Recent news reports, on the riots in the UK, made me think about the Riots and the Riot Training we experienced during the Northern Ireland Campaign, (Operation Banner).
While i was based in Girdwood Park a camp in North Belfast a riot on the Antrim road side of the camp was brewing By tea time all the locals cars had disappeared from the strrets and nobody in sight a good indication something was brewing As it got dark about 2100 the locals came out to play paint bombing the sanger with the odd petrol bomb for good measure, while trying very half hearted to force the gate. What they didn't know was that there were 2 companies of the Spearhead Battalion in Girdwood, the other companies based elsewhere in Belfast . The Spearhead Battalion was the Black Watch, and they were allowed by their OC to have some drinks in the JRC By 2300hr the brass had decided that playtime was over for the locals So theJocks formed up behing the gate with short round shields pick ax handles and FRG's. As the gate opened, the crowd surged forward and then ran when they saw what was coming at them 2 minutes later. The place was deserted the Jocks went back to the bar
Aah yes, combat indicators, like all the kids suddenly disappearing off the streets; all the house windows front and rear suddenly being opened; the PIRA Maltese cross J4 ambulance appearing in the vicinity! It was the same with mainland inner city riots in the 1980s, especially in the summer, the atmosphere suddenly became strange, you could practically smell trouble coming in the air.
@@Bizz55 It was awhite Morris J4 panel van with a black Maltese style cross painted on the sides which used to suddenly appear in the vicinity of troops and was recognised as a combat indicator for a possible upcoming incident (an attack on troops). It’s purpose was assessed as being an ‘ambulance’ for the enemy in case they became the casualty!
DEI recruitment has destroyed the police force. West Yorkshire Police are LITERALLY having to restructure their entire force because "new recruits apparently didn't realise they had to work nights." I wish I was joking. Sadly, I have family on the force, and they're old skool. Big men. Employing 8 stone, five foot tall women to police MEN is ridiculous and shows just how far this once great police force has fallen. Kwir starmer big threats are jus hot air. The police DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY to fulfil his pathetic threats.
I think it's more a reflection of the recruitment standards. 30 years ago coppers were tough. They're a bunch of pathetic, insecure pansies and don't get me started on the females. You can't talk to a copper without them getting butt hurt and start bullying people. I go for 2 to 3 hours tab every evening to look after my blood pressure it's all so infuriating. Ex REME, 80s
I served in Northern Ireland over three tours with the Royal Engineers. I saw the violence and tragedy which still haunts me today. After the Army, I joined the Metropolitan Police just in time for the Tottenham riots. I was an old hand in riot control by then. It still didn’t lessen the horror and the terror. There is no excuse for affray, no antidote for frustration, through this disorder.
I remember getting slightly burnt on the shin with a petrol bomb on the line at Lydd and Hythe. Then getting told off by the SNCO’s for getting medical help. Great help!
I served 3 tpurs in NI in the 80s and 90s and dont want to see that level of violence on the streets again, it tore ireland apart ,now its coming to the rest of the uk
I'm Irish ☘️. And thankfully. There's peace. But the politicians are corrupt. Here and in England 🏴 and Scotland 🏴 Wales 🏴. They have aloud this. And the British 🇬🇧 people will not lay down to. Muslims ☪️ extremist nutjobs and a corrupt government administration. It will get worse 💥💥💥🔥. Till the British 🇬🇧 nation. Kicks out this government.
There have been a series of small scale disturbances in the UK. The media make it look dramatic, but in reality there are very few people involved. Most of the people present are spectators. I might add, the thugs causing the problems are bussed in from other regions, usually. The disturbances are not spontaneous, they are being orchestrated by people intent on stoking religious and racial hatred.
With regards to last night in London, that was far from a riot. At most it was empty beer cans and bottles. Now during my service, was in a lot of riots in Northern Ireland, plus as I lived in Belfast actually involved in them, however, not against the Army. 😮. I remember we had to have a ready resupply of visors and fire extinguishers. Certainly nothing funny getting your visor smashed with a brick or ball bearings. Not forgetting the piss and shit getting thrown over us, and technically we had to take it. Plus we also had the odd shots fired at us, so lots to think and worry about then. Incidentally, im talking even in the 2000s we only had the snatch land rovers, however, the Engineers came along with 4 tonners with the wings on them. Seen so many of our troops injured especially with petrol bombs, as you know them combat trousers weren't particularly fireproof. I was typing this as i was listening, we used the normal helmet with visor, we had elbow pads and knee pads, plus better gloves than years gone by. Were mad times. I was only a lad when the Hunger Strikes were on, where i lived in Belfast, as soon as we knew one of them died, off we went down to were they were banging the old metal bin lids. Usually turned into a full scale riot, i mean a riot 😮. Fond memories from both sides of the fence, good and bad.
As a retired RUC officer these riots are recreational and low end. Wait until these baby poloce officers have been on the lines for a couple of weeks without a rest day or a proper meal! The level of competence and professionalism in the PSNI and English Police TSG is laughably poor! No command and control. Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
I have a huge amount of respect for the RUC and UDR. The English Police could have learnt so much from your experience. Maybe the Met and or othe Police services could employ retired members of the RUC as training advisors. Thank you for your service. RUC GC
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd . Thank you for your comments. The Met are too arrogant to ask for our assistance. We have trained them in the past along with a lot of other English forces, but that had clearly been forgotten. The PSNI is not the Force the RUC was. It is ineffectual, weak and WOKE.
I was REME TA for years. One time I was working at Dreghorn in the workshop. To the rear was a car park. It was being used for riot training. 'Protestors' were using bags of spuds 🥔 to lob at the troops. Pissed myself laughing as one of the protestors threw a spud after a break had been called. The sergeant kicked him up and down the car park. I think the troops at the time were The Rifles. Whilst I never faced riots in the army, my day job was as a copper. At that time, here in Scotland not every officer was public order trained. I volunteered and deployed at the G8 in Gleneagles in 2005. I'd done enough obua training to know that you have to deploy and get stuck in at a speed that keeps the rioters on their back foot. It was a bit of a pain to see that senior officers were so slow to react to the situation on the ground. We were tasked to prevent the rioters getting into Stirling Town Centre. Our commander basically shat it and froze. One of the Sergeants was ex forces regular and it was his order 'batons' that got things done. A few skulls were cracked that night and none of them ours. With these people you have to take the gloves off, forget community policing and get stuck in and show them who's in charge. Ahh the good old days.😃
@@MrRedeyedJedi The disturbances have nothing to do with Islam. They are the result of a bunch of lies told about a 17 year old Welsh kid, who is Christian, who has severe mental health issues. We should be protesting about the failure of mental health care, which is the result of 14 years of under funding by the previous government, not throwing rocks at the police.
@@johnnunn8688 The number of people involved in the violence is tiny. We know from the arrests so far the majority of the offenders were bussed in from other areas. This is an orchestrated attack on the UK.
Firstly. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!😁😁😁🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾 In regards to Tin City, i did training there and also acted as CIVPOP. Great times.👍👍👍 I remember having to do Tin City guard. Units in Sennelarger had to guard the compound when training was not being conducted. We used the facilities in the Fish & chip shop to cook our meals & make brews.☕️ During the Petrol Tanker strike in the 1970's i was attached to 66 Sqn RCT. We had recently received the first batch of Foden TTF's into the British Army. We deployed to NI to supply fuel to the bases around Belfast. I remember us driving and a kid of about 9 ran out and 'bricked' the lead vehicle! Our Troop Staffy jumped out of the cab and chased the kid down an alley and gave him a 'clip round the ear'.🤣 Not really the thing to do, as it could have been a 'set up'. Like you say. Rioting and our drills were 'Premiership'. In Britain, the police cannot use the resources that we used in NI. But on the continent they take no crap. CS, Water Cannons, whatever is needed to quell the riot. Here, we worry about getting sued for being 'heavy handed'🤬 My take on it is, you want to riot. You get what you deserve! You are infringing on innocent peoples rights!🤬 Looking forward to your next challenge. I will obviously promote it on my channel also. Till the next time. LETS TAB!👍👍🤜🤜
Bonjour, Thank you for mentioning France at the end of your video I do appreciate it . We carnt understand what going on in the UK, with everything going on. I failed the medical for selection in France I been told its a technical issue. Not because I am ill or anything I been told, Its a set back but still keeping focused. I did the 10km selection test I wasn't the last. They had one feeding station on the course to stop at, So keeping out and tabbing. Merci
Sorry to hear your selection results Jean-Marc. Looks like the French Armed forces have let a good man slip away from service. All the best for your future 🇨🇵
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd good news still in the running but its a technical disqualification so still doing the training and still have the main interview they call the motivational interview in October, It now depends on the assessment in October if you totally dont continue to the next stage. Its a paper work issue with the medical as the family have moved around France and your not registered with a DR this type of thing,
I'm not military, or ex services, I've served two Monarchs, and so have members of my family, listening to you chat about Op Banner, is just like listening to my brother, Crack on mate, glad the algorithm suggested your channel !
@@grimsqueeker8335 sorry to pop your forelock tugging fantasy, but the royal family is not the 'boss' of anyone. Furthmore, as you say you've not even served in the armed forces then you don't even owe them allegience.
Now, here IS a story. During our PDT for TELIC 4 with 1 PWRR we where in Lydd & Hythe at St Martins Plain. We'd got to the "Public Order" training part were we were split into two groups which were, Gp1, PWWR and Gp2, everyone else. There was quite a few TA attached to 1 PWRR for TELIC 4. During the training one group would take on the role of the security forces while the other would be CIVPOP. During our time as SF the CIVPOP would attack the baseline with baton rounds, throwing them at the shields, HOWEVER, when it was our turn to be CIVPOP the 6 of us from Northern Ireland went out to the flanks where we would throw the baton rounds from the side which landed behind the shields!! We scored quite a few hits LOL. Maybe that was just an NI thing 🙂. After the SF drove us back behind one of the gates which was the demarcation line one of PWRR's DS, If I recall correctly, WO2 "Nobby" Clark, said at the time, a riot isn't a riot without Irish voices. Good times Keith. I'm still in contact with friends from 1 PWRR even now some 20 years later. FAB, Unconquered, I serve
My mate lives on the road in Southport. he said none of the rioters were local. Thugs from away just after a fight. The families have lost children or have victims in hospital, and they these ppl turn up and smash their homes and environment . They are not wanted.
You don't mention the Muslim man who was arrested on his way to attack the vigil for the murdered children ... Locals chased him down and helped police .. to get him arrested .. and word spread ... So local men was involved in the riot ..
2 things, 1st in 73 ( JLR) we did Civ pop for police, and they were not holding back.. 2nd on NI training (in our own camp). 1 of our officers caught fire. Most damage was caused by his lightweights melting.
Although I never served in NI. The current riots have actually united the Republican and Loyalist factions. I never thought I'd ever see the day when Irish Tricolour and Union flag were flying side by side! It's a strange World we live in.
No they haven’t. Those dickheads waving tricolour’s in Belfast yesterday are not republicans. They’ve never ever challenged the British occupation of the north. Don’t be fooled by them.
Those were from Coolock says No and the response to that was widespread condemnation by Nationalist Groups Left and Right. To march with Unionists is the equivalent of a Turkey voting for Christmas.
They were from the tiny right wing minority in Dublin. No more Republican than Ian Paisley was. They were actually sharing a platform with a Loyalist sectarian murderer. The Irish press has been giving them pelters for it.
Aye Up Keith, yet again you’ve picked a great topic waking up the old memory cells. #1. Fun - you’re right there - so long as you didn’t get hurt too badly; #2. Some people drilled a 2 inch round hole in the 6ft shields at stomach height. Apparently. #3. I also heard that D cell batteries fitted in baton guns; #4. There are (spent) examples of the rubber bullet and ankle breaker baton rounds on my shelf right now! #5. As a junior soldier in the early 1970’s I took part as a ‘riotous picket’ for South Wales Police Force training for industrial disputes (anyone remember those?). By ‘eck, those coppers were big m………s! #6. I mostly served in South Armagh, not many riots there just the odd ‘disturbance’ 🤣. But I did once drive a pig for the infantry in Belfast; #7. My NITAT training was at Lydd & Hyth - loved it. Some late comers did NIRT at Palace Barracks and The Markets IIRC. #8. By the time that I did the Arrest and Restraint Instructors course, riots were far fewer, but the training came in for my next career; #9. When I joined the boys (and girls) in blue there were still many with experience from the 1970s industrial disputes, the miners strike(s) and the inner city riots of the 1980s. They definitely knew what a real riot was! #10. Even in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s when large scale trouble flared up in inner city areas it often included bricks, stones, petrol bombs, machetes etc. #11. The Police today have everything they need - gas, baton rounds etc if things escalate; #12. What today’s police don’t have is experience; leadership and the morality to put them on the right side of history!
@@johnnunn8688 No pal, firing an frg in that way could be very dangerous for the firer and a potential target! When you hold a 6ft shield, you hold it on one arm, your baton is in the other. If a rioter comes forward and grabs the top of the shield with both hands and then falls backwards or kicks the centre of the shield it can be hard to counter. With a hole in the shield at the correct height the baton can be thrust through the shield and the assailant goes down like the proverbial sack of. 🙂
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd watching the build up as the prison riots were being orchestrated around the uk in (I think it was 1989) there was occasions when I seriously believe that plants were placed into the system to purposely escalate tensions to breaking point. When it did break the evil in the air was tangible. Basically I got my self defense stick and looked with intent at anyone coming near me that I did not know which thankfully worked. Scary times for sure
God I RememberThat Dining And Poxy Kitchen Behind The Gates At Lydd Drop The Food In Before You Lads Went And Had Your Riots We Could Hear It All From Main Kitchen Area Outside It Was Mad Remember Having To Go Ashford Hospital One Year With One Of My Chefs There Was About Six Army Lads Come In At The Time Injured Lol Crazy You Lot But In Nice Way Lads
Hello there from the Philippines. 27 year retired Canadian Armed Forces. Lots of veteran pensioners here. Great channel. Keep up the great chats. I remember serving with PWRR at Banja Luka Metal Factory in 2001. Good bunch of blokes.
@TheFullcanopy It takes getting used to with the wet weather and humidity but no winter. The biggest thing that I realized here is to have a firm budget amd to know the right price for things. My wife does most of the money handling for paying for things so that I don't pay "western" prices. Driving takes getting used to. Not many traffic lights..I got a 4x4 Hilux because of the rough roads where I am in Bicol -Camarines Sur.
I am 71 did P company in Aldershot in 1974 but failed the course. I am shocked at the rioting on the streets but even more shocked at this governments response. Starmer is not the man for our time and unfortunately has failed the course. The police have a tough job but often bring it on themselves with aggressive and horrific behaviour and they are never held accountable.
Happy first year anniversary! One of my favourite channels, I wait to watch them when I won’t be interrupted 😊 I loved a good riot me!!! Helmet Mk.6, visor, INIBA and NI Gloves(still the same pair over 30 years later 😊). CS was used in the very early days in NI but was too indiscriminate and its use had all but finished in NI by mid 70’s. Used Baton Rounds were great as everlasting dog chews 😊 FCOrders for the FRG’s were normally given by the Multiple Commander and sounded something like “Scrote to your front, on my command.” which gave you quite a range of targets. NITAT was always great fun. I spent 10 days with two other fellas playing the part of an Active Service Unit. The DS left us to plan all our own hits and we had several range vehicles and an RE fella to set up “charges”. Great fun until the final day when we had to be caught. They stuffed our clothes full of nettles and left us face down in the rain for several hours (we were dead). Great fun! Sorry to see that the Plice For es are totally unprepared for the riots in England. Soft caps, short sleeve shirts!!!! Poor base lines. Showing fear (lack of training) etc. Even the Police Service of Northern Ireland’s skills have really fallen. We need to do what the European police forces do. After all, big boys games, big boys rules! All the best, Ian
@@Katmando376 my recruit cadre was at the Prince of Wales depot in Lichfield Staffordshire. Every regiment was there as I remember, Mercians, royal Anglians, Staffs, WFR and so on not sure if half those regiments exist anymore.
Longmoor for me was enduro on motorbike....happy days....signs in the woods saying do not dig due to ordnance......meanwhile massive ruts from the bikes😂😂
Nice one. Derrybeg Estate, Newry. Patrol paid a visit to the home of a known hooligan who was a nuisance to us and to the local community. While the lad's mother was being spoken to on the doorstep the two blokes accompanying the interviewing SNCO took sips from tea cups they'd packed into their patrol packs and passed each other biscuits on a dainty china plate. Observed by local community who later bricked the house windows, suspecting her of 'collaborating' with security forces. How we laughed.
Keep up the great work Keith I just missed your last walk, I bet there's plenty of subscribers including myself would love to join you on this next one. Deffo sponsor you and Traceround.
I never got to NI, but had great 2 week fun doing CivPop at Sennelager. "Fort Nite", living as a civi. The "town" was Killimurphy, a mock up of Ballymurphy. Riots every Friday afternoon, it was compressed peat bricks that we threw. We were there doing it for the Gloucesters, in about '88.
Drumcree 1998 I still hate fireworks to this day 😒...I did my Riot training in Tin city Sennalarger ...they busted hundreds in to Riot against us and they didn't hold back
l enjoyed your musings about 'Rioting, ' your experience of the 'Troubles' ... You remind me of my father and other ex military men l have known recalling their time in the service. Reminiscence of their brothers in arms, funny stories etc!. My father was in the 14th Army in Burma during WW2 he very rarely spoke of his time there, when he did it was the 'lighter side'.. Sometimes the decease ridden stinking jungle,! the heat lt wasn't until the early seventies series The World at War when l saw who and what the 14th army endured....Compared to him and his comrades lives mine has been uneventful... Regarding the police riot squad....it's almost like they have one hand tied behind their backs... l now live in Spain where Water cannons tear gas and batten round are used to suppress rioting... ...Plus of course the Guardia Civil and the National Police are armed...
In my twilight years after a short stint over 50 odd years ago in the Engineers I have to ask why is there the need for 'charity' for veterans, why won't the Govt look after the ones in need after they put their lives on the line for their political masters? Could it be they don't give 2 fecks about the peasants after they have outlived their use and are discarded like a worn out damaged toys. I was fortunate enough to not witness any full blown horrors of actual war so escaped the trauma of any PTSD. The only riot/insurrection training we did was at Thetford and that entailed and I quote from the 2IC's brief I saw 'the containment and control of the indigenous population in time of civil uprising'. Through the whole week camp we never saw our opposition with their hit and run tactics. Turns out they were a bunch of porridge wogs from north of the border and to their credit very skilled in their job at giving us sleepless nights and we never snared one of them, if it were the real thing I would not be sitting here typing this sorry tale.
Long in the tooth still serving soldier here! 2000 in Kosovo I got sent to a town called Mitrovicé for a demonstration by Kosovo Albanian students. 200 members of 2 RGJ plus some Canadian troops against 10000 students on one side and the counter demonstrators (Serbs) on the other with some French troops chucked in (Mitrovicé was in the French controlled sector of Kosovo) for sh*ts and giggles (we'll come to that later). Day started quietly, my team in a snatch wagon sent to do VCPs on the outskirts of town. Began to get spicy as the day progressed with thousands of students arriving from around Kosovo. Only one bridge in Mitrovicé across the river dividing the Serbs from the Kosovo Albanians, you can imagine the situation brewing? Prevent the two sides meeting on the bridge! First job, get back to our FOB in the Gym next to the bridge, trying to drive a snatch through a crowd without killing anyone is not easy, managed that but lost my interpreter in the process when she got out to tell people to get out of the way! Eventually said terp turned up safely. Then spent the rest of the day trying to stop thousands of students crossing a bridge. No respirators, no helmets, no shields, no batons. CS gas fired from the French landing amongst us (us picking up the canisters and throwing them into the crowd whilst choking on the gas), forming a human chain to stop the breakthrough of people, building a wall out of Warrior IFVs, rugby tackling anyone who broke through the line. It was absolutely mental! The RGJ called it the Thin Green Line, proud to have been part of that moment in history. ua-cam.com/video/f55lvc3jhNY/v-deo.html
Did civpop enemy for Sandhurst as IDB. Great Fun. Sneaked up on base Sanger, placed on explosives ripples as sentry change over was a bit of a brief. Later fired 40 rnds blank from mg & triggered ripples which made a very convincing thuds on the concrete Sanger. Apparently it was very realistic to the student. That kicked off our campaign in the village culminating in a riot /ambush. Got snatched but escaped , just. Then we all had a beer after end ex . That was a great weeks training on all aspects. NI was very detailed. The Police are not up to it as an organisation too that level. Did 21 years Police. 10 in public order teams. These troubles ! are not going away.
Think you end up with riots when Governments ignore problems and don't listen . There is also an element that hates the establishment who like to travel .
I joined the RAMC in at the beginning of January 1966. When "The Troubles" kicked of (and being very aware of the situation, as all Irish folks were), I immediately applied to be transferred to the Six Counties. My application was denied on the grounds that 1st (of which I was one) and 2nd generation Irish were not (at least at that time) to be deployed there. Is that really true? I've never received any definitive answer to that particular question. Did my CO fuck me over in that respect? I'd really like to know - even after all these years. MsG
@@gionncaomhinmorpheagh4791 I know several guys from Belfast who signed up in to RSigs, RMP, RASC and told they’d never serve on Op Banner. Guess where they ended up………..
Love from old. Ireland 🇮🇪. At last. It good to. See. Good decent. British 🇬🇧 and the English 🏴 people. Stand. Up. To theses corrupt politicians. They don't care. I hope. The. British 🇬🇧 people. Stand peacefully. In protest. To get this government out and to go now!..
I remember doing public order stuff before telic 6 at caerwent and all 9 stone wet through of me getting sent into orbit by one of our Fijians who was playing enemy when he came running at me full tilt and hit my plastic shield with the same velocity as a freight train 😂
Great film ..i was in a riot got twatted on the head by a police colleague when asked why he laughed and said sorry mate i just had to twat someone lol😂
That’s what surprised me about the police. No snatch squads targeting ring leaders, no real cohesion and lots of space between each constable in places. Maybe they thought grabbing people would make things worse and the leaders decided to just film the main perpetrators and arrest them later. I have my doubts about how well that works and I don’t think it’s the greatest idea when shops, members of the public’s cars or property is being destroyed or damaged.
Outstanding yep u were spot on the paddy's had it down to a fine art I think today's riots are what's the word snow flakes I had meny a good frakass down the falls road .Alltwen best to u and yours
Gd luck on ya tab m8. Gd too see ya m8ty grate work keep this up n rolling out 😊 top info on the show today m8 keep the gd work up an running an get in tuch mucker 😊
My Son is a Signaller, with 2Sigs.. I honestly believed he was on our side. I thought they all were. Having just had the final conversation my son and I will ever have,, he's made it clear the army are NOT on our side. We are now estranged and always will be. This is how badly this politicisation is affecting us. It's tearing families apart.
Im very sad to hear that you have fallen out with your son over this. Maybe, in time, things will settle between you two. I really hope so. My thoughts are with you both.
What I don't understand is why most of the hatred, regardless of the issues, is directed at police officers. Let's remember that these officers are individuals supporting their families, and many of them are veterans. The real problem lies with upper management and politicians. I wonder how many veterans were involved in the riots? It's very sad to see veterans clashing with each other.
Your title tells me that you were a member of 59 Commando Engineers, working with 45 Commando, I served down the Falkland Islands when they were deployed down there👍
Hi Tony, no wasn't 59 Cdo, the 59 in my Lets Tab 59 title references my birth year, 1959. I was originally RA then Queens Regt and after amalgamation with the Royal Hampshire Regt PWRR. Thank you for your support 🙏
I did 30 years with the RAF as a grease monkey, fixing anything that was mechanical transport, and yes that included pushbikes, including the most technical support vehicles. I was attached to the RAF Regiment for three years supporting global operations, one of my most memorable times, where you were a soldier first and technical support second. I served operationally in the Falkland Islands for seven detachments and made many friends down there. The first time I went down there and landed at MPA, my mates were rushing off the kite and I asked them what their big rush was to embark the plane, they advised me to keep up and grab a sheep, I stupidly asked why and they said you don’t want to end up with an ugly one for the next 6 months ahead 🙈🙈😂
Harvest looks like it’s going to be a bit late this year where you are, looking at the fields you’re tabbing through, all cut and baled down here in the South West of France 😎
I remember when I was a teenager being stopped from going over to Liverpool when the toxteth riots where on. If I remember correctly toxteth was the first time plastic bullets where used on mainland Britain. Correct me if I'm wrong
If my memory serves me correctly, it was tear gas rounds that were first used on the British Mainland in the Toxteth riots in July 1981. The Manchester riots, which occurred a few weeks later, were broken up using tactics involving the use of vehicles.
I remember doing some training where we had to go into a village that had been made up as if an insurgent battle had taken place and we had to detain anyone suspicious. All the time we had to be non aggressive and keep our weapons lowered and they simulated the media filming us to try and get us to realise we were under scrutiny. It was pretty harrowing as I led a team who came across a guy played by an officer who had a pistol in his belt and I noticed he had wrist watches all up his arms so I took the step to arrest him. What I noticed was how the adrenaline was going even though we knew it wasn’t real.
hi Keith hope you see this, just to say i have that book by John Robinson...Fear of Consequence of Failure and can hardly put it down, very interesting, thanks to you and John
Hi, thank you for commenting. I'm glad you enjoyed John's book. I too was unable to put it down it really is a great read. Hopefully John will see your comment. Thank you Keith
Dear Keith, I had pre-deployment trg in Lydd in prep for NI & a hellava lot of FIBUA. Urban Myth: use a 'D' cell battery instead of a rubber bullet, never witnessed but heard of 'somebody-who-did' Best Wishes to TR & Yourself Johnny
Military efficiency carried out by a disciplined force is nothing to be toyed with lol. The police don't train at the intensity levels that match the seriousness of the situation. They always have that escape hatch mentality. Soldiers are trained to stand and move forward to the fight not hold.
I'm from Southport originally... IMHO - The powers that shouldn't be want the riots to proceed in order to claim a general state of emergency, thereby suspending parliamentary procedure, thus ushering in marshal law aka totalitarian dictatorship. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is their desired destination... In short that is why the police are inadequate trained and selected in the first instance. What is glaringly obvious is that women do not belong in the front row of a police riot squad, let alone on the battlefield. But having said that I'm all for equality... Don't forget the wef controlled treacherous gov.ban.ment mantra, 'Diversity is our strength!' - utter bolox....
When we did our Northern Ireland training, the troops that wete not going played the civilians, they all took it seriously, they arrested 2 suspects and put them together against the wall, one had grassed the other one up so he attacked him, one of the soldiers hit him in the head with the but of his rifle, all the instructor had to say was "they just learnt not to put them together".
Dont forget raf, and rn and rm they were there too. Fost conducting sea bourn training, a team came on board and did everything from nbcd, damage controll, man overboard and weopons drills . Fleet operations and sea training, was based in portland now in rosyth. We called it thusxay war.
I was in Hong Kong in the army we trained with pick shaft and a small shield like a dustbin lid, so someone at you welding a pick shaft and prepared too use it think twice
If you look at what happened at Manchester airport I think you will agree that the police demonstrated little if any self defence training, and were lucky that they had superior numbers, although only just.
Behave in a orderly soldier like fashion. Then there's N.I.R.T. What you can expect is - you arrive at Belfast airport where your greeted by two guys with pistols who are your driver/escort. You will will in the back of a van with no windows and the vehicle travels at speed to the undisclosed location. after Gulf war one I found myself in Londonderry, Belfast and South Armar. The women and children did throw house bricks and spat at our snatch Landover's when we stopped at traffic lights. I refueled Puma/lynx at The mill and did time at Visa Besbrook. Returning home on leave was the strangest experience after N.I. I felt like I did not fit in anymore.
Hi Keith that didn't seem that long ago back in 1987 Op fondant ( Feb-May ) training in that lovely tin city lol I still have the tankard like so many of us
Agree with you Keith. I saw the videos of the riots and there seemed to be no command and control or strategy by the police. As we know the army would have done it differently.
Hey Tab, I have an intresting question for you and your viewers, because of the present state of the country under herr starmer and with the breakout of riots and demonstrations against present goverment, in the unlikely/likely event of a 2nd civil war what percentage of the forces would side with the people i think it would be low about 35% what do you and your viewers think ?
That's a very interesting point. I really don't know what the outcome might be. Many units may follow whatever orders their commander's issues. Difficult one that.
While i was based in Girdwood Park a camp in North Belfast a riot on the Antrim road side of the camp was brewing By tea time all the locals cars had disappeared from the strrets and nobody in sight a good indication something was brewing As it got dark about 2100 the locals came out to play paint bombing the sanger with the odd petrol bomb for good measure, while trying very half hearted to force the gate. What they didn't know was that there were 2 companies of the Spearhead Battalion in Girdwood, the other companies based elsewhere in Belfast . The Spearhead Battalion was the Black Watch, and they were allowed by their OC to have some drinks in the JRC By 2300hr the brass had decided that playtime was over for the locals So theJocks formed up behing the gate with short round shields pick ax handles and FRG's. As the gate opened, the crowd surged forward and then ran when they saw what was coming at them 2 minutes later. The place was deserted the Jocks went back to the bar
Aah yes, combat indicators, like all the kids suddenly disappearing off the streets; all the house windows front and rear suddenly being opened; the PIRA Maltese cross J4 ambulance appearing in the vicinity!
It was the same with mainland inner city riots in the 1980s, especially in the summer, the atmosphere suddenly became strange, you could practically smell trouble coming in the air.
@@jaegarfiftyeight8048 What is a PIRA Maltese cross J4 ambulance ?
@@Bizz55 It was awhite Morris J4 panel van with a black Maltese style cross painted on the sides which used to suddenly appear in the vicinity of troops and was recognised as a combat indicator for a possible upcoming incident (an attack on troops). It’s purpose was assessed as being an ‘ambulance’ for the enemy in case they became the casualty!
Bollocks
Very good point. For the police to take such heavy casualties in a low level riot shows dreadful leadership and organisation.
DEI recruitment has destroyed the police force.
West Yorkshire Police are LITERALLY having to restructure their entire force because "new recruits apparently didn't realise they had to work nights."
I wish I was joking.
Sadly, I have family on the force, and they're old skool. Big men.
Employing 8 stone, five foot tall women to police MEN is ridiculous and shows just how far this once great police force has fallen.
Kwir starmer big threats are jus hot air.
The police DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY to fulfil his pathetic threats.
I think it's more a reflection of the recruitment standards. 30 years ago coppers were tough. They're a bunch of pathetic, insecure pansies and don't get me started on the females. You can't talk to a copper without them getting butt hurt and start bullying people. I go for 2 to 3 hours tab every evening to look after my blood pressure it's all so infuriating. Ex REME, 80s
The police were not expecting such a disturbance hence why they hadn't deployed specialist public order units to Southport initially.
I served in Northern Ireland over three tours with the Royal Engineers. I saw the violence and tragedy which still haunts me today.
After the Army, I joined the Metropolitan Police just in time for the Tottenham riots. I was an old hand in riot control by then. It still didn’t lessen the horror and the terror.
There is no excuse for affray, no antidote for frustration, through this disorder.
I remember getting slightly burnt on the shin with a petrol bomb on the line at Lydd and Hythe. Then getting told off by the SNCO’s for getting medical help. Great help!
I served 3 tpurs in NI in the 80s and 90s and dont want to see that level of violence on the streets again, it tore ireland apart ,now its coming to the rest of the uk
I'm Irish ☘️. And thankfully. There's peace. But the politicians are corrupt. Here and in England 🏴 and Scotland 🏴 Wales 🏴. They have aloud this. And the British 🇬🇧 people will not lay down to. Muslims ☪️ extremist nutjobs and a corrupt government administration. It will get worse 💥💥💥🔥. Till the British 🇬🇧 nation. Kicks out this government.
You mean "to England".
*English imperialism tore Ireland apart.*
Blair & Brown grinning from ear to ear. 😉
@davemurrell3793 unless you start Operation: Buslift x 1000 ni will look like child's play
There have been a series of small scale disturbances in the UK. The media make it look dramatic, but in reality there are very few people involved. Most of the people present are spectators. I might add, the thugs causing the problems are bussed in from other regions, usually. The disturbances are not spontaneous, they are being orchestrated by people intent on stoking religious and racial hatred.
The horrific cold blooded murder of three little girls creates much division and incites racial hatred too.
Spot on, made out to be a general uproar but it’s a tiny proportion of the general public, nothing like Northern Ireland
I've been saying the same thing.
With regards to last night in London, that was far from a riot. At most it was empty beer cans and bottles. Now during my service, was in a lot of riots in Northern Ireland, plus as I lived in Belfast actually involved in them, however, not against the Army. 😮. I remember we had to have a ready resupply of visors and fire extinguishers. Certainly nothing funny getting your visor smashed with a brick or ball bearings. Not forgetting the piss and shit getting thrown over us, and technically we had to take it. Plus we also had the odd shots fired at us, so lots to think and worry about then. Incidentally, im talking even in the 2000s we only had the snatch land rovers, however, the Engineers came along with 4 tonners with the wings on them. Seen so many of our troops injured especially with petrol bombs, as you know them combat trousers weren't particularly fireproof. I was typing this as i was listening, we used the normal helmet with visor, we had elbow pads and knee pads, plus better gloves than years gone by. Were mad times. I was only a lad when the Hunger Strikes were on, where i lived in Belfast, as soon as we knew one of them died, off we went down to were they were banging the old metal bin lids. Usually turned into a full scale riot, i mean a riot 😮. Fond memories from both sides of the fence, good and bad.
Whites riot
Muslims protest
The new normal
As a retired RUC officer these riots are recreational and low end. Wait until these baby poloce officers have been on the lines for a couple of weeks without a rest day or a proper meal! The level of competence and professionalism in the PSNI and English Police TSG is laughably poor! No command and control.
Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
I have a huge amount of respect for the RUC and UDR. The English Police could have learnt so much from your experience. Maybe the Met and or othe Police services could employ retired members of the RUC as training advisors.
Thank you for your service. RUC GC
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd . Thank you for your comments. The Met are too arrogant to ask for our assistance. We have trained them in the past along with a lot of other English forces, but that had clearly been forgotten. The PSNI is not the Force the RUC was. It is ineffectual, weak and WOKE.
Great work Keith, keep up it up oppo,l really enjoy watching your videos, and your stories, Absolutely brilliant,👍 Steady The Buffs 🏴🇬🇧💂.
Many thanks
I was REME TA for years. One time I was working at Dreghorn in the workshop. To the rear was a car park. It was being used for riot training. 'Protestors' were using bags of spuds 🥔 to lob at the troops. Pissed myself laughing as one of the protestors threw a spud after a break had been called. The sergeant kicked him up and down the car park. I think the troops at the time were The Rifles.
Whilst I never faced riots in the army, my day job was as a copper. At that time, here in Scotland not every officer was public order trained. I volunteered and deployed at the G8 in Gleneagles in 2005. I'd done enough obua training to know that you have to deploy and get stuck in at a speed that keeps the rioters on their back foot. It was a bit of a pain to see that senior officers were so slow to react to the situation on the ground. We were tasked to prevent the rioters getting into Stirling Town Centre. Our commander basically shat it and froze. One of the Sergeants was ex forces regular and it was his order 'batons' that got things done. A few skulls were cracked that night and none of them ours. With these people you have to take the gloves off, forget community policing and get stuck in and show them who's in charge.
Ahh the good old days.😃
Yes, show the islamists who is in charge, not the British people trying to defend what is left of their homeland
@@MrRedeyedJedi The disturbances have nothing to do with Islam. They are the result of a bunch of lies told about a 17 year old Welsh kid, who is Christian, who has severe mental health issues. We should be protesting about the failure of mental health care, which is the result of 14 years of under funding by the previous government, not throwing rocks at the police.
@@Dunbar0740 lay off BBC news mate. Wake up, our country is being invaded.
@@Dunbar0740that was just the tinder box, the population are pi##ed of with two tier policing and have been for yonks.
@@johnnunn8688 The number of people involved in the violence is tiny. We know from the arrests so far the majority of the offenders were bussed in from other areas. This is an orchestrated attack on the UK.
Keep up the great work Keith . I really enjoy the videos 👍
True, they knew how to riot!!! Masterclass.
Firstly. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!😁😁😁🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾
In regards to Tin City, i did training there and also acted as CIVPOP. Great times.👍👍👍
I remember having to do Tin City guard. Units in Sennelarger had to guard the compound when training was not being conducted. We used the facilities in the Fish & chip shop to cook our meals & make brews.☕️
During the Petrol Tanker strike in the 1970's i was attached to 66 Sqn RCT.
We had recently received the first batch of Foden TTF's into the British Army. We deployed to NI to supply fuel to the bases around Belfast.
I remember us driving and a kid of about 9 ran out and 'bricked' the lead vehicle!
Our Troop Staffy jumped out of the cab and chased the kid down an alley and gave him a 'clip round the ear'.🤣
Not really the thing to do, as it could have been a 'set up'.
Like you say. Rioting and our drills were 'Premiership'.
In Britain, the police cannot use the resources that we used in NI. But on the continent they take no crap. CS, Water Cannons, whatever is needed to quell the riot.
Here, we worry about getting sued for being 'heavy handed'🤬
My take on it is, you want to riot. You get what you deserve!
You are infringing on innocent peoples rights!🤬
Looking forward to your next challenge. I will obviously promote it on my channel also.
Till the next time. LETS TAB!👍👍🤜🤜
Bonjour, Thank you for mentioning France at the end of your video I do appreciate it . We carnt understand what going on in the UK, with everything going on. I failed the medical for selection in France I been told its a technical issue. Not because I am ill or anything I been told, Its a set back but still keeping focused. I did the 10km selection test I wasn't the last. They had one feeding station on the course to stop at, So keeping out and tabbing. Merci
Sorry to hear your selection results Jean-Marc. Looks like the French Armed forces have let a good man slip away from service. All the best for your future 🇨🇵
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd good news still in the running but its a technical disqualification so still doing the training and still have the main interview they call the motivational interview in October, It now depends on the assessment in October if you totally dont continue to the next stage. Its a paper work issue with the medical as the family have moved around France and your not registered with a DR this type of thing,
@@Jean-MarcBordeauxBon chance mon ami 👍🏼
Salut de Metz
Ian
I'm not military, or ex services, I've served two Monarchs, and so have members of my family, listening to you chat about Op Banner, is just like listening to my brother, Crack on mate,
glad the algorithm suggested your channel !
You've served two monarchs. Really, how so?
@@Tinker1950 that would be Queen Elizabeth the second and currently King Charles the third. Not Military, who else's Boss is the monarch..
@@grimsqueeker8335 sorry to pop your forelock tugging fantasy, but the royal family is not the 'boss' of anyone. Furthmore, as you say you've not even served in the armed forces then you don't even owe them allegience.
@@grimsqueeker8335 That gobbledygook didn't answer my question. I didn't ask who, I asked 'how so'? Try again.
@@Tinker1950waiter, footman, butler?
Now, here IS a story. During our PDT for TELIC 4 with 1 PWRR we where in Lydd & Hythe at St Martins Plain. We'd got to the "Public Order" training part were we were split into two groups which were, Gp1, PWWR and Gp2, everyone else. There was quite a few TA attached to 1 PWRR for TELIC 4. During the training one group would take on the role of the security forces while the other would be CIVPOP. During our time as SF the CIVPOP would attack the baseline with baton rounds, throwing them at the shields, HOWEVER, when it was our turn to be CIVPOP the 6 of us from Northern Ireland went out to the flanks where we would throw the baton rounds from the side which landed behind the shields!! We scored quite a few hits LOL. Maybe that was just an NI thing 🙂. After the SF drove us back behind one of the gates which was the demarcation line one of PWRR's DS, If I recall correctly, WO2 "Nobby" Clark, said at the time, a riot isn't a riot without Irish voices. Good times Keith. I'm still in contact with friends from 1 PWRR even now some 20 years later. FAB, Unconquered, I serve
FAB brother.
Ian
Thoughts go out to 🇬🇧❤️🇨🇦
My mate lives on the road in Southport. he said none of the rioters were local. Thugs from away just after a fight. The families have lost children or have victims in hospital, and they these ppl turn up and smash their homes and environment . They are not wanted.
You don't mention the Muslim man who was arrested on his way to attack the vigil for the murdered children ... Locals chased him down and helped police .. to get him arrested .. and word spread ... So local men was involved in the riot ..
2 things, 1st in 73 ( JLR) we did Civ pop for police, and they were not holding back.. 2nd on NI training (in our own camp). 1 of our officers caught fire. Most damage was caused by his lightweights melting.
I cant talk but had some experience in nl great channel thank you
Although I never served in NI. The current riots have actually united the Republican and Loyalist factions. I never thought I'd ever see the day when Irish Tricolour and Union flag were flying side by side! It's a strange World we live in.
No they haven’t. Those dickheads waving tricolour’s in Belfast yesterday are not republicans. They’ve never ever challenged the British occupation of the north. Don’t be fooled by them.
Those were from Coolock says No and the response to that was widespread condemnation by Nationalist Groups Left and Right. To march with Unionists is the equivalent of a Turkey voting for Christmas.
They were from the tiny right wing minority in Dublin. No more Republican than Ian Paisley was.
They were actually sharing a platform with a Loyalist sectarian murderer. The Irish press has been giving them pelters for it.
@@matthewbarry376nah mate the enemy of my enemy, can get back to the woodkearne v planter thing after the saracen issue is addressed
A few tossers from Dublin do not represent Republicans. They have since been pilloried and shamed as traitors for aligning with Loyalists.
Aye Up Keith, yet again you’ve picked a great topic waking up the old memory cells.
#1. Fun - you’re right there - so long as you didn’t get hurt too badly;
#2. Some people drilled a 2 inch round hole in the 6ft shields at stomach height. Apparently.
#3. I also heard that D cell batteries fitted in baton guns;
#4. There are (spent) examples of the rubber bullet and ankle breaker baton rounds on my shelf right now!
#5. As a junior soldier in the early 1970’s I took part as a ‘riotous picket’ for South Wales Police Force training for industrial disputes (anyone remember those?). By ‘eck, those coppers were big m………s!
#6. I mostly served in South Armagh, not many riots there just the odd ‘disturbance’ 🤣. But I did once drive a pig for the infantry in Belfast;
#7. My NITAT training was at Lydd & Hyth - loved it. Some late comers did NIRT at Palace Barracks and The Markets IIRC.
#8. By the time that I did the Arrest and Restraint Instructors course, riots were far fewer, but the training came in for my next career;
#9. When I joined the boys (and girls) in blue there were still many with experience from the 1970s industrial disputes, the miners strike(s) and the inner city riots of the 1980s. They definitely knew what a real riot was!
#10. Even in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s when large scale trouble flared up in inner city areas it often included bricks, stones, petrol bombs, machetes etc.
#11. The Police today have everything they need - gas, baton rounds etc if things escalate;
#12. What today’s police don’t have is experience; leadership and the morality to put them on the right side of history!
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What was the 2” hole for, firing baton rounds?
@@johnnunn8688 No pal, firing an frg in that way could be very dangerous for the firer and a potential target!
When you hold a 6ft shield, you hold it on one arm, your baton is in the other. If a rioter comes forward and grabs the top of the shield with both hands and then falls backwards or kicks the centre of
the shield it can be hard to counter. With a hole in the shield at the correct height the baton can be thrust through the shield and the assailant goes down like the proverbial sack of. 🙂
Congratulations on ten years of great videos Sir. Hallo aus Hamburg Deutschland.Kind regards. Michael 🍀
Once upon a time I had to experience a riot within the penal system…, the evil atmosphere was very unnerving
That must have been absolutely horrendous .
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd watching the build up as the prison riots were being orchestrated around the uk in (I think it was 1989) there was occasions when I seriously believe that plants were placed into the system to purposely escalate tensions to breaking point. When it did break the evil in the air was tangible. Basically I got my self defense stick and looked with intent at anyone coming near me that I did not know which thankfully worked. Scary times for sure
Keith, you have made a great community here, well done for tat, and the story of deeds from days gone by, great laughs sometimes. Keep going mate. Baz
God I RememberThat Dining And Poxy Kitchen Behind The Gates At Lydd Drop The Food In Before You Lads Went And Had Your Riots We Could Hear It All From Main Kitchen Area Outside It Was Mad Remember Having To Go Ashford Hospital One Year With One Of My Chefs There Was About Six Army Lads Come In At The Time Injured Lol Crazy You Lot But In Nice Way Lads
Thank you Baz, channel is growing thanks to good people like you ❤️
Hello there from the Philippines. 27 year retired Canadian Armed Forces. Lots of veteran pensioners here. Great channel. Keep up the great chats. I remember serving with PWRR at Banja Luka Metal Factory in 2001. Good bunch of blokes.
Hi mate veteran here looking at moving there, Davos looks nice any advice ?
@TheFullcanopy It takes getting used to with the wet weather and humidity but no winter. The biggest thing that I realized here is to have a firm budget amd to know the right price for things. My wife does most of the money handling for paying for things so that I don't pay "western" prices. Driving takes getting used to. Not many traffic lights..I got a 4x4 Hilux because of the rough roads where I am in Bicol -Camarines Sur.
@@Johnny84mm-sn4gj many thanks
That was really interesting thank you for sharing
I am 71 did P company in Aldershot in 1974 but failed the course. I am shocked at the rioting on the streets but even more shocked at this governments response. Starmer is not the man for our time and unfortunately has failed the course. The police have a tough job but often bring it on themselves with aggressive and horrific behaviour and they are never held accountable.
In 69 when we first arrived out there we did'nt have any riot gear just bayonets, and the old tin shields. That was fun.
This is a really interested perspective of the rioting that's going on. Many thanks for the video #letstab
Happy first year anniversary!
One of my favourite channels, I wait to watch them when I won’t be interrupted 😊
I loved a good riot me!!!
Helmet Mk.6, visor, INIBA and NI Gloves(still the same pair over 30 years later 😊).
CS was used in the very early days in NI but was too indiscriminate and its use had all but finished in NI by mid 70’s.
Used Baton Rounds were great as everlasting dog chews 😊
FCOrders for the FRG’s were normally given by the Multiple Commander and sounded something like “Scrote to your front, on my command.” which gave you quite a range of targets.
NITAT was always great fun. I spent 10 days with two other fellas playing the part of an Active Service Unit.
The DS left us to plan all our own hits and we had several range vehicles and an RE fella to set up “charges”.
Great fun until the final day when we had to be caught.
They stuffed our clothes full of nettles and left us face down in the rain for several hours (we were dead).
Great fun!
Sorry to see that the Plice For es are totally unprepared for the riots in England.
Soft caps, short sleeve shirts!!!!
Poor base lines. Showing fear (lack of training) etc.
Even the Police Service of Northern Ireland’s skills have really fallen.
We need to do what the European police forces do.
After all, big boys games, big boys rules!
All the best,
Ian
I honestly believe that the UK is heading down the same road that N Ireland did, except it won't be between two Christian Groups
hope not mate, hate to see that.
I fear it's gone too far, it's going to happen
I am afraid that what you say is in my mind as well
Europe is on the same trajectory
I think it is going to get worse, only time will tell.
Troops were still using Palestine Box Drill at the start of Operation Banner. Nice one Keith! I remember doing FIBUA Training at Longmoor Camp!
Was in TA in the 80s with the 2nd battalion Wessex regiment we used to do a lot of training at Longmoor camp. Good memories 👍
@@adrianhibberd530 Yes, same times as me.I was with Royal Anglian Regiment T/A 💂♂️🫡👍
@@Katmando376 my recruit cadre was at the Prince of Wales depot in Lichfield Staffordshire. Every regiment was there as I remember, Mercians, royal Anglians, Staffs, WFR and so on not sure if half those regiments exist anymore.
@@adrianhibberd530 I was with 5 RAR based at Hemel Hempstead did my recruit training at Bodney Camp Stamford Training Area in Norfolk.💂♂️🫡👍
Longmoor for me was enduro on motorbike....happy days....signs in the woods saying do not dig due to ordnance......meanwhile massive ruts from the bikes😂😂
Happy Minden Day Mukka.... 🤙
Nice one. Derrybeg Estate, Newry. Patrol paid a visit to the home of a known hooligan who was a nuisance to us and to the local community. While the lad's mother was being spoken to on the doorstep the two blokes accompanying the interviewing SNCO took sips from tea cups they'd packed into their patrol packs and passed each other biscuits on a dainty china plate. Observed by local community who later bricked the house windows, suspecting her of 'collaborating' with security forces. How we laughed.
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Keep up the great work Keith I just missed your last walk, I bet there's plenty of subscribers including myself would love to join you on this next one. Deffo sponsor you and Traceround.
Thanks 👍 much appreciated
I never got to NI, but had great 2 week fun doing CivPop at Sennelager. "Fort Nite", living as a civi. The "town" was Killimurphy, a mock up of Ballymurphy.
Riots every Friday afternoon, it was compressed peat bricks that we threw.
We were there doing it for the Gloucesters, in about '88.
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Drumcree 1998 I still hate fireworks to this day 😒...I did my Riot training in Tin city Sennalarger ...they busted hundreds in to Riot against us and they didn't hold back
I love your work.
That's very kind thank you for your support
l enjoyed your musings about 'Rioting, ' your experience of the 'Troubles' ... You remind me of my father and other ex military men l have known recalling their time in the service. Reminiscence of their brothers in arms, funny stories etc!. My father was in the 14th Army in Burma during WW2 he very rarely spoke of his time there, when he did it was the 'lighter side'.. Sometimes the decease ridden stinking jungle,! the heat lt wasn't until the early seventies series The World at War when l saw who and what the 14th army endured....Compared to him and his comrades lives mine has been uneventful...
Regarding the police riot squad....it's almost like they have one hand tied behind their backs... l now live in Spain where Water cannons tear gas and batten round are used to suppress rioting... ...Plus of course the Guardia Civil and the National Police are armed...
Thanks for your support 🫡
What a great channel. Some good reminisce and important to pass this knowledge on.
They should come to my house at tea time, 6 kids and a roast chicken turns into a riot
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If Things kickoff and Starmer deployed troops on the mainland do you think the military would respond against British civilians?
Yep, some will, some not but they should as they have taken an oath.
Tell you what, you brought back some memories. Ex 1st Bn the Queens Regt.
Listening to your stories brings back memories and tactics I forgot. Agree NI was boring with moments of intense adrenaline.
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Well said Keith S@B
Peaceful protests have more impact than violent ones, your point cannot be ignored when protesting is peacefully, let the others show themselves up.
That is a very important point. Thank you.
3 innocent little white girls were slaughtered by a black man it’s a anti white hate crime and the native population has had enough of it
In my twilight years after a short stint over 50 odd years ago in the Engineers I have to ask why is there the need for 'charity' for veterans, why won't the Govt look after the ones in need after they put their lives on the line for their political masters?
Could it be they don't give 2 fecks about the peasants after they have outlived their use and are discarded like a worn out damaged toys.
I was fortunate enough to not witness any full blown horrors of actual war so escaped the trauma of any PTSD. The only riot/insurrection training we did was at Thetford and that entailed and I quote from the 2IC's brief I saw 'the containment and control of the indigenous population in time of civil uprising'. Through the whole week camp we never saw our opposition with their hit and run tactics.
Turns out they were a bunch of porridge wogs from north of the border and to their credit very skilled in their job at giving us sleepless nights and we never snared one of them, if it were the real thing I would not be sitting here typing this sorry tale.
It's an absolute disgrace that veterans have to rely on charities for support. Even the UK Gov website for veterans points them towards charities
Long in the tooth still serving soldier here! 2000 in Kosovo I got sent to a town called Mitrovicé for a demonstration by Kosovo Albanian students. 200 members of 2 RGJ plus some Canadian troops against 10000 students on one side and the counter demonstrators (Serbs) on the other with some French troops chucked in (Mitrovicé was in the French controlled sector of Kosovo) for sh*ts and giggles (we'll come to that later). Day started quietly, my team in a snatch wagon sent to do VCPs on the outskirts of town. Began to get spicy as the day progressed with thousands of students arriving from around Kosovo. Only one bridge in Mitrovicé across the river dividing the Serbs from the Kosovo Albanians, you can imagine the situation brewing? Prevent the two sides meeting on the bridge! First job, get back to our FOB in the Gym next to the bridge, trying to drive a snatch through a crowd without killing anyone is not easy, managed that but lost my interpreter in the process when she got out to tell people to get out of the way! Eventually said terp turned up safely. Then spent the rest of the day trying to stop thousands of students crossing a bridge. No respirators, no helmets, no shields, no batons. CS gas fired from the French landing amongst us (us picking up the canisters and throwing them into the crowd whilst choking on the gas), forming a human chain to stop the breakthrough of people, building a wall out of Warrior IFVs, rugby tackling anyone who broke through the line. It was absolutely mental! The RGJ called it the Thin Green Line, proud to have been part of that moment in history. ua-cam.com/video/f55lvc3jhNY/v-deo.html
Did civpop enemy for Sandhurst as IDB. Great Fun. Sneaked up on base Sanger, placed on explosives ripples as sentry change over was a bit of a brief. Later fired 40 rnds blank from mg & triggered ripples which made a very convincing thuds on the concrete Sanger. Apparently it was very realistic to the student. That kicked off our campaign in the village culminating in a riot /ambush. Got snatched but escaped , just. Then we all had a beer after end ex . That was a great weeks training on all aspects. NI was very detailed. The Police are not up to it as an organisation too that level. Did 21 years Police. 10 in public order teams. These troubles ! are not going away.
Think you end up with riots when Governments ignore problems and don't listen . There is also an element that hates the establishment who like to travel .
I joined the RAMC in at the beginning of January 1966. When "The Troubles" kicked of (and being very aware of the situation, as all Irish folks were), I immediately applied to be transferred to the Six Counties. My application was denied on the grounds that 1st (of which I was one) and 2nd generation Irish were not (at least at that time) to be deployed there. Is that really true? I've never received any definitive answer to that particular question. Did my CO fuck me over in that respect? I'd really like to know - even after all these years.
MsG
@@gionncaomhinmorpheagh4791 I know several guys from Belfast who signed up in to RSigs, RMP, RASC and told they’d never serve on Op Banner.
Guess where they ended up………..
Nice to see you fit and well Keith
Thank you Sue 🫡
Love from old. Ireland 🇮🇪. At last. It good to. See. Good decent. British 🇬🇧 and the English 🏴 people. Stand. Up. To theses corrupt politicians. They don't care. I hope. The. British 🇬🇧 people. Stand peacefully. In protest. To get this government out and to go now!..
I remember doing public order stuff before telic 6 at caerwent and all 9 stone wet through of me getting sent into orbit by one of our Fijians who was playing enemy when he came running at me full tilt and hit my plastic shield with the same velocity as a freight train 😂
Great film ..i was in a riot got twatted on the head by a police colleague when asked why he laughed and said sorry mate i just had to twat someone lol😂
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Let's hope the Police get the training they need. We need to nip this in the bud.
Dei hire police cannot cope with confrontation. That much has been made clear already.
That’s what surprised me about the police. No snatch squads targeting ring leaders, no real cohesion and lots of space between each constable in places.
Maybe they thought grabbing people would make things worse and the leaders decided to just film the main perpetrators and arrest them later. I have my doubts about how well that works and I don’t think it’s the greatest idea when shops, members of the public’s cars or property is being destroyed or damaged.
Outstanding yep u were spot on the paddy's had it down to a fine art I think today's riots are what's the word snow flakes I had meny a good frakass down the falls road .Alltwen best to u and yours
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A like your Army gear,
I hope,if the army get involved,that they are not manipulated by politicians to make the situation worse.
Can't believe how flat you're piece of the world is , sunny too ! Here in Wales hills everywhere.
Very flat up here, and I have a mountain bike 🫣
Gd luck on ya tab m8. Gd too see ya m8ty grate work keep this up n rolling out 😊 top info on the show today m8 keep the gd work up an running an get in tuch mucker 😊
Thanks! Will do! All the best Jay
You’re doing a great job dude 👍
I appreciate that!
Like the Common Sense Tab, What Our Government Needs Badly.
I like that women in your last story. lol and the patrol commander.
My Son is a Signaller, with 2Sigs..
I honestly believed he was on our side. I thought they all were.
Having just had the final conversation my son and I will ever have,, he's made it clear the army are NOT on our side.
We are now estranged and always will be.
This is how badly this politicisation is affecting us. It's tearing families apart.
Im very sad to hear that you have fallen out with your son over this. Maybe, in time, things will settle between you two. I really hope so. My thoughts are with you both.
He has taken an oath, that’s what he means.
@@johnnunn8688yep and soldiers will follow orders, bless them.
What I don't understand is why most of the hatred, regardless of the issues, is directed at police officers. Let's remember that these officers are individuals supporting their families, and many of them are veterans. The real problem lies with upper management and politicians. I wonder how many veterans were involved in the riots? It's very sad to see veterans clashing with each other.
I know of no other police force in the world that would be so passive in the face of provocation.
Your title tells me that you were a member of 59 Commando Engineers, working with 45 Commando, I served down the Falkland Islands when they were deployed down there👍
Hi Tony, no wasn't 59 Cdo, the 59 in my Lets Tab 59 title references my birth year, 1959. I was originally RA then Queens Regt and after amalgamation with the Royal Hampshire Regt PWRR. Thank you for your support 🙏
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd You’re three years younger than me geez, great time to grow up in Lincolnshire, always something to do with great adventures 👍
I did 30 years with the RAF as a grease monkey, fixing anything that was mechanical transport, and yes that included pushbikes, including the most technical support vehicles. I was attached to the RAF Regiment for three years supporting global operations, one of my most memorable times, where you were a soldier first and technical support second. I served operationally in the Falkland Islands for seven detachments and made many friends down there.
The first time I went down there and landed at MPA, my mates were rushing off the kite and I asked them what their big rush was to embark the plane, they advised me to keep up and grab a sheep, I stupidly asked why and they said you don’t want to end up with an ugly one for the next 6 months ahead 🙈🙈😂
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Harvest looks like it’s going to be a bit late this year where you are, looking at the fields you’re tabbing through, all cut and baled down here in the South West of France 😎
South West France wow, beautiful I'm sure, very jealous
“Long haired General” Im gonna use that thanks 😂
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I remember when I was a teenager being stopped from going over to Liverpool when the toxteth riots where on.
If I remember correctly toxteth was the first time plastic bullets where used on mainland Britain. Correct me if I'm wrong
The police eventually broke up the riots by driving landrovers into the crowds at high speed. Toxteth was a war zone.
If my memory serves me correctly, it was tear gas rounds that were first used on the British Mainland in the Toxteth riots in July 1981. The Manchester riots, which occurred a few weeks later, were broken up using tactics involving the use of vehicles.
It’s actually quite shocking how close training can get to simulating the real thing.
Train hard, fight easy.
I remember doing some training where we had to go into a village that had been made up as if an insurgent battle had taken place and we had to detain anyone suspicious. All the time we had to be non aggressive and keep our weapons lowered and they simulated the media filming us to try and get us to realise we were under scrutiny. It was pretty harrowing as I led a team who came across a guy played by an officer who had a pistol in his belt and I noticed he had wrist watches all up his arms so I took the step to arrest him. What I noticed was how the adrenaline was going even though we knew it wasn’t real.
You get the same adrenaline buzz when ‘flying’ an aircraft simulator, it becomes real.
Great story at the end there Keith. Well done on year of videos
Creggan residents knew how to riot.
Oh yes, agreed
6 foot shields were hard work.
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hi Keith hope you see this, just to say i have that book by John Robinson...Fear of Consequence of Failure and can hardly put it down, very interesting, thanks to you and John
Hi, thank you for commenting. I'm glad you enjoyed John's book. I too was unable to put it down it really is a great read. Hopefully John will see your comment.
Thank you
Keith
Dear Keith, I had pre-deployment trg in Lydd in prep for NI & a hellava lot of FIBUA. Urban Myth: use a 'D' cell battery instead of a rubber bullet, never witnessed but heard of 'somebody-who-did' Best Wishes to TR & Yourself Johnny
I heard it was several batteries. And it was possible to skim baton rounds of walls to give them some spin.
Military efficiency carried out by a disciplined force is nothing to be toyed with lol. The police don't train at the intensity levels that match the seriousness of the situation. They always have that escape hatch mentality. Soldiers are trained to stand and move forward to the fight not hold.
Lydd and Hythe Vet ❤
Fence had holes in places if you were not allowed out !
It's the stories that make you laugh. I enjoyed being a mad lad. Still do.
I used to yomp !! lol.. hats off to you sir !! Banner was a right dust bin lid basher !! lol
I'm from Southport originally...
IMHO - The powers that shouldn't be want the riots to proceed in order to claim a general state of emergency, thereby suspending parliamentary procedure, thus ushering in marshal law aka totalitarian dictatorship.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is their desired destination...
In short that is why the police are inadequate trained and selected in the first instance.
What is glaringly obvious is that women do not belong in the front row of a police riot squad, let alone on the battlefield. But having said that I'm all for equality...
Don't forget the wef controlled treacherous gov.ban.ment mantra, 'Diversity is our strength!' - utter bolox....
He confirmed that the army were not involved in the miners strikes riots.
When we did our Northern Ireland training, the troops that wete not going played the civilians, they all took it seriously, they arrested 2 suspects and put them together against the wall, one had grassed the other one up so he attacked him, one of the soldiers hit him in the head with the but of his rifle, all the instructor had to say was "they just learnt not to put them together".
I once walked thru a major riot with 10 carrier bags of food on each arm..and nobody even noticed me or my mate..
Dont forget raf, and rn and rm they were there too.
Fost conducting sea bourn training, a team came on board and did everything from nbcd, damage controll, man overboard and weopons drills . Fleet operations and sea training, was based in portland now in rosyth. We called it thusxay war.
Really used to annoy me when the news showed an RAF Wessex or Puma helicopter and the news called it an Army helicopter.
I remember the training at Sennelager, ( ?!?! ), at the end, the ' bloopers ' film wilth the song, Always Look On The Bright Side of Life.
I was in Hong Kong in the army we trained with pick shaft and a small shield like a dustbin lid, so someone at you welding a pick shaft and prepared too use it think twice
If you look at what happened at Manchester airport I think you will agree that the police demonstrated little if any self defence training, and were lucky that they had superior numbers, although only just.
Batton rounds are hard pvc?! Ouch, that's got to seriously hurt!
The 1992 Rio earth summit explains all to the, " Cannon Fodder unfortunately that populates the earth ".
Behave in a orderly soldier like fashion. Then there's N.I.R.T. What you can expect is - you arrive at Belfast airport where your greeted by two guys with pistols who are your driver/escort. You will will in the back of a van with no windows and the vehicle travels at speed to the undisclosed location.
after Gulf war one I found myself in Londonderry, Belfast and South Armar. The women and children did throw house bricks and spat at our snatch Landover's when we stopped at traffic lights. I refueled Puma/lynx at The mill and did time at Visa Besbrook. Returning home on leave was the strangest experience after N.I. I felt like I did not fit in anymore.
Hi Keith that didn't seem that long ago back in 1987 Op fondant ( Feb-May ) training in that lovely tin city lol I still have the tankard like so many of us
Congratulations on a year mate ❤the flannel .....sorry chanel 😂
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Agree with you Keith. I saw the videos of the riots and there seemed to be no command and control or strategy by the police. As we know the army would have done it differently.
Strange to see the Tricolour and Union flag side by side in Belfast on Saturday. We live in strange times.
Hey Tab, I have an intresting question for you and your viewers, because of the present state of the country under herr starmer and with the breakout of riots and demonstrations against present goverment, in the unlikely/likely event of a 2nd civil war what percentage of the forces would side with the people i think it would be low about 35% what do you and your viewers think ?
That's a very interesting point. I really don't know what the outcome might be. Many units may follow whatever orders their commander's issues. Difficult one that.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd isnt it just, heres to peace and stability soon thanks tab
This has been simmering on a low light since ‘97 when Tony B Liar became PM. Now someone has cranked the gas up!