As to answer your question about wheelchair boarding from the island platforms via the left side doors, there is a little ramp that slides out the doors. You can see the ramp tucked away under two doors at 4:50. Those ramps slide out onto the platform and serve as a ramp for wheelchairs, etc.
Thanks for the movement shout out! Hopefully the G Line inspires similar efforts in Metro Vancouver! But we're going to have to push for it. Lots of risk that potential BRT projects get watered down.
They should have spec'd those XDE60s with a powered centre axle like Translink's 24000s and Boston's newer Silver Line models. I'm surprised Seattle didn't even consider it considering the route travels up a steep hill...
What a great coincidence! I was learining and doing my research on Seattle's transit network too over the past month because I plan to go visit there just this Wednesday to Saturday! My first time. Nice informative video.
FWIW, I’ve heard from very knowledgeable people that bottoming out on the turn to spring was more an operator not understanding the auto leveling feature of the bus and leaving the stop too quickly for it to reinflate the air bags.
I find NFI saying that they can’t do 5-door XT60s a load of horse shit. How does two doors on the left side of the vehicle prohibit them from installing a trolley pole system instead of a CNG, diesel, or battery electric system?
It is a very interesting video indeed with a left side boarding . I am not sure if that kind of buses will be useful for Metro Vancouver future rapid bus line. Please share some thoughts. thank you.
Wait, I thought Madison was in Wisconsin, not Seattle! It's quite a coincidence that the other Madison also just got a new BRT system, and it's fun seeing how similar they are despite being on near opposite sides of the US. Wisconsin also has center running bus lanes and new five-door articulated buses, though we opted for battery-electric (which apparently New Flyer CAN do despite not being able to do it with trolley buses). Bike racks are in the same spot too, and both systems also use letters for routes. Though I envy Seattle's frequency, Wisconsin's tops out at 4 buses per hour PEAK, with 2 buses per hour after 8pm and on Sundays. I'm also impressed with Seattle only leaving 2 lane for cars, Wisconsin mainly ran it down 6-lane roads to ensure at least 4 car lanes were left, and even then the state DOT made them give up the other two lanes during rush hour (part of it runs along a state route). I'd love to see something similar to Seattle on Monroe St in Wisconsin (currently Route D), but I feel like it would be a large hurdle to get that to happen.
For a smaller city, 4 trips/hour is really good tbh I also think NFI and Skoda etc etc should revisit the 5-door trolley option, but TL/KCM/Dayton/SF Muni would have to be the ones to speak. That proposal to build 5-door XT60 was almost 10 years ago AFAIK. Not to mention the Xcelsior platform as a whole has aged like fine wine. I’ve also heard at least for TransLink, the engine/transmission on the RapidBus units have the ability to be changed into a battery system should the technology in the future allow it to happen.
@@jmstransit Sadly neither Dayton nor San Francisco would likely be interested in 5 door trolleybuses - I haven't been to Dayton since 2021 but it didn't seem like it had enough density or traffic to warrant a BRT line (it didn't seem like it was rapidly expanding either), and San Francisco made the decision to go with side platforms for its center-running Van Ness BRT. Which IMO was the right choice, since it allows other buses like Golden Gate Transit to use them too. TBH I kind of wonder if Wisconsin or Seattle should have gone with side island platforms for the center BRT - it wouldn't have looked nearly as cool and would probably cost more, but it would have allowed regular/local bus routes to also use the stations for easier transfers. I'm not sure about Seattle but currently the local Madison buses have a basic signpost stop next to the big BRT stations, which is quite the contrast and means local bus passengers don't get any shelter. IMO Madison could have handled transfers better. Plus the left side doors take space that could have otherwise been more seats.
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3:57 that drift tho!!!
Had my mouth drop open as I was filming, had to stay silent of course
3:54 might be a better timestamp to rewatch it.
As to answer your question about wheelchair boarding from the island platforms via the left side doors, there is a little ramp that slides out the doors. You can see the ramp tucked away under two doors at 4:50. Those ramps slide out onto the platform and serve as a ramp for wheelchairs, etc.
Great, thanks
Thanks for the movement shout out! Hopefully the G Line inspires similar efforts in Metro Vancouver! But we're going to have to push for it. Lots of risk that potential BRT projects get watered down.
That "drift" seems like a mix of operator error and the traction control system not working properly. What a cool catch though!
They sent it too much. 😂
They should have spec'd those XDE60s with a powered centre axle like Translink's 24000s and Boston's newer Silver Line models. I'm surprised Seattle didn't even consider it considering the route travels up a steep hill...
What a great coincidence! I was learining and doing my research on Seattle's transit network too over the past month because I plan to go visit there just this Wednesday to Saturday! My first time.
Nice informative video.
great timing; lots of BRT and deckers
Don’t ever go south of downtown; stay towards Lynnwood Bellevue and Everett
FWIW, I’ve heard from very knowledgeable people that bottoming out on the turn to spring was more an operator not understanding the auto leveling feature of the bus and leaving the stop too quickly for it to reinflate the air bags.
I find NFI saying that they can’t do 5-door XT60s a load of horse shit. How does two doors on the left side of the vehicle prohibit them from installing a trolley pole system instead of a CNG, diesel, or battery electric system?
It is a very interesting video indeed with a left side boarding . I am not sure if that kind of buses will be useful for Metro Vancouver future rapid bus line. Please share some thoughts. thank you.
Wait, I thought Madison was in Wisconsin, not Seattle!
It's quite a coincidence that the other Madison also just got a new BRT system, and it's fun seeing how similar they are despite being on near opposite sides of the US. Wisconsin also has center running bus lanes and new five-door articulated buses, though we opted for battery-electric (which apparently New Flyer CAN do despite not being able to do it with trolley buses). Bike racks are in the same spot too, and both systems also use letters for routes. Though I envy Seattle's frequency, Wisconsin's tops out at 4 buses per hour PEAK, with 2 buses per hour after 8pm and on Sundays. I'm also impressed with Seattle only leaving 2 lane for cars, Wisconsin mainly ran it down 6-lane roads to ensure at least 4 car lanes were left, and even then the state DOT made them give up the other two lanes during rush hour (part of it runs along a state route). I'd love to see something similar to Seattle on Monroe St in Wisconsin (currently Route D), but I feel like it would be a large hurdle to get that to happen.
For a smaller city, 4 trips/hour is really good tbh
I also think NFI and Skoda etc etc should revisit the 5-door trolley option, but TL/KCM/Dayton/SF Muni would have to be the ones to speak. That proposal to build 5-door XT60 was almost 10 years ago AFAIK. Not to mention the Xcelsior platform as a whole has aged like fine wine.
I’ve also heard at least for TransLink, the engine/transmission on the RapidBus units have the ability to be changed into a battery system should the technology in the future allow it to happen.
@@jmstransit Sadly neither Dayton nor San Francisco would likely be interested in 5 door trolleybuses - I haven't been to Dayton since 2021 but it didn't seem like it had enough density or traffic to warrant a BRT line (it didn't seem like it was rapidly expanding either), and San Francisco made the decision to go with side platforms for its center-running Van Ness BRT. Which IMO was the right choice, since it allows other buses like Golden Gate Transit to use them too.
TBH I kind of wonder if Wisconsin or Seattle should have gone with side island platforms for the center BRT - it wouldn't have looked nearly as cool and would probably cost more, but it would have allowed regular/local bus routes to also use the stations for easier transfers. I'm not sure about Seattle but currently the local Madison buses have a basic signpost stop next to the big BRT stations, which is quite the contrast and means local bus passengers don't get any shelter. IMO Madison could have handled transfers better. Plus the left side doors take space that could have otherwise been more seats.