DEVASTATING Run Bad DERAILS the Challenge?! 50k Hand Graph | $1,000 10NL Challenge Update #2
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Well that was an enjoyable month... one of the most hideous stretches of variance I've ever experienced is now in the books (not that it's necessarily over!), and here is the damage! I was obviously hoping to press on after a decent start, but sometimes the cards have other ideas.
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Ultimately poker is a game of mental toughness and long-term vision. Very few who embark on this journey to make it into a profession succeed. In fact, at some point I tried it too but I just gave up after a longer period of downswings and bad beats, I just straight up couldn't handle it.
I'd say that in the end you need to be so passionate about the game that nothing can detter you from getting better and make a living out of it. I envy those who have that passion...
Even though I am not actively playing anymore I still enjoy watching you go through this journey and I really hope to see you make it.
Thanks a lot for this, it's much appreciated! Thank you for watching.
This graph will show a lot of people how do variance affect good players to not make short term thinking in the game
Its a great example Nick as for content
Im here for like 9month already starting from your stream playing nl2 with 20$ in my account and now im gonna be shottaking nl25 next month
I just remember when i was spamming in the chat "create discord Nick" and now we are reviewing hands almost every day , Rox is joining us a lot and this discord, people are just having fun there and i improved my game like 10 times
Just wanna to thank you for all what you've did up here and i wish you some challange like "100k$ challange" to be super easy and just having fun remembering this one
Hey buddy, thanks a lot for this! Much appreciated and awesome to hear how you're improving. Awesome to have you around
Man, such a great video. Firstly, the upswing is on-LFG. On a more serious note, thanks for being so open about your experiences during the challenge. I can fully sympathise with the fears of people coming to your stream and thinking 'why would I watch this bloke? he's not crushing'... But one thing I am starting to realise and I think is 150% true for you too, is that people are coming to watch YOU play. If they wanted to watch a poker god playing high stakes, they'd be elsewhere (one day maybe we'll get there). People are connecting with you because you're a nice funny bloke-so don't underestimate the value you bring on that front as well. On the poker side of things, I've been going through a similar experience (up $200, now down $200 running $100 below EV) and I feel exactly the same in terms of questioning whether or not you actually know wtf you're doing. The fact that you can reset is really important and I think you're doing fairly well not overreacting to the results. Keep playing, studying and you'll complete the challenge and hopefully I can too haha. One question I'd love to know is if you think it's worthwhile in these time potentially having a private coaching session just to help understand the downswing a little better and make some minor tweaks? e.g. you mentioned focus being crucial. I don't have access to benabadbeat haha but anyone else you'd recommend? Cheers mate and keep it up!!
Thanks so much for this, Simon! The upswing has certainly begun so hopefully we can ride out a big one! Appreciate the kind words and I do feel very lucky that so many people seem to enjoy watching the challenge.
I would say a private coaching session is incredibly valuable but they're not all free, especially ones on the level that I have received! I don't really know of anyone unfortunately! My Discord is a great place to through hands and thoughts around though and I saw you joined recently so hopefully you see some form of value from that!
Thanks again.
So at a 5bb/100 winrate, this will take roughly 200k hands. Definitely a grind, but doable. I recently started playing 10NL snap and it is obviously soft, but I was surprised at how outright spewy a lot of the players are. Keep at it Nick and you’ll get there.
I'd be so happy with 5bb/100 after what I have experienced so far, but I think I need to be prepared for it to take longer at this point. I've taken such an abnormal amount of hits so far that it's going to be hard to recoup that win rate. 10nl snap is soft but short stackers and nits make things a little tricky, along with the bumhunt obviously! Thanks for the support.
Your like to dislike ratio says it all about your vids! Keep it up my man. You’re my favourite poker streamer/youtuber by a mile not even close! No ego, pure just trying to improve and pure love of the game!
Ah thanks a lot for this mate, really appreciate it.
When you go through periods like this, it is one of the most crucial parts of learning Poker, and it's where we learn about our emotions and feelings towards the game. I think I read a book by Peter Clarke, one of his Mental game books and he describes needing to become "An EV robot" but in a more pure simple term, how do we perceive losing? Do we perceive it as losing or just part of the journey? I once told a friend I would always fight every session even when I am not winning and he said "only you see this as a fight" and it resonated with me, I started to find myself to be more indifferent to the result. This framework of course is slowly built up through many long hours of grinding and several downswings, but when you come out the other side and move up a stake or hit a goal you realise "I went through some bad variance and came out the other side fine, so I can do this again and again" and I have done, until where I am now but instead of being $400 below EV and not hitting flops and being coolered for $10 stacks, I am $6,000 below all in EV and doing the same for $200 stacks. And I am going to be doing the same one day, I hope for $60,000 and $10,000 stacks.
And your graph where you win at 21bb/100 vs your downswing isn't just you suddenly clicked and become a 20bb/100 better player, you just have a little more confidence and run better, the power of the mind to be positive and confident can be amazing.
Besides I told you the 40 BI upswing in the next 10-15k hands was coming. Hard time being right all the time (You better not start to lose to spite me).
You're absolutely right, and I haven't played enough poker to deal with this correctly just yet. Part of this challenge was to deal with stuff like this, so in a way I'm glad it's happened like this. Totally agree with the positivity and confidence, that's more what I am nodding at there. Heater inc for sure lad, thank you!
Mate, I needed to see this video today. Them swings, brah. I’ve been running like a cabbage for the last 10k hands but hearing someone else (who I know for sure is a crusher at these stakes) is super comforting. Keep on, brother - killer upswing incoming LFG
Haha glad I could help in some way! The massive regrind is coming my friend, thanks a lot.
Another great update video, Nick. Your ability to reflect honestly on your performance, and your desire to play your best, make you very engaging to watch. You'll run better, and perhaps play even better, in the coming weeks and we'll see $1000 before you know it. Bena is a hero and your bromance is beautiful.
As well as finding them all entertaining, I've learned loads watching your videos and streams; hearing you talk through your strategy has genuinely helped me break even. Listening to your thoughts on mental game in this video, and how you're coping with this downswing, makes me realise I have gaps in my own mental game to address too.
Whilst I may be an annoying blue tag, I'm only there because playing with you is so much fun.
Thanks a lot for this, Stuart. I already feel some improvements and I will be ready for my next downswing for sure! I'm glad to hear I've been able to help somewhat as well!
Hahaha sorry if I get a bit annoyed when you have a full house, you're allowed
@@eastyyy22 No need to apologise, obviously. And you got it back off me with your own AJo anyway. Maybe see you later...
Just caught-up with your latest stream; absolutely creasing over what you said about Mark not needing to actually play poker in his challenge :-D :-D :-D Anyway, nice one for hanging in there during the bad run mate. I'd have had a tilt induced aneurysm by now. Thanks a lot for producing this stuff.
Hahaha I was unhinged that day, all in good fun though. He's a good sport!
Great vid Nick...makes it more interesting when you see the realities of poker👍
Thank you!
Love the transparency. New to the channel. Well done. Reminds me of soul crushing downswings when I used to play a bit in the past.
Thanks a lot buddy!
Loving these bankroll challenges. Having a sense of humour definately helps when running dumpster. Subbed.
Thanks a lot mate!
To be completely honest, how you battle through disgusting downswings like this is what ultimately separates pros from hobbyists. I know myself that I haven't the willpower.
Only way is to fight through it and regrind lad, thanks for the support!
Nick acquires the sigma male grindset: Don't let emotions keep you from completing the challenge.
Doing my best but still looking to improve that area!
Your laying out the struggles we all face in poker. Onwards and upwards from here. The more you play the better you get.
Thanks a lot mate, will grind this one out for sure!
I think losing is mentally easier if you know it's just variance and not your ability. I know what tilts me more is when I think I've made a mistake a lost bc of. it hurts much more than if I've been coolered or sucked out on. When you're learning it's so hard to know/ have confidence that it's just variance and not bad play bc you don't have the skills yet to make that judgement.
I guess having Ben to give you occasional info can definitely help with this!
Variance is definitely a massive part, but I am not naïve enough to think I couldn't be playing far better and that's what I will focus on addressing. But variance certainly affects confidence and judgement I would agree!
Having Ben is all that's keeping me in the game!
Always love an Easty video. Keep up the great work mate!
Thanks so much Keith!
Chin up Nick. Nice to have Bena to discuss this with. Try to play your game, watch for leaks, and work to get to the other side of the downswing!!
Thanks lad, chin is up and we are on the regrind!
Excellent video, one of your best. Yes, it looks as though you are going to be in it for the long haul with this challenge, but it will feel like more of an achievement when you eventually get over the line. Along the way, there’ll be a lot of really great content for us to enjoy. I don’t think new viewers will be “put off” following / engaging with a streamer just because he isn’t running good … every single poker player can relate. Perhaps a bit of grasp of maths/stats is needed to understand how a such a prolonged -EV run can occur despite what superficially looks like a high hand count, but so be it. Obviously you fully understand all this.
Some of your perceived bumhunters might just be players who think it’s fun to see themselves on stream whilst improving their play a bit. E.g. err, me!
Thanks a lot, Alex! You're absolutely right, when I get over the line I will look back on this and be glad it happened. The content coming up is also utterly absurd as you rightly say!
I get tilted about the bumhunt but I wouldn't have it any other way, see you in the pool!
What's even more disturbing than the runbad is that the bumhunters are probably running $130 above EV :D
It's all equally disturbing at this point mate 😂
I've ran pretty bad a couple times at nl10 too. The worst part is when it goes on so long doubt starts to creep in wether you're playing good or not. You start to question wether tilt is causing/amplifying the downswing. Overall mentally downswings suck but ay part of the game. Anyways good luck and hope you run good.
Agree with what you say here for sure! Thanks for the gl.
I remember thinking you'd hit the wall on about Day 4 of the challenge. But after the way you fought off the bumhunters, and with the wisdom you received at Bena's sky dojo, I don't think there's any stopping you
Thanks lad! Bena has definitely reversed my mentality and I feel a lot better now! I know it's a tiny sample but I can feel the difference.
I love this content. I'm learning loads. When I'm a winning player I'll pay you in dollars, sterling or beer.
Great to hear, thanks a lot man!
It's all uphill from here mate
It's always uphill lad
arrghh sorry to hear this, keep your head up and play when you feel in the right state. sometimes a break can do wonders for your mental game.
Yeah I feel pretty good about playing even when it's not going so well to be honest, but I do need to work on it!
Hey ! Thank you for all the content you make, it helped me a lot trying to shot 25 NL. However, I run bad instantely. You're not alone buddy : on 200k hand, i won 217€, EV is 704€. This is awfull, never run like this before. The last 100k hands was the hardest : loose 93€ for EV at +212. Be strong me friend !
You're welcome Damien, thanks for watching! Sounds like a tough run my friend, but we will both come out the other side!
All I see is an all-in-equity-adjusted 7.2bb/100 crusher letting variance shake his confidence. Zoom out; you're playing great. The fact that you make the occasional mistake doesn't make you 100% responsible for your downswing. There's always room to improve, but perfectionism will eat you alive.
Thanks for all the content. Punt Or No Punt has made me a much, much worse player
Thanks a lot my friend! Sorry to hear the vids have made you worse 😂
Only 950k hands to go!
fml
The millions of players who go through this, not as a challenge, but just trying to grow the bankroll so that they don't have to live in the micros. Hard work and then more hard work is not a road many can stay on. Many wander off on trails unknown, never to be seen again.
WARNING your yellow line is about to follow your green into the muck. I am at your exact level of development and on a similar mission to get to 1k playing 10 and 25NL, and this happened to me a few weeks back - shocking downswing in green line in a few thousand hands despite solid yellow. Even though you're saying the right high brain things, "temporal bias" / "still winning on yellow" your primal brain is fed up and broken. Stop playing even for just a few days, we'll be waiting for you
I don't necessarily agree, I feel great at the moment! Better than I have felt in a while about my play.
Thanks for the raid
Gl hope you lose
25k hand heater incoming LFG!
One tiiiime!
Hey Nick, great vid as always, I recently started playing Snap on 888 and I didn’t think you could use a HUD/track hands. I have HEM 4 and would like to track my results if it’s possible.
Hey man, thank you! It definitely works. I don't use HEM so not sure about how to help, but if you join my Discord I'm sure someone will be able to help. Loads of players using HEM on 888 just fine.
@@eastyyy22 I think it also depends if you’re on a Mac or PC - I don’t get a HUD on Snap 888 because I’m on a Mac
you got this mate
I do, thanks! 👍
Maybe try some regular tables, before you start your "zoom" session. It gets me in the zone much better and the winrate is so much higher. You will get there, your a good player :)
Thanks mate! I don't really have time for that but I am feeling a lot better recently about my play, hope I can turn it around!
Amazing vid btw Easty i forgot to say below 👇
Thanks!
Gl! +1 for the algorithm 😎
Thanks friend!
yo nick, im joining ur stream now and then, imo zoom is the hardest, u could try it on 10nl non zoom, 9 table, its easier there, the problem is, if u are used to zoom u get pretty fast impatient, but i think its worth a try
Main problem for me is that I stream and regular tables make it harder to navigate, and they also break.
If youre playing with a HUD next time Im coming in for advertising.
lmao
Any chance to upload a coaching session you have with ben?
There's a good chance I'll be keeping Bena to myself until the challenge is over at this point!
Nick how many tables do you normally play during a 10nl session.
2 with someone in the booth, 3 if not!
I haven't watched you stream but based on a tiny unrepresentative sample your play seems somewhat strange for 10 NL. Do you really need to defend bad hands out-of-position with solver-approved ranges? These guys are mostly playing ABC-poker so when they bet they just have it. Do you really need to randomise whether you open K8o on the button?
I think you should look at that last hand with Q5dd on 876Jdd. Seems a mandatory raise to me as you're printing when they fold Ax or small pairs. You say you don't want to be 3-bet off the hand but this will happen rarely (as a bluff) at these stakes and in any case your flush and straight draws are both non-nut so it doesn't really matter anyway. You correctly recognise that you can't raise the river even when you get there so you're just "wasting" flushes or straights as bluff-catchers. I'd be interested to know what a solver says for the turn there.
I am being semi-coached by a player that I have an insane amount of respect for and have decided to commit to that method of learning, rather than listen to a load of different approaches that have varying exploits. I think this is the best way for me to move forward.
I'll be honest, I one table in these update videos as I am fully aware I will make a multitude of errors while talking about other things.
You can't escape the run bad even when you go to the casino 😅
It's even worse there!
can we see the blue line / red line graphs?
I won't be showing these until the end of the challenge due to how many people who watch the channel are playing in the pool.
@@eastyyy22 but do you have a positive blue line and negative redline with a green line somewhere in between?
The moment you get a flat redline you’ll see your winrate go way up. Doesn’t even need to be positive, just flat
Around minute 18.30 You talk about being focused for all decisions and in same breath call a 5bb open with ATs vs player who as default 5bb open AND wide range.I'm sure you could have put more thoughts into it, especially having reads on villain, and find a way to exploit 5bb opens....
Yeah I am mainly talking about playing on stream. Fully aware I am sacrificing EV when I am playing and talking about a complex issue.
That’s poker folks. So much time spent studying and playing for not that much EV and $$ in the end unless you are a top reg nowadays.
Damm boi those blue eyes 😍😍 (no homo?)
And idea how much rake you paid in total over this sample?
I could look but don't think I want to 😂
All I wanna say is get in the bin sandaman
Sandaman was well and truly placed in the bin today!
!Challenge !EV Hold Hard!
hahaha thank you
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My man
I see your my graph and suddenly my graph is fuk all i have been moaning to my missus about my graph i cant say shit now 😆
Can i ask everyone a question my winrate at 25nl zoom is 2.3 bb/100
over 100k+ hands is this ok because j thought that was prity crap im trying desperately to improve and move up but i want my winrate bigger.
I have discovered that when i only play 2 tables of zoom my winrate is much higher than 2.3 its more like 7 or 8 i have stopped 4 tabling for a while and and just 2 table now
Any winrate over 100k hands you can be really happy with especially one over 2bb after rake! Just remember to keep focusing on improving all the time. 2 tables is definitely best, particularly while you work on your game. Good luck!
@@eastyyy22 cheers bro 👍
u call I answer
My man
Play on UA-cam 2 tables show the hud en start winning
Will consider it!
I have 80 BI under EV after 600k at nl50😁. Just dont Look at this stupid line, it doesnt matter, it only tilts You 😉.
Hard not to when I have to show it at the end of every stream!
guess who's first?
Biggest fan = first always
Had you played tournies you probably woulda finished the challenge already
Not with my MTT abilities!
Third
Good lad!
Seems like you give way too much credit to your opponents. This is 10 nl. Randomizing in any scenario seems kind of comical. And the way you tag players with 96 bb as weak as if the 100 bb players are any better. Do you honestly think there is a single player in the pool who is anywhere near as knowledgable as you are? Why are they playing 10nl?
Also why do you care about your realized EV? Your super unlucky run is literally worth one three bet pot in a casino game. If you're concerned about making 1k then just play more exploitatively. All you're doing is paying rake by balancing.
I learn from a guy that wants me to play in a certain way so I am sticking to it because otherwise things get too muddled. And it's really not about winning 1k, the monetary result is whatever. Just trying to build the channel and do my best.
@@eastyyy22 Best of luck and keep pushing forward
@@Steve-eb8jc Appreciate that mate.