Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - Speaker Comparisons
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- People forget what a huge difference the speaker makes.
Same amp, same settings, same performance, same mic, only big variable is different speakers.
WGS ET65
WGS Veteran 30
Avatar A50
Stock Eminence "Special Design for Fender"
Also watch this one to hear a Deluxe with the WGS G12C:
• '69 Deluxe Reverb Part...
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The owner went with the Avatar A50, and you can hear that here:
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From playing all these speakers in the room and playing much more than what you hear in this video, I see why people like the A50. It does a cool thing on cleans, and has a funky compressed sound when driven. The Veteran 30 and ET65 are a bit more versatile, without the speakers imposing their own overtones when driven.
Put it this way - A50 if you're Tom Petty, ET65 if you're Mike Campbell.
Thanks for comparison! Could you suggest some speaker to increase a mid range and maybe allow a bit earlier breakup for my DRRI? Actually the breakup it's nice to have, but the midrange is a main target. I like my DRRI, but the scooped Jensen sounds boom and harsh, always I reduce the base in around 2 and half, but again - where is the mid range. I already thinking about install the 100 KA pot in addition to 6.8K resistor to allow mid tone settings, but maybe the speaker replacement can provide the midrange acoustically, I don't know. What you suggest? Thanks!
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I can see why. It is closest to the Jensen but not as bright. I preferred the 65 or 30. Not as bright a tad darker but I think the 65 had a bit more clarity than the 30. Then again, that 50 was pristine as a much better sounding amp that is still making me rethink my 1st choices.
Good choice IMO.
Man, those WGS speakers stole the show, in my opinion. The stock speaker is just lifeless, and the Avatar sounds like a bag of razor blades.
The avatar is godly. Thank you for addressing the aural memory thing. It drives me nuts when people do that during comparisons.
That Avatar A50 sounds killer. Surprised just how different, thanks for the comparison! It seems just changing the speaker and reverb tank on my Deluxe Reverb RI will make a huge difference, like having a new amp almost!
You work to hard, but we appreciate it. Have a great weekend.
In another one of your videos you recently mentioned that everyone likes *any* speaker except the stock drri speaker.
I total get it now.
I love that alnico brightness
I thought the ET 65 sounded the best overall. Avatar seemed to have the most cut and focussed mids but sounded a bit harsher than either WGS. Stock speaker sounded like ass compared to all the others. Really good video.
Love the Avatar openness!
Great video! ET65 for me. I run one in my 2x12. Fantastic speaker.
The Avatar sounds great. Thanks for taking the time to share this test.
I could see the Avatar maybe being a little spiky in the room, but it recorded fantastically, and the low end was really really nice.
Excellent, excellent comparison! Looper is definitely the way to do it.
(The Avatar, by a mile!)
My favorite tone in this video was his voice. How do I get my deluxe reverb to sound like that?
ET65 is the winner for me. I have a WGS Reaper in my Deluxe Reverb but the ET65 sounds just as good. Stock speaker even when matching volume level to the others still sounds blah!
WGS Veteran 30 was the one I liked the most definitely 👍🏻
Avatar owns all....not just volume, but more open and lively, I'm getting one now!
The depth and clarity of the Avatar. Hands down the best.
I am running two Fender DRRI's, one is stock/clean (Black) and one I bought used modded (Brown) by a Harp player to breakup early and is a bit dirty. The stock has a "Special Design Jensen" and the dirty has a "Eminence Vintage" that breaks up around 3 and is louder than the stock model that starts breakup around 5. I have had thoughts to make the stock model even cleaner with a speaker change but do not know a lot about that stuff so this Video is a great introduction. I have had recommendations for a high output JBL.
I've got a special edition Deluxe Reverb with a Celestion Gold AlNiCo. It sounds fantastic to me.
Really liked both the WGS speakers! That would be a versatile cabinet to have, or make the difficult decision of which to use as a replacement for the combo. Thanks!
That avatar sounded great through my headphones. To my ear it Sounded like it pushes right up to that boundary but never crosses into the harsh territory! Crazy how dark the stock speaker is, sounded like there was a blanket over it or something!! Love speaker comparisons thanks for this!!!
Veteran and Avatar are the most pleasing to my ears...?
Thanks for doing this for us😎👍
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The new Dr Z Octal SIX has a Warehouse speaker in it , that would be an interesting one to throw in the mix .
Those WGS speakers sound warm . Thanks for comparison .
WGS ET65 is definitely my favorite. The most balanced, and least harsh.
This was incredibly helpful! Thank you so much for making this!
I like the consistency of the Veteran 30. It’s consistently not harsh and smoother than the other 3, to my ears. The avatar seemed very bright on an already bright amp. I have been plugging into the vibrato channel 2 on my drri because it’s less bright since it’s minus -6 db from channel 1. Not sure if it bypass bright cap but seems to level things and take off some top end.
Great comparison sir! Much more useful than most others specifically because of aural memory. The WGS speakers sound best to me overall. The stock is quite soft in the high end and very bottom, more mid-bass.
Thanks for this, it was really interesting. I kind of liked the Avatar each time but maybe because it jumped out at you and slapped you lol. In the end I think i preferred the Veteran. I admit though I love my Jensen P12n above all others
alll those speakers sound almost the sane! except for the eminence wich is probably the best for that amp because it darker and fender are so fucking bright!
Nice job, thanks for doing this. That bright Avatar does sound great, but part of it has to be the cabinet, too? I really liked the Veteran... listen to the punchy chords in the last segment, Veteran and Avatar are sound closer to each other than in other segments.
For Country music A50 but rock blue ET 65 for my ear.
The stock speakers sounds best... the others are too trebly.
It has a more subtle sound that could easily be brighter if you wanted by turning up the treble. .. which most people do. The DR cab is not as in your face as the others.
The bottom left wgs sounds good too maybe with treble turned down.
Wow that stock speaker is super muddy. I like the Avatar the best in every example
The warehouse speakers were the winner for me. The 65 if I had to choose. The alnico gave that mid punch sparkle which is great! But not in this situation. The stock emi was horrible, and I was a big fan of the legend series before WGS came along.
Even after I adjusted levels to bring the Avatar and the speakers in the 2x, I still really like better it by a pretty big margin. That stock speaker is a crime against art.
Yeah, the A50 is a very cool sound. Much more upper mid-range focused than the more traditional "Fender" speakers. Has a less liquid low end than the ET65 or G12C, different high frequency emphasis.
The owner chose an A50 after hearing this, so one will be here soon to live in this DR.
So I think everyone can agree that while there are multiple great choices for this amp, the stock Eminence isn't one (neither is the stock C12K in more recent RIs but I'll show that later).
Note: I am not slamming Eminence. They make many many great sounding speakers, including great ones for DRs. Just not the one Fender contacted them to make.
The Eminence Texas Heat, GA12-SC64, EM12 & Weber 12F125 30 watt and 12F150 50 watt are all killer choices for these amps(currently own all of them). If cost is a huge factor, the Texas Heat can be had for a song used. Very efficient/loud and tonally fitting the Blackface vibe.
Weber builds killer stuff and do a fantastic job of building a vintage voiced speaker, I prefer the 12F150 in DR’s. Even the Italian Jensen C12N is good IMO, much much much better than the C12K.
Awwwww damn...i have the C12k, and im still trying to decide what i have around that sounds better.
Ive got a bunch of vintage 12s around, so i guess its time to do some of my own comparisons.
Super helpful comparison, thank you so much!
Thanks for this comparison! I needed this!
I liked the Avatar A50 but it seem to be a bit hotter in the signal vs the others. The WGS sounded good too (coming from a non celestion speaker user)
Yeah, the WGS ET65 would be my choice for an all around speaker. That's a closed back cab? which definitely rounds out the sound. Top end is more reserved and the lows enhanced but the sound, especially on your last demo (rockin' chords) really showed off the WGS speakers.
I missed that the stock one was an eminence... Until 7 minutes in... ? I guess I thought they all had stock Jensens like mine...
My feelings aren't hurt or anything, but I have to admit I have no understanding of the Dislikes. What is there to dislike here?
Hey! I just "discovered" you this afternoon. Totally great content. I have been working on all sorts of electronics for about 30 years including fixing guitar and bass amps for about 10 years. Your channel is a delight! As far as the thumbs downs go, there are a lot of broken people out there - I think some folks follow channels and give thumbs down on everything because of some sort of beef. Maybe think of it like "At least they care enough to show up" Also, I hear that thumbs down are still interaction and is viewed as being a good thing for the algorithm.
Hi-great channel,love your whole approach: straight shooter with an attitude that is kept in check, great sense of humor, honest to a fault type guy. Someone I can relate to and would certainly value a friendship with. Oh, and about those dislikes…haters gonna hate…and some folks click dislike just to yank your chain and make you second guess them or yourself. Like Warren Zevon’s dad’s best advice “Fuck ‘em, just fuck em’ all”. 😜 Joel
Veteran 30. The Avatar was great too but a bit too much "in your face". I'm sure some EQ-ing would help.
Yeah, I think the Avatar is very much a "character" speaker. Fantastic for specific styles of rhythm guitar (Petty, Richards, Tweedy, similar). But not as versatile as others.
Great comparison, thank you.
Thanks for this video! Do you remember if the DRRI here had the bright cap removed? I'm about to remove the bright cap in mine and replace the C12K with a WGS ET65, really like that tone in this video (and I really love the Celestion G12-65 in my Suhr Badger cab). Thanks for your channel, love it!
Thanks! I’m pretty sure this DRRI was still stock as heard here, with the bright cap in place.
I am wondering if you can help me? I currently looking to buy a used Mesa Dual Rectifier as it has been on my bucket-list for over twenty years. Yes, I'm aware that most techs hate working on boogies, but how difficult is it to maintain/repair and find parts for this specific model? I'm specifically looking to get either a two channel revisions "F" OR "G," or the first generation 3 channel version (not the multi-watt). From what I understand, It can be difficult to get schematics from boogie, but seeing how the preamp design is the same as a Soldano SLO 100, would it still be difficult to access the design layout? Basically, what I'm asking is how much of a risk would it be to buy one used? Thank you, p.s. I just found your channel & I love it. I'll be sure to like and subscribe.
No risk of it being unserviceable, though have it checked out by a good tech while the optocouplers used for switching are still available. Those are obsolete components that won't be around much longer.
And expect it to need service - Mesa does a lot of really dumb things that nuke diodes, use coupling caps with too low a DC voltage rating, really poor quality pots, etc.
They aren't well built or "designed" and they are expensive to service, but they can be serviced.
They are no better than a Peavy 5150 or 6150 (whatever they changed the model number to) but they cost a lot more.
@@PsionicAudio Thanks for the reply. I'll be sure to take your advice and I can't wait for more of your content.
Funny as I have been a Fender Amp guy since my first Twin (70's) however I have had some recent Fender's I have been disappointed with. I had GB Model crap out in the first month but it was replaced. Also a newer low use DRRI that developed issues (heats up and loses volume) fixed twice now. I do have a Mesa Mark V 35 that I love now for all it does. My current Twin is a special anniversary blond issue that does sound incredible for my cleans.
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Ditto is great for comparison s because no Matter how u try can never play the same. But that makes it 100 percent same
This amp shines with a dark speaker that has high sensitivity
(100 db or better), I like celestion G12H30 55 hz with replacement nomex paper voice coils and Boss Blues Driver
Big fan of the Eminence GA SC64
Got one coming tomorrow as a replacement for the stock speaker. Still happy with the ga sc64 sound?
@@ruffryder13 still rockin the SC64's in my 66 Twin
@@Billywagner22 think it still sounds good when pushed...if thats even possible with your twin? (I'm hoping it at least holds midrange nicely still when loud.)
Another very informative presentation; well done.
I have a request, if I'm not being too presumptuous. I'd like to learn more about modern channel-switching amps: the topology, power supply, placement within the circuit and the chassis, how to determine the best relays, etc. Short of one of your videos, anything you could do to point me in the right direction would be appreciated...
Thanks!
Start with this:
www.valvewizard.co.uk/Book1.html
I liked the Avatar best, by a long shot! It sounds great! I liked the Fender the least!!
The Avatar really does sound good with a DR for an awful lot of stuff. But it's very much a "character" speaker. The two WGS are more versatile, and can sound more like the Avatar with different knob settings.
I explained it to someone as "The Avatar is great for Tom Petty but Mike Campbell wouldn't always dig it."
Also note that with either of the WGS speakers each speaker was getting half of the amp's output while the Avatar and stock were getting the full power. So that makes the Avatar a bit louder. And shames the stock speaker even more.
Fanes are what went into Hiwatts.
That might be something to evaluate later.
Awesome vid my friend, thank you! WOW I'm the owner of a 65 drri most enlightening wondered why it sounded BLA A50 sang like a bird compared to stock, would love to have you work on my amp what a difference it would make ! no bs let me know?
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My feelingsc aren't hurt or anything, but I have to admit I have no understanding of the Dislikes. What is there to dislike here?
If you're going to obsess over the dislikes, UA-cam is going to become hell for you. Having someone dislike your video isn't necessary any form of useful criticism. For all any of us know, someone gave you the thumbs down because your voice reminds them of a someone they hate. Right now, you're seeing below 2% dislikes to likes. I'm pretty sure that's a 98%+ which is about as close as you can come to being perfect.
For those of us who like this subject, you content is first rate. Hang in there and you'll see the same kind of following develop as Uncle Doug and DLabs.
I definitely wouldn't worry about it 🙂. I follow some fantastic youtube channels and there are always dislikes. There seems to be a consistent number of dislikes on every video regardless of how good it is. Maybe it reflects the number of people around who are just too miserable to move on if they're watching something they don't find interesting.
i'm going to guess that some would prefer you switched the speaker into the same cab so it was a closer AB, and replicate mic placement easier, and get some youtuber coloured string lights in the background and some shelves with pedals, and racks with amp heads, a flashy intro clip, some inset shots, expensive camera gear, ring light, etc. - ha, jk! Likes from me all around though. I thought was a great vid. A50 was neat, but I've got to think that gets spikey and maybe starts to be problematic with some ods? I would love to try the A50, but have have a G12 heritage and it's got this "brittle" top end (awesome for clean with touch of break up, but fatiguing with crunchy rock tones; for me anyway) which I thought I was hearing on the A50, and it kind of gets annoying once your ear picks it up for the day. I actually liked the your V30, prob because I run my drri through a celstion V30 now, and like it. anyway great vid!
G12h Heritage is my go to speaker
Hey man, I really appreciate your speaker comparison videos. I’m currently on a 77’ Princeton Reverb that I inherited and been playing for a couple years (love it) but picked up a Custom Deluxe RI (silverface) thats in the mail for a bit more headroom for gigging. I’ve played lots of DRRI’s, and I know the stock speaker has got to go and wondered if you’d have any input. I play a 335 knockoff, so buckers and semi hollow. In your comparison, the Warehous et65 sounds the best to me, or sounds like what I’m looking for, followed by the Veteran. I also watched your video on the WGS G12 and sounds good but hard to compare obviously.
Long and the short is what is your take on speaker preference with your (I’m assuming) 335?? Thanks again man!
Thanks Seth. Is it too late for you to send back the ‘68 and get a ‘65? The 68 just has so many problems. With a better speaker you’ll just hear the hiss more.
As to the speaker for a DR and a 335 it depends on your stylistic tastes. Looking for Robben Ford or Jay Graydon or big clean with sparkle?
Point made, thank you. I'm not familiar with those speakers up here in Canada though, was hoping for some that came in Fender amps or a Weber. No prob though, point made!
Don't miss this one:
ua-cam.com/video/n_S3i4semAY/v-deo.html
The eminence stock sounded like a wet sock. I give a slight edge to the ET 65 but the Avatar sounds great too
Thank you !
Avatar A50 and WGS ET65 sound very good to me. The other two sound bland to me.
Great stuff...thanks.
Sounds like the Avatar has the higher efficiency of this collection. Definitely helps it jump out a bit.
Yeah, which surprised me as the two WGS are also very efficient. Maybe it's that they were each getting half the wattage and the Avatar was getting all of it. That's a hard one to wrap your head around, at least for me with only one cup of coffee.
@@PsionicAudio Hah! I need much more than a cup to wrap my head around anything these days! I have an Eminence Legend 1518 in one of my extension cabs and it hovers around 103db efficiency. There's a good chance that you'll piss the neighbors off with just a tweed Princeton hooked to it. Would have deep-sixed it a long time ago, but it is an awesome sounding speaker!
@@mcraeaudioconcepts9757 I love my 1518! Given that my hands down favorite used to be the Weber Alnico family, having the Eminence 1518 take the throne was somewhat of a surprise. Special mention to the Eminence Man O' War. Still, my go to 2-12 cabinet has a Celestion G12h 30w Anniversary paired with the WGS Veteran 30 which, when pushed, can sound amazing.
I just found this channel and have been enjoying everything I am learning. Thanks Psionic Audio, please keep the excellent work coming.
@@kendipietro6855 are you on the sewatt forums? Your name looks familiar :0)
I am on the Wattkins family of sites. Have we met?
Avatar man...hands down
Awesome comparison. I like speakers that are warm when played clean in general like you have in the 2x12, but I rarely like speakers with those attributes when being pushed hard with a DS-1. The speaker in the middle is the kind where I like pushing it hard, reminds me of the tone of my vintage Jensen C12r. The eminence just sounds tired from too much playing, probably a model they used a lot of cheap adhesives breaking down now. Needs a solid recone job, preferably a hempopotamus cone.
I liked the Avatar ET-65 best.
Where is alnico blue?
6:20 for the . . . impatient.
Dr. Z seems to sound the loudest. I think the Fender speaker came in last here.
Can a Deluxe Reverb Reissue fit an EVM12L? Thanks!
I'm not sure if there is clearance with the output transformer. EVs are big.
Louder sounds better
Avatar is way loud and a bit harsh to my ear. The ET65 wins this one if I'm the judge. And I already own one.
ET65
wgs et 65
Et65 all the way and the stock spkr sounds awful
Avatar
Dr z none better.
See the video on that Dr Z. Needed a lot of help to sound good.
With respect Dr Z none better
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