I know it's not a good idea to have three themes in a deck but all three of those themes seem so good and well thought out, it's almost like I wanna build three Otrimi decks
that's really what I'm trying to get at with this series; there are multiple ways to build any commander deck and you can even combine lots of ways to make a strong deck! thanks for watching!
Earned my subscribe. Just recently got back into magic after about 8 years off, commander is my format. Bought all the precons for the first time (i think the value is there this year and i like the new mechanics), going to do some budget upgrades to them all, and now I'm strongly thinking about making a second Otrimi deck with infect. Some of the players at my LGS are brutal and i need something to bring them down a peg or two. Now time to binge all your videos on my day off!
Zach, thank you for the positive vibes! let me know if there's anything in particular you want to see in a vid or a commander you want me to break down three ways!
I like lotleth troll. Discard a mutate card for a +1/+1, attack, get the same card back into your hand to do it again, and you get a cheap regenerate on top of it. I also love Yeva in this deck. Mutate is still casting a creature, and Yeva lets you cast them with flash.
I built her with a lot of copy effects and bounce. Cards like cackling counterpart make a copy of the entire stack of mutated things. Then you can bounce the original with erratic portal or something and replay the original cards onto the copy stack for extra mutate triggers. Its a hassle but its pretty strong when it goes off.
@@JakeandJoelareMagic Here ya go: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/otrimi-copy-2/?cat=custom&sort=name&cb=1588339644 Needs cyclonic ;) ohwell I dont like that card anyway
I tried to upgrade this deck, as my first deck upgrading and tbh I don't think I knew what I was doing. Cause ... well it didn't work. But now I think I know a bit more of what I want from the deck and HOW to play it most importantly. Thank you for the video, I love your videos especially because you don't just have that one way, also your upgrade videos, a lot of people have budget, under 50, and I like that you add some of those expensive cards. I just built a dragon commander deck that's mean as hell. It took me about 2 months at around 50$ a week budget to get the cards I wanted, but its well worth it. My play group hates it 😂 (Commander is Atarka World Render)
As a sultai player myself i initially thought about building an Otrimi deck plus he is the ideal colours to get evasion, infect and protection (hexproof, regenerate). This also made it look too easy so i decided to build a Snapdax deck (never played mardu or boros in edh). Personally i am thinking about infect (obviously), deathtouch (as a removal and a guarantee to survive most combats) and flying, shadow and horsemanship as a way to get evasion. I wanted to have a heroic theme as well to up hos stats but then realized its impossible since most heroic dudes are humans but there are still some useful ones i believe. I also consider some equipments instead of auras and some creatures synergizing with equipments. Those are my ideas but I would love to see how u would build a Snapdax version actually.
@@JakeandJoelareMagic Yeah definitely. I get that doing another one about mutate and voltron after Otrimi might not be as ''creative'' as u might want but these decks are quite different imo since Snapdax's ability is much more interesting and more built-aroundable (lol is that even a word).
Also, when you blink Aetherling while it's mutated, all of the mutated creatures will come back in separately as different creatures, immediately going wide.
I LOVE STARIX, in standard it causes people to quit, when you mutate one, then another..normally by the second one they leave...especially if you mutate onto something with hexproof.
Since we are on the topic of mutates: Can you do a deck tech for surgeon general commander I know he is an unset card buy he is pretty normal He has all mana symbols in his card text so he is a wurbg commander
Haha, I can't tell if you are joking. We had so many people on our tier list get mad at us for ranking her at A, but I will let Joel know, because I actually think the card is great, and I know he will build a three ways for her if someone wants him to. I will let him know haha. Thanks for watching, Jafnan.
The mutate tribal seams to slow due to the cost for the ability on most are very high, but I guess with enough ramp it will be fine, but the Voltron and infect both have great possibilities honestly I would have just passed over this commander without another thought, but you do make good cases for it
@@JakeandJoelareMagic mutate will probably get more support in the future , most likely a creature or artifact that reduces the cost of the ability, maybe even a Commander that as long as it's mutated it reduces the cost or allows you to mutate at instant speeds.
If you mutate onto aetherling and you use its ability to blink. Otrimi and aetherling will come back as separate creatures on the battlefield. Just to let you know to make sure that is what you intended
Jake and Joel are Magic another option that is possibly more efficient in mana use is thrun the last troll and troll ascetic, Both are more curve efficient and can regenerate and one cant be countered In addition, they have regenerate. It is rare to see board wipes that prevent this ability (wrath of god) such an effect is extremely narrow
There's actually only 19 infect creatures in those colors or colorless and 1 is human. Should still be plenty. Plus an instant that creates 2 1/1 insects with infect, triumph of the hordes, and 3 infect enchantments including 1 with mind control.
Took me 6 months to realize Otrimi mutate was kinda poopoo but infect Otrimi is strong. It’s the only Oregon I haven’t managed to win with and this might change that.
7:58 i've cut auspicious starrix because it always got my best Instant and sorceries into exile, really bad card for commander in my opinion, too much luck involved.
This card wins me games every time it hits, you should not be running that many spells, but creatures. This thing has ramped me out like 12 lands (the lands come out untapped!) then use those new untapped lands to mutate starix AGAIN its almost like storming off IT. IS. BONKERS
@@carloserausquinhoyos3298 you get +5 points for passion but -4 points for execution. Looking forward to your next comment, you're up +1 point right now. 😜
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I know it's not a good idea to have three themes in a deck but all three of those themes seem so good and well thought out, it's almost like I wanna build three Otrimi decks
that's really what I'm trying to get at with this series; there are multiple ways to build any commander deck and you can even combine lots of ways to make a strong deck! thanks for watching!
Love the different perspectives of deck building here :)
Everyone is freaking out about how cute that Otter is and I'm just here like: "Omg look at Otrimi it's so cute.!"
Otherwise a decent set up.
thanks, Doc :)
I recommend Sihlana Ledgewalker and Elusive Tormentor // Insidious Mist, hexproof + evasion is a scary combo
Nice thoughts. Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing. I like these additions.
Thanks for your ideas, I will build a deck with a bit of all of those strategies , so it’s also for me a surprise how I need to play it 🎉❤
Earned my subscribe. Just recently got back into magic after about 8 years off, commander is my format. Bought all the precons for the first time (i think the value is there this year and i like the new mechanics), going to do some budget upgrades to them all, and now I'm strongly thinking about making a second Otrimi deck with infect. Some of the players at my LGS are brutal and i need something to bring them down a peg or two.
Now time to binge all your videos on my day off!
Zach, thank you for the positive vibes! let me know if there's anything in particular you want to see in a vid or a commander you want me to break down three ways!
Being sultai , I immediately thought of infect.
Awesome that you have the mean way being infect
Catch ya on the flippity.
Boros gerrard 3 ways
Or Samut three ways, not sure if there is three ways though lol , but those are my next builds.
added gerrard and samut to the list, we'll see if I can come up with something :)
I like lotleth troll. Discard a mutate card for a +1/+1, attack, get the same card back into your hand to do it again, and you get a cheap regenerate on top of it. I also love Yeva in this deck. Mutate is still casting a creature, and Yeva lets you cast them with flash.
Oh those are great inclusions, adding those to my list!
I really liked darksteel myr, troll ascetic, thrun the last troll and cards like those are fantastic for this deck
This is actually a great selection of cards
Thanks for watching. We do our best to build with the cards before we have them physically to use.
Embodiment of Agonies seems like a coolbade to transmute Otrimi onto. Flample and additional +1/+1 counters. Saucy.
I have Brokkos at the helm and went with a combination of voltron and tribal. 50/50 split on mutate/keyword creatures.
That sounds like a great list, can you share it?
@@JakeandJoelareMagic Sure! Would love to get some feedback. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/brokkos-and-friends-1/
Think I'm going to do the same!
I built her with a lot of copy effects and bounce. Cards like cackling counterpart make a copy of the entire stack of mutated things. Then you can bounce the original with erratic portal or something and replay the original cards onto the copy stack for extra mutate triggers. Its a hassle but its pretty strong when it goes off.
yeah, that sounds really strong! have you got a list?
@@JakeandJoelareMagic Here ya go: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/otrimi-copy-2/?cat=custom&sort=name&cb=1588339644
Needs cyclonic ;) ohwell I dont like that card anyway
I tried to upgrade this deck, as my first deck upgrading and tbh I don't think I knew what I was doing. Cause ... well it didn't work. But now I think I know a bit more of what I want from the deck and HOW to play it most importantly. Thank you for the video, I love your videos especially because you don't just have that one way, also your upgrade videos, a lot of people have budget, under 50, and I like that you add some of those expensive cards.
I just built a dragon commander deck that's mean as hell. It took me about 2 months at around 50$ a week budget to get the cards I wanted, but its well worth it. My play group hates it 😂 (Commander is Atarka World Render)
Would love to see deck lists for all 3 variants
They all sound great
thanks for watching, Eric! decklists aren't something I've really done for this series, but I can do that in the future!
@@JakeandJoelareMagic
I'm sure others would love to build these decks.
Blighted Agent is actually a Phrexian acording to orcle text. perfectly valid mutate target
Great to see by boy Trailblazer's Boots in this deck aswell, it's in my Kozilek EDH deck
Such a good card.
As a sultai player myself i initially thought about building an Otrimi deck plus he is the ideal colours to get evasion, infect and protection (hexproof, regenerate). This also made it look too easy so i decided to build a Snapdax deck (never played mardu or boros in edh). Personally i am thinking about infect (obviously), deathtouch (as a removal and a guarantee to survive most combats) and flying, shadow and horsemanship as a way to get evasion. I wanted to have a heroic theme as well to up hos stats but then realized its impossible since most heroic dudes are humans but there are still some useful ones i believe. I also consider some equipments instead of auras and some creatures synergizing with equipments.
Those are my ideas but I would love to see how u would build a Snapdax version actually.
Thanks for watching, Kyle. So you would like to see a Snapdax 3 ways video?
@@JakeandJoelareMagic Yeah definitely. I get that doing another one about mutate and voltron after Otrimi might not be as ''creative'' as u might want but these decks are quite different imo since Snapdax's ability is much more interesting and more built-aroundable (lol is that even a word).
Also, when you blink Aetherling while it's mutated, all of the mutated creatures will come back in separately as different creatures, immediately going wide.
That's pretty sweet actually!
what about infect birthing pod any thoughts dudes
If you blink a mutated creature, all the creatures come back separated, right?
could you share the deck lists?
I LOVE STARIX, in standard it causes people to quit, when you mutate one, then another..normally by the second one they leave...especially if you mutate onto something with hexproof.
right? it just keeps going and going and going lol
Jake and Joel are Magic do full green but drop a gyruda and flame maw in there and wait for it to get cheated out. Scooooopppp lol
What did you replace with those cards
not sure what you're asking? replace what?
@@JakeandJoelareMagic which cards did you take out for mean
I love how Otrimi is posed like "look at my butt? You like that? Yeah you do"
Fun card to add is essence symbiote
definitely has a place in this deck!
Pollywog symbiote too
Everytime I watch this that mean part kills me 🤣😂
lol ty for watching. I try to entertain.
Otrimi Mutates with infect creature and unblockable then attacks, stacking with spells with 6x +1/+1 instant to beat opponent in one turn
Since we are on the topic of mutates:
Can you do a deck tech for surgeon general commander I know he is an unset card buy he is pretty normal
He has all mana symbols in his card text so he is a wurbg commander
Jirina kudro next please, wanna build her
Haha, I can't tell if you are joking. We had so many people on our tier list get mad at us for ranking her at A, but I will let Joel know, because I actually think the card is great, and I know he will build a three ways for her if someone wants him to. I will let him know haha. Thanks for watching, Jafnan.
The mutate tribal seams to slow due to the cost for the ability on most are very high, but I guess with enough ramp it will be fine, but the Voltron and infect both have great possibilities honestly I would have just passed over this commander without another thought, but you do make good cases for it
Yeah, and its hard to build for mutate with such limited mutate support. Thanks for watching.
@@JakeandJoelareMagic mutate will probably get more support in the future , most likely a creature or artifact that reduces the cost of the ability, maybe even a Commander that as long as it's mutated it reduces the cost or allows you to mutate at instant speeds.
If you mutate onto aetherling and you use its ability to blink. Otrimi and aetherling will come back as separate creatures on the battlefield.
Just to let you know to make sure that is what you intended
right. more about saving it in the moment - at least otrimi is still on board so you can mutate on top of it
Jake and Joel are Magic another option that is possibly more efficient in mana use is thrun the last troll and troll ascetic,
Both are more curve efficient and can regenerate and one cant be countered
In addition, they have regenerate. It is rare to see board wipes that prevent this ability (wrath of god) such an effect is extremely narrow
I have like 5 completely different mutate decks and counting. Once you mutate you never go back. literally and figuratively.
There's actually only 19 infect creatures in those colors or colorless and 1 is human. Should still be plenty. Plus an instant that creates 2 1/1 insects with infect, triumph of the hordes, and 3 infect enchantments including 1 with mind control.
good note, Zach, thanks for that
Took me 6 months to realize Otrimi mutate was kinda poopoo but infect Otrimi is strong. It’s the only Oregon I haven’t managed to win with and this might change that.
I miss this haircut, Joel. Bring back the wisp
7:58 i've cut auspicious starrix because it always got my best Instant and sorceries into exile, really bad card for commander in my opinion, too much luck involved.
Yeah I don't really like "random" cards either, unless you can control the effect by knowing what's coming
This card wins me games every time it hits, you should not be running that many spells, but creatures.
This thing has ramped me out like 12 lands (the lands come out untapped!) then use those new untapped lands to mutate starix AGAIN its almost like storming off
IT. IS. BONKERS
c'mon guys, if you're going for unblockable at 2 cmc, blighted agent and invisible stalker gotta be on here
Humans can't be mutated upon.
@@JakeandJoelareMagic damn, I gotta start reading complete sentences before commenting lol
@@carloserausquinhoyos3298 you get +5 points for passion but -4 points for execution. Looking forward to your next comment, you're up +1 point right now. 😜
Build infect / birthing pod you will just get killed all the time
Playing ramp infect against my girlfriend that always plays counter spell decks cuz she pisses me off 🤧
Eeeeee
how cute is Otrimi!