He had to at that point, he couldn't put the presence on the board enough to clear it before enemy's board got too big and he wanted to play the 3/3 legendary.
it was only 1 turn, his argument was 'my minions will deal with it eventually' what minions? the 1/3? That weapon swing was gonna happen one way or another.
I feel like he should've seen that coming. It's a priest with no obvious win mechanism that drew all the cards in the world early on-- of course it's combo.
And until this day, i hate people that play those decks because they thing that having it all gold will grant them the win. I can't remember how many times i have beaten a golden deck
im really happy your showing these kinds of games! in a meta built around quest rogue and everyone playing taunt warrior and aggro decks in order to counter it, its nice to see a creative deck like this one being played. keep up the good work!
isnt it a missed lethal at 10:00 ? he could have used Equality, trade the 4 4 Go face with Tirion for 8 Play pyro and the 5 spell get the weapon Go face for 5 win
At 40:01 I thought: "Oh, the video is almost over. The Priest probably realizes that the game is kinda over since second Tirion and stuff." I was expecting a concede and then... BY THE HOLY LIGHT!
23:40 omfg. After all the missplays in the previous turns and games, Trump NOW takes an entire turn thinking about the best play, when there is literally no way he can lose from this position anyway.
If u actually watched trump you would know he has many free to play decks created from scratch with no money. Ive done it just need to play more for your gold
9:00 I think it's because "+4 attack during opponent's turn" is the tag that gets added to the minion when it's played... then another tag was added to "set attack to 1". The 2nd tag applies after and overrides the first. This is opposed to a "+4 attack" tag being added and removed repeatedly. If that were happening, then the new "+4 attack" tag would take effect after the "set attack to 1" tag. That also explains the earlier "set attack to 3" tag, taking effect after the "+2 attack during opponent's turn" one.
The tar lord interaction is that when your turn starts it buffs itself when you turn ends it debuffs so when you set its attack to 1 you remove its buff but next turn it reapplys it
10:00 Classic Trump misses lethal... Solution: Equality > Send the 4/1 into the 2/1 Taunt > 8/1 Goes face > Wild Pyromancer > Stand Against Darkness > Tirion dies and gives you a 5/3 weapon. Costs a grand total of 9 mana to do and opponent takes 13 (ends at -1 Health) damage.
I think the reason why the attack of the creeper stays the same is that his effect is so to say a permanent spell on it. So if you cast a other spell on it that also changes the attack value, it overrides it's own effect.
I just watched like 4 videos so I forget if it was this one, but I'll go ahead and compliment Trump on his cheesy turn-of-the-millenium lyrical references with "I want to get away..." and one other I already forgot but maybe Eminem "Guess who's back? Back again?"
It sets the attack to 1 because modifiers work in sequential order, not all at once. Because the debuff modifier was applied after the "buff" modifier (+4 attack on enemies turn), the de-buff modifier takes "priority" (although all modifiers are still being technically applied, just one overrides the other.) Blizzard can easily fix it by placing the modifiers in separate lists, or apply "exception" modifiers to the same modifier list. (IE: Modifier set attack to 1 = No If Modifier (add four attack during opponents turn) = yes))
Disguised Toast went over it, the tar creeper not getting buffed isn't a bug, Replacement Effects (I.e Tarim) get applied last. So it changes from a 3/3 on your turn to a 5/3 that is then turned to a 3/3.
Opponent missed lethal 30:30 Cast Spikeridged Steed on 1/1 and go face as well as with 3/1, kill off the Tirion on the 3/1 Peacekeeper, face with Ashbringer. Trump HP 11 (-3) (-3) (-5) -> 0
Trump, I think it is not a bug. The rule that the attack +4 during opponent's turn is overridden by the rule to set attack to a value of 1. Meaning regardless of whether it is opponent or proponent turn, the second rule will still apply.
The question is whether it's supposed to override. I can see two approaches. For both of them, remember the rule that later effects are supposed to override earlier ones. What seems like it SHOULD happen (4:54 then 7:54): 1. Attack set to 3 by Tarim. 2. Opponent's turn gives +2 Attack = 5 Attack on that turn. 3. Back to 3 on Trumps, back to 5, etc. 1. Trump's turn triggers other guy, Attack +4 to 5. 2. Aldor sets to 1, for a bit. 3. Other guy takes turn, then passes back to Trump. +4 triggered, back to 5. What HAPPENS: 1. Creeper enters play with one enchantment worth +0 sometimes and +2 other times. 2. Tarim sets it to 3. Trump passes turn. 3. Because Tarim went after Creeper enchantment, Tarim supercedes it, even when the Creeper enchantment effect is changing. So it gets +2, but Tarim still is keeping it at 3 "afterwards". 1. Other guy enters play with "sometimes +0 sometimes +4" enchant. 2. Aldor sets to 1. 3. Other guy takes turn, passes. +4 mode on enchant kicks in, but Aldor's "later" enchantment supercedes it and keeps it at 1. It's a question between triggered effects making/removing a new enchantment each time, vs a single ongoing effect that shifts between modes. Either one makes sense, but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard changes it since people seem to expect it that way.
10:00 missed leathal : equality => attack with the horse ==> smack face with 8/1 tirion =>Play pyro => stand against darkness ==> smack face with ashe bringer
that miss lethal at 30:28 his opponent had to kill his tyrion against aldor then buff one of his minions and he would have 6 (from the minions) + 5 (from the tyrion's weapon ) = 11 (Trump's hitpoints)
i think i can explain The Tat elementar interaction. the Minion is Coded to have two "modes" that activate in Their respective Turns. These modes aren't buffs, Just alternative stats. therefore in your Opponents Turn The tar Guy becomes a 3/5 Base stat Minion which is why it bedanke a 3/3 after tarim and why The tar Lord didn't Go Back to a 5 Attack after waiting a turn. his Defensive Form simply remembered The debuff and kept it
Trump, out of all the decks you've tried in Un'Goro, what is the best one besides Quest Rouge or one that can compete with it? With all of my extra dust I want to try some new things, is Midrange Paladin worth crafting Tarim and Lightlord?
I think the reason the interaction works the way it does with sunkeeper and the tar creatures is because of the word "set" When a minion's attack or health is "set" to something, it stays there unless otherwise buffed or reduced, right?
14:26 you should try control/midrange rouge. I played 5 packs against a priest. (Elise, 2 Shadow Caster, 1 Mimic Pod and a Manic Soul Caster I got off a Cabal Courier, I got with Swash Burglar) Ultimate value !
that bug has in some cases been fixed and in others left alone throughout history, it is a problem with almost every attack gaining minion and paladin humility/stat fixing effects. Sometimes they change it, like with stb, sometimes they dont. No idea if they will fix it this time.
I guess if tar's effect counts as a buff, then that's why peacekeeper works. A buffed minion's attack is moved to 1 even with the buff considered so I guess peacekeeper's effect just has priority.
tar creeper is suppose to be a 7/5 with the rogue quest but it doesn't i found that out when i was testing. which is total BS since... it clearly says "Has +2 attack" on their turn
How is noone pointing out that missed lethal at 10:00 (Equality, then trade 4/1 - tirion face - Stand against darkness - tirion dies - Weapon face for lethal)
9:57 Missed Lethal: Equality into trade Ivory Knight with Bloodhoof Brave, Attack Face with Tirion, into Wild Pyromancer and Stand Against Darkness, thereby killing the 1 health Tirion and getting an Ashbringer to swing face with. @Trump
How is Trump not trying to squeeze Curator in this deck? You can remove Acolytes and replace them with a Kodo/Nesting Roc and a Primordial Drake. You can maybe even add a second copy of each to make the triple draw more frequent. For so long he tried to make Curator work in decks where it just wasn't good and now when the card is actuallyexcellent he doesn't like it any more?
"A decent amount of people would go ahead and kill the 0/4 there, but what's a 0/4? I'm not gonna use a resource on killing it, pfft." [proceeds to use true silver to kill it a turn later anyway, after the warrior got some small benefit out of it] Oh Trump, never change.
This Deck is good against all top tier decks, however it is dependent on the starting pull from my experience. Plus I subbed Nerz for Rag.... Can't afford Rag yet lol!
"He'll run out of gas soon."
_Murloc deck plays Lay On Hands_
*Always Sunny in Philadelphia theme starts playing*
"I'm not gonna use a truesilver on a 0/4"
> uses it on a 0/3 that also gives the opponent armor
He had to at that point, he couldn't put the presence on the board enough to clear it before enemy's board got too big and he wanted to play the 3/3 legendary.
it was only 1 turn, his argument was 'my minions will deal with it eventually'
what minions? the 1/3? That weapon swing was gonna happen one way or another.
"eventually" "minions" he's gonna play minions and 0/4 is not threatening.
and you expect that to stay that way? what a dreamer
i think it was a good play, 1 armor doesnt matter in this matchup and taunt warior have surprisingly lot of taunts so he could have better target :)
40:10 that moment of realization over 3 seconds was *GLORIOUS*
I feel like he should've seen that coming. It's a priest with no obvious win mechanism that drew all the cards in the world early on-- of course it's combo.
"He doesn't have enough money for the quest"
*Proceeds to play against a fully golden deck*
And until this day, i hate people that play those decks because they thing that having it all gold will grant them the win.
I can't remember how many times i have beaten a golden deck
im really happy your showing these kinds of games! in a meta built around quest rogue and everyone playing taunt warrior and aggro decks in order to counter it, its nice to see a creative deck like this one being played. keep up the good work!
isnt it a missed lethal at 10:00 ? he could have used Equality, trade the 4 4 Go face with Tirion for 8 Play pyro and the 5 spell get the weapon Go face for 5 win
Yeah indeed, nice catch!
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Ankastra i was gonna comment that, darn
Wow nice catch. Stealth lethal.
Are you surprised that Trump after talking about not attacking the 0/4 and almost overdrawing a second time also misses lethal?
Thank you Jens. I always appreciate an unexpected explosion effect. Those make chuckle everytime for some reason :D
At 40:01 I thought: "Oh, the video is almost over. The Priest probably realizes that the game is kinda over since second Tirion and stuff." I was expecting a concede and then... BY THE HOLY LIGHT!
As soon as that music starts you know something horrible is coming haha. God bless you Jens.
40:11 That was the moment Trump finally understood that this play wasn't just a joke. I love it. Nice editing.
maan, I missed midrange paladin. I remember playing muster for battle with quartermasters. good times... and this version seems also pretty good.
*GETAWAY KODO INTENSIFIES*
"His deck is smaller than mine"
*so much smaller*
"How is he lasting?"
It's great to see that Trump plays decks that he builds, doing the science for us. Thanks Trump.
Love you Jens! Your editing makes those videos a blast to watch!
These thumbnails get weirder and cooler, I love it. Keep it going, Jens.
23:40 omfg. After all the missplays in the previous turns and games, Trump NOW takes an entire turn thinking about the best play, when there is literally no way he can lose from this position anyway.
Love the editing at the end, Jens! Keep up the good stuff :D
I watch trump because I'm too poor to afford hearth stone
Trevor Stillson it's free
"Free"
"Free to Play is just an illusion created by the strong for the weak xD"
-Alarak
LuL
If u actually watched trump you would know he has many free to play decks created from scratch with no money. Ive done it just need to play more for your gold
9:00 I think it's because "+4 attack during opponent's turn" is the tag that gets added to the minion when it's played... then another tag was added to "set attack to 1". The 2nd tag applies after and overrides the first.
This is opposed to a "+4 attack" tag being added and removed repeatedly. If that were happening, then the new "+4 attack" tag would take effect after the "set attack to 1" tag.
That also explains the earlier "set attack to 3" tag, taking effect after the "+2 attack during opponent's turn" one.
The tar lord interaction is that when your turn starts it buffs itself when you turn ends it debuffs so when you set its attack to 1 you remove its buff but next turn it reapplys it
Another top notch editing job...cheers Jens
35:26 turns out Paladin has burst
Also, that ending of the last game was hilarious with the editing
10:00
Classic Trump misses lethal... Solution:
Equality > Send the 4/1 into the 2/1 Taunt > 8/1 Goes face > Wild Pyromancer > Stand Against Darkness > Tirion dies and gives you a 5/3 weapon.
Costs a grand total of 9 mana to do and opponent takes 13 (ends at -1 Health) damage.
This deck is so powerful!Thank you,Trump!
the thumbnail art made it clear it wasnt the pally video i already saw where trump was the rider. in this video he is the kodo, totally different
40:01 Might just be your best edit yet, Jens.
I think the reason why the attack of the creeper stays the same is that his effect is so to say a permanent spell on it. So if you cast a other spell on it that also changes the attack value, it overrides it's own effect.
I just watched like 4 videos so I forget if it was this one, but I'll go ahead and compliment Trump on his cheesy turn-of-the-millenium lyrical references with "I want to get away..." and one other I already forgot but maybe Eminem "Guess who's back? Back again?"
He doesn't play quest rogue in either video for this deck. How does it do against quest rogue?
It sets the attack to 1 because modifiers work in sequential order, not all at once. Because the debuff modifier was applied after the "buff" modifier (+4 attack on enemies turn), the de-buff modifier takes "priority" (although all modifiers are still being technically applied, just one overrides the other.) Blizzard can easily fix it by placing the modifiers in separate lists, or apply "exception" modifiers to the same modifier list.
(IE: Modifier set attack to 1 = No
If Modifier (add four attack during opponents turn) = yes))
Disguised Toast went over it, the tar creeper not getting buffed isn't a bug, Replacement Effects (I.e Tarim) get applied last. So it changes from a 3/3 on your turn to a 5/3 that is then turned to a 3/3.
Opponent missed lethal 30:30
Cast Spikeridged Steed on 1/1 and go face as well as with 3/1, kill off the Tirion on the 3/1 Peacekeeper, face with Ashbringer.
Trump HP 11 (-3) (-3) (-5) -> 0
Man the ending of that last game was such trollden moment.
That ending. I love seeing you win and lose. Either way, something is learned.
that thumbnail holy shit XD
i love how he laughs about the murloc deck, while he struggles to get legend and strifecro plays it with a high winrate in high legend :D
Trump, I think it is not a bug. The rule that the attack +4 during opponent's turn is overridden by the rule to set attack to a value of 1. Meaning regardless of whether it is opponent or proponent turn, the second rule will still apply.
The question is whether it's supposed to override. I can see two approaches. For both of them, remember the rule that later effects are supposed to override earlier ones.
What seems like it SHOULD happen (4:54 then 7:54):
1. Attack set to 3 by Tarim.
2. Opponent's turn gives +2 Attack = 5 Attack on that turn.
3. Back to 3 on Trumps, back to 5, etc.
1. Trump's turn triggers other guy, Attack +4 to 5.
2. Aldor sets to 1, for a bit.
3. Other guy takes turn, then passes back to Trump. +4 triggered, back to 5.
What HAPPENS:
1. Creeper enters play with one enchantment worth +0 sometimes and +2 other times.
2. Tarim sets it to 3. Trump passes turn.
3. Because Tarim went after Creeper enchantment, Tarim supercedes it, even when the Creeper enchantment effect is changing. So it gets +2, but Tarim still is keeping it at 3 "afterwards".
1. Other guy enters play with "sometimes +0 sometimes +4" enchant.
2. Aldor sets to 1.
3. Other guy takes turn, passes. +4 mode on enchant kicks in, but Aldor's "later" enchantment supercedes it and keeps it at 1.
It's a question between triggered effects making/removing a new enchantment each time, vs a single ongoing effect that shifts between modes. Either one makes sense, but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard changes it since people seem to expect it that way.
10:00 Missed Lethal: Equality->kill Bloodhoof Brave with Ivory Knight->Send Tirion face->Pyro+Stand against darkness-> Kill face with Ashbringer
What is the music in the background? I hear scratchy violins or do I have tinnitus? I think I first started noticing it at 11:00
6:35
Did he missplay by not armor upping? Not 100% certain, but pretty sure sulfuras does refresh your hero power.
10:00 missed leathal : equality => attack with the horse ==> smack face with 8/1 tirion =>Play pyro => stand against darkness ==> smack face with ashe bringer
that miss lethal at 30:28 his opponent had to kill his tyrion against aldor then buff one of his minions and he would have 6 (from the minions) + 5 (from the tyrion's weapon ) = 11 (Trump's hitpoints)
20:42 was that a breaking bad reference?
Edmond Dantès Sure was, bitch!
36:28 is the best turn 2 I have *ever* seen.
i think i can explain The Tat elementar interaction. the Minion is Coded to have two "modes" that activate in Their respective Turns. These modes aren't buffs, Just alternative stats. therefore in your Opponents Turn The tar Guy becomes a 3/5 Base stat Minion which is why it bedanke a 3/3 after tarim and why The tar Lord didn't Go Back to a 5 Attack after waiting a turn. his Defensive Form simply remembered The debuff and kept it
"I'm such a control freak." Holy shit, he is self aware of his terrible habits.
Trump, out of all the decks you've tried in Un'Goro, what is the best one besides Quest Rouge or one that can compete with it? With all of my extra dust I want to try some new things, is Midrange Paladin worth crafting Tarim and Lightlord?
I think the reason the interaction works the way it does with sunkeeper and the tar creatures is because of the word "set" When a minion's attack or health is "set" to something, it stays there unless otherwise buffed or reduced, right?
Superb editing at the end! :D
I just got another hearthstone ad but I only get them on Trump's videos
9:59 missed lethal. Eqaulity > ivory knight into taunt minion. Attack face for 8 with Tirion. Wild Pyro into Stand and attack face with Ashbringer
Came into the comments for this, glad Im not the only one that noticed.
Obviously twitch chat didnt. :^)
What do you mean? Twitch chat always sees lethal.
Kappa
30:30 ~ Enemy paladin missed lethal. Trade Tirion into aldor, get ash bringer (5) and all face with spiked ridged steed (1)+(3)+(2) for exact lethal.
14:26 you should try control/midrange rouge. I played 5 packs against a priest. (Elise, 2 Shadow Caster, 1 Mimic Pod and a Manic Soul Caster I got off a Cabal Courier, I got with Swash Burglar) Ultimate value !
10:00 you missed lethal there xD equality, trade with 4/4 , 8 dmg to face, wild pyromancer and the 5 mana spell, attack face for 5 dmg :D
The editing makes it so more funny
madness combo works so well against trump because he likes his 1/1 guys so much
Someone can tell me what soundtrack uses trump in this video ... plis
that bug has in some cases been fixed and in others left alone throughout history, it is a problem with almost every attack gaining minion and paladin humility/stat fixing effects. Sometimes they change it, like with stb, sometimes they dont. No idea if they will fix it this time.
DonFabres 100% had lethal right at 30:30 ? 1/3 into 3/1 then hit face with 5+3+ spikeridged steed +1 =11 hp
I guess if tar's effect counts as a buff, then that's why peacekeeper works. A buffed minion's attack is moved to 1 even with the buff considered so I guess peacekeeper's effect just has priority.
But then again wouldn't the buff be reapplied every other turn? So I dunno.
8:30 when you're banking on the game to be broken because you know you're dealing with a small indie company
I really hoped that the Tar Creeper humility wasn't a bug because I love Paladin. #MakePaladinGreatAgain
thanks trump for experimenting with these decks :D
love the editing at the end
Is this deck worth crafting? Having a hard time finding a good deck this early in a new expansion.
tar creeper is suppose to be a 7/5 with the rogue quest but it doesn't i found that out when i was testing. which is total BS since... it clearly says "Has +2 attack" on their turn
the warrior had all golden fucking card!
Is it the slower meta that lets this deck do well or the stegadon and tar creepers?
Hey Trump, what cards do you recommend instead of rag and Elise?
So why didnt the Kodo trigger in the first match as he attacked the Bloodhoof with the Recruit?
that "hehe if he kills me.. Oh my god he is going to kill me D:" lol
How is noone pointing out that missed lethal at 10:00
(Equality, then trade 4/1 - tirion face - Stand against darkness - tirion dies - Weapon face for lethal)
11:19
"Yo nigga, iv got it"
-hydrologist
Hmm, well played.
Chu say?
Opponent missed lethal at 30:30. Send in Tirion to 3/1, buff minion, and go face for 11 damage.
9:57 Missed Lethal: Equality into trade Ivory Knight with Bloodhoof Brave, Attack Face with Tirion, into Wild Pyromancer and Stand Against Darkness, thereby killing the 1 health Tirion and getting an Ashbringer to swing face with. @Trump
Missed lethal at 10:00 :P
What about changing Elsie into Black Knight ? I haven't got Elise, so I went into BK, and that's great actually !
Hey does anyone know what deck tracker trump uses???
it is made after in the edit i believe
28:40 wasnt pyromancer + concecration not a way better play there?
Yo bro I heard you like Getaway kodo with your Getaway kodo.
What can I substitute for Elise, Tarim and Rag?
"[My deck] is just a _little_ bit greedier. Wow, Dinosize!"
holy crap that priest fight
30:30 Enemy has lethal by suiciding Tirion. Next turn he is 1off lethal from the Lightlord heal.
TRUMP MADE A BREAKING BAD REFERENCE AT 20:40 I'M SO HAPPY
How is Trump not trying to squeeze Curator in this deck? You can remove Acolytes and replace them with a Kodo/Nesting Roc and a Primordial Drake. You can maybe even add a second copy of each to make the triple draw more frequent. For so long he tried to make Curator work in decks where it just wasn't good and now when the card is actuallyexcellent he doesn't like it any more?
please keep up with the amazing thumbnails
expecting third video where you are both the steed and the rider in thumbnail now
That eminem touch was welcome
what could i take as an alternitive on the ivory knight?
What is a good replacement for Tarim?
I love the thumbnail change :D
I want to build this deck, but i'm short on dust. Only card i need is the new pally legendary. I regret crafting the shitty hunter quest now.
lmao I crafted the hunter quest because I saw a website recommending it... So many ragrets..
Note to self: Don't play dudes on empty board against priest when low on health
"A decent amount of people would go ahead and kill the 0/4 there, but what's a 0/4? I'm not gonna use a resource on killing it, pfft." [proceeds to use true silver to kill it a turn later anyway, after the warrior got some small benefit out of it]
Oh Trump, never change.
This Deck is good against all top tier decks, however it is dependent on the starting pull from my experience. Plus I subbed Nerz for Rag.... Can't afford Rag yet lol!
30:30 enemy missed lethal, run tirion into aldor, spikeridged any of his remaining minions and go face 11 dmg
"probably couldn't afford to buy the quest" yet he has a deck filled with golden card as well as a golden curator
is that deck better than curator proto drake pala?
I think that warrior thought that if he uses the last charge of the weapon he's heropower would return to normal