How To Build MASTERING Grade DIY SPEAKERS for DOLBY ATMOS - with PresentDayProduction
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
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So you know Dolby Atmos, right?
It’s been quite the hype lately. And justifyingly so.
Some things tell me it’s here to stay.
But it’s a new technology!
For us sound engineers, there’s still quite a barrier to entry.
Price is a major problem.
A Dolby Atmos system with even just decent speakers can easily cost $10k.
Make that high-end and we’re talking $200.000 and up!
That’s just crazy.
And crazy problems sometimes need crazy solutions.
So Mark and James from PresentDayProduction set out to, get this, design their own DIY Dolby Atmos optimized mastering grade studio monitor to rival and even surpass the likes of ATC and friends.
What…?
Jaw drop.
And from first accounts, it seems, they achieved it.
So I HAD to get them on to hear first hand how two lads from just north of London managed to build a speaker on a budget that rivals the best of the best.
Timecodes:
00:00 - Building a DIY mastering grade Dolby Atmos speaker
02:49 - What makes Dolby Atmos great
17:14 - The main problems with Dolby Atmos for sound engineers
24:10 - The ideal basic Dolby Atmos interface
28:43 - Dolby Atmos in the home studio
31:00 - The ideal Dolby Atmos system with high end mastering speakers
34:31 - Signs the music industry is adopting of Dolby Atmos
35:45 - Did you ever build a speaker before?
37:20 - How do you build a DIY mastering grade speaker?
1:03:03 - Using Trinnov to design cross-over filters
1:14:25 - Design consideration for a Dolby Atmos speaker
1:23:30 - What’s planned for the future?
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Thank you so much for having us on your channel, Jesco! It’s always a pleasure to talk to you, and we had great fun! ❤
Gents, you are all an inspiration....i'm digging out my old speaker design books now 🙂. Keep up the Great work and Content.
Hey guys, what a great chat! I am an enthusiast of Marks’s and James’ mad speaker project , and on top of that : Jesco! what a great job you did a in asking a lot of the questions I still had even after their 3 hour long live stream last Sunday (which was great too btw) . You guys should do even more stuff together - 2 channels with great content , fun people and sharp minds. Well done! 👏👏👏
Funny a few days before, i watched the serie from these great guys and now two of my favourite channels made a video together. Thanks guys. And whats Jesco says, gets it on point: funny and educational
It still and will ever stays the same: this is how engineering takes place.
And again, the English are the ones. Greetings from Germany!
When I have the funds, I would either by the OWL kit or the MUM in a heart beat! The passion and thought that went into creating these Aline’s with me to the hilt. Great work guys👍👍
This just popped up after their build series. It’s a really cool concept that you’ve put so much out. ❤️this❣️
A Merging Anubis + a Sonifex AVN-AO16 will get you going with everything you need to mix atmos, including DSP for time alignment and EQ for all outputs. The Ravenna Driver can be set up for streaming Atmos from Apple music and TV internally on OSX.That is not even close to 5k :)
Where is the interview with Stanis Malikiv from Bliesma?
Awesome stuff 🙂
Such a great video!!!
Mark and James are awesome! 💙
Awesome interview! Apogee's Dolby Atmos is the most robust and easy way to run all this through Apple OS. Music, Movies, and DAWs play with ease once all the speakers are connected.
Acoustics Insider, this one is for you I have a 6.2.4 speaker setup, with one speaker at the back of my room, will this give me the same performance as 7.2.4?
re: atmos vs stereo, I don’t know what Jean Michel Jarre does with stereo, but much of his music absolutely flys around my two-channel listening room-really 3d.
re: speaker, I hope to build this for home listening, if possible.
Great talk
I am a stereo listener. To me the dynamic compression issue is more important than the surround aspect (since I'm unlikely to add more speakers, I'll only hear the stereo or binaural mix down). You comment at 16:00 is very encouraging!
Question: Dynamic compression can make mixing easier because stuff doesn't 'jump out'. However, do you think Atmos will encourage engineers to maximise dynamic range, or will many still be lazy and stick a mastering compressor on it to smooth it all together??
Great Video 90 min of amazing chat :-) makes me want to try build my own monitor :-)
JBL Intonato 24 seems to be the closest box as of now that does what’s needed, but it’s $3-4k plus 900 for the remote, which is needed for volume. It does calibrate your speakers though, which is a lot of value. It has BLU link in, which I believe they make boxes that convert Dante to that, so you could output Apple Music to DVS…maybe. Still need at least 12 channels of DAC though. MOTU 24ao would be an affordable choice.
Great interview! Still watching but I am at around the 25 min mark and wanted to mention that MOTU 24Ao has 24 balanced analog outs for $1000 and does AVB…
Have to take into any difficulties when a mix or master translates to the other formats, like the headphones and sound bars, or single speakers?
Are there things to keep in mind you find when maiming choices in the mix
i would love to know how the Mum 6 sounds to the Focal St-6
I know it’s not quite “the dolby requirements…7.1.4” but if it’s helps anyone just get started, I’ve had decent results with 5.1.4 (10channels) on UA Apollo X8 and a Mac Mini M1. (No side channels)
Had to reconfigure some channels in the Audio MIDI Setup program
Apple TV runs directly on the Mac and can clearly see atmos being output on the meter readout and volume control with no issues. Whilst it doesn’t suggest dolby atmos is a think on UA spec…. It’s working ok for me. Hope this is helpful for anyone else starting out.
Antelope Galaxy Synergy core can now do Dolby Atmos and there is also the Focusrite Red 16 Line and there dante controller the rednet 1
How many households do we expect to eventually have 7+ speakers in a dome-type arrangement with a sweet spot…… specifically for music? I just don’t see it. The average consumer doesn’t have surround sound in their living room, but they’re going to invest in an Atmos system now?
The DIY speakers sound like an incredible project.
They start talking speakers around the 35:00 mark.
1:37:47 "Trinnov can fix reverberation". This is 5 months old video - and what have we rolling out at the market? Active Noise Canceling at room level. Dirac seems to be first out with "Active Room Treatment". Remember having this on an old Lexus, Analyzed the unwanted noise and played it back phase inverted - unpleang
Do they say anywhere what bass driver they ended up using? Maybe I missed it.....
Using Mark’s logic, for wearing an ‘inappropriate’ t-shirt... to promote Present Day Production’s move into Atmos mixing, he should, perhaps, be wearing a Phil Spector ‘Back To Mono’ one... or was it in the wash, having been over-worn already?
Siiick
Where is the Part List?
wow
🤯
Jokes needed at 23:18
So who is the target audience for dolby atmos for music? I am guessing only 4% to 10% of the worlds population could afford a true atmos setup. With the rest settling for a simulated binaural version via headphones or sound bar/TV. Add to that the millions listening on mono bluetooth speakers and the fact that a lot of people just don't give a fuck about sound quality.
Actually, you don't "need" a $5000 monitor controller, unless you're hell-bent on using junk as ProTools or Logic! Cubase Pro's MixConsole has a visual one knob (that can be remotely controlled) volume control for all channels. All you need is 12 analog output. This can be "built" with a cheap 8-channel interface ( such as a Behringer UMC-1820 and a ADAT expander. This can be had for about $200.
I'm considering a being a MOTU 16a to expand my MOTU 828es. That's about $4500 (MOTU 828es, MOTU 16a & Cubase Pro). OK, that's a lot of money, but it's a far cry from the $10 000 for your interface/controller combo.
ISorry, but I don't get why you need to work with $1000 speakers when your average customer will be listening through buds/headphones or a $1000 Klipsch/Sony 5.1 system from Costco? I can see it if you're doing stuff for real movie theaters.
I guess the short answer would be because the MUM’s are not for listening but for referencing. As an example; I believe it’s widely agreed that the Yamaha NS10’s are very harsh and tiring on your ears for listening to music but because they unapologetically reveal all the problems in the mix they’re perfect for referencing. Having said that I don’t know of any reputable audio engineers not recommending running your stereo mix through a series of “regular” speakers in order to make sure you’re not loosing vital information.
Sorry, I disagree. I've been to Dolby's showroom in New York and was underwhelmed. 23 speakers? I would spend the same money on 2 speakers, and be happy!
I have a 5 way system but I only use it in stereo Atmos is just rubbish
Boy, I hope you didn't ask these guys about objective measurements..... the boomer tends to get very emotional when that subject is brought up.
Who cares about objective measurements if it sounds, subjectively, the way they want it to for their purposes?
Any idea on what’s needed to provide accurate and useful measurements for speakers? It doesn’t make sense for them to do that…
Objective measurements are very difficult and expensive. You're complaining that they didn't rent an anechoic chamber? Also, decades of experiments by engineers at Neumann have strongly suggested that flat responses in rooms are absolutely NOT optimal. That means that the only thing that matters is if it sounds good to you in your room. The exact opposite of objective! (As usual in music).
I bet you guys all own $4000 power cables, too, LOL. Audio zealots are the worst than wine zealots..... oBjEcTiVe TeStS cAnT cApTuRe ThE mAgIc....
@@davidkulmaczewski4911 it's not that, it's just that the more you do music, the more you realise that the only thing that matters is the way that music makes you feel. Measuring speakers can help a lot to help you progress in your room but it's a bit pointless when we start comparing things that can't be compared (without an anechoic chamber). It's like a piano tuner. You can do it with a digital tuner youself but centuries of experience has taught us all that piano tuning is actually an art too and is pretty subjective. Building studios is an art too. Very subjective too. I accept that engineering can be an audio zealot environment but often it's just people trying to get emotion in to the records. Good speakers are essential for that but it's debatable what a good speaker actually is!
Atmos sucks. Im getting sick of dolby. They have so much money and power that they dont even have to defend their trash. They just have to force it on you!
Atmos will fail.