He was so focused on his image, and this is the image that he left. Everyone in the computing world loves Wozniak. Because he is a genius and a technical visionary.
@@TechmoChamp you wouldn't be typing this comment without the willingness of those "evil" and "greedy" people to take risks and actually create business that could afford to produce and distribute the products that the computing tech-geniuses created. Stop with this hollier-than-thou attitude; sure, tech guys are decent and brilliant and gifted... but they need the "evil" and "greedy" cunning businessmen so that their creations can see the day. There's no counterargument to what I am saying because it's the reality - that's how the world works. You're unwillingness to accept this fact just proves you're weak and not made for this world.
But people like Jobs and Musk are the ones remembered, enshrined and cherished by the masses, such a shame and what a indicating statement on the state of human perception
@@govardhanposina17because they get stuff done. Especially Elon. You all were praising his name, but all of a sudden that switched. He has done more for the human race than anyone has in a long time. He has singlehandedly delayed the downfall of the u.s. and he has great plans. Does that mean he's perfect? Absolutely not, he has some weird beliefs and plans that seem a little to out there. And absolutely no one should be worshipped. But the hate is ridiculous.
Agreed. But John was still lead and Paul Co lead. There is even footage of Paul admitting that to John. Paul stepped up as Leader once John started his heavy drug use.
Seth Rogen fucking COOKED in this role. It was great to see him do something like this. Perfectly cast. Fassbender knew the entire script by heart. Just a super underrated flick.
wont say underrated, this was very well reviewed by both imdb (7.2) and rotten tomato (85%), it was more overlooked upon release but it is gaining a very well deserved cult following nowadays as one of the finer biopics of the 2010's.
“Acknowledge that something good happened that you weren’t in the room for.” That line has been tattooed on my brain since I first heard it in the theater.
Woz (who loved this movie) said he would've never confront Jobs like this, but his hands in his pocket and adjusting his glasses is a great representation of that nervousness he'd have.
In answer to a question from a member of the public: 'Does Steve Jobs know how to code? ', Woz responded: 'Steve didn't ever code. He wasn't an engineer and he didn't do any original design. ' He was, however: 'technical enough to alter, change, and add to other designs.
@@monotech20.14 He's just like jobs he sourround himself with geniuses and direct them into making a good product through his vision thats what a director does
Remember, the few successful tech billionaires didn’t get there by being smarter than all their contemporaries. They got there by being better capitalist. Open source could have been a glorious thing, and now we have to pay Job’s carcass to use a special screwdriver.
I once spent hours trying to move a simple video from an iPhone to a PC. Same video on an Android, I shoved a USB cord in the phone, and, boom, there was the video. The biggest thing I hate about Apple is the fact that its products don't play well with non-Apple products.
@@jameskeyes9112 this is such an interesting thing. I distinctly remember transferring some photos from my old android to a laptop in the exact same way. Then a friend told me about how apple limits the connectivity of their phones in way that you can't do that. This was years ago & I don't know if they've changed it since then. But that was crazy to me. I'll never buy an apple product.
@domzzcardzz7985 A. Producers get way to much credit for what they actually do. B. The last season of boys was way below the caliber of the early show. C. More than anything I just view Seth as a bit of a pretentious slob who throws his friends under the bus at the first sign of trouble.
While this never happened, it does illustrate Jobs defining strength and weakness; one that led to his death. His Ego created a product cult, one that lasts long after his death. However that Ego also led to him pursuing a ridiculous homeopathic treatment for cancer, including consulting a psychic, that invariably led to his death. His Ego made him a force in a consumer market. Unfortunately, he refused to accept that there were people that knew better.
Some forms of cancer the treatments are just buying you a few years more while going thru painful chemotherapy and radiation treatments. I'm sure that Jobs' last few years were more enjoyable if he went thru chemo and radiation even if it meant buying him a few more years.
Clearly his belief in quackery killed him, or at least sooner than his cancer otherwise would have. But was that about his ego? Maybe so - after all it involves believing you know more about medicine that actual doctors and other qualified experts, that you are part of an elite that can supposedly "do your own research" and "think for yourself" rather than being one of the "sheeple".
It's honestly hilarious how his ego was huge enough to refuse to credit a few individual programmers, yet somehow not fragile enough to lose his temper while being absolutely grilled about it.
The interesting thing is, I thought Ashton Kutcher really captured the physicality of Jobs but I much prefer Michael Fassbender overall performance. And in defence of Kutcher, the cast for the 2015 film was brilliant. Even Seth Rogan smashed it.
True. One forgets for a while that this isn't the real Jobs. Kutcher played it well, especially the younger version. Fassbinder did the older version better.
The framing device for this film is just too perfect. It made the Ashton version feel bloated and kind of boring. And Fassbender just... absolutely... fucking... *nailed it* with this performance. That's the only way I can describe it.
@@CERTAIND00M It also shows that just being a good body double of someone isn't necessarily enough to portray a real life person. Also I think that Noah Wyle in Pirates of Silicon Valley did a great job as Jobs. But since that movie came out in 1999 obviously didn't tell Jobs' whole story.
@@bernirn He's a stoner, that's it. That;s why he wont be given a bigger role/nomination. He does his own thing, lives outside the box of normal crack addicted actors and doesn't like being thrown into the garbage line of people who commit horrible acts against children and never face a trail for it.
@@sloht4061 dude, there are a lot of guys who are stoners and get oscar nominations: Matthew Mcconaughey, Woody Harrelson, Jonah Hill, etc . There's a reason why he doesnt hangs out with the "Apatow" crew anymore: he had no hesitation on throwing James Franco under the bus at the very second his scandal went public, regardless if he was innocent or not.
This was such a great scene. Jobs comes out with the Imac and acts like everything was great when he was at Apple in the beginning, and that he had two massive solo failures. If not for the Apple II, the Imac never happens. Also great ti see Seth Rogen's dramatic chops.
@@MollymaukT Who's the analog in the Apple story? I'm making a point about Apple. Incidentally, I don't think it's true. Yeah, John and Paul had more respect for each other and had a magical bond. They treated George like a kid brother. But George still had songs on the albums, and he didn't write a truly great one until While My Guitar Gently Weeps, when the Beatles were a year from breaking up. His other two great songs with the Beatles -- Something and Here Comes the Sun -- were on the final album the band recorded. So there wasn't really time to make him an equal member. That said, there was a band meeting after Abbey Road in which John raised the idea of having another album in which he, Paul, and George would each get four songs. He'd earned it. But of course there was no next album. The one song usually invoked to prove that John and Paul suppressed George is All Things Must Pass because it didn't appear on Let It Be. But the footage shows the Beatles rehearse it a ton of times. George wasn't satisfied with it, so Paul suggested that George perform it solo in the rooftop concert as a feature. But George demurred and that was that. Pop Goes the 60s has a great vid on that.
brilliant script, as same as moneyball, just brilliant. the conflict, tension and funny lines keeps during the whole movie. probably one of the best scripts in the last decade
Should have included the next few lines: Joanna: “He didn’t mean that.” Steve: “Yes, he did.” Joanna: “He’s a temperamental guy.” Steve: “No he’s not.”
not really, understanding the woz/jobs split in Apple is fundamental in understanding the divergent philosophical thoughts between the two mean on products. job's isn't wrong on that not monetizing a product and doing some IP and product protection and control to cultivate end user experience, while allowing the hobbyist to tinker and iterate on the baseline product. the digital jazz that woz and jobs built in the Apple II that was their differing philosophies made it the perfect balance. not easily replicated.
@@jedismasher no he was a narcissistic sociopath that did not care about people who worked under him. Granted he was a very successful sociopath but the best point made in this scene stills rings true that you do not have to be an awful human being to reach high levels of success.
@@zipkip4996but the monster it often turns you into is no alternative to compassion and understanding. Being cruel and apathetic because it makes the big bucks is not strength it's weakness.
Once, I had a short phone conversation with Guy Takeo Kawasaki - He was one of the Apple employees originally responsible for marketing their Macintosh computer line in 1984. He popularized the word evangelist in marketing the Macintosh as an "Apple evangelist" and the concepts of evangelism marketing and technology evangelism/platform evangelism in general. My phone conversation with him was only about 8 minutes long. He said Steve Job was absolutely unbearable in the workplace. He was arrogant, insulting and downright exploitive. He would use your own failures against you and make you feel bad if you didn't work 80 hours in one week. But, the end result of the horror changed the world.
@@carlrosa1130 Pretty sure this person wasn't alive to vote for Ronald Regan in the 1980s, so your comment and the conversation you had, although breathtaking in source information from the inside was informative. People like momo don't see past the days or weeks they lived, the word aptly used in this context is object pertinence.
@@carlrosa1130Guy is a fraudster and has always been a grifter living off a false narrative he’s created that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and history, one he’s purely invented. Tl;dr he has always been full of shit, he had no major contributions at Apple, ever. Sorry you had to deal with him.
I won't argue directly that the Apple II or the Mac didn't change the world. The Apple II was a best-selling business machine that made computing more personal and portable. I don't really think it "changed the world" too much - the software on it, primarily VisiCalc (which was not made by Apple) probably did far more to do that than the Apple II itself - but there's no question that the Apple II made a big impact in the world of personal computing, and had a big hand in opening the door to the subsequent reality of "computers for everyone". The Mac was a big breakthrough as an idea, if not as a practical reality. Its Super Bowl ad, and the idea of the future of computing as imparted through that ad campaign, may have had more of an impact than the machine itself, which was cumbersome to use for most popular professional and personal applications, as it was neither a business machine nor a gaming machine. Ultimately, I would not say it particularly changed the world any more than most other popular computing products of the day, of which there were a variety. So I guess, in my estimation Apple definitely made a big impact in the computing industry in its early days, but the things it actually produced didn't really change the world even as much as Xerox or IBM did, or Bell Labs or Intel or Zilog (maker of the foundational Z80 chip that truly _did_ change the world) or any number of other seminal tech companies, really. VisiCalc changed the world. And the Mac ad campaign changed the world a bit. Apple's products are inextricably linked with those things, of course, but I think it's more accurate to see them as more sort of along for the ride. They were decent tools that ran world-changing software and inspired new ways of thinking about computers.
Jobs chose to wait 9 months for an operation that many doctors believe would have saved his life. Instead he chose to drink smoothie to cure is cancer. The sad part is that he knew in the end that he waisted those 9 months on new age bullshit.
@@zombieshart1001 I don't know about the toilets thing, but he absolutely was a nutcase about diet and health issues, and went through periodic "fruitarian" phases
his 50/50 character was good. Granted he did kind of come off as a douche but you later find out how much he cares, he was doing his best to deal with something he didn't know how to deal with.
I think being adopted really poisoned his ego. He never got over that. He even found his real father, but never had the guts to speak to him face to face. His behavior in business was driven by his need to show that he was the best, and indispensable.
this conversation is supposed to be taking place before the announcement for the launch of the Cube, arguably Apples greatest flop of all time that Jobs loved for the dumbest reasons
Fun fact for those who didn't grow up with apple. Steve Jobs was a the best snake oil salesman in the world. Could make almost anyone buy his product. But as all snake oil salesman he couldn't make anything himself and had no moral code other than money. This allowed him to save the company twice and create a loyal fan base that doesn't even know why they buy an apple product other than it is apple.
One of our heroes was a very flawed man. Over the years I've come to realize that Steve Wozniak was just as exiting and as instrumental in the development of personal computers as Jobs. Jobs OWED everything to Woz.
Woz was the "engineer" behind it all. Apple wouldn't have existed if certain management level people at HP hadn't blown off Woz when he demonstrated the prototype of the Apple I computer. Woz was working there at HP on an internship (or similar) and came up with the initial design/OS. After that he took it to the Homebrew Computer Club meeting where he and Jobs presented it. Rest is history. I know this because I worked for (after he left HP and years later, 1999) one of the HP Sr. managers who saw it. He said it was the biggest mistake he and a couple of other people made in their careers for not recognizing the potential. He told me and other people that HP replied "We're an instruments company, and not a computer company." Big Whoops! This movie is interesting from the standpoint of showing how egotistical Jobs was. He had vision, but that along with his ego alienated a lot of people who helped him get where he was in the end.
I remember learning on the Macintosh when I was in school, in the 2000s. I always asked why aren't we using PCs. Something that can be upgraded easier to use and not a pain in the ass like an Apple.
Hang on. I have worked on PCS for 30 years, home pcs, and apple for all that overpricing, does have cleaner neater design in most of the home pcs they sell.
because schools change out computers so infrequently that by the time they do get new computers you’d have to change out every part in the old ones besides maybe the case which is the same as getting a new computer
@@Coliflower185 Not really true anymore. Almost everything is on the motherboard - sound, nic, gpu. New cpus wont work on older mothers anyway. If you have a gaming machine and absolutely insist on having the latest GPU, then you can swap it out for a few years before the rest of the system becomes a bottleneck. Doesn't really matter anymore either - around 20 years ago the hardware overtook the software to the extent that (gaming, cad etc aside) you can run all the latest software just fine for several years.
Steve’s downfall was his pride. He had a very curable cancer but decided not to listen to his doctors. He thought he was smarter than the doctors and could go the natural route. By the time he got the surgery it was too late. I’m also pretty sure he didn’t donate any money to Pancreatic Cancer research. A genius in his own right but couldn’t put aside his ego
He was also just ignorant and didn't listen to other people because he always thought he was right. He had ample time to get treatment that would cure his cancer but he's like 'nah I'm gonna do the eat only fruit diet because that might work' and then when it didn't it was too late to cure it with modern treatment lmao
I heard a film critic say once, as much as he liked Aaron's Sorkin writing people simply don't talk like that, with that razor sharp quick wittiness, exchanging zingers that you couldn't come up with if you could press pause whenever you needed to...that stayed in my head like a kinda clever song whenever I hear Aaron Sorkins words off the screen, I mean even super brillliant people are not that quick witted in real life.
You know I’ve always found that critique fascinating because for me I don’t really want to hear how real people talk in a movie. Most people I hear in real life are dull as fuck, and even when watching something based on real people I still want to escape. So I prefer how people talk in Sorkin scripts, Tarantino scripts, etc.
"I had 3 different accountants try to explain it to me, the whole place has to be streamlined." "Start with 2 of the accountants." absolutely love Sorkin's dialogue, even the smallest stuff is witty as hell
Don’t be mistaken, Steve was absolutely a crucial part of apple. Yeah he was an ass, no doubt about that, but he was the head of the organization and the reason it succeeded. CEOs don’t make the product, yet they are the most important people as they make the decisions for the product.
@@clockwork5796 After Jobs died all Apple products have basically been stagnant in terms of innovation. Steve would not like how mediocre the company is now.
What exactly was Steve Job’s job? Did he actually help with innovating and designing the tech? Or was he just the mouthpiece and in charge of promoting the products??
He was a visionary leader. He had only mediocre technical skill, he wasn’t really an engineer or a coder per se, though he could tinker a little bit. His real skill was in a vision for creating intuitive computers that were easy to use. Ever think about how an iPhone or iPad don’t come with a manual, but virtually everyone knows how to use it? That’s Jobs. Some could say he exploited others’ talents to achieve his vision & take the credit. That’s partially true. But it’s also true that none of those dozens/hundreds of people who helped Jobs create his products, would have created anything near as good if Jobs wasn’t there.
He was the ultimate product person. Without his intuitive vision for the products apple should make, Apple stumbled and almost died. He is also incredible at hiring, marketing, and sales. He just wasn't an amazing engineer.
It's also worth pointing out the downsides of his philosophy. I've heard it called a walled garden philosophy. Apple products are like walking paths in a professionally maintained garden. Everything is beautiful and you can get anywhere the paths go easily but you can only go where they let you. His hackers and hobbyists comment speaks to that. In college I joked that Apple made computers for Sorority Girls. They could do the minimal tasks they wanted to without ever having to learn anything about a computer which always seemed very limiting in the long term. And his philosophy won out. It's why people can't understand why computers and programs aren't magic and can't do whatever you want instantly. It's why you can't easily replace the battery in your smart phone like you used to. Sleekness and ease take precedence over function. I always hated him and Apple because that's the exact opposite of my philosophy. I wanted people to understand the basics of the technology so they could better use it and we could advance the tech.
@@brianleap5830 Yeah it's a mixed bag with a lot of tradeoffs. Though I will say - the average person doesn't really care about that and would rather have a cohesive and functional experience
I've never seen this movie, and I didn't know anything about Fassbender before looking him up after this video, but holy cow- that German accent is just ripping through the entire scene lol. Interestingly, Jobs' has German ancestry (but not the accent).
@@thebyrdcage8619 Probably this one, but Steve Wozniak also said that the characters didn't act like they do in real life, and most of the events were totally changed (but still says it's a great "artistic portrayal" and has praised the film). So I doubt either movie offers a good portrayal of Jobs either way. It's just a movie.
" Acknowledge them! " " Theyr'e going to live in the biggest houses of the unemployment line " Yeah, but that's... not the point. The point is to recognise people who worked hard on something.
But THAT's not the point. Jobs was an asshole, but Woz was wrong to push for a distraction in the speech. The presentation was not about the Apple II. And mentioning the Apple II would have clanged, introduced a spike of awkward anxious negativity, that resonated well beyond that mention, continuing to overshadow the presentation of the iMac. Everyone knew, especially in that audience, that the Apple II and Macintosh had competed for resources and company focus. It's like mentioning your ex in a speech at your wedding
if I would ever meet Seth Rogen, I would not waste his time. Just tip my hat and say, "Thank you for playing Woz." Man, Rogen is good in this scene. So much nuance and humanity.
I always felt Wozniak was more like McCartney, did everything he could to keep the band together and acknowledged everyone's achievements. Just seems generally more down to earth and an all around good guy. Jobs is in fact John Lennon by virtue because he is filled with ego and wanted to break up the band and also be somehow recognized as the iconic artistic one. He was also a terrible father.
Seth Rogen needs to really return more often for these types of roles because for as much as he's been in some decent comedy movies, his character is overplayed and I'd like to see him in more dramas and serious movies like this
Greed is the death of everything good in our soul, greed is the failure of the human mind. We are meant to guide one another. Not exploit each other. Wozniak could see this where Jobs could not. And now we are all worse off because of it.
I don’t think the goal was to make them realistic, but to make an entertaining movie. Nobody talks like this in real life, yet the dialogue sticks with you.
@@Seitanic_panic Right - Woz said that no way could he have been as articulate as that Sorkin dialogue, and the specific incidents and scenes often didn't happen, but it all was emotionally true and captured the overall dynamic
Yeah I kind of don't get the point of having this scene in it if it never happened. I guess they just wanted something dramatic of a finale to end it on.
Met wozniak at a highschool level robotics competition. Dude was super chill. Jobs is famously a horrible person. I can only hope jobs becomes more reviled as time continues
When two incredibly smart people argue, it’s incredibly entertaining. Jobs is right, the business moves after the Apple 2 were catastrophic. Wozniak is also one of the great geniuses of our time. Both have a great point.
@@thanoskitsos5710Corporatism 101. Screw over the real creator who made the company creative establish a fake creator that keeps the company corporate.
@@petermj1098 Haha no. Wozniak was a great creator of computers, but Jobs created that company. Wozniak’s philosophy’s were so incredibly bad for business, it’s absurd. And even some of his product ideas were more exciting for him then they ever would have been practical for the every man. This is why working together would have been amazing if they could have coexisted.
@@thanoskitsos5710 No, that’s what makes it great. Right or wrong is not as common as people would like to believe. They both have a PoV that is incredibly valid. The ideal would both to find middle ground, but the issue with geniuses…sometimes you dig in to being right and hold onto that.
"You can be decent and gifted at the same time"... Great line.
Unless you're an asshole like Jobs was.
Well, Jobs was neither of those
@@MollymaukT Jobs is to Apple what Roy Croc was to McDonalds.
I dont like referring to Jobs as "gifted" when he stole ideas from people who sacrificed more than him!
How convenient it was a Jew to say the words that was never spoken irl
"Acknowledge that something good happened that you weren't in the room for"
"No"
dude that says it all
Yeah, he was a dick.
Reality distortion field activated.
I actually agree with Jobs. The goal of this launch is to look forward. Apple had spent all of its time without Jobs looking back.
@@traviselrod7803it takes 30 seconds to not be heartless
It takes one second to not be a weak bitch like Wozniak
He was so focused on his image, and this is the image that he left. Everyone in the computing world loves Wozniak. Because he is a genius and a technical visionary.
Woz, Torvalds, and Berners-Lee, the holy trinity of decency in an age and business plagued by absolute unbridaled evil and greed.
@@TechmoChamp you wouldn't be typing this comment without the willingness of those "evil" and "greedy" people to take risks and actually create business that could afford to produce and distribute the products that the computing tech-geniuses created.
Stop with this hollier-than-thou attitude; sure, tech guys are decent and brilliant and gifted... but they need the "evil" and "greedy" cunning businessmen so that their creations can see the day.
There's no counterargument to what I am saying because it's the reality - that's how the world works. You're unwillingness to accept this fact just proves you're weak and not made for this world.
But people like Jobs and Musk are the ones remembered, enshrined and cherished by the masses, such a shame and what a indicating statement on the state of human perception
@@govardhanposina17 Musk is a national treasure, you pathetic weasel
@@govardhanposina17because they get stuff done. Especially Elon.
You all were praising his name, but all of a sudden that switched.
He has done more for the human race than anyone has in a long time. He has singlehandedly delayed the downfall of the u.s. and he has great plans.
Does that mean he's perfect? Absolutely not, he has some weird beliefs and plans that seem a little to out there.
And absolutely no one should be worshipped. But the hate is ridiculous.
"Im tired of being Ringo when I know I was John."
Powerful line.
John is leader over paul
John and Paul made each other. In their better moments, they knew that.
Agreed. But John was still lead and Paul Co lead. There is even footage of Paul admitting that to John. Paul stepped up as Leader once John started his heavy drug use.
john was john because he wrote ticket to ride
you guys are film geeks, not music nerds...John was the band leader, but Paul was the better songwriter...
Seth Rogen fucking COOKED in this role. It was great to see him do something like this. Perfectly cast. Fassbender knew the entire script by heart. Just a super underrated flick.
Acted * nobody was making food
Exactly. Never seen seth in a serious heavy role like this before.
wont say underrated, this was very well reviewed by both imdb (7.2) and rotten tomato (85%), it was more overlooked upon release but it is gaining a very well deserved cult following nowadays as one of the finer biopics of the 2010's.
You kids and your “COOKED” are so cringe.
And if you arent a kid, thats even more cringe.
I don't like Seth Rogen in anything and I love him in this.
“Acknowledge that something good happened that you weren’t in the room for.”
That line has been tattooed on my brain since I first heard it in the theater.
Word
If Jobs never met Woz, his greatest achievement would have been employee of the month at Ridgeway Honda of Dallas.
If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.
Gino @@crepperwlp
He was the director of the Orchesta. He was a great salesman and entrepeneur. He could find anything and make a company around it.
God that was vicious.
If ifs were 5ths we'd all be drunk 🍻🍻
Woz (who loved this movie) said he would've never confront Jobs like this, but his hands in his pocket and adjusting his glasses is a great representation of that nervousness he'd have.
Where did you get this source for this information ❓
Until he hits out with the ‘Steve’s an asshole’ line. That’s the point he got angry enough that he finally felt confident in what he was saying
In answer to a question from a member of the public: 'Does Steve Jobs know how to code? ', Woz responded: 'Steve didn't ever code. He wasn't an engineer and he didn't do any original design. ' He was, however: 'technical enough to alter, change, and add to other designs.
So he basically did nothing other than "won't be this be cool".
@@monotech20.14 Bill Burr does a good bit on Jobs.
Sound like Elon.
@@denislemieux4915 Elon is NOT a genius
@@monotech20.14 He's just like jobs he sourround himself with geniuses and direct them into making a good product through his vision thats what a director does
Remember, the few successful tech billionaires didn’t get there by being smarter than all their contemporaries. They got there by being better capitalist. Open source could have been a glorious thing, and now we have to pay Job’s carcass to use a special screwdriver.
I once spent hours trying to move a simple video from an iPhone to a PC. Same video on an Android, I shoved a USB cord in the phone, and, boom, there was the video. The biggest thing I hate about Apple is the fact that its products don't play well with non-Apple products.
@@jameskeyes9112its products don’t play well with their own products too
How dare you don't bootlick the godmen 😡
@@jameskeyes9112 this is such an interesting thing. I distinctly remember transferring some photos from my old android to a laptop in the exact same way. Then a friend told me about how apple limits the connectivity of their phones in way that you can't do that. This was years ago & I don't know if they've changed it since then. But that was crazy to me. I'll never buy an apple product.
Because "captalists are dumb. But we are smart" says the hive-mind.
Seth should do more dramatic roles. He's got some decent acting chops beyond comedy.
So many comics/comedy guys actually make fantastic dramatic actors. Adam Sandler and will Ferrell eg
Considering he hasn't been funny in a decade, he better not be a 1 trick pony.
great point. completely agree
@@seanmiller5460when has he been in a movie tho lol he has produced funny ass shows tho like the boys for example
@domzzcardzz7985 A. Producers get way to much credit for what they actually do. B. The last season of boys was way below the caliber of the early show. C. More than anything I just view Seth as a bit of a pretentious slob who throws his friends under the bus at the first sign of trouble.
While this never happened, it does illustrate Jobs defining strength and weakness; one that led to his death.
His Ego created a product cult, one that lasts long after his death.
However that Ego also led to him pursuing a ridiculous homeopathic treatment for cancer, including consulting a psychic, that invariably led to his death.
His Ego made him a force in a consumer market. Unfortunately, he refused to accept that there were people that knew better.
Some forms of cancer the treatments are just buying you a few years more while going thru painful chemotherapy and radiation treatments. I'm sure that Jobs' last few years were more enjoyable if he went thru chemo and radiation even if it meant buying him a few more years.
Cry more then
Yeah Jobs for me always came off a douche with some kind of weird savior complex or something
Clearly his belief in quackery killed him, or at least sooner than his cancer otherwise would have. But was that about his ego? Maybe so - after all it involves believing you know more about medicine that actual doctors and other qualified experts, that you are part of an elite that can supposedly "do your own research" and "think for yourself" rather than being one of the "sheeple".
@@epzilon3390 "cry about it" mate, youre the one boiling with rage over somebody not idol worshipping your favourite rich moron simply for existing
It's honestly hilarious how his ego was huge enough to refuse to credit a few individual programmers, yet somehow not fragile enough to lose his temper while being absolutely grilled about it.
The interesting thing is, I thought Ashton Kutcher really captured the physicality of Jobs but I much prefer Michael Fassbender overall performance. And in defence of Kutcher, the cast for the 2015 film was brilliant. Even Seth Rogan smashed it.
True. One forgets for a while that this isn't the real Jobs. Kutcher played it well, especially the younger version. Fassbinder did the older version better.
The framing device for this film is just too perfect. It made the Ashton version feel bloated and kind of boring. And Fassbender just... absolutely... fucking... *nailed it* with this performance. That's the only way I can describe it.
@@CERTAIND00M It also shows that just being a good body double of someone isn't necessarily enough to portray a real life person.
Also I think that Noah Wyle in Pirates of Silicon Valley did a great job as Jobs. But since that movie came out in 1999 obviously didn't tell Jobs' whole story.
Yes ashtons version was good as well
Well, better actor with better script makes sense
This scene alone should have given Seth Rogen an Oscar nomination. Dude can act.
No he cant
@@mikeyKnows_yes he can
Sadly he’s an idiot.
My guess? Dude won’t ever be nominated because he has shady things going on.
@@bernirn He's a stoner, that's it. That;s why he wont be given a bigger role/nomination. He does his own thing, lives outside the box of normal crack addicted actors and doesn't like being thrown into the garbage line of people who commit horrible acts against children and never face a trail for it.
@@sloht4061 dude, there are a lot of guys who are stoners and get oscar nominations: Matthew Mcconaughey, Woody Harrelson, Jonah Hill, etc .
There's a reason why he doesnt hangs out with the "Apatow" crew anymore: he had no hesitation on throwing James Franco under the bus at the very second his scandal went public, regardless if he was innocent or not.
Nice to see Seth filling a role that isn't just another silly stoner dude. He should do that more.
Ok, so Seth Rogen can ACT and apparently I've been asleep
honestly, he is a better actor than he is a comedian
Watch "The Fabelmans"
@@OmegaSaiyan92 Comedian actors tend to translate to drama better than dramatic actors translating to comedy.
@@TomVCunningham watch ("An American Pickle") Seth Rogan does an awesome job in that movie
lmao what? you're making that statement based on this scene? this was some of the most crappy acting I have ever seen from his part
The directorial choice to frame this scene with the shark behind Jobs was absolutely brilliant.
What do you think the shark means
@@WhizPillsteve was a ruthless businessman and sharks are ruthless creatures.
@@WhizPillyou’re really dont see the big picture with The shark ?
This was such a great scene. Jobs comes out with the Imac and acts like everything was great when he was at Apple in the beginning, and that he had two massive solo failures. If not for the Apple II, the Imac never happens. Also great ti see Seth Rogen's dramatic chops.
Seth Rogen is really good in this movie.
Good point.
John was John because he had Paul. And Paul was Paul because he had John.
And George was George but they both ganged up to neuter his creativity because they didnt want competition
@@MollymaukT Who's the analog in the Apple story? I'm making a point about Apple.
Incidentally, I don't think it's true. Yeah, John and Paul had more respect for each other and had a magical bond. They treated George like a kid brother. But George still had songs on the albums, and he didn't write a truly great one until While My Guitar Gently Weeps, when the Beatles were a year from breaking up. His other two great songs with the Beatles -- Something and Here Comes the Sun -- were on the final album the band recorded. So there wasn't really time to make him an equal member. That said, there was a band meeting after Abbey Road in which John raised the idea of having another album in which he, Paul, and George would each get four songs. He'd earned it. But of course there was no next album. The one song usually invoked to prove that John and Paul suppressed George is All Things Must Pass because it didn't appear on Let It Be. But the footage shows the Beatles rehearse it a ton of times. George wasn't satisfied with it, so Paul suggested that George perform it solo in the rooftop concert as a feature. But George demurred and that was that. Pop Goes the 60s has a great vid on that.
And what about Ringo?
@@Johny_Truant go finish the Navidson Record!
@@MollymaukT
_I saw a film today, oh boy..._
"He was John, because he wrote Ticket to Ride...and I wrote the Apple II."
Church.
"I am tired of being Ringo when I know was John"
"Everybody loves Ringo"
😂😂I love Aaron Sorkin
brilliant script, as same as moneyball, just brilliant. the conflict, tension and funny lines keeps during the whole movie. probably one of the best scripts in the last decade
@@jota6694 As well as The Social Network
Nobody wants to be Paul?
Should have included the next few lines:
Joanna: “He didn’t mean that.”
Steve: “Yes, he did.”
Joanna: “He’s a temperamental guy.”
Steve: “No he’s not.”
We idolized the wrong man and that leads us to today.
not really, understanding the woz/jobs split in Apple is fundamental in understanding the divergent philosophical thoughts between the two mean on products. job's isn't wrong on that not monetizing a product and doing some IP and product protection and control to cultivate end user experience, while allowing the hobbyist to tinker and iterate on the baseline product. the digital jazz that woz and jobs built in the Apple II that was their differing philosophies made it the perfect balance. not easily replicated.
@@jedismasher jobs was a sociopath
@@BonsaiBurner naw, perfectionist and demanding about his vision and way of doing things? absolutely.
@@jedismasher no he was a narcissistic sociopath that did not care about people who worked under him. Granted he was a very successful sociopath but the best point made in this scene stills rings true that you do not have to be an awful human being to reach high levels of success.
@@infinitelz2the non-binary was decent and gifted, not decent gifted and rich.
Jobs obviously chose gifted and rich.
“Everybody loves Ringo.”
That line made me chuckle 😆
Woj was the genius. Jobs is a visionary. Some visionaries are real assholes.
name a visionary who isn't an asshole
They have to be. Being nice all the time doesn't get you anywhere in the world other than being overshadowed
I don't consider Capitalist visionary's they put a paywall on everything
How’d that visionary end up. Oh yeah. Dead because he thought mangos could cure cancer. FAFO
@@zipkip4996but the monster it often turns you into is no alternative to compassion and understanding. Being cruel and apathetic because it makes the big bucks is not strength it's weakness.
Once, I had a short phone conversation with Guy Takeo Kawasaki - He was one of the Apple employees originally responsible for marketing their Macintosh computer line in 1984. He popularized the word evangelist in marketing the Macintosh as an "Apple evangelist" and the concepts of evangelism marketing and technology evangelism/platform evangelism in general. My phone conversation with him was only about 8 minutes long. He said Steve Job was absolutely unbearable in the workplace. He was arrogant, insulting and downright exploitive. He would use your own failures against you and make you feel bad if you didn't work 80 hours in one week. But, the end result of the horror changed the world.
Not really. Most of what is in the early Iphones and cell phones in general was created w/ US funded military tech.
@@monotech20.14 You didn't read my post. The origins of Apple had nothing to do with the iphone or cell phone. Zero. You're in a different decade.
@@carlrosa1130 Pretty sure this person wasn't alive to vote for Ronald Regan in the 1980s, so your comment and the conversation you had, although breathtaking in source information from the inside was informative. People like momo don't see past the days or weeks they lived, the word aptly used in this context is object pertinence.
@@carlrosa1130Guy is a fraudster and has always been a grifter living off a false narrative he’s created that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and history, one he’s purely invented. Tl;dr he has always been full of shit, he had no major contributions at Apple, ever. Sorry you had to deal with him.
I won't argue directly that the Apple II or the Mac didn't change the world. The Apple II was a best-selling business machine that made computing more personal and portable. I don't really think it "changed the world" too much - the software on it, primarily VisiCalc (which was not made by Apple) probably did far more to do that than the Apple II itself - but there's no question that the Apple II made a big impact in the world of personal computing, and had a big hand in opening the door to the subsequent reality of "computers for everyone".
The Mac was a big breakthrough as an idea, if not as a practical reality. Its Super Bowl ad, and the idea of the future of computing as imparted through that ad campaign, may have had more of an impact than the machine itself, which was cumbersome to use for most popular professional and personal applications, as it was neither a business machine nor a gaming machine. Ultimately, I would not say it particularly changed the world any more than most other popular computing products of the day, of which there were a variety.
So I guess, in my estimation Apple definitely made a big impact in the computing industry in its early days, but the things it actually produced didn't really change the world even as much as Xerox or IBM did, or Bell Labs or Intel or Zilog (maker of the foundational Z80 chip that truly _did_ change the world) or any number of other seminal tech companies, really. VisiCalc changed the world. And the Mac ad campaign changed the world a bit. Apple's products are inextricably linked with those things, of course, but I think it's more accurate to see them as more sort of along for the ride. They were decent tools that ran world-changing software and inspired new ways of thinking about computers.
Guy soaked his feet in public toilets and thought eating just fruit would cure his cancer 😂
Sounds like propaganda
Jobs chose to wait 9 months for an operation that many doctors believe would have saved his life.
Instead he chose to drink smoothie to cure is cancer.
The sad part is that he knew in the end that he waisted those 9 months on new age bullshit.
Show me a genius that wasn't at least partially crazy or eccentric.
@@zombieshart1001 I don't know about the toilets thing, but he absolutely was a nutcase about diet and health issues, and went through periodic "fruitarian" phases
Did he not do something weird like only eat carrots for a year in his earlier life
Ayyyy Sarah Snook working her way to Shiv
Bro that has blown my mind
No one writes dialogue better than Sorkin. You know when his characters start a confrontation that it's going to be good!
Seth should certainly do more dramatic roles instead of just comedies
his 50/50 character was good. Granted he did kind of come off as a douche but you later find out how much he cares, he was doing his best to deal with something he didn't know how to deal with.
“Stop using Play-Doh, and just use the chemotherapy, Steve.”
“No.”
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bottom line: If it took a village to grow something spectacular, acknowledge that village 🎯
The guy's pride surpassed his talent and was ultimately his undoing.
I think being adopted really poisoned his ego. He never got over that. He even found his real father, but never had the guts to speak to him face to face. His behavior in business was driven by his need to show that he was the best, and indispensable.
“Start with two of the accountants.” 😅
For some reason I got this picture in my head of Angela, Oscar, and Kevin looking at each other. 😉
this conversation is supposed to be taking place before the announcement for the launch of the Cube, arguably Apples greatest flop of all time that Jobs loved for the dumbest reasons
The scene actually takes place before the launch of the iMac
Wrong scene
Yeah but it lead to the Mac Mini which was a major success.
Aaron Sorkin may be full of himself but he can write I'll give him that
I agree. I really enjoy his work but never want to meet him in real life.
Nerd fights are always rough man!
Whats funny is that Woz with the Newton was perfect stepping stone for the Ipad and touch screens
Fun fact for those who didn't grow up with apple. Steve Jobs was a the best snake oil salesman in the world. Could make almost anyone buy his product. But as all snake oil salesman he couldn't make anything himself and had no moral code other than money. This allowed him to save the company twice and create a loyal fan base that doesn't even know why they buy an apple product other than it is apple.
It's called 'I' PHONE , for a reason😅
Oh I didn’t think of that 🤔
Perfect bro 😂😂
"you get a pass". Most petty yet destructive line in the movie.
One of our heroes was a very flawed man. Over the years I've come to realize that Steve Wozniak was just as exiting and as instrumental in the development of personal computers as Jobs. Jobs OWED everything to Woz.
Pretty sad if steve jobs is a hero to you
@@zackr1896 VERY
Woz was the "engineer" behind it all. Apple wouldn't have existed if certain management level people at HP hadn't blown off Woz when he demonstrated the prototype of the Apple I computer. Woz was working there at HP on an internship (or similar) and came up with the initial design/OS.
After that he took it to the Homebrew Computer Club meeting where he and Jobs presented it. Rest is history.
I know this because I worked for (after he left HP and years later, 1999) one of the HP Sr. managers who saw it. He said it was the biggest mistake he and a couple of other people made in their careers for not recognizing the potential. He told me and other people that HP replied "We're an instruments company, and not a computer company." Big Whoops!
This movie is interesting from the standpoint of showing how egotistical Jobs was. He had vision, but that along with his ego alienated a lot of people who helped him get where he was in the end.
Nah
Jobs a hero? New phone can't fit the old charger, that's your hero?
I remember learning on the Macintosh when I was in school, in the 2000s. I always asked why aren't we using PCs. Something that can be upgraded easier to use and not a pain in the ass like an Apple.
Hang on. I have worked on PCS for 30 years, home pcs, and apple for all that overpricing, does have cleaner neater design in most of the home pcs they sell.
because schools change out computers so infrequently that by the time they do get new computers you’d have to change out every part in the old ones besides maybe the case which is the same as getting a new computer
@@JoshuaKevinPerry I rather a slightly less neat system that I can use consistently for 10 years without ever having to buy an entire new system.
@@Coliflower185 Not really true anymore. Almost everything is on the motherboard - sound, nic, gpu. New cpus wont work on older mothers anyway. If you have a gaming machine and absolutely insist on having the latest GPU, then you can swap it out for a few years before the rest of the system becomes a bottleneck. Doesn't really matter anymore either - around 20 years ago the hardware overtook the software to the extent that (gaming, cad etc aside) you can run all the latest software just fine for several years.
@@JoshuaKevinPerrywhat does that even mean neater? It's completely proprietary and unreparable and designed to create e-waste
That's why he died young, put too many negative energy into the world.
I for one would credit the cancer
@@asdasasdas3476 every one knows cancer of the butt is caused by being an ass to people
lol
Steve’s downfall was his pride. He had a very curable cancer but decided not to listen to his doctors. He thought he was smarter than the doctors and could go the natural route. By the time he got the surgery it was too late. I’m also pretty sure he didn’t donate any money to Pancreatic Cancer research. A genius in his own right but couldn’t put aside his ego
He was also just ignorant and didn't listen to other people because he always thought he was right. He had ample time to get treatment that would cure his cancer but he's like 'nah I'm gonna do the eat only fruit diet because that might work' and then when it didn't it was too late to cure it with modern treatment lmao
Finally are seeing the beauty of steve jobs movie. Is phenomenal. I cry at the end too
I heard a film critic say once, as much as he liked Aaron's Sorkin writing people simply don't talk like that, with that razor sharp quick wittiness, exchanging zingers that you couldn't come up with if you could press pause whenever you needed to...that stayed in my head like a kinda clever song whenever I hear Aaron Sorkins words off the screen, I mean even super brillliant people are not that quick witted in real life.
Don't talk to me like I'm other people
You know I’ve always found that critique fascinating because for me I don’t really want to hear how real people talk in a movie. Most people I hear in real life are dull as fuck, and even when watching something based on real people I still want to escape. So I prefer how people talk in Sorkin scripts, Tarantino scripts, etc.
@@FreeYourMindFilms people don't talk like Tolkien writes but Lord of the Rings is still amazing
Yeah. It's like all the characters are competing to see who can mention the most Apple products.
"I had 3 different accountants try to explain it to me, the whole place has to be streamlined."
"Start with 2 of the accountants."
absolutely love Sorkin's dialogue, even the smallest stuff is witty as hell
If you want to know what Steve Jobs did for Apple, he was good at breathing and he took up a lot of air.
Don’t be mistaken, Steve was absolutely a crucial part of apple. Yeah he was an ass, no doubt about that, but he was the head of the organization and the reason it succeeded. CEOs don’t make the product, yet they are the most important people as they make the decisions for the product.
@@clockwork5796 After Jobs died all Apple products have basically been stagnant in terms of innovation. Steve would not like how mediocre the company is now.
He died of lung cancer lol
@@joshuaworthington6422 Jobs refused to get treatment for his cancer. He could have survived if he got cancer treatment and stopped his bad dieting.
@@joshuaworthington6422 Irony
What exactly was Steve Job’s job? Did he actually help with innovating and designing the tech? Or was he just the mouthpiece and in charge of promoting the products??
He was a visionary leader. He had only mediocre technical skill, he wasn’t really an engineer or a coder per se, though he could tinker a little bit. His real skill was in a vision for creating intuitive computers that were easy to use. Ever think about how an iPhone or iPad don’t come with a manual, but virtually everyone knows how to use it? That’s Jobs. Some could say he exploited others’ talents to achieve his vision & take the credit. That’s partially true. But it’s also true that none of those dozens/hundreds of people who helped Jobs create his products, would have created anything near as good if Jobs wasn’t there.
He was the ultimate product person. Without his intuitive vision for the products apple should make, Apple stumbled and almost died. He is also incredible at hiring, marketing, and sales. He just wasn't an amazing engineer.
It's also worth pointing out the downsides of his philosophy. I've heard it called a walled garden philosophy. Apple products are like walking paths in a professionally maintained garden. Everything is beautiful and you can get anywhere the paths go easily but you can only go where they let you. His hackers and hobbyists comment speaks to that. In college I joked that Apple made computers for Sorority Girls. They could do the minimal tasks they wanted to without ever having to learn anything about a computer which always seemed very limiting in the long term. And his philosophy won out. It's why people can't understand why computers and programs aren't magic and can't do whatever you want instantly. It's why you can't easily replace the battery in your smart phone like you used to. Sleekness and ease take precedence over function.
I always hated him and Apple because that's the exact opposite of my philosophy. I wanted people to understand the basics of the technology so they could better use it and we could advance the tech.
@@brianleap5830 Yeah it's a mixed bag with a lot of tradeoffs. Though I will say - the average person doesn't really care about that and would rather have a cohesive and functional experience
@@brianleap5830 He was essentially one of the messiahs of anti right to repair philosophy
Essentially the anti christ of tech lol
This movie was like a Drama recorded on the stage🔥🔥 great writing, great acting and great direction
This was such an under appreciated movie man. The dialogue in this movie was soo good. Every scene was great to watch.
Seth Rogen was legitimately awesome in this movie
I like how Wozniak funded Steve's ideas in beginning with his apple 2bot know one acknowledge
I've never seen this movie, and I didn't know anything about Fassbender before looking him up after this video, but holy cow- that German accent is just ripping through the entire scene lol. Interestingly, Jobs' has German ancestry (but not the accent).
Which movie had the better protrayl of jobs ? This one or the one with Ashton kutcher?
@@thebyrdcage8619 Probably this one, but Steve Wozniak also said that the characters didn't act like they do in real life, and most of the events were totally changed (but still says it's a great "artistic portrayal" and has praised the film). So I doubt either movie offers a good portrayal of Jobs either way. It's just a movie.
" Acknowledge them! "
" Theyr'e going to live in the biggest houses of the unemployment line "
Yeah, but that's... not the point. The point is to recognise people who worked hard on something.
But THAT's not the point. Jobs was an asshole, but Woz was wrong to push for a distraction in the speech. The presentation was not about the Apple II. And mentioning the Apple II would have clanged, introduced a spike of awkward anxious negativity, that resonated well beyond that mention, continuing to overshadow the presentation of the iMac. Everyone knew, especially in that audience, that the Apple II and Macintosh had competed for resources and company focus. It's like mentioning your ex in a speech at your wedding
“This is a product launch, not a luncheon.”
Stumbled across this one late one night. Was hooked immediately. Great film; well-made, well-acted.
if I would ever meet Seth Rogen, I would not waste his time. Just tip my hat and say, "Thank you for playing Woz." Man, Rogen is good in this scene. So much nuance and humanity.
One of the most watchable movies ever.
“Someone, for the love of God, what did that guy (Jobs) do?” - Bill Burr
He brought them together. If those guys could function without Steve they would have made their own companies. They didnt.
Nobody writes dialogue better than Sorkin.
Maybe the Coen Brothers and Quentin Tarantino.
I always felt Wozniak was more like McCartney, did everything he could to keep the band together and acknowledged everyone's achievements. Just seems generally more down to earth and an all around good guy.
Jobs is in fact John Lennon by virtue because he is filled with ego and wanted to break up the band and also be somehow recognized as the iconic artistic one. He was also a terrible father.
This I think is a good indication that Seth Rogen is a good dramatic actor, he just needs roles like this.
Not even an Oscar nod for best supporting for Seth.
It wasn't Oscar worthy lol tf
Most, if not all, Silicon Valley CEOs summed up in one scene.
God, Aaron Sorkin screenplays are just so fkn good.
Seth Rogen needs to really return more often for these types of roles because for as much as he's been in some decent comedy movies, his character is overplayed and I'd like to see him in more dramas and serious movies like this
He genuinely doesn't want to.
He's getting old and has mental illness that makes him fatigued.
1:50 Siobhan Roy jumpscare
Nobody can tell Jobs what to do. Not even his doctors.
I feel like if Woz was like “acknowledge the Apple II team, you can also show how far we have come. It can show investors how close the future is”
This is drama at its finest. Such a great scene
Thank God Steve Jobs' pancreas defended The Woz
Where is the part where he uses Chinese child labor to make his products??
Youre so edgy
@@turnmeondeadman4221 Steve Jobs is overrated, all he did was tell other people to make stuff while he took all the credit for it.
I thought Shiv Roy had learned to be nasty with her father Logan, now I see it was with Steve Jobs.
seth rogan played himself in this movie
Real Woz said he would've never said something like that to Steve, so there's that, this is just fantasy
Everyone in that room was stunned by what a c%#* he was.
This is probably the only time I admired Seth Rogan for his acting.
Greed is the death of everything good in our soul, greed is the failure of the human mind. We are meant to guide one another. Not exploit each other. Wozniak could see this where Jobs could not. And now we are all worse off because of it.
The guy that made the technology -- and they guy who put his name on it
The Newton was the template for the iPhone and iPad. It was a great idea, but they lacked the technology to make it what they promised.
That's not Scott Wozniak
Both this and the other movie are highly inaccurate. Woz said only one movie was 'about 85% accurate'. Pirates of Silicon Valley.
Both woz and Andy Hertzfeld said “none of it happened- but it’s all true.”
I don’t think the goal was to make them realistic, but to make an entertaining movie. Nobody talks like this in real life, yet the dialogue sticks with you.
@@Seitanic_panic Right - Woz said that no way could he have been as articulate as that Sorkin dialogue, and the specific incidents and scenes often didn't happen, but it all was emotionally true and captured the overall dynamic
The real Woz said he never wouldve talked to Steve like that.
Yeah I kind of don't get the point of having this scene in it if it never happened. I guess they just wanted something dramatic of a finale to end it on.
Thankyou by upload 🎉
I haven’t seen this movie but these scenes make me recognize Rogan as an actual actor
Met wozniak at a highschool level robotics competition. Dude was super chill. Jobs is famously a horrible person. I can only hope jobs becomes more reviled as time continues
Which one had a better family?
The dialogue, the acting....Seth Rogan HAS RANGE
Many engineers suck at making good products. They always need guidance. They forget the consumer isn't an engineer
I love that people see these movies and think this isn’t biased and it’s 100% what happened.
It’s entertainment
Seth Rogen is a beast in this role.
Damn if someone told me Seth Rohan DID this role I’d have been skeptical but damn he DID THIS ROLE
Seth Rogan is amazing, I really loved his show Preacher😊
The acting in this film is Top Notch
only one of these dudes is in the dirt because he thought he could literally cure cancer with an apple a day lol
My favorite part about this scene? Both of them were correct.
When two incredibly smart people argue, it’s incredibly entertaining. Jobs is right, the business moves after the Apple 2 were catastrophic. Wozniak is also one of the great geniuses of our time. Both have a great point.
That's the problem both are right , one should be wrong here
@@thanoskitsos5710Corporatism 101. Screw over the real creator who made the company creative establish a fake creator that keeps the company corporate.
@@petermj1098 I am talking about the movie , not about the real life
@@petermj1098 Haha no. Wozniak was a great creator of computers, but Jobs created that company. Wozniak’s philosophy’s were so incredibly bad for business, it’s absurd. And even some of his product ideas were more exciting for him then they ever would have been practical for the every man. This is why working together would have been amazing if they could have coexisted.
@@thanoskitsos5710 No, that’s what makes it great. Right or wrong is not as common as people would like to believe. They both have a PoV that is incredibly valid. The ideal would both to find middle ground, but the issue with geniuses…sometimes you dig in to being right and hold onto that.
Never seen this movie, is the rest of it as good as this scene? Because this scene is fantastic.