphasis on women being allowed to explain Scripture as long as their teaching is not meant to be taught to men and that women deserve to be taught Scripture.
This is very good. Thank you.
FINALLY!! Someone is saying what I've been thinking for years. So excited to see this.
What a lovely foyer/landing/space they are chatting in!
Doug, you have the loveliest family. I’ve been binging Rachel’s videos 💕
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Spot-on! Separating the family is Satan's biggest attack. As someone who came from a separated and dysfunctional family, was not raised in the Lord, and was redeemed after starting a separated family as well, family is super important! The home is super important! The home is where we must worship LORD God in reverence and awe daily. We must teach our children to do the same and follow our examples the washing in the Word and walking in humility in a manner worthy of our calling. Not to sit around and complain about this calling. Not to do unhealthy things to cope with anxiety or stress of this calling that is actually freeing and beautiful when done in the LORD. For those like me who who were redeemed with broken families, you are now in the family of Christ. What an honor 💓💓💓
"It feels like" "It does feel like"....could we make some statements based on actual truth, and not just on how things feel? It's a habit of speech that should be quashed.
This feminist "freedom" didn't really arrive at it's sad frenetic decline until the Pill hit the scene. Contraception and it's evil twin, abortion, paved the way for an irrelevant, ungrounded, self absorbed, empty, mournful existence. So much pain . God's Word, his people, and the precious family are places of true joy and experience that has value that lasts. Even the barren are set in families and find a place to "give and receive" if we trust in Him.
I agree with you.
You know it's quite ironic, but there is something so powerful about a godly woman.
I'm one of those who will watch the documentary, and then, read the book. I'm excited! Random tidbit: we named our daughter Eve (Evelyn), so it feels more weighty than it would have been without her.
🤣 That "prime minister" story was hilarious.
The book is amazing of course.
But I also need to know where Becca got her shoes and what wall paper is in the background. Pleeaaassee haha
So so good!
When does the documentary come out?
Woah, did not expect a paradise lost reference
LeGuin, you did it again!
Can you put it on DVD for purchase?
I watched my wife slowly get deceived by a feminist business partner and she absolutely destroyed our marriage and family. feminism is dangerous
She started a business and left you??
@@aallen5256 Basically. She partnered up with a feminist lesbian and has warped her thinking to suit her business partner. It sounds insane and I never saw it coming.
My good wife has cut off her hair, gotten tattoos and cusses and smokes now and looks at me like I’m a monster. Got very close to divorce last year. Looking for it to end this year. It’s been the craziest thing to watch happen. Doing my best to love without Compromising or folding
@@treybarnes5549 That does sound like a lot of change! Some things aren’t to be I guess. Sorry for your pain
I’m sorry to hear that. Feminism is dangerous and it’s not biblical. I have found a whole collective of “Christian women” 🙄 searing women away from their husbands. It’s tragic, because I grew up with a mother that thought she wore the pants in the family (not a believing family) and it destroyed are family to this day it continues. It sadly gets to a point where parents and siblings no longer have a relationship nor want to be around each other. I’ve actually have had to remove my own mother out of my life because of continued destruction. I’m almost 47 and I have so much more unlearning to do. When are a BIG problem in our world that don’t submit to God.
@@tianacampuzano9527 yes probably a million untold stories
Oh to be sitting in that room taking part in the conversation!
Agh! It’s killing me! 😂 I love it, this conversation is riveting but also excruciating! A little while ago, they spoke of the “driving force” a woman can be in either making or breaking her husband. Quite literally. Further afield, they’re onto the laughability of those romantic notions that a woman can essentially perform the role of the Holy Ghost in her husband’s conversion. Hmmm. I’m having a difficulty. 😂
In all seriousness, I love this conversation, I’m buying her book today, and looking forward to the documentary. And, as a woman who has been married to the same infuriating man for 22 years, I will tell you that in my experience, his failings are his own.
Doug, I couldn't help but think of Nancy making a peaceful home for you when watching you answer hostile questions at Indiana University for the sake of the gospel. I am convinced some of those students have or will come to know salvation, and that day will be part of their formation and repentance. I don't know if she was a good helper for you that day (I know I often fail), but just imagining it was an inspiration and encouragement to me. Our homes are the "front lines," but also the medical tent. Much love to this family that cares so much about preaching the gospel.
I’m going to be ordering the book. This was a great conversation and I’m excited to watch “Eve in Exile”.
Excellent
It's funny because I actually really liked the 1950s housewife stuff haha xD But I understand what you mean, It can be very superficial. It's like being a woman and bringing back Christian understandings of women isn't just looking after children and doing chores, it's the personality and morals that matters too.
Slightly distracted...with your beautiful decor. Love it.
Hi, I’d like to firstly thank you for your wonderful ministry and courage to write this book and create the documentary. I would really like to hear your thoughts on violence against women and girls, I work as a domestic abuse worker and I seems as though certain protective laws and services would not have come about had it not been for secular feminism. Would really love you to address these types of questions.
So encouraging to see men of God standing , and their children after them standing. I pray to glorify God in my family life and raise Him up soldiers as well, so beautiful to watch.
Rebelling against Gods design and plan totally ruined my life, from having children out of wedlock at a young age with multiple men, I was totally rebellious, my sense of wanting to be in charge fought against the family plan, the fathers are mostly absent from their lives and my youngest who is now very much against Christ and a girl who says we must call her a him. Feel so alone and ashamed and only God can forgive and heal this horrible root of wanting to usurp his plan.
The Lord gives us all challenges He knows we can bear and in turn you will be rewarded greatly for your faith in Him. Continue to teach your children about the importance of their true Father and never stop loving your daughter in this difficult situation she is in. Perhaps now she won’t understand your love but in years to come she may turn around and thank you tremendously for keeping her firm in her femaleness. God bless you and your family! ❤️
Are you licensing this documentary to be shown in Christian venues, i.e. churches, women's retreats, etc? I want to see this on a big screen with other women for discussing and encouragement.
What do you do if you are a product of the Friedan era who bought into feminism? I had two careers, first in the arts and then as a MD at 37 years old. I, based on watching my mother, decided at age five that “I wasn’t going to end up like her”. She, all through my growing up, stated that I should never be “dependent on a man”. I subsequently never had children and have now seen how I was programmed by the culture. As a reformed believer now, how do I having lived most of my adult life wearing the pants in all of my relationships, bring myself into a obedient position in my marriage. I still control the money,as I made it and my husband isn’t the most responsible person with money. I feel lost in how to approach this in my early seventies.
Oh my, Elsie Dinsmore. I remember my (homeschooler) mother trying to read me and my sisters Elsie Dinsmore straight-faced. It was not doable. Around about the eightieth time Elsie's eyes dropped to the floor Mum gave up reproaching us for our sniggers of unladylike mockery. :p
I’ve heard of first coming and second coming, but what is fourth coming?
I have been deceived by so many women's Bible studies. Rebekah is right that I, at least, fill like things have gotten so crazy that I am trying to back up and start over with my study of the Scriptures and what is truth. My concern is that I don't feel comfortable trusting her either. It is not about Rebekah. It is about listening to another woman and her "teachings". Yes, her dad is with her but she is the leader/author. I am so skiddish at this point that I don't know who to trust. THis sounds true but I have been gullible before so fearful. I guess satan can count my fears as a win sadly.
Look up all scriptures related to women. Then you can rely on the word.
Can you speak to the women that simply hire everything out?? I seem to come across that frequently. They see and hear about me working on my lawn, and gardening, and redoing my floors, building things all the time, creating things like textiles. And they comment something to the extent of “oh no I don’t do any of those things. I pay someone to mow my lawn. I don’t get my hands dirty in the yard or even garden. And I buy anything I want for my home and family.”
They are parenting their kids at home yes, and supporting their husband yes. But it seems to be sort of doing the bare minimum, and not finding joy in hand crafting anything for their family. They tend to also eat out majority of the time. But this sort of woman seems to slip right past the church’s radar just because they are doing that bare minimum first bar of requirements. But if you looked harder…. They really aren’t.
How might I love I lovingly challenge them to more??
Really looking forward to this documentary, I am working my way through the book, and I am excited to share it with my daughter as well.
I spend hours every day on an almost exclusively male chan site. (I'm an elderly widow, able to disguise myself pretty well at this point.) I have come to really feel for the fellows there. You would not believe how desperate most of them are to have a trad-wife, family, little plot of land. They do largely identify with what you're putting down though - the 50s Betty Crocker gal. Most of the young people I interact with irl, also, long for the days of Beaver Cleaver, Jeanne, Petticoat Junction, you get the picture. Calmness, normalcy, hard work, respectful children, purpose in life with rewards and a hopeful future. Those old shows are all they know of any alternative to the evil filth we're all surrounded by. But finding a decent lady is next to impossible now. And don't even think you will on any campus. What I'd like to say to them (but cannot) is you have to be the hero you want your gal to want you to be. The history of men is so often the habit of abrogating responsibility. If the men won't man up, there will be a woman to do so. Thus, karen. Going to need some real prayer, repentence and an outpouring of God's grace and truth. Blessings to you all. Oh, and btw, kill your TV. It has always been that which poisons people's expectations.
Both genders are damaged by current society. Men have a bit more time to wake up. But women are basically kept so long in school and the career until their biology tells them they did a wrong turn at some point. I feel sad for them. And for all of my fellow guys who won't be able to find a godly wife.
The tv and media has been the pacifier for any mans full potential
@@MisertheWizer Yes, but...
Actually men can't work 100% of the time. They need and enjoy some amount of off time where they don't do anything. But it also has some addictive power to it. So yes, it sometimes takes way more time than it should. But the opposite mistake should not be made that we assume when there is no TV then the men would be a constantly occupied production machine, unless they spend time with family.
@@MisertheWizer The point of it, as with all transhumanist and utopian agendas, is to trap real people into a virtual reality - one they construct. Yet it is not their creation, but one they've been programmed to pursue. At this point, it is very painful, unnatural and against sheeple-ism to break free of that. Only in Christ can we do that.
God bless your online ministry. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. I used to lurk on chan sites when I was young in college. I got born again years later, and my heart still aches for the men going online and believing lies. They need much prayer.
All well said! Thank you to your family for being brave against our current culture today, because I know people will come at us with pitchforks taking this way.
In World War II, it was very clear-cut to women what their purpose was. They were in charge of the homefront, rationing, nursing, keeping the morale of families up, and of course working as the iconic 'Rosy the Riveters." Their purpose was dramatic and crucial to the success of the nation. (I might add that in previous times before that, women worked alongside their husbands on farms and in small businesses where it was obvious how important their contribution and labor was. My ancestors were farmers and shopkeepers and there was never any question of how valuable my grandmothers' labor was to the entire operation--even in the midst of the Great Depression.) When women returned home, however, in the 1950s, the re-framing of the homemaker radically changed. Suddenly home was a trivial place, where 'the little woman' effortlessly could produce clean clothes and several course meals with the miracle of electricity and gadgets. Look at all the ads of the times with women in evening gowns dancing around their appliances. Suddenly, what she did was supposedly simple, and it wasn't a far leap to make it seem that it was only for the 'simple-minded.' I don't think many women could handle the cognitive dissonance of how hard it really is to be a homemaker, coupled with society slamming the message that it was the lazy way out of life. Friedan's book came at just the 'perfect' time.
Doug's hair is always on point
I read the book around New Years 2021-22 and it's been running through my head for the past few months. I can't wait for the documentary!
Great conversation. (is our task really to get back to the garden? I would think it is to evangelize and take it over which will result in a return to a new greater garden. ;-)
Thank you.
I see man’s greatest issue as learning to limit our scope: 1st to be obedient to God (limiting scope to what glorifies God), and then to work together (limiting scope to make room for all). All need to be free working within the same objective. We haven’t done it yet. God help us!
Amen and huzzah - good stuff here.
I read the book and I really liked it a lot! I can't recommend it enough. But I am always confused when she speaks of boredom being the problem in the 50's. I am not sure why she thinks that.
I have all the same modern appliances today, but I am almost never bored. My to do list never seems to be done. I do have 3 small children at home and I homeschool my oldest. My work is just never done! How were they bored? Am I just incredibly inefficient in the way I use my time? I don't get it. 🤣
I am 100% feeling this comment. I am completely overwhelmed with raising 4 children and homeschooling 3. Can I ask how old your children are? My youngest is 4 and I am FINALLY feeling enough breathing space to dedicate more time to a garden. Although I KNOW I am inefficient. 😆
Ladies didn't homeschool back then the way they do now, nor did they have social media, cable tv, or the type of transportation we do now (that would give them greater freedom). Hobbies and interests were far more limited. And back then there weren't a plethora of team sports to enroll your kids in, let alone all the other activities they have access to now. I personally didn't think of it as a boredom issue until she said it, but I can see where she is coming from.
And good for you to choose to homeschool! I pray for you to be successful in your endeavor :)
@@amyclutter7259 Hey, my kiddos are almost 5, 3 and 1 and I'm pregnant. A garden sounds fun, but I don't think I can do it right now haha. I hope yours goes really well! :)
@@TheFirstLoveClub Thank you for explaining that to me! It's very helpful. And thank you for your prayer. :)
@@ninareis8131 There's no way I could have when mine were that age! Gradually I have been able to add more things to my plate and still maintain a loose grip on my sanity. ;) I agree with the other commenter... more opportunities will take up more time, and homeschooling is basically a full time job!
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For the "hungry mothers" wanting to know how to press forward, not only is this documentary film helpful, but look into Susan Hunt at Revive Our Hearts. They are doing amazing work with "The Legacy of Biblical Womanhood" (book) and podcasts. We always felt like the odd ones (my husband and I) homeschooling, homesteading, searching the Scriptures for the REAL definitions of what the men and women's roles are. I think Titus 2 mentorship is going to NEED to play a huge role in our nation's healing as we, hopefully soon, come out of our depraved minds and back into God's Word and design for men and women. There is an underground revival going on in the homeschooling movement! Praise God! Discipleship at its finest! We have seen the fruit after 16 years of me being at home. It has not been easy, but the rewards...I can't even put it into words how rewarding it has been to be WITH my children like it says in Deuteronomy (walking by the way).
As I continue to listen to this message, I am so sad that Doug's daughter has a negative connotation to homeschooling (minute 24) and glorifying the woman who is just at home. College isn't for every person. Some girls pick up trades, have businesses they have out of their homes, etc. Especially with the colleges brainwashing our children with communistic principles, the desire for higher education, whether for men or women, isn't as appealing as it once was. It's okay for a women "just" to be at home and homeschooling her children. :) It's okay, "just" to have babies and nurture them. Not every woman needs a side hustle!!
From my ego best job at financial banking to God calling best job, keeping my home and homeschool my child in the way of the Lord. Titus. (Totally, I took a Christian "how to keep your home" crash course. I didn't know how to keep a home, I didn't know how to cook ... but by God grace I became a cook and our house became a home).
~11:00 Doing or being? God didn't give Adam Eve for his "mission" (i.e. "doing") so much, but for "being," because it wasn't good for him (or his sons) to be alone. We often make that mistake with God. His Word teaches, and Spurgeon somewhere mentioned, that if we address what needs repenting in our "being" it thus profoundly affects our "doing."
And a Woke-educated woman can be a lethal situation.
Good job Beka!👵🏾
I loved being home with my children. Not one boring day! Just me, God and my children finding ways to explore and enjoy God’s creation, while their daddy worked hard to provide for us. 💗
"The level to which you educate your daughter's is likely to be the level to which your grandsons will be educated."
Your daughters are more likely to be helping your grandchildren with their homework and holding them to account then their fathers. Be sure she is educated for her own sake and for the sake of the generations to come.
I’m curious what you mean when you speak of “educating women.” In what way do you mean, to what end goal?
The end goal of education is truth. For men and women.
Henry Barr thank you. So more theological education? Apologetics and critical thinking? As a homeschool mom (of boys and 3 girls), I guess I’m wondering on a pragmatic level what they mean by girls needing to be better educated.
@@kimberlymurray304 more theology, more everything. All truth is God’s truth. I don’t think they have a specific goal at the pragmatic level. They want women to know truth for its own sake (God is truth) and be able to pass it on.
To get a glimpse of how Doug views education, you can watch this clip: m.ua-cam.com/video/PL83Sflm2iA/v-deo.html And I would recommend searching UA-cam for “Doug Wilson Classical Education”. Keep in mind that he started both a K-12 and a college based on the classical model. He has plenty of specific goals in education.
@@kaylar3197 are they on the “practical level?”
I’m a SAHM and a big believer in women staying home with kids so don’t think I’m coming from a feminist perspective. But we often conflate Biblical womanhood with the idea of being good at domestic skills. During my first year of marriage I was a terrible cook (through no fault of my own; no one had taught me), and I’d internalized the idea that Godly womanhood meant being a domestic goddess. I beat myself up over stuff that DID NOT MATTER when I could have been focusing on the SPIRITUAL aspect of being a “help meet” (if you haven’t looked up the word for help meet, “Ezer Kenegdo” it is amazingly rich.) The idea that the man’s place is outside the home and the woman’s place is in the home, is a relatively new idea in history. Both men AND women used to work at home in agricultural societies. Therefore the Bible passage about women staying “busy at home,” then, had the emphasis on “busy”- industrious, not lazy, etc. I also don’t think it makes a couple ungodly if the man stays home with the kids and the woman is the provider.
I know what you mean about agricultural/industrial societies, but when we are looking at Man's duty, it is a spiritual one that is externally focused. If he is not the monetary provider and that works for the family, he still has a duty to bring forth the gospel and subdue the earth. The woman's job is to help in that work, whether she makes money or not. If he is the support person for the home, doing the cooking and cleaning and child rearing and no external ministry, then he is by definition failing in his duty as a man. I personally think it would be next to impossible for there to be a bread-winning/head of household wife and a stay at home dad and for them both to maintain their masculine and feminine duties well. Next to impossible, but not necessarily impossible. Rare enough that it doesn't really need to be mentioned in a discussion about what it means to be a woman in a marriage. I think we can be plain about what the bible says about women and men without feeling like we need to coddle every possible scenario. And I totally agree with you that the whole domestic goddess idea is not what it means to be a help-meet, though it can be fun to put on a cute apron and make a delicious dinner. I see so many strengths and weaknesses in all my friends around me. I do all the cooking and dishes (or at least I'm supposed to!), but I have a friend whose husband cooks when he gets home from work and I have a friend whose husband does the dishes every night. These women do more than just stay at home cooking and cleaning, but they put the help-meet thing first. I'm terrible at keeping the house clean, but learning that it is a true help to my husband to come home to a clean house. So more and more, the help-meet thing (for me) is looking like being a "domestic goddess." It's not the Most Important Thing, but very often the things that look like domestic goddess also look like biblical femininity. And almost nobody is good at domestic skills when they are first married, but hopefully we get good at them! Ultimately I'm totally agreeing with you, but my point is that it's so common for the domestic skills to go hand in hand with being a help-meet in this society, that we need to be careful not to downgrade them for the sake of not conflating them. They do go hand in hand, but it's OK if you aren't perfect or don't have them all (of course)!
@@cmhardy3 thank you for interacting with my ideas. You bring up some good points. I felt like it needed to be said because so often Christian leaders act like domestic skills are some kind of moral issue. I have personally seen that the idea that the “home is the woman’s domain” can quickly lead to a big imbalance of workload between husbands and wives where she is working almost 24/7 while he works 40 hours at his outside job and then enjoys his time off while she slaves away. (This is in marriages where the husband is not servant hearted of course.) Wives can quickly get on this treadmill trying to please God and our husbands and fulfill our calling by overworking ourselves, when Jesus said His yoke is easy and his burden is light. Godly marriage is mutual: mutual submission (Eph 5:21), mutual helping, etc. From my reading of Scripture our distinction is primarily spiritual, the husband being the “head” or “source,” as in our origin story, who in a redeemed marriage is Christ to his wife, and the wife being an “Ezer,” a spiritual advocate for her husband who prays for him and encourages him. I know I’m probably preaching to the choir!
I think it just goes to show how powerful a relationship can be in either direction since we were untimely built for relationship with Christ. Women staying home is the absolute best case scenario for our children today. There is a sense of urgency and duty here that women need to help women in these roles. As a gardener and a seed saver, Cultivating healthy soil is important and tending to make sure I get next years seeds keeps the longevity going. Much like raising children for His kingdom and being a Titus 2 mentor. We have so many avenues to share the gospel now. Hoping this book touched many women and we can really get back to the garden together!
"Conversatin"?
So this is his daughter?
read The Rational Male... not ask a female how to catch a fish 🤨
I'll be honest. I didn't think there was anyone anymore that would think that women should be "uneducated" lol
Just think of it like this.
A bricklayer lays bricks, but he would never want to "lay" with one.
Lets just fight for human rights how about that
The micro cycle(80 years):
Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create baby boomers
Baby boomers create hard times...
The macro cycle(800-1200 years):
Hard times create patriarchy(where rights are dependent on responsibilities, since men usually take more responsibilities than women this system is described as patriarchy)
Patriarchy creates good times
Good times creates feminism(equal rights independent of responsibilities)
Feminism burns everything down, creating hard times...
To Adam God said, "Because YOU LISTENED TO YOUR WIFE & ate from the tree about which I commanded you not to:
Cursed is the ground because of you, through painful toil you will eat of it, all the days of your life."
-Genesis 3:17
Man's hiearchy of needs:
1 Safety
2 Food & Water
3 Shelter & Sleep
4 Social & Sexual needs
5 Communal & self esteem needs
6 Self Actualization
Women's hiearchy of needs:
1 Equality of Opportunity
2 Equality of Outcome
3 Equality of Authority
4 Equal Authority with no Responsibility
5 All the Authority with no Responsibility for the women, with all the Responsibilities & no Authority for the man or men(especially sexual Responsibilities & Authorities).
A tyrant has 100% authority with 0% responsibility.
A slave has 100% responsibility with 0% authority.
Today marriage, as redefined by the female democratic majority and family court system, makes the man a slave to a tyrant wife, who can divorce him at will, stealing his children, his wealth, and his human dignity.
All womens natural unregulated desire is to have sex with high status bad bad boys and get innocent men to pay for the responsibility consequences(abortions, kids ect.). That's why women, no matter how meritocratic, should never vote.
Women want equal rights authority to make all the decisions in their own life when the alpha f*cks opportunity is there. Its when responsibility slowly comes knocking that women want to shift responsibility back over to innocent men. Women want to sit at the poker table of the socio-sexual market place & make bets & authorize promises in the hundreds of thousands in reproductive costs when they can only actually back up a few pennies worth of responsibility. If women CAN'T take responsibility for a authorization, then they CAN'T have equal authority/rights as the guy who can.
Show me a man who takes by force what he wants from women and I'll show you 100 women who vote to take by force what they want from men. Show me a grave created by patriarchy and Ill show you an entire graveyard created by feminism/communism.
"Any society that negates the role of the father in the voluntarily marriage contract from decent civilization building men and replaces it with a involuntary centralized welfare state will not remain civilized for long."
Man: What is your purpose woman? Woman: Well, man, there's an empty universe out there, and women have lost their place among all of the debate about what led to our downfall. Man: So, basically, I'm going to ignore everything you just said, and say, Christians as a whole is what matters here, and we deserve to get back into the Garden of Eden, so at this point, I'm going to completely dismiss everything you just said in response to pretending to listen to you because that's men's role when women complain. Ignore, act like the head, and bring the conversation back to what everybody needs. Woman: (accepts her dismissal passively without trying to resist) Wow.... That took all of 10 seconds...
So good! Women could've come alongside our technological advances (washing machines, microwaves, etc.) and still have been feminine, useful and creative. I think that's where feminism reared its ugly head. We have been lied to and I think we are at a turning point where because we have men taking over our positions in sports, etc. , we WANT to be feminine again. We want our identity BACK. I was at a store yesterday and there was a man dressed as a woman checking out in front of myself and my daughters. My heart had so many emotions...angry, sad for him, confused for him, etc. He, and the other men that are doing the same, have STOLEN our identity in the name of human rights and "equality". God has definitely given us over to a depraved mind.
Feeling angry and sad that a transwoman is queuing ahead of you in a store? Why?? They’re not taking anything away from you or your identity.. what could you not do as a result of what they were doing?! It sounds like you guys might have even had similar tastes if you’re shopping in the same place!
@@aallen5256 The alphabet soup/trans community in general IS taking away women's identities. If you don't see that in our culture, you're ignoring the news. Male swimmers taking the winning spot over biological females. It's insanity. It is THEFT.
@@mountaingirl8124 But this transwoman you were standing behind in a clothes shop.. how were they taking anything from your identity, and what were they taking away?
P.S. Women’s competitive sports wouldn’t even be a serious thing without feminism!
Take over the world??
Christ died for our SINS, according to the scriptures📜, and that He was buried🪦, and that He rose from the dead on the third day, according to the scriptures📖
(1Corth15:3-5)
.... all YOU have to do my friend is:
Put Your FAITH in Jesus Christ, that He took your place on a cross to die for YOUR SINS
... and God will grant you ETERNAL LIFE, as a free gift 🎁🙏✨, the very moment You put your TRUST in Him..
...God Bless 🙌
I read her book and found it to be full of conflated arguments. Based only on that, I was disappointed by the lost opportunity to argue that there is an absolute truth about gender and morality, but every woman staying home all the time with kids isn't always what it looks like. In fact, that can be damaging for many people and families . Conflating a woman who works outside the home with selfishness is also too bad and quite unkind. Many women work outside of the home for the health of their families and their kids or because God has called them and gifted them for something. They have help with their kids so they can do it. For many, it is a sacrifice for them to work. Once in the book she said 'that doesn't mean women can't work, the Proverbs 31 woman did!" But then she ends that and doesn't develop it at all. The Proverbs 31 woman had many servants and there is little doubt in my mind another set of hands often held her babies while she was out buying fields and the like. She also says women who teach are showing how deceived they are, which is an absurd argument because many, many men make Biblical arguments for women teaching...so are men so clueless that they are that easily deceived when women are or are they just bad men?! If women are that easily deceived, why is she writing this book?! It's just a badly constructed argument, not to mention lacking in compassion and humility. A woman gifted in teaching, economics, education, science, etc... who is not at all gifted in cooking fine cuisine or managing small children (.maybe her husband is?)...what does she do with that? Those women are made wrong? Also saying that every woman working is just trying to flex her feminist freedom but is in a miserable cubicle shuffling papers just to prove her freedom and contempt for motherhood is another conflation. Many men sit miserably in cubicles while many women are utterly unhappy at home with children despite how hard they may try to cook and clean in a nice godly way. Meanwhile, many women delight in their work because they are gifted at it and they are a gift to the world through it and it even enables them to outsource what they may do poorly to the benefit of all.I firmly believe men and women are different in biology and marriage can only be between men and women, abortion is a horrific act of murder, and you are born the gender you are. Home and family are the bedrock of a healthy society. However, I do not think working outside the home or being gifted in nondomestic things automatically puts me on the path to moral depravity and a denial of first truths. I had my first child firmly believing that I had no choice but to stay home with her to be a good mom...and I did the best I could...until I realized that God was actually calling me to put down my pride that it was all on me, trust him, and obey my calling. He'd take care of it all.
Does your daughter have permission to wear pants
Wait a minute. The Bible clearly states that Adam was alone, so God made Eve & there were two. The Garden of Eden was not about having a job. Adam did not have work to do, nor did he need help to do it. I never can accept the way religious people spin the Bible or what they call the word of God when it suits the point they want to make, when it supports their preferred narrative to do so.
There's no going back to the way things were, and young men understand that. We've been made painfully aware that women (especially in the West) act purely out of self interest. Now that the forbidden fruit of this age (feminism) is not useful anymore, it is very important for men to understand that instead of doing the right thing, women will once again bring their mistakes to us and expect us to die for them... as Adam did for Eve. But unlike Adam, we can focus on our true love -> the Lord. THIS is most important. Women are not going to stop being feminists, and they are definitely not going to do as God commands.
How many times is Christianity going to attempt to rebrand domestic servitude as exciting and new. Maybe the one hundredth times the charm tho.
At about minute 21, Wilson makes a statement that women are not allowed to open the bible and to teach men authoritatively, which does not fully line up with Paul indicating that women pray and prophesy in church, with prophesy given to edify the church (1 Cor. 14). Paul highlights order in worship and how women may pray so that they do not call attention to their beauty, but rather keep the focus on God. Men likewise humble themselves before God. This runs contrary to the claim that a woman must be silent (i.e. make no vocal utterance). If women are given gifts to edify the church, then we must rethink what 1 Timothy 2 is saying. Indeed, we see both men and women in Joel being given dreams and visions (with a partial fulfillment of this prophesy at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit is poured out on men and women, with testimony being made in multiple languages to edify those visiting Jerusalem from other regions), and also where women as well as men overcome the dragon by the word of their testimony and the blood of the Lamb, not shrinking from death (Revelation 12:11). In doing a word study, the word for authority in 1 Timothy 2:12 is authentein (notably the normal term for proper authority, exousia , is not used here) - and it is used in only this instance. It has negative connotations of domination even kin murder, and hints of licentiousness, and this is in keeping with Jesus command that the saints do not Lord over others as the pagans do, but focus on servanthood as He modeled. You could say a woman is not to use her inherent attractiveness inappropriately to have power over men, and indeed this is affirmed by Peter who said her beauty should be from within and not elaborately braided hair. Also, the problem of seeing a woman's only value as wife and mother (as important as they are) is that Paul recommends celibacy so that one can focus on God rather than on worldly cares - which indicates that a believer's worth is not solely wrapped up in producing a family, but with the mandate to make disciples of people. There are many unmarried female missionaries that advance the kingdom. Indeed, Elisabeth Elliot and Rachel Saint preached the gospel to men and women where no Christian man could go. Elliot used Christian authority to translate the bible into another language - something only she could do a the time because it was an unknown language to the rest of the world. I just don't see that the call for women is vastly different from men as we compare scripture to scripture throughout. When you boil it down, saints have the Spirit within them, are called to love God first, second love your neighbor as yourself, be humble and submit to and serve one another, and testify to the good news. If men and women are truly led by the Spirit, their walk will be unique, personal, and should not be under fire by others for not fitting a particular pre-determined box.
@@jakesanders136 We only have one high priest, that is Jesus. If you point to the old testament, both gentiles and non-Levites would be barred from priesthood. And indeed Jewish women were allowed closer proximity than all gentiles. Also, do you not know that both men and women will be priests in Jesus' kingdom? That is the believers ultimate destiny: priests and kings to rule and reign with Christ, even judging the angels. Paul himself said that given this, believers should reach for spiritual maturity and be able to judge more trivial matters. I think you make a lot of uncritical assumptions given that we see female deacons and we do indeed see women as elders (1 Timothy 5:2 - see word for elder).
@Prey R I have no idea what you are talking about with progressive theology - I study the bible. It sounds like you do not believe that women have the same promises as men. In your view, are they not sanctified, not given crowns, not serving him,. not part of the new Jerusalem where God's people rule with him? Sounds like you are the one adding manmade philosophy to the bible. I am not interested in a definition from someone else that you have not shared as if that somehow mentioning someone's name undermines the scripture I've already referenced. Feel free to debate points based on scripture. Go ahead, make the case believing women do not reign with Christ.
Wow very needef at this time.
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!!!
I hope y’all aren’t speaking against homeschooling ?
I appreciate you, both. I own the book and am looking forward to watching the documentary. 🤍
Weird.
But whence comes the "s" in Jesus's name? This is of great importance. It is derived from an Egyptian suffix written either SA, SE, SI, SU, or SAF, SEF, SIF or SUF (SAPH, SEPH, SIPH or SUPH) and meaning "the son," "heir," "prince" or successor to the father. (The F is an Egyptian ending for the masculine singular.) When the original symbol of divinity, IO or IE, JO or JE, was combined with the Egyptian suffix for the succeeding heir, SU or SA, the resultant was the name IUSA, IUSE, IUSU, or IOSE; or IESU, JESU, IUSEF, IOSEF, JOSEF. One of the many forms was JESU and another was JOSEF. The final F became sibilant at times and gave us the eventual form of JESUS. The name then meant the "divine son," and combined in the Egyptian IU the idea of the coming one. Hence JESUS was the Messiah, the coming son of the divine life. There was in Egypt for ten thousand years B.C. the character of this functionary under the name of IUSA. Later he was the Iu-em-hetep, which means "the divine son who comes with peace (hetep). But most interestingly, this last word also means seven. Hence Jesus is he who comes as the seventh principle to complete the six elementary powers of natural evolution with the gift of divine intelligence, which supplants the elementary chaos with the rulership of love and intelligence and thus brings peace into a warring situation. Hence finally, Jesus is the seventh cosmic principle, announced in all religious lore as he who comes to bring peace and good will to men. And as such he was announced in the Christian Gospels. But there was more than one Jesus or IUSA or IU before the coming of the alleged historical Jesus.