DISCLAIMER This video was produced by a random student on the internet who loves reading, especially about ancient history and classics. The purpose of my videos is to make classics and ancient history interesting and accessible to everyone. It is important to highlight that I am not a professional or qualified educator, “expert”, historian or classicist. However, I ensure that all the information I use in my video scripts has been collated from numerous credible sources, which I will link in the description box if accessible online. I always work my hardest to deliver thoroughly researched and reliable information in my videos, but please always conduct additional, independent research to formulate a thorough understanding of any topic discussed. Additionally, I am dyslexic, and I will mispronounce words throughout this video, sometimes without realising it. This is not ill-intended or stemming from willful ignorance, and I do make the effort to research how to pronounce words before I start filming, but I often misread my phonetic spelling. In light of this, please do not rely on my video for an authoritative or reliable source of how to pronounce certain words.
Are you a woman? I'll have to take a closer look, if you let me. I don't know anything about axe handles ipso facto I am now a woman. God my wife is going to get a shock when I get home tonight! Love your work.
@@peterlewis7228 I in fact know plenty about axes, and shall educate you, should you wish to become a man in the future. Now I am off to do manly things, like establish ridiculous claims about authors genders based entirely on the voice I made up for the narrator of a book in my head.
I had to think about this one for a while. Isn't more like the book proposing that Homer was written by a woman was itself written by a woman and used a male name as the author. The misuse of Greek in the wrong gender could have been a scribe instead of the original author. As to different authors, the stories could have had different sources and compiled by one author. Obvious neither story is literally true. The author might've used army veteran stories as sources for the Iliad and then follow up with a sequel using naval sailor stories. War stories and sea stories could have been embellished by the veterans and sailors themselves.
We have no idea who actually wrote down the Iliad and the Odyssey but we do know they were passed down orally for generations. They were meant to be chanted out loud.
Ομηρος family is een greek family in Athens. I know this family. The writer of Ιλιαδα and Οδυσσεια was a real person. He did not have red dark colour lips. Respect for the famous greek people.
Its been a few days since i saw the " rome didn't exist "vid. I cant seem to unsee that bear filter, or unhear that willfully ignorant snide voice trilling in my ear, or calm the frustration storm that now plagues my mind that such a video exists. I'm proud of our lady librarian for ,( as politely as possible) taking on such tripe without utterly losing her cool
I would love the comment replies, “You absolute buffoons arguing in my comment section that this imagery is feminine are full of idiotic pretenses. Clearly it is incredibly masculine, what could be more masculine than adorning myself with the features of a massive predator like a bear or a tiger?”
I had heard that the name Homer came from the idea that they weren't the original author, but the person who had written down the oral stories. They were similar to the Grimm brothers.
I have just found out your channel and i'm really happy about it. It's simply marvelous the way you speak about the subjects, well supported, clear and entertaining. And i also loved your accent. Congratulations for the excellent work :)
I have read 'Homer's Daughter', and find it an interesting novel. Whether the hypothesis behind it is true or not, I cannot say; but I do believe that 'Homer' may cover a long tradition of bards reciting traditional stories, using well-honed tropes. I seem to recollect that some Hittite(?) tablets had been found, describing the attack on 'Wilusa' in phrases very similar to those of Homer. After more than 2 1/2 millennia, I doubt that we will ever find any definitive answer.
I LOVE, and think it's so funny 😂, that this guy and his theory are "just" one more evidence of the inherent desire/ hability that humans have... To FanFiction about ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, AT ANYTIME 🤣🤣🤣 And he even inspired others to develop even more fanfics about it 😂😂😂
As a greek who has readen the odessy many times i know that there are a lot of theories but homer that was a man and blind is the more logistical anser because if a woman wrote it she whouldn't have putten so many woman falling in love with odessyes more like the opsisset whould happend and at the and odessyes whould have to leave them. also we know homer was blind because he didn't explain diferent things only normal things that you whould see in a normal day he explained how they look for an exampel when hermes goes to the island that calepso was on.Awsome video btw.
Dubois i love your works, but how's the probability that Homer's description of a man using the axe wrong indicates that the author is female overlap's the probability that men were handling axe's differently than we do today or even a different type of axes ! Even if the oral poet or initial ancient author was a woman (without knowledge of the ancient classicists of the golden age of Athens) i think the vers would have been simply corrected or put on in correspondance to the way they performe such activities, hince the fact that the first unified copy of the Odyssey was not assembled until the first century C.E in the library of Alexandria (where certain educated and remarkable women have worked, which also could mean it was simply an innocent mistake on their part) ! Thank you !
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek. Title: Unconquerable Albania Author : Christ Anton Lepon Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
👏Excellent presentation , so enjoyable that three viewings were nutritional satisfaction for the mind. I choose to appreciate the conclusion that both genders offered their perspectives on this historical account as I choose to attribute the complexities inherent in cave drawings as unmistakably involving feminine participation. As I've said it before your voice enriches the presentation. 👏!
I enjoy listening to you so much, and you bring everything in a really interesting way. Thanks for the interesting videos. And by the way, you are everything but a plain woman, you are a very pretty woman. Don't underestimate yourself. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (Gabriel Scar)
Those are very different cases. One was an ambiguous bard from the 8th century, the other was a pretty well-known socialite who was written of by no less than three contemporaries.
ROFLMAO, have you never met a woman who's into gore & violence, real or fictional? In fiction, I freaking LOVE a good Mediaeval battle scene or gory medical shit, & irl I did Mediaeval swordfighting, & I was utterly fascinated assisting during surgery as a vet nurse. My best friend & I watch gory medical shows together & her boyfriend is so grossed out he leaves the room. It's just gender stereotypes & social conditioning, not an intrinsic characteristic of men & women.
@@beth7935 Ok to be fait i am not a woman, but i imagine treating like are people too wo are different and, just. a lot of people would be solved not being gender essentialist. including toxic masculinity.
I had a professor who used to make a joke about this hypothesis. "Maybe a woman did write The Odyssey after all. No ancient man would ever make a story about a fellow man who was that horse-sh*t of a navigator." Some other students saw this joke as sexist, but it's clearly a joke about male hubris and sexism in ancient writing.
The Odyssey is the most famous novel based on the lies a man tells his ex-woman when he has ghosted her for years and then comes back as if nothing happened.
This was pretty standard college fare in my experience. Many of my college professors enjoyed disparaging and denigrating men. Consider if this person claimed that a woman couldn't have written The Odyssey due to "female naivete" or other similarly dehumanizing nominalization. Disgusting, but unfortunately that's the society we live in. One that hates men.
I really enjoyed it. Please do more of these. My own view is that Homer was the one who finally wrote the stories down, but was part of a long tradition of poets. I base it on modern studies of poetry in oral based non-literate societies. The poem follows such a structure, and could have kept all the details of structure in doing so. It also has older words in it, interspersed. Much like if Shakespeare were suddenly to appear in your speech. That may suggest the ancient history was modernised. Also, plagiarism was not a big thing until recent times. Copying old masters was often part of becoming an artist. Blindness can also have degrees, and certain tricks can overcome certain types, such as only letting miniscule light hit the eyes. I really enjoyed your take on it and how you relay the sources. P.s. on the woman aspect, most art portrays arms of war incorrectly, right through the middle ages and back to Roman times. Artists would describe axes wrong. Also, until historically recently, women were seen as controlling the internal world, while men faced outside threats and got outside resources. The powerful women in the Iliad and Odyssey likely were accurate portrayals, and modern minds see the Trojan War as historical. Look at how women are portrayed in the Christian Gospels, all written by men. I like to think the female characters were just that amazing, and that Homer like a certain Roman who was exiled, simply really knew people well.
He's also wrong about the axe handle thing. The way axe handles are described in Odyssey is historically correct. Axes of the modern typ connected to the handle by means of a eye/socket were an invention of the early iron age, probably by the Celts in Europe. Bronze age axes of Greece are fixed to the handle with one or more tangs through the wood (the three-tanged version is the so-called epsilon axe, similar in shape to the epsilon letter). And that means that there often were holes between the blade and the handle, through which Odysseus shot. Imagine an epsilon axe or a bardiche axe and it all makes sense.
Why is the notion that gay men are not masculine? Rock Hudson was quite well known for being masculine. Many men in Hudson's era aspired to be as "manly" as Rock Hudson. Though not known outside of Hollywood Rock Hudson was quite well known for being gay inside Hollywood. The idea that a gay man can't be masculine or is, by default, in touch with his feminine side is just wrong. If you see a masculine gay man you will likely just conclude that he is straight. The gender you identify with and your sexual orientation are two very separate things.
I'd love to see a video about Penelope from the Odyssey. It might be a bit of a basic topic but she's my favourite female character in classical mythology.
@@williampotter3369. The funny thing is that the axe handles were being described correctly, but they were bronze age/early iron age axes with sockets and fastening loops on them. Something you could shoot an arrow through.
This is a wild guess but I could imagine that a name that translates to "blind" could easily be a forgotten term for "anonymous"? Like in a John Doe kind of way
*Thank you for making my morning.* My toddler kept me up all night, and I am struggling so hard right now. I saw your video and feel a little more accepting of this waking up business!
Hello fellow parent of a sleep-hating toddler! How are they doing now? Mine is 18 months and refuses to stay asleep longer than about 4 hours at a time, and all but refuses to nap during the day… I hope you’re getting more sleep now that your little is 5 months older
You briefly mentioned Robert Graves and his novel on Homer. Have you any views on him in general? Would be interested to hear your take on his mythic novels or even the execrable (in my humble opinion) White Goddess.
Coming in 2 years late, but WOW, thanks for the information! In return, I would recommend checking out "Homer's Secret Iliad" and "Homer's Secret Odyssey" (by Florence and Kenneth Wood). They put forth the extraordinary theory that both works (regardless of who wrote them) are in fact allegorical recordings of STELLAR observations. The Iliad details the precession of the zodiacal constellations through the ecliptic (the path of the sun by day and the constellations by night if I understand correctly), and The Odyssey details the phases of the moon. In other words, by ancient standards, The Iliad represented the (masculine) Sun and The Odyssey represented the (feminine) Moon. Without going into much detail - I highly recommend both "Homer's Secret..." books for their startling insights, and that The Odyssey's "feminine" perspective is natural to the work itself (although I'm by no means put off by the idea that it could've been written by a woman). On the surface, the Iliad is very appealing to masculine sensibilities - its about war, and the passions that drive men in general whether kings or servants - but on a deeper level, its about the various stars that make up the various constellations; major characters represent both single bright stars and entire constellations at times, while minor characters represent the dimmer stars around those figures (again, the details the Woods illuminate are mind-blowing). Likewise, on the surface, The Odyssey is perhaps more appealing to traditional feminine sensibilities - it's the romantic adventure of a man using every resource available (especially his mind) to find his way home to his beleagured wife - but on a deeper level, it's about the phases of the Moon, with each tale representing Odysseus' decline into darkness (the waning Moon), and his subsequent rise to overcome various challenges (the waxing Moon, and subsequent Full Moon). The Odyssey was said to be more popular among sailors, and if they were "initiated" into the deeper mysteries, it's not hard to see why. And finally, on the idea that Homer's works were part actual history, part examinations of human behavior in general, and part celestial allegory, it is FASCINATING to me that you said "Homer" may be a reference to blindness. What could be more fitting to the wealthy and literate elite than the revelation that deeper mysteries could be hidden in plain view, and only those with ears to hear or eyes to see could revel in those deeper levels of meaning. I love learning new things, and the origins of this legendary author were entirely new to me, so THANK YOU again
As per the Oracle of Delphi - the most authoritative information center of the ancient Greek world: “He is from Ithaca, Telemachus is his father and Epikaste is his mother, who bore of all the mortals the most wise man. He was born enlightened and will bring knowledge to mortals.". "Ἕδος δ' Ἰθακησίος ἐστίν, Τηλέμαχος δὲ πατὴρ καὶ Νεστορέη Ἐπικάστη μήτηρ, ἥ μιν ἔτικτε βροτῶν πολὺ πάνσοφον ἄνδρα. Οὗτος ἐγεννήθη φάος τ' ἐς ἀνθρώπους ἤγειρε." Telemachus: The son of Odysseus Epikaste: The youngest daughter of Nestor
Themistoclea, Theano, Myia, Aspasia, Hipparchia, Leontion, Arete, Diotima, A bunch more as well, all Greek female philosophers and authors recorded by history. I hate when professors weird fringe theories absent evidence are given any credence at all. Someone should have smacked Butler.
I think “Homer” was several people and I definitely agree with Graves and others that sections of the Oddessey that involve Circe and Nausica were written by a woman. Ulysses has to talk about all the princesses he met in hades, Circe turning the men into pigs at the table before Ulysses overwhelms her is TOTALLY a romance novel trope - Ulysses was all tied up when so he couldn’t flirt with all those “mean girl” sirens who were too stupid to know how to cook for men… totally written by women.
Here’s a idea that I once heard: The “Trojan Horse” was Helen of Troy herself (or more accurately-itself.) as the Greeks referred to themselves as “Hellenes”, it was the steady absorption of Greeks and Greek culture into Troy (hence “Hellen” of Troy) that made them vulnerable to a Greek attack. The Greeks were thus already inside the walls of Troy when the attack came. Again, only based on literary speculation, but an interesting idea.
Yes, but Helen & Hellen were two different people. One a Woman and the other was a Man whom all the Greeks descend from. Also in Greek Historiography they are spelled much differently: Ελενην = Helen in Homers Odyssey Ελλην = Hellen [Progenitor of all the Hellenes] Hope that Helps! 👍
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 on top of that Greeks did not go by the name Hellenes until after the Iliad was written, as noted by Thucydides. Furthermore, the Trojan horse was attested by Virgils Aeneid, and it happens at the end of the war. So many dumb theories as if the answers don’t plainly exist if these people just read. Also, it’s no mystery about homer. He was a person, named also by both Herodotus and Thucydides and others, never referring to homer as a title but a person. These “theories” based on total ignorance drive me nuts.
@@johndees4997 Well actually, there is a reference in Home to Panhellenes & Hellenes as well...but it seems thats when it started to come to fruition. Also the Greek Peoples were first called Graikoi and then adopted the name of Hellenes later...as Aristotle confirms
Congratulations for the video. If i may suggest one idea a kind of series of videos on classical works with controversial ideas we didn't know. All the best
This is why I love history and the classics. Full of mysteries that will never be 100% solved. Almost as if that’s the point of the study in the first place. Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing. Btw, I’m leaning towards that a lot of these classics were written by multiple authors and the authors names we know are really a type of publishing house of some sort. Just a thought.
@@almostRyanMacleod I thought about too. If the group had one editor or proof reader, it’s possible but not probable to take care of that issue. I was a history teacher for awhile, until I found a better paying gig lol, and from what I’ve seen people back then we’re much more sophisticated than we like to think. Them having a similar structure to the modern world really isn’t that far of a stretch. I have no real evidence outside of observations like most of us though so like you said it’s an interesting thought lol
@@misterknightowlandco You have to remember that Homer probably never wrote as well. The Greek Alphabet probably came later, between 800 -600 BC, so the text itself must have been written by other people. Thats just my theory tho. The tales themselves arent books or texts, you have to remember that societies in the late bronze age told stories orally and not through texts. Meaning that the text we have is probably heavily modified or changed, which leads me to think we dont have the original stories. I found it cool that it have some similarities to what the Grimm Brothers did with germanic/german folklore, maybe it was a similar process? But who rly knows.. even the athenians didnt know or the romans.
Based on my reading of the name in Greek, I believe the name is pronounced: meh-leh-see-gen-ACE with the "g" being a hard "g" like in the word game. So the word would be weighted toward the back with the emphasis placed on the last syllable, which would sound like "ACE" or perhaps "ICE" depending on the ancient dialect. :)
Here's an idea for ya: There has been a lot of scholarship over the past hundred years or so that the Old Testament, or at least the Torah, was written by several different authors and later combined, the authors being referred to as "J", or "E" or "P" and a few others for various reasons, and not written by Moses if there actually was a Moses. There is a theory out there, and I don't know the rationale for it, just something I came across, that at least one of these authors was a woman. The theory isn't supposed to be modern WOKE nonsense, it supposedly has an actual theory behind it, but I've not seen anything on UTube about it.
Ya for a LONG time now, even before identifying the sources, no serious secular or religious historian or theologian has ACTUALLY thought that Moses actually wrote the old testament if he even existed. Notably his death is mentioned in it so it would be hard for him to finish lol. Just like the fates of the apostles, the thought that Moses wrote the old testament is just later assumed dogma by the faiths based on tradition.
Can someone please explain to me how I hated history in H.S. but the way it is done now in historical fictions, tv, books and movies, including this channel, I can't get enough. And am I the only one that thinks "The Lady of the Library" has a Bob Ross type of voice thats super relaxing and keeps you hanging on every word?
Did Butler say anything about the hot yaoi romance between Achilles and Patroclus? Nowadays it seems that stories about beautiful, effeminate men being in love with each other is very popular with women. Especially when one of them seems to be kind of immature and abusive (see: Achilles pouting like a child in his tent and later going into fits of rage, while typical masculine virtues are answering the call of duty without complaining and keeping cool under pressure; or: Kylo Ren bad, Batman good).
No, but you do know that the romance between the two is an ancient myth take, not a modern one, right? Aeschylus, Pindar, Aeschines and Plato depicted the two of them in a sexual/romantic relationship. Even William Shakespeare presented them as lovers in his play Troilus and Cressida, It's been a popular reading of the pair for centuries, it's not just a modern phase
People Bring Up Plato but forget that people in His Life Time call Bullshit ON this Take Like Xenophon. My opinion IS that they were Friends and IT IS a Bit insane that appearantly two people caring for each Other IS Always seeing AS romantic or they must BE fuking or Something disgusting. Seriously this IS also the reason why appearantly WE never can have a Woman and a man in a Story that are Friends No appearantly they have to Loving romance, fuking or BE married.
Who is saying that the epics were written down at 800 BCE, when in the Iliad there is mantion of a folding tablet and a copper stylus used to write and convey messages. Linear B mays have been the language of acountants, the epics have been written with the attic alphabet in all the Greek dialects,
Actually, 'having an axe to grind' is not a metaphor for preparing for vengeance, but, rather, struggling with the humiliating prospect of asking for a favor by endeavoring, in advance, to indebt the grantor to yourself. I.e. you are dealing with someone in a rather falsely gracious manner, as you have an ulterior motive, whether it is transparent, or obscure.
How come all references (experts) are people who do not speak the Greek language. Not a single fluent speaker of Greek is quoted, and there are many albeit their publications are in Greek.
Given the statement "Homer was a blind, illiterate man" there are historians who would dispute every single word, with the possible exception of "was".
Being a Hesiodic rather than Homeric pagan, it warms the cockles of my heart to hear Hesiods works described as older. I don't speak German, but can still hear differences in German accents. Modern Germany has many reasons to have less differences in accent than Ancient Greece. So, it bugs me when people try to say that there is only one correct pronunciation for 4 ancient languages.
Any chance of covering Cassius Clay and after spending his financial fortune, political capital and blood after numerous death threats, finally being asked by Lincoln if he should free people. After which Lincoln did the Emancipation. White Hall the home of Cassius Clay is a Kentucky State Park and Museum.
Could you comment on the Trojan Cycle/Epic Cycle and why all the other epics besides the Iliad and the Odyssey are lost except for fragments? Also what the relative date for the other epics were, since I don't think they're all attributed to Homer.
I find the idea that he lived in the seventh century BCE, not the eighth century BCE, by far the most convincing conclusion. Pottery depiction scenes from the Iliad only appear from the late seventh century onwards, even though scenes of the Trojan War in general go back to the early part of the seventh century. That indicates that the Iliad wasn't written until probably after the middle of that century.
If there are .. such opinions ..now in play ... It's perhaps going to reveal some hidden new truth about.... history as we have known it. One idea that was casually passed by ,is the necessity of " memorisation aids "....in that sing song quality's .. ryhmes ... pentameter... are there to aid memory... enabling one who had this talent ...to ...become known as " poet" It's said that Kings of British Isles " Traveled " with ; A Latiner ( translate Latin ) a Druid and a Poet...... In evidence of necessity of oral record keeping , one need only look out airplane window...while flying over Ireland. There are no geometric ' farmland borders ..but. ...looks a golf course like shapes . " The Kings fiefe lays fourty chains tword the hill of so & so...or untill the cliff of so and so..."
How did the greek language and poetry developed so fast? Its hard to believe that semitic alphabet would dominate such a vast area in such a short time. Thousand of years doesn't seem enough, they had no internet, cars, mail, education system, only natural migration of highly uneducated nations. And what's the deal with Hebrew/Greek interconnection. Gimmi seventy smart Jews who translate all that nonsense into greek, amen.
actually this theory is not that far fetched because Harold Bloom and other scholars have insisted that the first 5 books of the bible were written by a woman on the inside of Solomans temple .
There is evidence that the Iliad and Odyssey are based on older Indo-European stories repurposed by the Greeks, which maybe something you alluded in your video.
Homer was a compilation. The Iliad and the Odyssey were passed down orally for generations. That’s the reason for the alliteration in and the cadence of the Ancient Greek. It helped the storyteller to remember it correctly.
I mean, they don't sound like they were written by the same person to be... but I'm am an idiot who knows nothing. But I do think the illiad has a certain feminine air to the language that I can't really put my finger on. Not so sure about the odyssey. That one just feels like a boys own adventure to me.
DISCLAIMER
This video was produced by a random student on the internet who loves reading, especially about ancient history and classics. The purpose of my videos is to make classics and ancient history interesting and accessible to everyone. It is important to highlight that I am not a professional or qualified educator, “expert”, historian or classicist. However, I ensure that all the information I use in my video scripts has been collated from numerous credible sources, which I will link in the description box if accessible online. I always work my hardest to deliver thoroughly researched and reliable information in my videos, but please always conduct additional, independent research to formulate a thorough understanding of any topic discussed. Additionally, I am dyslexic, and I will mispronounce words throughout this video, sometimes without realising it. This is not ill-intended or stemming from willful ignorance, and I do make the effort to research how to pronounce words before I start filming, but I often misread my phonetic spelling. In light of this, please do not rely on my video for an authoritative or reliable source of how to pronounce certain words.
Are you a woman? I'll have to take a closer look, if you let me. I don't know anything about axe handles ipso facto I am now a woman. God my wife is going to get a shock when I get home tonight! Love your work.
@@peterlewis7228 I in fact know plenty about axes, and shall educate you, should you wish to become a man in the future. Now I am off to do manly things, like establish ridiculous claims about authors genders based entirely on the voice I made up for the narrator of a book in my head.
I had to think about this one for a while. Isn't more like the book proposing that Homer was written by a woman was itself written by a woman and used a male name as the author. The misuse of Greek in the wrong gender could have been a scribe instead of the original author. As to different authors, the stories could have had different sources and compiled by one author. Obvious neither story is literally true. The author might've used army veteran stories as sources for the Iliad and then follow up with a sequel using naval sailor stories. War stories and sea stories could have been embellished by the veterans and sailors themselves.
The variously attributed "Homer was not written by Homer, but by another man of that name" quote should always accompany this topic.
We have no idea who actually wrote down the Iliad and the Odyssey but we do know they were passed down orally for generations. They were meant to be chanted out loud.
Ax or axe handles?
Maybe the real Homer was all the Greeks we met along the way.
Probably not though.
Or even the ones we made (up) along the way
Ομηρος family is een greek family in Athens. I know this family.
The writer of Ιλιαδα and Οδυσσεια was a real person.
He did not have red dark colour lips.
Respect for the famous greek people.
We should be thankful that tik-tok didn't exist in the 19th century or he would have presented this theory while wearing bear ears and a button nose.
He would have just said that Greece didn't exist.
@@sleekoduck And that Homer, just like Santa, was a Turk.
Its been a few days since i saw the " rome didn't exist "vid. I cant seem to unsee that bear filter, or unhear that willfully ignorant snide voice trilling in my ear, or calm the frustration storm that now plagues my mind that such a video exists.
I'm proud of our lady librarian for ,( as politely as possible) taking on such tripe without utterly losing her cool
I would love the comment replies, “You absolute buffoons arguing in my comment section that this imagery is feminine are full of idiotic pretenses. Clearly it is incredibly masculine, what could be more masculine than adorning myself with the features of a massive predator like a bear or a tiger?”
I love how engaged you are. I feel like I’m just having a chat with a nice stranger I met at the library.
Hush! You are not meant to talk in libraries!
2000 years from now people are going to think some guy named “booktok” wrote an awful lot of books in 2022
I had heard that the name Homer came from the idea that they weren't the original author, but the person who had written down the oral stories. They were similar to the Grimm brothers.
I have just found out your channel and i'm really happy about it. It's simply marvelous the way you speak about the subjects, well supported, clear and entertaining. And i also loved your accent. Congratulations for the excellent work :)
I have read 'Homer's Daughter', and find it an interesting novel.
Whether the hypothesis behind it is true or not, I cannot say; but I do believe that 'Homer' may cover a long tradition of bards reciting traditional stories, using well-honed tropes. I seem to recollect that some Hittite(?) tablets had been found, describing the attack on 'Wilusa' in phrases very similar to those of Homer.
After more than 2 1/2 millennia, I doubt that we will ever find any definitive answer.
Yep, "the gods took his sight" is definitely the more interesting tale.
I LOVE, and think it's so funny 😂, that this guy and his theory are "just" one more evidence of the inherent desire/ hability that humans have...
To FanFiction about ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, AT ANYTIME 🤣🤣🤣
And he even inspired others to develop even more fanfics about it 😂😂😂
As a greek who has readen the odessy many times i know that there are a lot of theories but homer that was a man and blind is the more logistical anser because if a woman wrote it she whouldn't have putten so many woman falling in love with odessyes more like the opsisset whould happend and at the and odessyes whould have to leave them. also we know homer was blind because he didn't explain diferent things only normal things that you whould see in a normal day he explained how they look for an exampel when hermes goes to the island that calepso was on.Awsome video btw.
Dubois i love your works, but how's the probability that Homer's description of a man using the axe wrong indicates that the author is female overlap's the probability that men were handling axe's differently than we do today or even a different type of axes ! Even if the oral poet or initial ancient author was a woman (without knowledge of the ancient classicists of the golden age of Athens) i think the vers would have been simply corrected or put on in correspondance to the way they performe such activities, hince the fact that the first unified copy of the Odyssey was not assembled until the first century C.E in the library of Alexandria (where certain educated and remarkable women have worked, which also could mean it was simply an innocent mistake on their part) !
Thank you !
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek.
Title: Unconquerable Albania
Author : Christ Anton Lepon
Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
This after learning recently about James W. Tiptree, Jr. . . .
bruh Homer was really named almost Melissa 😂
👏Excellent presentation , so enjoyable that three viewings were nutritional satisfaction for the mind. I choose to appreciate the conclusion that both genders offered their perspectives on this historical account as I choose to attribute the complexities inherent in cave drawings as unmistakably involving feminine participation. As I've said it before your voice enriches the presentation. 👏!
I enjoy listening to you so much, and you bring everything in a really interesting way. Thanks for the interesting videos. And by the way, you are everything but a plain woman, you are a very pretty woman. Don't underestimate yourself. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (Gabriel Scar)
Axe or ax handles?
Melisegenis JAY Simpson!
There was more than ONE pseudo Plutarch!?
Homer was the original Daisy Meadows? 😊
The Jews had the Bible the Greeks had Homer
Great content, but too many interruptions. I can't watch a 19 minute video with 5 interruptions. It is too much.
Noo, you are far from plain. You're a strikingly beautiful woman!
Does it really matter isn't it supposed to be about the story's
What about Socrates? Just made up by Plato?
Those are very different cases. One was an ambiguous bard from the 8th century, the other was a pretty well-known socialite who was written of by no less than three contemporaries.
@@ManoverSuperman Yeah true, it's just something I used to think about a lot. I don't care how important they were. Just an interesting topic to me.
Long, long time ago, in a far galactic there were some womans. Therefore it's possible.
Butler sounds like he was mansplaing centuries after the fact. He’s certainly pushing his own patriarchal beliefs in his critiques.
Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman?
I don’t think a woman would write the Iliad,it’s got too much gore and violence depicted.
Why cant women like violence, and as for the descriptions she could have been at wars.
ROFLMAO, have you never met a woman who's into gore & violence, real or fictional? In fiction, I freaking LOVE a good Mediaeval battle scene or gory medical shit, & irl I did Mediaeval swordfighting, & I was utterly fascinated assisting during surgery as a vet nurse. My best friend & I watch gory medical shows together & her boyfriend is so grossed out he leaves the room. It's just gender stereotypes & social conditioning, not an intrinsic characteristic of men & women.
@@marocat4749 My question is, why do men keep telling women what we like & think? SO TIRESOME 🙄
@@beth7935 Ok to be fait i am not a woman, but i imagine treating like are people too wo are different and, just. a lot of people would be solved not being gender essentialist. including toxic masculinity.
I had a professor who used to make a joke about this hypothesis. "Maybe a woman did write The Odyssey after all. No ancient man would ever make a story about a fellow man who was that horse-sh*t of a navigator." Some other students saw this joke as sexist, but it's clearly a joke about male hubris and sexism in ancient writing.
The Odyssey is the most famous novel based on the lies a man tells his ex-woman when he has ghosted her for years and then comes back as if nothing happened.
You're unworthy of the name of Alexander the Great's horse.
But it does sound perfectly like Odysseus was the original author of his tales.
@@vandalcreed absolutely
This was pretty standard college fare in my experience. Many of my college professors enjoyed disparaging and denigrating men. Consider if this person claimed that a woman couldn't have written The Odyssey due to "female naivete" or other similarly dehumanizing nominalization. Disgusting, but unfortunately that's the society we live in. One that hates men.
The Odyssey may have had some feminine input, but only a man would have com up with such a lame excuse for taking so long to gat home.
Thats the real story. How Odysseus tried to get away with this excuse (and failed, last seen walking inland with an oar)
I love the idea that the Odyssey started as a cringe self-insert fanfic. What a proud tradition
I really enjoyed it. Please do more of these. My own view is that Homer was the one who finally wrote the stories down, but was part of a long tradition of poets. I base it on modern studies of poetry in oral based non-literate societies. The poem follows such a structure, and could have kept all the details of structure in doing so. It also has older words in it, interspersed. Much like if Shakespeare were suddenly to appear in your speech. That may suggest the ancient history was modernised. Also, plagiarism was not a big thing until recent times. Copying old masters was often part of becoming an artist. Blindness can also have degrees, and certain tricks can overcome certain types, such as only letting miniscule light hit the eyes. I really enjoyed your take on it and how you relay the sources.
P.s. on the woman aspect, most art portrays arms of war incorrectly, right through the middle ages and back to Roman times. Artists would describe axes wrong. Also, until historically recently, women were seen as controlling the internal world, while men faced outside threats and got outside resources. The powerful women in the Iliad and Odyssey likely were accurate portrayals, and modern minds see the Trojan War as historical. Look at how women are portrayed in the Christian Gospels, all written by men. I like to think the female characters were just that amazing, and that Homer like a certain Roman who was exiled, simply really knew people well.
He's also wrong about the axe handle thing.
The way axe handles are described in Odyssey is historically correct. Axes of the modern typ connected to the handle by means of a eye/socket were an invention of the early iron age, probably by the Celts in Europe. Bronze age axes of Greece are fixed to the handle with one or more tangs through the wood (the three-tanged version is the so-called epsilon axe, similar in shape to the epsilon letter). And that means that there often were holes between the blade and the handle, through which Odysseus shot.
Imagine an epsilon axe or a bardiche axe and it all makes sense.
"Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Gal Incognito."
Why is the notion that gay men are not masculine? Rock Hudson was quite well known for being masculine. Many men in Hudson's era aspired to be as "manly" as Rock Hudson.
Though not known outside of Hollywood Rock Hudson was quite well known for being gay inside Hollywood.
The idea that a gay man can't be masculine or is, by default, in touch with his feminine side is just wrong.
If you see a masculine gay man you will likely just conclude that he is straight.
The gender you identify with and your sexual orientation are two very separate things.
Have you considered doing voice over work? I would love some audiobooks with your voice.
I tried but I got constant rejection 😅 the professional audiobook people disagree - apparently my voice is not suited for audiobooks
@@CinziaDuBois should reach out to Ian Gordon on UA-cam. He used to host guest narrators on his channel.
If he became blind later in life it was probably through cataracts which are very common in sunny areas and as people get older.
If Homer wasn't real, how could he have been in the Devine Comedy?
I'd love to see a video about Penelope from the Odyssey. It might be a bit of a basic topic but she's my favourite female character in classical mythology.
The axe handles are absolutely hilarious. I'm reading Moby Dick right now and 19th century logic is .... wild sometimes.
Moby Dick is my favourite of all time. I hope you enjoy it
@@CinziaDuBois The language is beautiful and its paced so well. I'm really happy I made the effort. Plus Queequeg is an absolute icon.
@@JenSell1626 Do. If you have the patience, it's quite rewarding.
@@CinziaDuBois I have been standing in for Mr. Melville for quite a few years now, at Mystic Seaport: I have 'Loomings' down by heart.
@@williampotter3369. The funny thing is that the axe handles were being described correctly, but they were bronze age/early iron age axes with sockets and fastening loops on them. Something you could shoot an arrow through.
You've got to admire the 19th century literary man's backhanded compliment to women which manages to keep them in their place more firmly than before.
This is a wild guess but I could imagine that a name that translates to "blind" could easily be a forgotten term for "anonymous"? Like in a John Doe kind of way
The Iliad and Odyssey were both written by Francis Bacon, He knocked them out in between writing Shakespeare's plays.
*Thank you for making my morning.* My toddler kept me up all night, and I am struggling so hard right now. I saw your video and feel a little more accepting of this waking up business!
Hello fellow parent of a sleep-hating toddler! How are they doing now? Mine is 18 months and refuses to stay asleep longer than about 4 hours at a time, and all but refuses to nap during the day…
I hope you’re getting more sleep now that your little is 5 months older
Has your bebe listened to her speak? When my son was younger he loved falling asleep to British accents.
I love binging your channel ❤️ thank you for these gifts!
Glad you like them!
Homer is a yellow dude from Springfield
This video is a prime example of talking alot but saying absolutely nothing. It went nowhere and didn't even answer the question posed by the title
You seriously expected an 'answer'?
You briefly mentioned Robert Graves and his novel on Homer.
Have you any views on him in general? Would be interested to hear your take on his mythic novels or even the execrable (in my humble opinion) White Goddess.
Coming in 2 years late, but WOW, thanks for the information! In return, I would recommend checking out "Homer's Secret Iliad" and "Homer's Secret Odyssey" (by Florence and Kenneth Wood). They put forth the extraordinary theory that both works (regardless of who wrote them) are in fact allegorical recordings of STELLAR observations. The Iliad details the precession of the zodiacal constellations through the ecliptic (the path of the sun by day and the constellations by night if I understand correctly), and The Odyssey details the phases of the moon. In other words, by ancient standards, The Iliad represented the (masculine) Sun and The Odyssey represented the (feminine) Moon. Without going into much detail - I highly recommend both "Homer's Secret..." books for their startling insights, and that The Odyssey's "feminine" perspective is natural to the work itself (although I'm by no means put off by the idea that it could've been written by a woman).
On the surface, the Iliad is very appealing to masculine sensibilities - its about war, and the passions that drive men in general whether kings or servants - but on a deeper level, its about the various stars that make up the various constellations; major characters represent both single bright stars and entire constellations at times, while minor characters represent the dimmer stars around those figures (again, the details the Woods illuminate are mind-blowing). Likewise, on the surface, The Odyssey is perhaps more appealing to traditional feminine sensibilities - it's the romantic adventure of a man using every resource available (especially his mind) to find his way home to his beleagured wife - but on a deeper level, it's about the phases of the Moon, with each tale representing Odysseus' decline into darkness (the waning Moon), and his subsequent rise to overcome various challenges (the waxing Moon, and subsequent Full Moon). The Odyssey was said to be more popular among sailors, and if they were "initiated" into the deeper mysteries, it's not hard to see why.
And finally, on the idea that Homer's works were part actual history, part examinations of human behavior in general, and part celestial allegory, it is FASCINATING to me that you said "Homer" may be a reference to blindness. What could be more fitting to the wealthy and literate elite than the revelation that deeper mysteries could be hidden in plain view, and only those with ears to hear or eyes to see could revel in those deeper levels of meaning. I love learning new things, and the origins of this legendary author were entirely new to me, so THANK YOU again
As per the Oracle of Delphi - the most authoritative information center of the ancient Greek world:
“He is from Ithaca, Telemachus is his father and Epikaste is his mother, who bore of all the mortals the most wise man. He was born enlightened and will bring knowledge to mortals.".
"Ἕδος δ' Ἰθακησίος ἐστίν, Τηλέμαχος δὲ πατὴρ καὶ Νεστορέη Ἐπικάστη μήτηρ, ἥ μιν ἔτικτε βροτῶν πολὺ πάνσοφον ἄνδρα. Οὗτος ἐγεννήθη φάος τ' ἐς ἀνθρώπους ἤγειρε."
Telemachus: The son of Odysseus
Epikaste: The youngest daughter of Nestor
"...this fking name..." Haven't heard anyone swear like that since I was in court.
Absolutely love you to bits, by the way. Keep doing what you're doing, it's people like you that keep me sane
ish
The video: Super informative, well-researched and structured. My middle-school brain: "Lesbian dialect! You mean like pillow princess?"
Themistoclea,
Theano,
Myia,
Aspasia,
Hipparchia,
Leontion,
Arete,
Diotima,
A bunch more as well, all Greek female philosophers and authors recorded by history. I hate when professors weird fringe theories absent evidence are given any credence at all. Someone should have smacked Butler.
I think “Homer” was several people and I definitely agree with Graves and others that sections of the Oddessey that involve Circe and Nausica were written by a woman. Ulysses has to talk about all the princesses he met in hades, Circe turning the men into pigs at the table before Ulysses overwhelms her is TOTALLY a romance novel trope - Ulysses was all tied up when so he couldn’t flirt with all those “mean girl” sirens who were too stupid to know how to cook for men… totally written by women.
Here’s a idea that I once heard: The “Trojan Horse” was Helen of Troy herself (or more accurately-itself.) as the Greeks referred to themselves as “Hellenes”, it was the steady absorption of Greeks and Greek culture into Troy (hence “Hellen” of Troy) that made them vulnerable to a Greek attack. The Greeks were thus already inside the walls of Troy when the attack came. Again, only based on literary speculation, but an interesting idea.
Yes, but Helen & Hellen were two different people. One a Woman and the other was a Man whom all the Greeks descend from. Also in Greek Historiography they are spelled much differently:
Ελενην = Helen in Homers Odyssey
Ελλην = Hellen [Progenitor of all the Hellenes]
Hope that Helps! 👍
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 on top of that Greeks did not go by the name Hellenes until after the Iliad was written, as noted by Thucydides. Furthermore, the Trojan horse was attested by Virgils Aeneid, and it happens at the end of the war. So many dumb theories as if the answers don’t plainly exist if these people just read. Also, it’s no mystery about homer. He was a person, named also by both Herodotus and Thucydides and others, never referring to homer as a title but a person. These “theories” based on total ignorance drive me nuts.
@@johndees4997 Well actually, there is a reference in Home to Panhellenes & Hellenes as well...but it seems thats when it started to come to fruition. Also the Greek Peoples were first called Graikoi and then adopted the name of Hellenes later...as Aristotle confirms
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 yes mentioned as a specific group, not as all Greeks. The Greeks were called Achaeans, Argives, and Danaans
Congratulations for the video. If i may suggest one idea a kind of series of videos on classical works with controversial ideas we didn't know. All the best
This is why I love history and the classics. Full of mysteries that will never be 100% solved. Almost as if that’s the point of the study in the first place. Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing. Btw, I’m leaning towards that a lot of these classics were written by multiple authors and the authors names we know are really a type of publishing house of some sort. Just a thought.
Wouldn't the language vary too much for this to be true? I like the idea it's a cool thought.
@@almostRyanMacleod I thought about too. If the group had one editor or proof reader, it’s possible but not probable to take care of that issue. I was a history teacher for awhile, until I found a better paying gig lol, and from what I’ve seen people back then we’re much more sophisticated than we like to think. Them having a similar structure to the modern world really isn’t that far of a stretch. I have no real evidence outside of observations like most of us though so like you said it’s an interesting thought lol
@@misterknightowlandco You have to remember that Homer probably never wrote as well. The Greek Alphabet probably came later, between 800 -600 BC, so the text itself must have been written by other people. Thats just my theory tho. The tales themselves arent books or texts, you have to remember that societies in the late bronze age told stories orally and not through texts. Meaning that the text we have is probably heavily modified or changed, which leads me to think we dont have the original stories. I found it cool that it have some similarities to what the Grimm Brothers did with germanic/german folklore, maybe it was a similar process? But who rly knows.. even the athenians didnt know or the romans.
Illiad and Odyssey, Old and New testament. Similar, not same.
Oddessy, an example of self-insert fanfiction?
She can read the back of a shampoo bottle and make it sound interesting.
We all know Homer Simpson was a man, he had a wife and had 3 children
Homer Simpson
The Odyssey was not written by Homer Simpson. I bring this precision for all the millennials out there.
Based on my reading of the name in Greek, I believe the name is pronounced:
meh-leh-see-gen-ACE with the "g" being a hard "g" like in the word game. So the word would be weighted toward the back with the emphasis placed on the last syllable, which would sound like "ACE" or perhaps "ICE" depending on the ancient dialect. :)
Fascinating, thanks for sharing this, always interesting hearing new perspectives on history and the classics! Love the content!
If we all read more classic literature, I'm sure we'd have a better world....as much as I love classic movies, you can not beat a good book! 🥰😍😎
Love this and look forward to more ancient history videos.
Yes! Super stoked for another history video 💕
Imperator: Tho, Homer was a Woman.
Brian: no, Homer was a Roman.
Imperator: a woman?
Centurion: well actually I’m pretty sure Homer was Greek sir.
1:35 I don't know how to axe either, I am woman! /sarcasm
Loved this! And the thumbnail is just chefs kiss 😂
Here's an idea for ya: There has been a lot of scholarship over the past hundred years or so that the Old Testament, or at least the Torah, was written by several different authors and later combined, the authors being referred to as "J", or "E" or "P" and a few others for various reasons, and not written by Moses if there actually was a Moses. There is a theory out there, and I don't know the rationale for it, just something I came across, that at least one of these authors was a woman. The theory isn't supposed to be modern WOKE nonsense, it supposedly has an actual theory behind it, but I've not seen anything on UTube about it.
Ya for a LONG time now, even before identifying the sources, no serious secular or religious historian or theologian has ACTUALLY thought that Moses actually wrote the old testament if he even existed. Notably his death is mentioned in it so it would be hard for him to finish lol. Just like the fates of the apostles, the thought that Moses wrote the old testament is just later assumed dogma by the faiths based on tradition.
Can someone please explain to me how I hated history in H.S. but the way it is done now in historical fictions, tv, books and movies, including this channel, I can't get enough.
And am I the only one that thinks "The Lady of the Library" has a Bob Ross type of voice thats super relaxing and keeps you hanging on every word?
Did Butler say anything about the hot yaoi romance between Achilles and Patroclus? Nowadays it seems that stories about beautiful, effeminate men being in love with each other is very popular with women. Especially when one of them seems to be kind of immature and abusive (see: Achilles pouting like a child in his tent and later going into fits of rage, while typical masculine virtues are answering the call of duty without complaining and keeping cool under pressure; or: Kylo Ren bad, Batman good).
No, but you do know that the romance between the two is an ancient myth take, not a modern one, right? Aeschylus, Pindar, Aeschines and Plato depicted the two of them in a sexual/romantic relationship. Even William Shakespeare presented them as lovers in his play Troilus and Cressida, It's been a popular reading of the pair for centuries, it's not just a modern phase
Isnt their platonic thing that nothing is manler than a relationship of 2 men. I mean different culture and being sexost added.
People Bring Up Plato but forget that people in His Life Time call Bullshit ON this Take Like Xenophon. My opinion IS that they were Friends and IT IS a Bit insane that appearantly two people caring for each Other IS Always seeing AS romantic or they must BE fuking or Something disgusting. Seriously this IS also the reason why appearantly WE never can have a Woman and a man in a Story that are Friends No appearantly they have to Loving romance, fuking or BE married.
You are hardly plain, your beautiful and your accent only adds to your beauty.
Thank you for saying so
Who is saying that the epics were written down at 800 BCE, when in the Iliad there is mantion of a folding tablet and a copper stylus used to write and convey messages. Linear B mays have been the language of acountants, the epics have been written with the attic alphabet in all the Greek dialects,
I am glad you don't know how to use an axe. That means you don't have an axe to grind. Thanks for your thoughtful intelligent videos.
Actually, 'having an axe to grind' is not a metaphor for preparing for vengeance, but, rather, struggling with the humiliating prospect of asking for a favor by endeavoring, in advance, to indebt the grantor to yourself.
I.e. you are dealing with someone in a rather falsely gracious manner, as you have an ulterior motive, whether it is transparent, or obscure.
How come all references (experts) are people who do not speak the Greek language. Not a single fluent speaker of Greek is quoted, and there are many albeit their publications are in Greek.
Given the statement "Homer was a blind, illiterate man" there are historians who would dispute every single word, with the possible exception of "was".
Being a Hesiodic rather than Homeric pagan, it warms the cockles of my heart to hear Hesiods works described as older.
I don't speak German, but can still hear differences in German accents. Modern Germany has many reasons to have less differences in accent than Ancient Greece. So, it bugs me when people try to say that there is only one correct pronunciation for 4 ancient languages.
Such a great video, I learned so much!
Thrilled to hear it! ♥️
Any chance of covering Cassius Clay and after spending his financial fortune, political capital and blood after numerous death threats, finally being asked by Lincoln if he should free people. After which Lincoln did the Emancipation.
White Hall the home of Cassius Clay is a Kentucky State Park and Museum.
Could you comment on the Trojan Cycle/Epic Cycle and why all the other epics besides the Iliad and the Odyssey are lost except for fragments? Also what the relative date for the other epics were, since I don't think they're all attributed to Homer.
I find the idea that he lived in the seventh century BCE, not the eighth century BCE, by far the most convincing conclusion. Pottery depiction scenes from the Iliad only appear from the late seventh century onwards, even though scenes of the Trojan War in general go back to the early part of the seventh century. That indicates that the Iliad wasn't written until probably after the middle of that century.
If there are .. such opinions ..now in play ...
It's perhaps going to reveal some hidden new truth about.... history as we have known it.
One idea that was casually passed by ,is the necessity of " memorisation aids "....in that
sing song quality's .. ryhmes ... pentameter...
are there to aid memory... enabling one who had this talent ...to ...become known as " poet"
It's said that Kings of British Isles " Traveled " with ; A Latiner ( translate Latin ) a Druid and a Poet......
In evidence of necessity of oral record keeping , one need only look out airplane window...while flying over Ireland. There are no geometric ' farmland borders ..but. ...looks a golf course like shapes . " The Kings fiefe lays fourty chains tword the hill of so & so...or untill the cliff of so and so..."
Also see Caroline Alexander's excellent translation of the Iliad (2016) for more on Homer and whether the Iliad was written (yes, it was).
How did the greek language and poetry developed so fast? Its hard to believe that semitic alphabet would dominate such a vast area in such a short time. Thousand of years doesn't seem enough, they had no internet, cars, mail, education system, only natural migration of highly uneducated nations. And what's the deal with Hebrew/Greek interconnection. Gimmi seventy smart Jews who translate all that nonsense into greek, amen.
Not only did Homer not exist, but he was also a woman.
Yes and Biden is a trans man
And Ronald Reagan was a fascist and Communist simultaneously apparently
@@davidrossi1486 Truly
well Hatshepsut, It seems like we agree. Fortunately we are in much the same time zone.
It really isn’t all that hard to figure out an ax. Just point the sharp end where you are trying to cut, and wack away.
Truly this is wise advice for most tools.
You'd think its easy to use, but try repeatedly hitting the same spot over and over, try cutting a 3ft thick tree trunk using an axe
Would really like your take on "The Bedside Odyssey", especially as it's attributed to Homer _and Associates._
i’m reading the odyssey right now for my
classics class and this video is so great
actually this theory is not that far fetched because Harold Bloom and other scholars have insisted that the first 5 books of the bible were written by a woman on the inside of Solomans temple .
There is evidence that the Iliad and Odyssey are based on older Indo-European stories repurposed by the Greeks, which maybe something you alluded in your video.
Homer was a compilation. The Iliad and the Odyssey were passed down orally for generations. That’s the reason for the alliteration in and the cadence of the Ancient Greek. It helped the storyteller to remember it correctly.
I laughed so hard hearing our Lady Cinzia swear at the pronunciation of Melesigenes 😂😂❤
I mean, they don't sound like they were written by the same person to be... but I'm am an idiot who knows nothing.
But I do think the illiad has a certain feminine air to the language that I can't really put my finger on. Not so sure about the odyssey. That one just feels like a boys own adventure to me.
Found your account during my deap dive on homer after hearing that he might not have been a real person. Love your account!!
Robert Graves had a lot of very strange ideas about Ancient Greece. Look at the scholarly reaction to his version of The Greek Myths for example