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But Dom what we not gonna do is act like kyrie didn’t give Corey Joseph like 4 straight buckets against Toronto in 2017 to close out I think it was game 3
It's defo lebronto>NikoLA, but a detail that is being left out of NikoLA is that every single regular season game last season against LA meant something to the Lakers. -Opening night, right after being swept by the nuggets, saying that the team had "talks" in the off season to get back at the nuggets, only to get pummeled -kobe statue night ruined by the visiting nuggets -Lebron losing in his 40k points game to Denver Nikola absolutely snatched the Lakers' soul
I had never seem a player more defeated and morally destroyed and hopeless like Anthony Davis did during those Nikola Jokic shots. The faces AD was putting were the perfect representation of "DESPAIR"
Look I’m a die hard Nuggets fan and NikoLA even being a nickname for smacking the Lakers is crazy to witness but LeBronto traumatized a franchise and brought massive changes to the org. With NikoLA we just get to laugh at the tables being turned.
@@arkclirefdummy nuggets are a better team than bron and ad. All the games have been close 😂 so imagine if we had another bigs to stop joker 😂like maybe 2020 we did it
@@yunopepper76LeBron and AD have at least beaten Jokic in the playoffs before. The Raptors never did that and LeBron with Love and Irving (6-2 including a 2017 sweep) and 4-0’d them in 2018 after Kyrie left. Toronto was the #1 seed in the East too that last time. Most of those games weren’t even close either.
Lebronto clearly jokic is only doing this to LA because Rob blew up the original team and threw the multiple big man blueprint in the trash. We all saw what Minnesota did to the nuggets last year even gave them a 45 point blow out because they played big with multiple bigs. The lakers always lose to teams with size because Davis is a pf not a true 5, he’s a great small ball 5 but when’s its old school big line ups the lakers get out rebounded and embarrassed.
@ it’s not excuse it’s actually simple logic look at the teams that play with size that the lakers lose to they always lose the rebounding battles and the facts that you didn’t give any stats to back up your claim proves my point of just a random statement. Sorry to burst your bubble but the bubble was the purest form of basketball no excuses because everyone had time to get healthy, no distractions, no travel so no jet lag, no home court advantage. Plus you clearly weren’t watching basketball in 2020 because the lakers were the best team that season and lead the league in blocks. Lbj finished 2nd in mvp and Davis was 2nd dpoy.
Hahah what a sad excuse. You're using the roster as an excuse but forget Jokic is playing AD AND FUCKING LEBRON, not fucking bums like Lowry and DeRozan who were never winning SHIT.
@@jj10176Jamal Murray was hurt and they are playing in glorified LA Fitness in Disney land that is a total fluke no surprise been dominated in regular type games/season since
@@davis2k1234 just say you weren’t watching basketball because murray wasn’t hurt when he was trading 50 ball games with Donavan Mitchell. He wasn’t hurt when they came back from 3-1 against the clippers. He definitely wasn’t hurt when he was averaging 25 and 7 against the lakers. Just because you choose to believe this the same laker is you choosing ignorance considering lbj and davis are the only guys left from that team. The lakers aren’t even an elite rim protecting and good rebounding team since that season, just like they haven’t been 1st seed since that season.
@@arizonaFIREentya so pathetic cause that same “Lebronto” team loses in the finals and NOW it’s he has no help it’s a team sport. But when he wins “oh it’s all LeBron” smh
As a Raptors fan, LeBronto was worse. Because even after we won the title, we still get laughed at for what LeBron did to us. I'm now happy that the Nuggets are delivering a dose (albeit not the same dose) of karma. And a bit more of irony: LeBron tortured an entire country, only fitting for Jamal Murray (a Canadian) to consistently torture LeBron going forward
Its gotta be LeBronto. The shots he was hitting were unbelievable and he was the one making thebgame winning shots. Lakers didnt dismantke their core after NikoLA
@ a lot of shots was low shot clock situations (and they were absolutely crazy) but Lebron was spinning the ball in players faces , taking long two fadeaways with plenty of time on the clock .. he just wasn’t taking them serious
@@JustAnAccountLmao810Demar Raptors are first round exit team if they were in the West so meh. Jokic dominating AD and Lebron is far more impressive. Don't bring me the Lebron is old argument because late 30s Lebron still way better player than Demar ever was.
considering that Murray, particularly in the playoffs, turns into either a prime Michael Jordan in terms of overall production or clutch gene, or both, i’ll go with LeBronto. at least playoff-wise. Murray has been almost just as valuable as Jokic in Lakers series. LeBron also never lost to Toronto in the playoffs, the Lakers gentlemen swept the Nuggets in 2020
@ “prime Jordan in terms of clutch gene” he hit back to back game winners that were absolutely absurd. and overall, it’s about even, because he was better than Jokic and frankly had one of the best playoff performances in the history of basketball in 2023. you need to work on reading comprehension.
Brother that’s an absolute lie. Jokic has been the most impactful vs LA nearly every single series if not every single one. Outside of 2018, Bron had Kyrie to aid him against Toronto so your argument can then be used against you.
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 in the 2024 series Murray averaged 24/5/7 on 40/29/86 percent. Nikola Jokic averaged 28/16/10 on 59/33/93 percent. It was not better In 2023 Jokic averaged a triple double and WCF MVP. Murray played much better in that series tho
@@patrick05Morgan you’re wrong. 1. the Cavs beat Toronto in 2015 with Kyrie barely playing, he played like 20 minutes total, and Kyrie wasn’t on the team in 2018-so you don’t know what you’re talking about. 2. Murray in 2023 against the Lakers is better than *any series* Jokic has played against the Lakers. these are facts. try and debate either of them.
LeBronto simply off of the longevity of it. Derozan was literally drafted into losing to this man. HOWEVER NikoLA is crazy because he is legit beating 2 star players and the most popular franchise in the NBA , BADLY lmfao
I hate this comp. LeBron is 39. He, AD, and Reaves all performed great its just Jokic is that good and Ham is a terrible coach Lowry and DeRozan became DeFrozen and were the higher seed. Maybe if they win again this playoffs and LeBron/AD/Reaves underperform. But still LeBron would be 40 so it doesn't mean that much. Also the Lakers beat the Nuggets in 2020 when LeBron was 35.
That's what I'm saying. These people are acting like jokic is dominating a prime lebron with a prime AD. Lebron is nearly 40. It's clear what the more impressive thing is. And there is no way prime lebron with prime AD is getting swept by anyone not named the kd warriors.
Ham and Casey are terrible Coaches. Derozan and Lowry vs Kyrie and LeBron? They were never even close to being a problem. While AD and LeBron vs Jokic and Murray is even in those years LeBron being 40 is not an excuse because y’all love to say he the goat after getting swept
It’s simply LeBRONTO because the lakers beat the nuggets before in the bubble but the raptors NEVER beat the Cavs every time they went to the playoffs it was a sweep or damn near.
@@UncleCheekClappa Those Raptors were just as fake as the Hawks in the weakest eastern conference ever. Do you actually think Lowry and fucking DeRozan were EVER winning a chip?
As somebody from Toronto who’s a Raptors fan I can tell you it’s Lebronto. Truly embarrassing that one player completely owned our team. We literally rejoiced when LeBron signed with LA just because he wasn’t in our conference anymore
That Lakers team was stacked as fuck, Jokic played with a corpse of Milsap and Will "3/15" Barton. Meanwhile LeBron had the hardest path of beating Lowry/DeRozan Raptors (LMAO) and Horford/Korver Hawks (ROFL)
@@tingol10 “stacked as fuck” is an insane exaggeration and you know it. Not as big of a talent discrepancy as these Nuggets-Lakers series where they’re a team pretty much designed to lose to the Nuggets. It’s an awful matchup.
I don’t think is even close to the same, LeBron literally DOMINATED Toronto. Nuggets as a team is breaking LA. But it never looks like actual player bullying a whole team. Jamal has done as much same damage to the lakers as Nikola so it’s far from the same
well one was lebron being lebron and the other is more like jamal murray being unguardable against la and no one else in the league. they dont have anyone to defend quick guards
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Bron actually beat the nuggets on his way to a ring. His battles with Toronto weren’t even close and he would start free styling on them😭😭😭 and in 2018 Toronto won 59 games and were favorites and lebron had no teammates. The nuggets lebron series everyone knew lebron was supposed to lose and they were still close games in both series. Lebrom made Toronto trade their franchise player and demar said “if they had lebrom” they would have won 😭😭😭😭😭 they had to fire their coach of the year. Banging game winners on their heads. Also Jamal Murray just plays out of body versus the Lakers. Him and mpj. Lebron had raps players tell them where to be and they were on podcasts years later talk about it 😭 also lebron is NOT in his prime
Any other team in the East that year and they absolutely have a shot but it felt like they just knew they had no chance against LeBron despite the Cavs being terrible
I think a crucial thing is denver has been the better team roster wise for years and denver doesnt only have jokic pop off the rest of the team does. Lebronto was a man toying with a franchise lmfao
The only reason why I think this is a narrative is because Joker’s play elevates even higher when playing LA. His desire to whoop their ass is staggering. Lebronto was way worse, but Bron didn’t rise to beat the raptors he played like his usually dominant self.
When an unstoppable force (Lebron) meets an immovable object (Jokic). I don’t see Lakers ever winning against a healthy Nuggets team in a 7 game series.
Lebronto. Lebron cooked that city for years but not even just the raptors but the entire eastern conference. Since LeBron has been in LA there’s been a different team from the east in the finals every year.
Joker maybe the best player in the NBA but his entire team turns up against the lakers. It’s not even hidden, but watching the nuggets team as a whole they all try harder against the lakers.
Lebronto (at least during 2018) was truly just bron dismantling them. Jokic destroys the lakers but Murray also for some reason becomes star level when playing LA
I think these situations are similar more so because both franchises fail to really match up against the stars(Lebron and jokic). Especially the lakers to have only AD and not have a real big off the bench is uh big issue besides 2020
At first i thought it was recency bias but, it’s been 4 years since the 2020 WCF. And the Nuggets have had the Lakers number. Each time Jokic suits up against Lebron he shows out
Lebronto is more dominating but nikoLA is more embarrassing because they consistently sold in the clutch and people legit thought the lakers had a chance yet it didn’t matter we KNEW Denver was finna walk em down
This is bait and you know it XD NikoLA isn't a thing and never will be a thing - these are two completely different scenarios Toronto was a consistently good reg season team who always got demolished by lebron (like everyone else) LA since 2020 hasn't been much of a team so anything past the 1st or 2nd round has been a surprise for them
Lebronto not even a discussion bron just old and has an inferior team than Denver now Toronto was just pretrafied of bron he even has a whole country named after him lol
LeBron fans swear DeRozan and Lowry were winning ring after ring before he showed up . Goes to show how bad the East was if they were the best team in the
Toronto went all in the moment he moved Conference. A first round pick, DeMar Derozan, for a year service of Kawhi. Most time when trade like this happened the player and franchise have some deal for possible extension.
Idk why people tend to forget that the Lakers beat the Nuggets on their way to a Championship. LeBronto was an absolute dominance that went on even longer.
would still say lebronto before nikoLA was a thing, the lebron-jokic rivalry was starting to blossom in the 2020 WCF, which lebron won, and the rivalry seemed to be on equal footing until the 2023 WCF for lebronto, lebron went 12-2 against the raptors, the latter never beating him in the playoffs, and although lebron and the raptors have gone back-and-forth against each other since he left the cavs, the raptors still haven't beaten him in the playoffs
the raptors didn’t win until that mf left and it costed them their franchise player. i’ve never seen a player treat another franchise like it was a game of horse why are we even having this convo?😭😭
If the lakers got another athletic C to do a double lineup they would beat Denver in the reg season. KAT and Rudy gave Jokic fits. AD/Javale/Dwight gave Jokic problems aswell. Lakers hasn’t had a solid defensive C since. With Toronto, they needed a Kawhi/Siakam type to beat Lebron. 18 Lebron had a way weaker team but the lakers are better than Toronto but Lebron is old. 07-18 Lebron on this lakers team would beat Denver.
Lebronto is the peak of Lebrons dominance over East, even at his weaker days at Cavs he dispached them like nothing,it wasnt just Toronto it was all the teams that tried before Lebronto is just the peak of east not matching up with Lebron
12:45 The Lakers are the better team. They have a top 5 MVP candidate who was the only player last year to make first team NBA and first team defense. Their depth is crazy. The Lakers 4th best scorer would be Joker's 2nd option. Joker has literally never played with another all-star until this year with an old Russ. LeBronto was worse but like, something has to be said for the Nuggets being the worse team and still dominating LA. If you remember last year's playoffs all the analysts were picking LA to upset Denver, calling it a matchup nightmare, unfinished business, etc. And like you pointed out, Toronto was a good regular season team, but everybody knew they were chokers.
i would say one of the bigger differences between the two is that lakers team that beat them in 2020 was the best team the lakers have had to this day in the LBJ Lake era. Whereas by the time the Raps saw LBJ in 2018 that was the best team they had up to that point in LebronTO and the worst CAvs team lebron had in that era.
In saying that If the lakers make some good trades this year they make playoffs and see Jokic again and the nuggets win especially by sweep, I think the niuggets not as good this year, that would be NikoLA
I’m torn because LeBronto was a real phenomenon that took on some hilarious memes and led to the complete reconstruction of the Raptors. However, and I’m a Laker fan so I’ve had the misfortune of watching every matchup since this meme started, NikoLA has been absolutely nasty to the point it made LeBron who is one of the greatest players the game has ever seen go “it’s just basketball” like it didn’t mean shit to get the hell beat out of you for 4 straight games
Two simple things that make LeBronto better. The number he put up were more impressive than what jokic put up. The second thing is this is a 38 and 39 year old lebron. Jokic is not dominating prime lebron and prime AD. He's dominating prime AD and 39 year old lebron. It's clear what was more impressive.
Personally i think the LA/Jokic is strong but its contested at times, where as Lebronto as i grew up with and looking back on, was ALWAYS just comedically one sided
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But Dom what we not gonna do is act like kyrie didn’t give Corey Joseph like 4 straight buckets against Toronto in 2017 to close out I think it was game 3
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It's defo lebronto>NikoLA, but a detail that is being left out of NikoLA is that every single regular season game last season against LA meant something to the Lakers.
-Opening night, right after being swept by the nuggets, saying that the team had "talks" in the off season to get back at the nuggets, only to get pummeled
-kobe statue night ruined by the visiting nuggets
-Lebron losing in his 40k points game to Denver
Nikola absolutely snatched the Lakers' soul
If only it was Jokic that went off would be 1 thing , but MPJ and Jamal mUrray do just as much as Jokic . Can't call it like Lebron to used to be
@@mcgusjustice Yeah Jamal sure killed them with 40%!!! shooting from the field. God damn people are going crazy to nullify how great Joker is...
@@tingol10no brother, Jokic is GREAT But You can’t deny that Murray turns into prime Jordan every time he plays the lakers 🤷🏽♂️
@@yvancarbuccia6596he makes big shots all the time against us but he didn’t play well against the lakers last payoffs. They own us though
@@mcgusjusticeSo in that case, go check Kevin Love stats against Toronto in 2018 and remind me who was on the roster the other season.
LeBronto and its not even close. Bron made the Raps fire their coach and trade their best player after a 60-win season 💀
I agree , this was when basketball was at peak for me
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And it was a 59 win season.
People really don’t remember LeBronto.
@@sultan0072011 still a 60 win team.
@@otislamar8613ok bruh
I had never seem a player more defeated and morally destroyed and hopeless like Anthony Davis did during those Nikola Jokic shots. The faces AD was putting were the perfect representation of "DESPAIR"
AD plays perfect defense for 15 seconds straight and Jokic just throws up a rainbow shot that doesn’t even touch the rim 😂
Jok was on one that series. Some of those shots he took was mind boggling.
some bullshit the HoF cpu be doing to you in 4th quarters. i was so mad lmfao
Yeah joking always defeats me
Still LeBronto
Beat that ass so bad it came back the next season with a zenkai boost named Kawhi 🤣
Look I’m a die hard Nuggets fan and NikoLA even being a nickname for smacking the Lakers is crazy to witness but LeBronto traumatized a franchise and brought massive changes to the org. With NikoLA we just get to laugh at the tables being turned.
who knows man, bron might call it quits due to joker being his kryptonite
@@arkclirefdummy nuggets are a better team than bron and ad. All the games have been close 😂 so imagine if we had another bigs to stop joker 😂like maybe 2020 we did it
@@arkclirefkryptonite but bron dropped 40 on a broken leg gtfoh with that bs narrative
Wow a 40 yr old retires... what a shocker. It must be because of Joker
Wow joker beating a 40 year old bron i would expect it and when bron was 5 year younger dude took care of and out played jokic
Lakers beat nuggets to get a chip, raptors had multiple 50+ win seasons and never beat Lebron once. No contest
Exacly, NikoLA is nonsense to me, he is only up 2-1 right now, It were bad losses but still only up 2 series to 1
@@Andre000Lucasno it’s not, look at regular season games, and 2020 jokic wasn’t even in his prime
LeBronto is far worse. He handed them their asses three years straight and made them trade their franchise player
Derizan isn't a franchise caliber player. Never was
How is it worse? In what world would you expect Demar fucking DeRozan to beat LeBron?
@@tingol10 you literally just explained why it's worse
@@avidmomokayoitsumareaderHe’s slow bro forgive him
@@tingol10 Bruh they fired the Coach of the Year because they couldn’t beat LeBron. As a LeBron hater I still think that’s mad impressive
It’s lebronto that man had to leave the conference for them to win a ring 😭 literally as soon as he left which is even crazier
Derozan wasn't nearly as good as kawhi tho
@@Golgo1412 lebron on the cavs sends kawhi home in 5.
Kawhi (west player) exposed how weak the East was
@@Copiium..no
@@Copiium.. Kawhi got an FMVP on Lebrons head lol.
Lebronto was worse. Even as a 59 win team they couldn’t win one game in 2018
NikoLA was worse. The Lakers rested LeBron and AD all year keeping them fresh only for Jokic to slaughter them
@@yunopepper76LeBron and AD have at least beaten Jokic in the playoffs before. The Raptors never did that and LeBron with Love and Irving (6-2 including a 2017 sweep) and 4-0’d them in 2018 after Kyrie left. Toronto was the #1 seed in the East too that last time. Most of those games weren’t even close either.
@@carteebrown4845 them being the 1 seed don’t change the fact that the Raptors were garbage any version of Derozan isn’t taking you to a ring
@ They weren’t great, but garbage is a stretch.
As much as I love clowning on LeBron, LeBronto is something else especially when LeBron was at his weakest beating pre-Kawhi Toronto at its peak
Any team in the west could have clowned the weakass teams in the eastern conference those yes
Pre-Kawhi Toronto was overrated af
Lebronto clearly jokic is only doing this to LA because Rob blew up the original team and threw the multiple big man blueprint in the trash. We all saw what Minnesota did to the nuggets last year even gave them a 45 point blow out because they played big with multiple bigs. The lakers always lose to teams with size because Davis is a pf not a true 5, he’s a great small ball 5 but when’s its old school big line ups the lakers get out rebounded and embarrassed.
Sounds like an excuse lol. LA has been trash since the worthless bubble
@ it’s not excuse it’s actually simple logic look at the teams that play with size that the lakers lose to they always lose the rebounding battles and the facts that you didn’t give any stats to back up your claim proves my point of just a random statement. Sorry to burst your bubble but the bubble was the purest form of basketball no excuses because everyone had time to get healthy, no distractions, no travel so no jet lag, no home court advantage. Plus you clearly weren’t watching basketball in 2020 because the lakers were the best team that season and lead the league in blocks. Lbj finished 2nd in mvp and Davis was 2nd dpoy.
Hahah what a sad excuse. You're using the roster as an excuse but forget Jokic is playing AD AND FUCKING LEBRON, not fucking bums like Lowry and DeRozan who were never winning SHIT.
@@jj10176Jamal Murray was hurt and they are playing in glorified LA Fitness in Disney land that is a total fluke no surprise been dominated in regular type games/season since
@@davis2k1234 just say you weren’t watching basketball because murray wasn’t hurt when he was trading 50 ball games with Donavan Mitchell. He wasn’t hurt when they came back from 3-1 against the clippers. He definitely wasn’t hurt when he was averaging 25 and 7 against the lakers. Just because you choose to believe this the same laker is you choosing ignorance considering lbj and davis are the only guys left from that team. The lakers aren’t even an elite rim protecting and good rebounding team since that season, just like they haven’t been 1st seed since that season.
Biggest difference is Lebronto feels like Lebron dominance, NikoLA feels like Nuggets dominance
Exactly jokic is great but murray is also liting up LA
Idk 28/16/10 is crazy. Definitely Jokic domination, if you took off Lebron and a Jokic LA would beat nuggets every time
@@Apwolsopcjrhei Murray averaged a triple dub on 50/40/90 shooting against the lakers the year they won the chip. id say hes getting his too
Lebronto was literally the Raptors being ass. The cavs went 7 in every other eastern playoff series.
@@arizonaFIREentya so pathetic cause that same “Lebronto” team loses in the finals and NOW it’s he has no help it’s a team sport. But when he wins “oh it’s all LeBron” smh
As a Raptors fan, LeBronto was worse. Because even after we won the title, we still get laughed at for what LeBron did to us. I'm now happy that the Nuggets are delivering a dose (albeit not the same dose) of karma. And a bit more of irony: LeBron tortured an entire country, only fitting for Jamal Murray (a Canadian) to consistently torture LeBron going forward
Its gotta be LeBronto. The shots he was hitting were unbelievable and he was the one making thebgame winning shots. Lakers didnt dismantke their core after NikoLA
The Dom Curse is worse
The difference to me is that jokic simply dominates the lakers , meanwhile Lebron was just toying with the raptors WHILE embarrassing them
Did you not see Jokic throwing up straight bs AD looked scared
@ a lot of shots was low shot clock situations (and they were absolutely crazy) but Lebron was spinning the ball in players faces , taking long two fadeaways with plenty of time on the clock .. he just wasn’t taking them serious
@@JustAnAccountLmao810Demar Raptors are first round exit team if they were in the West so meh. Jokic dominating AD and Lebron is far more impressive. Don't bring me the Lebron is old argument because late 30s Lebron still way better player than Demar ever was.
considering that Murray, particularly in the playoffs, turns into either a prime Michael Jordan in terms of overall production or clutch gene, or both, i’ll go with LeBronto. at least playoff-wise. Murray has been almost just as valuable as Jokic in Lakers series.
LeBron also never lost to Toronto in the playoffs, the Lakers gentlemen swept the Nuggets in 2020
That's a lie. He was not as good as Jokic in 2024
@ “prime Jordan in terms of clutch gene” he hit back to back game winners that were absolutely absurd. and overall, it’s about even, because he was better than Jokic and frankly had one of the best playoff performances in the history of basketball in 2023. you need to work on reading comprehension.
Brother that’s an absolute lie. Jokic has been the most impactful vs LA nearly every single series if not every single one. Outside of 2018, Bron had Kyrie to aid him against Toronto so your argument can then be used against you.
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 in the 2024 series Murray averaged 24/5/7 on 40/29/86 percent. Nikola Jokic averaged 28/16/10 on 59/33/93 percent. It was not better
In 2023 Jokic averaged a triple double and WCF MVP. Murray played much better in that series tho
@@patrick05Morgan you’re wrong. 1. the Cavs beat Toronto in 2015 with Kyrie barely playing, he played like 20 minutes total, and Kyrie wasn’t on the team in 2018-so you don’t know what you’re talking about. 2. Murray in 2023 against the Lakers is better than *any series* Jokic has played against the Lakers. these are facts. try and debate either of them.
Lakers beating nuggets in 2020 kind of kills that for me so gotta say Lebronto
Exactly yea yea it was the bubble but they did beat denver while Toronto NEVER had a chance
Bingo. This makes it no comp to me.
Damn near 5 years ago and never beat em again in playoffs💀
@EST1266 they've played a total of 3 times in the playoffs, though.
@@EST1266no shit sherlock. The series still happened though
‘NikoLA’ is fire 😂😂🤣🤣
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LeBronto and its not close. LeBronto was more like LeEasternConference. Dude had a choke hold on that conference for 8 solid years.
Because it was T R A S H. Like generational trash, if DeRozan was in the west he wouldn't sniff the second round.
@@tingol10I guess the Celtics and 76ers weren’t a thing then
@@derrick5723You mean teams that would’ve been bounced in the 1st round in the West?
@@CavsFanDallasFanSinceFebruary I don’t want to hear the east weaker than the west argument it’s been that way for years.
@@derrick5723bruh those teams are no where near as good as any of the teams in the west at the time.
LeBronto simply off of the longevity of it. Derozan was literally drafted into losing to this man. HOWEVER NikoLA is crazy because he is legit beating 2 star players and the most popular franchise in the NBA , BADLY lmfao
We should have one with steph and the rockets
I hate this comp.
LeBron is 39. He, AD, and Reaves all performed great its just Jokic is that good and Ham is a terrible coach
Lowry and DeRozan became DeFrozen and were the higher seed.
Maybe if they win again this playoffs and LeBron/AD/Reaves underperform. But still LeBron would be 40 so it doesn't mean that much. Also the Lakers beat the Nuggets in 2020 when LeBron was 35.
That's what I'm saying. These people are acting like jokic is dominating a prime lebron with a prime AD. Lebron is nearly 40. It's clear what the more impressive thing is. And there is no way prime lebron with prime AD is getting swept by anyone not named the kd warriors.
Ham and Casey are terrible Coaches.
Derozan and Lowry vs Kyrie and LeBron? They were never even close to being a problem. While AD and LeBron vs Jokic and Murray is even in those years
LeBron being 40 is not an excuse because y’all love to say he the goat after getting swept
It’s simply LeBRONTO because the lakers beat the nuggets before in the bubble but the raptors NEVER beat the Cavs every time they went to the playoffs it was a sweep or damn near.
The Nuggets own the Lakers. Nikola Jokic by himself DOES NOT own the Lakers. On the other hand, Lebron James did own the Raptors. Heck, he still does.
literally no he doesn't the raptors have beat him more than he's beat them since he became a laker lol stop being delusional
@@Xaden023that's not part of Lebronto. Are you slow?
idk bout all that bro lol LA had never lost a playoff series to denver til 2023. this is definitley attributed to jokic
@@UncleCheekClappa Those Raptors were just as fake as the Hawks in the weakest eastern conference ever. Do you actually think Lowry and fucking DeRozan were EVER winning a chip?
@@UncleCheekClappaSo when Lebron teams win it is all Lebron but when they lose it is a team sport?
As somebody from Toronto who’s a Raptors fan I can tell you it’s Lebronto. Truly embarrassing that one player completely owned our team.
We literally rejoiced when LeBron signed with LA just because he wasn’t in our conference anymore
Y,all are weak af 😂
Fax
As a Serbian raps fan, seeing NikoLA heals my soul
Nikola lost to the Lakers in the playoffs, LeBron never lost to the Raptors in the playoffs
No shit, way to state the obvious lol
@willemdaho3 why are you so angry?
@lebronium gonna cry?
That Lakers team was stacked as fuck, Jokic played with a corpse of Milsap and Will "3/15" Barton. Meanwhile LeBron had the hardest path of beating Lowry/DeRozan Raptors (LMAO) and Horford/Korver Hawks (ROFL)
@@tingol10 “stacked as fuck” is an insane exaggeration and you know it. Not as big of a talent discrepancy as these Nuggets-Lakers series where they’re a team pretty much designed to lose to the Nuggets. It’s an awful matchup.
I don’t think is even close to the same, LeBron literally DOMINATED Toronto. Nuggets as a team is breaking LA. But it never looks like actual player bullying a whole team. Jamal has done as much same damage to the lakers as Nikola so it’s far from the same
Why is this even a question. Its lebronto by far. That man basically made an entire franchise rethink EVERYTHING.
King Bron ain't gonna accept this level of disrespect. He will come for his Vengence
😂 😂
Can something really be worse than giving up and not fighting anymore? ("If he was on out team...")
well one was lebron being lebron and the other is more like jamal murray being unguardable against la and no one else in the league. they dont have anyone to defend quick guards
2:58 this to me summarizes LeBronto and this one Lowry’s face too 6:14 😂😂
You’ve mastered how to keep it exciting!
Great to see great NBA youtubers giving each other a shoutout in the intros. First it was Johny Arnett giving a shoutout to Dom a few days ago, and now its Dom giving a shoutout to Swishout.
LeBronto. He beat the Raptors when they were supposed to be toe to toe with his Cavs in coming out of the East
So you think a DeRozan/Lowry Raptors were bigger favorites for the title than LeBron/AD Lakers??? Bro you don't know ball...
Lebron hated Canada 😭
Bron actually beat the nuggets on his way to a ring. His battles with Toronto weren’t even close and he would start free styling on them😭😭😭 and in 2018 Toronto won 59 games and were favorites and lebron had no teammates. The nuggets lebron series everyone knew lebron was supposed to lose and they were still close games in both series. Lebrom made Toronto trade their franchise player and demar said “if they had lebrom” they would have won 😭😭😭😭😭 they had to fire their coach of the year. Banging game winners on their heads. Also Jamal Murray just plays out of body versus the Lakers. Him and mpj. Lebron had raps players tell them where to be and they were on podcasts years later talk about it 😭 also lebron is NOT in his prime
I remember going into that 2018 semi conference finals having no faith in the Raptors lmao I think I picked the Cavs in 5
Any other team in the East that year and they absolutely have a shot but it felt like they just knew they had no chance against LeBron despite the Cavs being terrible
bro jok the goat
Far from
Jokic doing lebronto to lebronto 😮
As a Jokic Fan, it has to be LeBronto. The raptors won the chip after lebron left the east
Because they had Kawhi. Lebron went to the west and missed the playoffs. LeBron would have lost to the 2019 version of the Raptors.
I haven’t even watched but nothing has anything on lebronto, I haven’t even heard of the other one ever
Lebronto native here, it's probably worse, but we'll see how NikoLA progresses
The only thing you missed was that other players(role players) on their teams rise when they play either Toronto/LA.
We beat the Nuggets in 2020, and the Raptors never had a chance of beating LeBron. 💀 it's not close
The 2020 Nuggets and the 2023 Nuggets are two very different teams.
And the lakers are never going to beat the nuggets again
@LonelyHoops your damn right
@@superiorgaming9399 i know
@@superiorgaming9399no they aren’t
I think a crucial thing is denver has been the better team roster wise for years and denver doesnt only have jokic pop off the rest of the team does. Lebronto was a man toying with a franchise lmfao
Well since I’ve never heard of NikoLA you have a pretty evident answer 😂😂
You been my favorite channel for years now. I seen a Dom2k vid I said FUCK THE KNICKS GAME 😂😂😂😂GOOD UP upload 💪🏿
1 was a team beating the lakers and the other is Lebron beating a team
Lebronto had the raptors players saying out loud they had no answer for Bron, that man terrorized an entire city/country hoops wide
Nah Nikola is definitely impressive but LA definitely beat him. Lebronto didn’t win a ring until Kawhi came & Bron left.
Nikola would’ve lost more than half of them games if it wasn’t for Murray. Can’t say the same for any Lebronto games so it’s literally not every close
The only reason why I think this is a narrative is because Joker’s play elevates even higher when playing LA. His desire to whoop their ass is staggering. Lebronto was way worse, but Bron didn’t rise to beat the raptors he played like his usually dominant self.
When an unstoppable force (Lebron) meets an immovable object (Jokic). I don’t see Lakers ever winning against a healthy Nuggets team in a 7 game series.
Lebronto. Lebron cooked that city for years but not even just the raptors but the entire eastern conference. Since LeBron has been in LA there’s been a different team from the east in the finals every year.
Joker maybe the best player in the NBA but his entire team turns up against the lakers. It’s not even hidden, but watching the nuggets team as a whole they all try harder against the lakers.
Thank you Dom!
Let's also not forget the New York Jordanbockers and the Russellkers.
Lebronto (at least during 2018) was truly just bron dismantling them. Jokic destroys the lakers but Murray also for some reason becomes star level when playing LA
I think these situations are similar more so because both franchises fail to really match up against the stars(Lebron and jokic). Especially the lakers to have only AD and not have a real big off the bench is uh big issue besides 2020
At first i thought it was recency bias but, it’s been 4 years since the 2020 WCF. And the Nuggets have had the Lakers number. Each time Jokic suits up against Lebron he shows out
I think its funny to see how both of these involve LeBron
LeBronto def was more impactful but the Raps eventually got a ring, NikoLA basically slammed any window of LeBron winning more rings shut
Lebronto is more dominating but nikoLA is more embarrassing because they consistently sold in the clutch and people legit thought the lakers had a chance yet it didn’t matter we KNEW Denver was finna walk em down
Is the outro music not from a level in Ratchet & Clank?
Jokic bout to beat that poor old man into retirement
LeBronto hands down 🤣🤣🔥was different had Mfs in the locker room literally crying and having breakdowns fr that mental defeat was horrible
What is this? Lebron beat them and won a chip in 2020. Case closed nothing comes close to LeBronTO
you literally didn’t have to watch a whole series because you knew who was winning lol
This is bait and you know it XD
NikoLA isn't a thing and never will be a thing - these are two completely different scenarios
Toronto was a consistently good reg season team who always got demolished by lebron (like everyone else)
LA since 2020 hasn't been much of a team so anything past the 1st or 2nd round has been a surprise for them
Lebronto not even a discussion bron just old and has an inferior team than Denver now Toronto was just pretrafied of bron he even has a whole country named after him lol
LeBron fans swear DeRozan and Lowry were winning ring after ring before he showed up . Goes to show how bad the East was if they were the best team in the
Toronto went all in the moment he moved Conference. A first round pick, DeMar Derozan, for a year service of Kawhi. Most time when trade like this happened the player and franchise have some deal for possible extension.
The 2028 Olympics are set to be held in Los Angeles, it is written.
Bron literally dismantled teams in the West and East and went to the finals for 8 straight years like it's not going to stop 😂
I am personally fond of Smoove's "Craptors" moniker
Idk why people tend to forget that the Lakers beat the Nuggets on their way to a Championship. LeBronto was an absolute dominance that went on even longer.
NikoLA bro, dude has 0 all star teammates and has been dominanting LeNepotism and his all star teammates for 2 seasons now
would still say lebronto
before nikoLA was a thing, the lebron-jokic rivalry was starting to blossom in the 2020 WCF, which lebron won, and the rivalry seemed to be on equal footing until the 2023 WCF
for lebronto, lebron went 12-2 against the raptors, the latter never beating him in the playoffs, and although lebron and the raptors have gone back-and-forth against each other since he left the cavs, the raptors still haven't beaten him in the playoffs
the raptors didn’t win until that mf left and it costed them their franchise player. i’ve never seen a player treat another franchise like it was a game of horse why are we even having this convo?😭😭
Lebronto is a different beast, especially during 2018. Worst form Cavs vs Best form toronto (atleast pre Kawhi) and Lebron still bodied them 💀
The Lakers beat the Nuggs in 2020. LeBronto is way more dominant
Salute to demar but saying “if we had lebron we woulda won too” is INSANE. Idc if the other team had Thor and the hill you CANT say that
If the lakers got another athletic C to do a double lineup they would beat Denver in the reg season. KAT and Rudy gave Jokic fits. AD/Javale/Dwight gave Jokic problems aswell. Lakers hasn’t had a solid defensive C since. With Toronto, they needed a Kawhi/Siakam type to beat Lebron. 18 Lebron had a way weaker team but the lakers are better than Toronto but Lebron is old. 07-18 Lebron on this lakers team would beat Denver.
Lebronto is the peak of Lebrons dominance over East, even at his weaker days at Cavs he dispached them like nothing,it wasnt just Toronto it was all the teams that tried before Lebronto is just the peak of east not matching up with Lebron
Bruh dominating lowry and derozen isnt a flex that his fans think it is
12:45 The Lakers are the better team. They have a top 5 MVP candidate who was the only player last year to make first team NBA and first team defense. Their depth is crazy. The Lakers 4th best scorer would be Joker's 2nd option. Joker has literally never played with another all-star until this year with an old Russ.
LeBronto was worse but like, something has to be said for the Nuggets being the worse team and still dominating LA. If you remember last year's playoffs all the analysts were picking LA to upset Denver, calling it a matchup nightmare, unfinished business, etc. And like you pointed out, Toronto was a good regular season team, but everybody knew they were chokers.
Lebron vs Toronto
Jokic vs Lakers
And u can throw in Steph vs Portland in it too
Absolute biggest owning of one players in the last 10 years
PortStephland?
I totally forgot about curry vs Portland. Bro was straight feasting against them
@@drupieuwu2203 bro might have the biggest own out of these
i would say one of the bigger differences between the two is that lakers team that beat them in 2020 was the best team the lakers have had to this day in the LBJ Lake era. Whereas by the time the Raps saw LBJ in 2018 that was the best team they had up to that point in LebronTO and the worst CAvs team lebron had in that era.
In saying that If the lakers make some good trades this year they make playoffs and see Jokic again and the nuggets win especially by sweep, I think the niuggets not as good this year, that would be NikoLA
I’m torn because LeBronto was a real phenomenon that took on some hilarious memes and led to the complete reconstruction of the Raptors. However, and I’m a Laker fan so I’ve had the misfortune of watching every matchup since this meme started, NikoLA has been absolutely nasty to the point it made LeBron who is one of the greatest players the game has ever seen go “it’s just basketball” like it didn’t mean shit to get the hell beat out of you for 4 straight games
Steph, Kobe, MJ would never have any stuff like NikoLA bullshit 😂
NikoLA happened recently and I didn't see Lebronto so that's probably the more dominant
Mark Jones coined “LeBronto” while calling the game. I think we know the answer
Two simple things that make LeBronto better. The number he put up were more impressive than what jokic put up. The second thing is this is a 38 and 39 year old lebron. Jokic is not dominating prime lebron and prime AD. He's dominating prime AD and 39 year old lebron. It's clear what was more impressive.
That rui tweet has me tearing rn 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😢
LeBronto for sure… if anyone says otherwise they need a mental health screening 💀
NikoLA it’s not close making a “great player “ retire I hate seeing so much caping for one person 💀
Personally i think the LA/Jokic is strong but its contested at times, where as Lebronto as i grew up with and looking back on, was ALWAYS just comedically one sided