This was so frustrating to watch. It was an individual immunity challenge and not a reward challenge. Wonder how the jurors now feel awarding Kenzie the win after seeing this?
1: It's called an Individual Immunity Challenge 2: they've told other players that you cant help someone else, like when Albert tried to help Sophie in the Fic during South Pacific
Jeff Probst should be fired for allowing blatant cheating in the final 4 challenge with Liz cuz it's a INDIVIDUAL challenge not a team challege at the final 5 or am I missing something but Jeff should be ashamed of himself for this so hypothetically you could have had someone stand at the bottom and catch the ball and help who you want to win at the final 4 puzzle if so that is lame but I doubt that would have been allowed and neither should Liiz helping Kenize and please tell me I'm wrong if you think that.
People might not like it, but it says in their rulebook that it is allowed: "During individual challenges where castaways are assigned individual stations, physically assisting other castaways on the challenge is up to the castaways." If someone is a good enough player socially, then they can use that to their advantage in challenges.
@@akat3628 "During individual challenges where castaways are assigned individual stations, physically assisting other castaways on the challenge is forbidden." - Survivor rulebook on wiki
@@juliebollman3944Because it needs to be logically sound. If you’re allowed to take someone else’s piece, who’s to say I can’t just steal their piece so they can’t use it? Unless they explicitly mention that u can help someone else (which is still silly), it shouldn’t be allowed
WAY TO TOSS ONE OF THE CONCEPTS OF YOUR SHOW IN THE GOD DAM SH*TTER.... IIC INDIVIDUAL IMMUNITY CHALLENGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT DUO IC NOT TEAM IC!!! Kenzie didnt complete that portion of the challenge someone physically assisted her in her challenge THAT IS CHEATING.. WHAT A GOD DAM DISGRACE... Sophie Albert Precedent just slapped everyone who has every played the game of survivor and your superfans.. I wonder if this cheating was allowed how many of the 18 players that won 4+ IIC would we have and their stories their victories their finalist stories ALLLL UP IN SMOKE bc cheating is allowed smh load of bullsh*t
That was a BS move! Survivors head leadership need to put in a rule that you can not help another contestant win a immunity challenge! I turn off the show right after that happen!
Smart move by Liz, Liz can't do anything herself, all she needed was Maria and Charlie to falter to make the vote between Charlie and Maria. Not sure if might have really been strategic, but smart of Liz not to go on reward to prevent Siga from being alone and possibly forming up again.
Even without Liz's help, I think Kenzie was still likely to win this challenge. If Liz hadn't gone to retrieve Kenzie's plank, Kenzie certainly would have done it herself. I think the real defining factor was the head start Kenzie had in finishing her puzzle; she already had the correct number of geckos, the correct number of puzzle pieces & the correct sequence (the only number that had to be changed was the number of holes in the plank). Liz's assistance did allow Kenzie the time to double-check her math on the geckos & puzzle pieces, but her initial count was accurate. If you look closely, Maria had managed to solve the number of puzzle pieces, but that figure (33) was out of sequence. I know that it doesn't seem fair or right to some, but Liz would have been able to share that information with Kenzie one way or another (whether she had to stay in her own lane for example or count the number of holes in her own plank). Also, unlike in previous seasons based on prior challenges, the combination prop didn't have a secrecy flap to protect the answer -- that provided an opening for others to look at her numbers as well. And one could argue that a decision to help somebody else under these circumstances has real game consequences. If it was at a different stage of the game and Maria wasn't in everybody's crosshairs, it's possible that it affects relationships going forward.
@@heartichoke6025 If you watch again, you'll notice that initially she doesn't know what the plank is and then she realizes and says to Liz "back there?" or something to that effect and then Liz goes after it on her own which surprised her. She's talked about it in recent interviews, but it's mostly been overshadowed by discussion around the Maria vote.
So screaming from the top of your lungs at another person without provocation is rewarded and justified as a release, cheating to win is called strategy. I've been watching Survivor for a long time and until this season I've never been as discussed by the showrunners. I don't blame Liz, she is who she is but the showrunners lost a lot of respect from their fans including this one. What's the point of watching? Is this supposed to be entertainment?
@@sunflower9797 Exactly. Everyone else had to wash their faces to see afterwards, the glasses didn’t go through the mud with her. It’s an advantage she had.
@@chemicalreaction7788 Lol and? That's not cheating. It's called being smart. And she would have still had mud on her face and eyes the same as everyone else regardless of whether the glasses were clean.
@chemicalreaction7788 what are you talking about? Everyone went through the mud without glasses on. They were all on the same playing field. Putting clean glasses over your muddy face doesn’t make you be able to see 😂 everyone had mud in their face
Not at all right, NO HELPING EACH OTHER, SO NO ONE HAS MARIA'S BACK TO HELP, THAT IS BACK STABBING AND LAZINESS WHY NOT PLAYED TO WIN THAT IMMUNITY FOR SELF RATHER HELPING ANOTHER TO NOT GET ELIMINATED FOR THE REST OF THE CHALLENGES. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE MARIA HAS MANY TARGETS ON HER BACK TO GET HER OUT THE GAME. HOW LAZY HAS THIS GAME SHOW GOTTEN, EARNED YOUR KEEPS.
MariA is our MVP, WINNER AND MOST STRATEGIC PLAYER, FROM BOSTON ROB, and a few others in past seasons Game or no game, where is the ethics, morals, character, conduct communication and conversations that gives credibility to the show, who are you hiring to take short cuts to plot against another person to have another person win, is this discrimination and prejudice against Maria and others, ..... After she solved the puzzled she became loss in the sauce of not knowing any idea what to do next, if liz hadn't came over to read that puzzle, rather telling her (kenzi) or not telling her, liz went to get the plank. Liz could've get a win on her own, but wait and see how kenzi will back stabbed her Are we continuously warding LAZINESS and CHEATING, that which what the foundation of this country seems to be built upon. Still yet, its called a balanced justice system
Off topic but omg! Can we PLEASE stop adding in all of the smacking when people are eating??? 🤢🤮PPLEEEEEAAASSE!! Holy crap it’s soooo freaking annoying and just disgusting! I know yall don’t have to add that shit in so why do it??? I legit have to skip those scene sometimes because it’s so fucking nasty!!! Which sucks because it’s always when people are strategizing or having important conversations…please Survivor!!! Chill with all the noises while people are eating lol I love this show but omg I don’t remember it ever being as bad as it had been the past few seasons. Like…why?? 🤢🤢
Idc what anyone says, this was iconic. Such a memorable finale moment that will be argued about forever lol. If you can copy other peoples answers in challenges, why not be able to team up?!
everyones out here complaining when the first person they see running back through the course grabbing a plank doesnt say something? oh! maybe i need the plank for my puzzle!
I didnt think Survivor would allow that, but it WAS funny and awesome. I still, however, didnt understand how if the combination was the "number of geckos and holes in your plank", how did the beginning of the combination result to "3333"? I may be an idiot, but I just couldnt hack it. 3 wasnt the FIRST set of holes or anything like that.
What is happening to this once best show to ever be! It's becoming disappointing! Same place! Fine.. we can live with that . But what happened to dropping the buffs & switching it up unexpectedly? What happened to the classic food auction or the loved ones visits?... for many reasons it's becoming lame. & i truly loved it so Much for so long! So long! 😢
This was not done as an individual immunity challenge. There was no color in teams. It was individual Maria should have been in that end 3. She was robbed that was wrong. Jeff should have stopped it immediately and made the girl take the board back. No team individual. Maria should have one.
No no no I have been letting a lot of things slide these past few seasons.. but this was a weak move from Liz and completely took away the meaning of this game for me, first time I instantly stopped watching with no feelings to keep watching. Sad.
It was so sweet that Liz helped Kenzie win. Honestly I disagree that helping should be prohibited with all the alliances in this show and trying to take out a bigger threat it makes sense for a good strategy.
Liz helped Kenzie beat Maria, but got mad when Charlie was helping Kenzie build a fire. Her ego is unmatched 😂
Entitled Karen gonna Karen.
This was so frustrating to watch. It was an individual immunity challenge and not a reward challenge.
Wonder how the jurors now feel awarding Kenzie the win after seeing this?
"Individual immunity" that wasn't won by an individual. Not the survivor of the past when you can team up in an INDIVIDUAL IMMUNITY!
TERRIBLE!
1: It's called an Individual Immunity Challenge
2: they've told other players that you cant help someone else, like when Albert tried to help Sophie in the Fic during South Pacific
Jeff Probst should be fired for allowing blatant cheating in the final 4 challenge with Liz cuz it's a INDIVIDUAL challenge not a team challege at the final 5 or am I missing something but Jeff should be ashamed of himself for this so hypothetically you could have had someone stand at the bottom and catch the ball and help who you want to win at the final 4 puzzle if so that is lame but I doubt that would have been allowed and neither should Liiz helping Kenize and please tell me I'm wrong if you think that.
People might not like it, but it says in their rulebook that it is allowed: "During individual challenges where castaways are assigned individual stations, physically assisting other castaways on the challenge is up to the castaways." If someone is a good enough player socially, then they can use that to their advantage in challenges.
@@akat3628 "During individual challenges where castaways are assigned individual stations, physically assisting other castaways on the challenge is forbidden." - Survivor rulebook on wiki
@@akat3628 that rulebook is outdated
the riddle in the puzzle should’ve also included the number of things liz is allergic to
They should prohibit helping others. That's cheating. You should win because you earned it by yourself.
Totally agree👍! What does this teach our children! If you can't win on your own then cheat! That is one of the things wrong with our world!
Why not? Sometimes it has a lot to do with how you played the game. Liz is the last one I would have expected to help
Back in season 22 Sophie was told no when she asked for help to beat Ozzy. One rule only, this will become the normal in future seasons.
@@juliebollman3944Because it needs to be logically sound. If you’re allowed to take someone else’s piece, who’s to say I can’t just steal their piece so they can’t use it? Unless they explicitly mention that u can help someone else (which is still silly), it shouldn’t be allowed
To be fair if they didn’t allow that, Jeff would tell her not to help.
WAY TO TOSS ONE OF THE CONCEPTS OF YOUR SHOW IN THE GOD DAM SH*TTER.... IIC INDIVIDUAL IMMUNITY CHALLENGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT DUO IC NOT TEAM IC!!! Kenzie didnt complete that portion of the challenge someone physically assisted her in her challenge THAT IS CHEATING..
WHAT A GOD DAM DISGRACE... Sophie Albert Precedent just slapped everyone who has every played the game of survivor and your superfans.. I wonder if this cheating was allowed how many of the 18 players that won 4+ IIC would we have and their stories their victories their finalist stories ALLLL UP IN SMOKE bc cheating is allowed smh load of bullsh*t
Time to signed off from this game and to think submission of an application for future seasons will be beneficial and not infringed upon ones morality
"First person to SOLVE THEIR combination and bang their gong..". Liz solved Kenzie's final stage of the puzzle.
Me when being literal makes you look like a dumbass
That was a BS move! Survivors head leadership need to put in a rule that you can not help another contestant win a immunity challenge! I turn off the show right after that happen!
This moment was SO cool can everyone stop complaining about this so we can have more strategic team-up moments during challenges in the future 💀
We don't need anymore of this.
Liz helping Kenzie win?! Didn’t see that coming!
Me neither actually but was happy Maria lost though & wanted her voted out also. And like they say, it takes 2 to beat a comp beast. 🤣
Smart move by Liz, Liz can't do anything herself, all she needed was Maria and Charlie to falter to make the vote between Charlie and Maria. Not sure if might have really been strategic, but smart of Liz not to go on reward to prevent Siga from being alone and possibly forming up again.
@@1SCme That's a good point. 👍
What is this? Team work in the final 5? Is like cheating
It's in their rulebook that it's allowed.
Even without Liz's help, I think Kenzie was still likely to win this challenge. If Liz hadn't gone to retrieve Kenzie's plank, Kenzie certainly would have done it herself. I think the real defining factor was the head start Kenzie had in finishing her puzzle; she already had the correct number of geckos, the correct number of puzzle pieces & the correct sequence (the only number that had to be changed was the number of holes in the plank). Liz's assistance did allow Kenzie the time to double-check her math on the geckos & puzzle pieces, but her initial count was accurate. If you look closely, Maria had managed to solve the number of puzzle pieces, but that figure (33) was out of sequence. I know that it doesn't seem fair or right to some, but Liz would have been able to share that information with Kenzie one way or another (whether she had to stay in her own lane for example or count the number of holes in her own plank). Also, unlike in previous seasons based on prior challenges, the combination prop didn't have a secrecy flap to protect the answer -- that provided an opening for others to look at her numbers as well. And one could argue that a decision to help somebody else under these circumstances has real game consequences. If it was at a different stage of the game and Maria wasn't in everybody's crosshairs, it's possible that it affects relationships going forward.
@@heartichoke6025 If you watch again, you'll notice that initially she doesn't know what the plank is and then she realizes and says to Liz "back there?" or something to that effect and then Liz goes after it on her own which surprised her. She's talked about it in recent interviews, but it's mostly been overshadowed by discussion around the Maria vote.
So screaming from the top of your lungs at another person without provocation is rewarded and justified as a release, cheating to win is called strategy. I've been watching Survivor for a long time and until this season I've never been as discussed by the showrunners. I don't blame Liz, she is who she is but the showrunners lost a lot of respect from their fans including this one. What's the point of watching? Is this supposed to be entertainment?
Stop watching if you aren’t entertained. I loved this moment
Cheat to win, in front of all of our faces. As soon as I saw Liz pop out of the mud with clean glasses I knew something was off. This game sucks now.
Liz didn't go through the mud with her glasses on. She put them on as soon as she came out.
@@sunflower9797 Exactly. Everyone else had to wash their faces to see afterwards, the glasses didn’t go through the mud with her. It’s an advantage she had.
@@chemicalreaction7788 Lol and? That's not cheating. It's called being smart. And she would have still had mud on her face and eyes the same as everyone else regardless of whether the glasses were clean.
@chemicalreaction7788 what are you talking about? Everyone went through the mud without glasses on. They were all on the same playing field. Putting clean glasses over your muddy face doesn’t make you be able to see 😂 everyone had mud in their face
Kenzie was almost voted out first boot!
Really? I thought it was between Jelinsky and Jess
That was stupid of Liz she can't even enjoy the reward.But on the flip side she's playing the game.
Not at all right, NO HELPING EACH OTHER, SO NO ONE HAS MARIA'S BACK TO HELP, THAT IS BACK STABBING AND LAZINESS
WHY NOT PLAYED TO WIN THAT IMMUNITY FOR SELF RATHER HELPING ANOTHER TO NOT GET ELIMINATED FOR THE REST OF THE CHALLENGES.
NOW IT LOOKS LIKE MARIA HAS MANY TARGETS ON HER BACK TO GET HER OUT THE GAME. HOW LAZY HAS THIS GAME SHOW GOTTEN, EARNED YOUR KEEPS.
MariA is our MVP, WINNER AND MOST STRATEGIC PLAYER, FROM BOSTON ROB, and a few others in past seasons
Game or no game, where is the ethics, morals, character, conduct communication and conversations that gives credibility to the show, who are you hiring to take short cuts to plot against another person to have another person win, is this discrimination and prejudice against Maria and others, .....
After she solved the puzzled she became loss in the sauce of not knowing any idea what to do next, if liz hadn't came over to read that puzzle, rather telling her (kenzi) or not telling her, liz went to get the plank. Liz could've get a win on her own, but wait and see how kenzi will back stabbed her
Are we continuously warding LAZINESS and CHEATING, that which what the foundation of this country seems to be built upon. Still yet, its called a balanced justice system
I always wondered if they tell the cast off camera they aren't allowed to pick the lock - pull on the handle, spin the dials until each one locks in.
Off topic but omg! Can we PLEASE stop adding in all of the smacking when people are eating??? 🤢🤮PPLEEEEEAAASSE!! Holy crap it’s soooo freaking annoying and just disgusting! I know yall don’t have to add that shit in so why do it??? I legit have to skip those scene sometimes because it’s so fucking nasty!!! Which sucks because it’s always when people are strategizing or having important conversations…please Survivor!!! Chill with all the noises while people are eating lol I love this show but omg I don’t remember it ever being as bad as it had been the past few seasons. Like…why?? 🤢🤢
Idc what anyone says, this was iconic. Such a memorable finale moment that will be argued about forever lol. If you can copy other peoples answers in challenges, why not be able to team up?!
everyones out here complaining when the first person they see running back through the course grabbing a plank doesnt say something? oh! maybe i need the plank for my puzzle!
wtf was that?!? Maria got robbed!!! Jeff should've shut that down
I didnt think Survivor would allow that, but it WAS funny and awesome. I still, however, didnt understand how if the combination was the "number of geckos and holes in your plank", how did the beginning of the combination result to "3333"? I may be an idiot, but I just couldnt hack it. 3 wasnt the FIRST set of holes or anything like that.
this was fucked up but funny asf
I'm so sad at where this game is going. Which is downhill fast
If someone else threw her plank in the ocean is that allowed all of a sudden as well?
Why the fuck would they allow that?!
What is happening to this once best show to ever be! It's becoming disappointing! Same place! Fine.. we can live with that . But what happened to dropping the buffs & switching it up unexpectedly? What happened to the classic food auction or the loved ones visits?... for many reasons it's becoming lame. & i truly loved it so Much for so long! So long! 😢
Liz became very heroic and I love it.
This was not done as an individual immunity challenge. There was no color in teams. It was individual Maria should have been in that end 3. She was robbed that was wrong. Jeff should have stopped it immediately and made the girl take the board back. No team individual. Maria should have one.
Incredible
No no no I have been letting a lot of things slide these past few seasons.. but this was a weak move from Liz and completely took away the meaning of this game for me, first time I instantly stopped watching with no feelings to keep watching. Sad.
This was one of my favorite moments of the season
It was so sweet that Liz helped Kenzie win. Honestly I disagree that helping should be prohibited with all the alliances in this show and trying to take out a bigger
threat it makes sense for a good strategy.
#SmartPlayInHelpingKenzieBeatMariaStrategicMove🤓🥰
What an exciting challenge!!!