Church Vote on Disaffiliation from the UMC
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Pastor Jimmy gives an update on disaffiliation from the UMC and gives info on the church vote to do so on Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:00pm in the Sanctuary. Childcare is provided.
For more information, visit: paumc.com/call...
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How sad you all can't get along. I joined from united church of Christian where conservatives and progressives formed church in 60s as unified church. We learned agree to disagree. Umc needs to get together as Christians and be forgiving to each other
Methodists can become Biblical Christians and worship God at any time and in any place without denominations or their buildings (John 4:23-24).
This unfortunate current split in the UMC reminds me of a similar split in southern Methodists in the 1960s -1970s. When I was growing up in the 1960's South, many churches left because they opposed racial integration, believing the Bible called for continued segregation of blacks and whites.
My wife and I were both sad and excited as we recently transferred from a church leaving the UMC. We have joined a UMC church that is staying the course until the next annual conference. We would have preferred to see our old church support, and the UMC approve, one of the other options than the Traditional Plan. We hate to see the church divided over this issue of acceptance of gay marriage/clergy. We have gay relatives, and it appears to us they were made by God and nature this way, and deserve full acceptance and support in the church.
We suppose the broader issue is how literally we interpret the Bible. We have periodically modified our Biblical interpretations with greater understanding. Like creation, slavery, interracial marriage, divorce & remarriage, mental illness, etc. Perhaps our understanding of homosexuality has improved over the centuries.
There's a big difference between accepting someone who is born with qualities that they have no control over, race and sex specifically. Sexual orientation is not predisposed at birth, but is by wiring, choice, or something psychological that we cannot understand. Accepting homosexuality in church clergy changes the dynamic of what constitutes family. If you're ok with that, then your in the right place for you. Others may not feel the same way. Churches have divided ever since The Church split during the Reformation.
@@RFMaster6 Sean, yet 50 years ago, many churches, particularly in my South, believed racial segregation was biblically correct (and slavery was correct 200 years earlier). They were wrong. I don't really know what you mean by "Sexual orientation is not predisposed at birth, but is by wiring, ..." To my understanding, science has not determined whether there is a genetic link to sexual orientation. For my limited experience with two gay relatives, my family believes "they were born that way". I suggest that 50 years from now, this will be viewed, like race, as inconsequential. Regards.
Race, and sexual orientation are entirely different subjects. One has nothing to do with the other. One is born of a race. That's beyond a person's decision. Sexual orientation has yet to be proven to be assigned at birth, and until it is, is therefore based on a person's decision. Homosexuality is not supported in scripture.
@@RFMaster6 I would say the gays I know did not really choose to be gay. What is your experience?
@@chamber251None. I'm not, but I have known a straight minister who abandoned 27 years of marriage to a woman, which produced four children, for a man in a homosexual marriage. I've had a life long friend, a pastor in a liberal denomination who would all but fall on the sword over the issue by being willing to marry same sex couples. It has not been proven to be predisposed at birth. I don't know what happens, whether it is wiring in childhood, some experience in adolescence, curiosity, maybe a bad/hurtful experience with the opposite sex, or just a depraved mind, but I do know that it is not supported in scripture. It's not supported in scripture, and therefore not appropriate for people who are leaders in the Christian faith.
Being black is not sinful but, being homosexual is.
I didn't even know the Methodists were fighting. Who let's women and homosexuals be clergy anyways? Stupid this is a religion not a social movement. Ugh this is the downsides to Protestantism I hate to say as a Baptist myself. We have so many people who think they know better and suddenly now have a wildly different interpretation of something we've known for thousands of years. '
I think breaking into a million denominations rather than trying to move towards one big movement was why we will see this over and over until we stop calling ourselves Protestant or we move to end the Protest and bring about the changes that are so badly needed for good.
Since shortly after the time of Jesus, there have been hundreds of different interpretations of the Bible and Jesus. It says in the Bible that many people are wrong about their beliefs and are doomed and they don't even know. You can read the Bible and decide what you think it means, but you can't know if you are right until after your death.
If I were God, the Bible would have been crystal clear, wrong interpretations would be impossible. Like a contract or a specification, or a textbook. It is not. It is rambling, contradictory, mystical. You can make the Bible mean whatever you want, just pick particular verses and particular interpretations.
Before the civil war, preachers in the north read verses about treating people well, thus against slavery. Preachers in the south read the verses saying where you can get slaves, that you can beat then as long as they don't die within 3 days, who owns their wives and kids, how they are inherited.
There are many splits in Christianity, and more and more over time, because the Bible is not clear and unambiguous. UA-cam Bart Ehrmnan to understand why.
This is yet another split, always going to continue. Zero possibility that all Christians are going to realize one true correct interpretation.
If I were God, it would all be clear and unambiguous. No drama, boring, but that's just me. Maybe God likes to see conflict and drama?
As Christians we should try to join as one body. The issue though is we shouldn't claim to be of one mind when we are not. When Christians seek unity it should also include unity of doctrine.
We suppose the broader issue is how literally we interpret the Bible. We have periodically modified our Biblical interpretations with greater understanding. Like creation, slavery, interracial marriage, divorce & remarriage, mental illness, female teachers, etc. Perhaps our understanding of homosexuality has improved over the centuries.
For salvation, we just need to follow the way they did it in Acts? They were baptized in water for the removal of sins and filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38!
Here's why! The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. If we are to follow him, we must do the same thing. Death= repentance, Burial = baptism, and resurrection = being filled and rising again from the dead and walking in the newness of life. That's what Acts 2:38 is.
We must obey the gospel, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ...
Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. St John 3:3-5, EXCEPT a man, be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD.
We can't come up with our own gospel. Galatians 1:8-9, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Don't be cursed.
One way for all people. Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans. Our salvation has to match up with the scriptures and no scriptures on the subject can be taken away.
Eternity is TOOO long to be WRONG! st, John 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The gospels show what Christ has done on the cross for us. The book of Acts shows us the beginning of Christ's Church and how to enter the Church, obeying Acts 2:38. The letters were written to the Church to show us how to behave now that we are born again into the Church.
It's better to walk alone than to walk with a crowd going in the wrong direction.
Are we supposed to follow the teachings of the apostles? Acts 2:42, And they continued steadfastly in the apostle's doctrines. Ephesians 2:20, We are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.
Don't get Titus 3:5 mixed up with James 2:14-26, about WORKS. One is a WORK of your OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS OR GOOD DEEDS and the other is a WORK OF FAITH. Titus 1:16, They profess that they know God; but in WORKS they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. God bless you!
We have to show our love by obeying his word / he say clearly it is wrong do not / if do you will not see his face /
@@alanaban3519 Obeying his word includes Acts 2:38. If says without Holiness no man shall see the Lord.
David umuc in umc //nd.D