Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Panzer IV, Pt 1
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2020
- I borrow noted German tank expert Hilary Doyle to go on this tour of a Panzer IV in Munster. Part 1 of 3.
This is a Wargaming-Paid video. The link if you want to start playing and attribute it to these videos (as mentioned towards the end) is tanks.ly/WoTChieftain
silly chieftain calling these vids an advertisement for wot.
in truth wot was an advertisement for this! stopped playing ages ago but this is great stuff
No. Not at all. If you are not from gaming community but rather armored forces maybe historical areas and military vehicles designing you would already know both gents. Still I admit I did not knew mr Dole. Mainly because his books are/were not published in my country.
@@HanSolo__ well for some such games like wot are the reason they decide to further look into these machines, which makes them stick around long after growing bored of playing the same few games over and over.
in the end it's just a question of generation. whether you were a kid or teen back when wot was new and exciting or if you were already old enough to have learned to appreciate the technology put on display in it through different means
Careful
Wargaming execs might read this and decide the whole project is not worth it anymore.
@@bwer123gt they already did
@@bwer123gt Yeeeep, thats already happened. Support Chieftain directly, he seems pretty interested to do some in his own time when he can spare it. :)
I remember the late R. Lee Ermey remarking on one of his television programs that we're lucky the British named the Jerry can, because if it had been left to the U.S. Army, it would've ended up being called the Axis Forces Fuel Container.
Or as history channel would put it "nazi germany nazi fuel container"
They still make the damn things too. I have a couple, and they actually work perfectly - compared to the new govment EPA compliant plastic crap.
Container Fuel 50 Litre (desert) M1
@@RW4X4X3006 please utilize your third hand to dispense fuel the environment thank you for this infuriating task.
@@MrGMoney1944 I'm guilty of tampering.
Thank you for making the "music" less loud. It makes quite a difference to actually hear what you are talking about, sir. :D
Still bad though.
He dose not control it, the video is for war gaming and they add the very annoying music for some reason I cannot comprehend.
I never had a problem understanding him. The M103 video was different because of the microphone situation but every other video has been absolutely fine. Unless you’re tone deaf, which I can reason with, but..
Just remove it all together. This isn't Pawn Stars or Ice Road Truckers
When I was in the German Army (Bundeswehr) driving instructors would commonly put a bucket somewhere on a vehicle so that if the learner did not check the vehicle correctly it would make audible noises when driving.
Perhaps this "tradition" came from the Wehrmacht with the same idea, someone found a tank where a bucket was still on, made the photo and since then all German tanks need a bucket.
hotty3 ive seen multiple pictures of german tank convoys moving into combat, usually in france 1940 where they all have bucketed butts and it wont stop bothering me
A good way to lose a bucket I guess.
It may have been used as a Latrine, if the Engine is hot you can shit in the warmth and have cover from the tank. It wouldn't be near any hatch to the crew compartment too, so no smell inside. It's where I would've put the poop bucket on a ww2 German tank :-)
btw on what vehicle was the bucket method in the Bundeswehr done? In the Leopard 2 I would've got lambasted for not wearing hearing protection, if I heard bucket noises. Though I was a Loader, so didn't have much to do with driving training.
@@TT-nt2co so you tellin me the germans invented the shitbucket?
@@Wolvenworks it was BMWs first patent.
I bet the tanker who put his bucket on the back of his panther is laughing his ass off.
"We have specially modified this version for Russia."
"What told you that this was necessary?"
"Well, we've found out that it gets cold there."
I mean Barbarossa started in the spring, and classic hubris they figured I would be a quick jaunt like Poland and France, considering the Soviets got owned by the Finnish, it might have seemed that way
But then it got dragged out all the way to winter, and Hitler ignored all reports telling him fuel was freezing in the tanks, dudes were dropping dead, they still mostly had horses so that just wouldn't work..
He may have been a lunatic but the memes of don't invade Russia in the winter never really apply, didn't in Napoleons case either
It just ends up dragging on until then because it's insane to invade at all
@@KaladinVegapunk Dude they knew they had to crush the russian army and reach Moskau before October 1941. Thats how long they asstimated their feul supply would last. The Winter wasnt their biggest concern. They knew that the war was doomed by a very large percentage if they fail.
Odin Satanas Barbarossa started June 21st, summer by most accounts, spring has the rainy season which they needed to avoid due to the dogshit infrastructure of the Soviet Union
The Height diffrence is astounding. This is cool!
When they do the interior, they should do the "oh bugger the tank is on fire" and time the chaps getting out.
Tall tank man
@@johnegan7622 My thought exactly👍😊
I say this with no disrespect intended to either of them, but it's like looking at Gandalf and Frodo.
How did you reply 2 days before the video premiered?
Yes. Finally. Nicolas and Hilary Doyle together on an inside the hatch. There is a God.
Yes. He is racing on desert brutality probably.
The Chieftain , You sir do an OUTSTANDING JOB and greatly appreciated by so many ...thank you
Hilary Doyle is 77 years old. I hope to live that long with all my bits in working order.
16:15 That tail light is actually genius
@Jeff Wilkins We used a like system when I trained with them.
@@kurtb2522 hello, what are the ranges of the tail lights? What's the right distance ?👍
The storage bin was called “Rommel-Kiste“.
Yeah, wouldn't doubt he's behind the push for those installed. Anyone who's worked in AFV's knows, their ain't room on board for your own gear. "Hey assholes, where do I put this?"
So judging by the markings (assuming they are authentic), this was used by the 15th Panzer Divsion, 8 Panzer Regiment, 4th Panzer Company - platoon 1 - vehicle 3.
Can you explain through which markings tell you that? I know the Red triangle with the stem line is the 15th, and the Yellow YIII is the 8th Regiment, but what are the Company, Platoon, and vehicle markers?
@@hamishneilson7140 I believe its the 413 on the tank 1=platoon 1 and 3=vehicle 3. Not sure about the 4 but it has something to do with it also. I read somewhere that commanders vehicle numbers ended in 0 or 1. Can't remember honestly, something about the tank numbers tells you some info.
@@vanguardactual1 company/platoon/vehicle. the commanders often had a 0 at the beginning. 009 for instance.
@@hamishneilson7140 The 8th Panzer Regiment had two medium tank companies - 4th and 8th so this is tank '413' therefore it's from the 4th company (which makes sense as it's a PzkwIV), platoon 1, vehicle 3.
@@AdamMann3D I had read something like that, Thanks for reminding me.
A Chieftain's panzer IV video...With Hillary Doyle? It just can't get any more awesome than this!
Been looking forward to the IV for a while 👌
What a pleasure to have Hilary Doyle in these episodes.
Finally a Panzer IV Video. So many Years without a Inside the Chieftains Hatch for imo one of the best Tanks of WWII.
It was definitely the best German tank of WW2, or at least the most useful. Sure, it didn't have the gun or armor of the Big Cats, but it was a rugged, reliable all-rounder that could be produced in large numbers and made up the backbone of the Panzer Corps. In many ways it was the German equivalent of the Sherman
@@DefconMaster It was the only German tank that was exactly what it was supposed to be, a decent medium tank that can do most tasks. It was cheap to build, easy to repair and the long barreled KwK outperformed nearly all alied non-TD guns during most of the war. Thats the exact design philosphy Germany should have stuck with. Cheap, durable and reliable.
In my opinion its the best looking tank of the war, especially the later version with the sideskirts, alongside the Pershing and Hellcat
Mohammed Hersi How is the Pershing one of the best tanks of WW2 when it barely saw action?
@@xanderchristensen6068 Best looking along side the PZ IV and Hellcat. Not best tank.
Xander Christensen On paper and in action it preformed amazingly. It was better then any other allied tank during the war. And during Korea they crushed the commies. It was a very good tank and it’s little brothers still serve today (M-60A3 is still in US service)
So long awaited! Thanks, Major Nick and master Doyle!
LtC(Lieutenant Colonel U.S.ARMY) Moran and Mr.Doyle....
Knut Der Große I think he is a major
Still a Major.
@@TheChieftainsHatch No worries. The mill of the Army gods grinds exceedingly slowly, but it grinds exceedingly fine.
William Cox what you said
It’s brilliant to see a fellow Irish man doing so well and enjoying doing what he loves. 🙏🏻👏🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
The end bit talking about camel spiders "Many rounds were expended that day." Would that be from the co-ax or the main gun?
Yes
The coax, the main gun, the .50-cal, and the various personal firearms they were issued.
Yes
Then they started beating it to death with the Jerry can.
The coax, the main gun, their personal weapons, some artillery support fire missions, and at least one airstrike.
Finally we get to the Pz IV. The work horse of the panzer divisions in WWII. Was wondering when it would come to this. We did the Pz III, the Panther, the Stug, the Hetzer, and the Pz I. Now if only they'll let you get inside Tiger 141....
Would be extremely hard to get inside 141. 131 on the other hand might be more accessible....
@@WozWozEre why is that
I love it when Doyle and Chieftain do these series you get perfectly understandable info and honest opinions of the vehicles .
I dont even play World of Paytowin anymore, but this channel is the best thing that has come from wargaming
Doyle has impressed me with the amount of knowledge he showed. I much appreciate your work, sir.
I wish he had explained more, kinda felt like he just answered the chieftains questions only, he may not be used to a camera and may not thought of offering more to the audience. I gotta say he knows a lot about Panzers tho.
14:10 "Speaking of sticking things in the back..." Uncomfortable silence and questioning look
Laugh my ass off 😂😂
The pz4 is my favorite tank so glad its finally being shown
I see that you are a man of fine tastes.
Puma is my personal favorite
I've been waiting for awhile for an Inside The Hatch on the Panzer IV. Thank you tank Gods!
Great to have him along. Amazing fountain of knowledge who offers great addition to your excellent presentation.
There you go, the long and the short of the Panzer IV.
My favourite tank, awesome! Really looking forward to the interior stuff in the second part!
I'm also realizing that the "stubby engine compartment" is a lot of what makes the Panzer IV such a good looking tank, it just has really nice lines and proportions.
I could listen all day to you both having a banter about tanks
Hilary & Chieftain - thank you so much! You make this military history buff very happy.
Such a graceful transition away from the subject of the bucket to the Maybach exhaust. Thanks Mr. Doyle.
No scatology. Excellent.
As for the provenance of the tank, did some digging:
The red triangle with the vertical line (12:58) is the symbol of the 15th Panzer Division. It may have been re-painted since it was captured, but I would hope not. It seems that there was a single two-battalion tank regiment (8th Panzer) in that division. If it arrived in Tripoli in late October 1942, I would hazard a guess that it may have been captured almost immediately. The Second Battle of el Alamein began a few days after this tank arrived in-theater. Hence it's nearly pristine condition.
Lucky it didn't end up on the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea given all of the attacks launched against the convoys supplying Rommel.
Wow, very informative. Love learning about the tanks I've ground in WoT. Many thanks to Mr. Doyle (and of course the Chieftain..) Hope you get to continue the series! Anxiously awaiting part 2.
Good god, I had to wait a long time for this video to come out Nick, nearly 2 years since you filmed it!! Worth the wait though, you and Hilary were excellent, can’t wait to see the next instalment 👍🏻
Finally the Panzer IV + Hilary Doyle: best tank video yet!
I think the bucket being right next to that big hot exhaust would be a wonderful and warm place to relieve yourself on the cold winter nights.
The tale of the jerrycan adoption by the allies is really interesting, cars being smuggled half way a cross the world.
Agreed, it is a very interesting tale of technology transfer as well as the name sticking with the item. You can see in some pictures of the old style of fuel cans that the British forces used in the Western Desert, along with all the dents and you quickly realise why everyone swapped over to the Jerry can.
@@markfryer9880 the British four-gallon "flimsy" was hated by all who came in contact with it, as it was about as durable for military service as a biscuit tin and it had been earmarked for replacement before WW 2 as British Empire units hated it and kept complaining about it,especially when such cans leaked in storage or from rough handling. It couldn't cope with stacking like the Jerrycan could and refuelling vehicles with large fuel capacities like large aircraft or tanks took ages and was not safe practise in desert conditions. Jerrycans could be lined up and drained into vehicle tanks using large funnels.
@@michaelbevan3285 I think that you may have just insulted biscuit tins the world over by that comparison. The "flimsy" was a disaster, no doubt about it and your stacking comments were spot on. How on earth did it ever get accepted for military service?
When I was a kid, and having seen that the British had spread the name Jerrycan ie. a racial slur into common use today, I saw a packet of Pom Bears crisps and thought they were named after the racial slur for Britons
Having spent a decent amount of time in tracked vehicles myself, o gotta say I appreciate the track tensioning talk.
Fantastic video and expert knowledge from Hilary - can't wait to watch the other two parts!
Thank you again Mr Doyle and Nick , I look forward to the next Video .
Excellent, Thanks been looking for the Mk IV for a year now.
It does not get better than this. Thank you!!
The Panzer IV episode? I've been awaitingthis for all eternity. And it's just as good as I thought it was ever going to be, even better because Hilary Doyle!
Been waiting forever for the panzer 4. Subscribed!
Great treat having Hilary Doyle.
Mr Hilary Doyle! Thank you for your awesome books!
Very happy to see more inside the turret episodes
this man knows his stuff ,answered a few questions I had , impressive knowledge
The Chieftains hatch didn't start me on World of Tanks but it has helped keep me playing. I watch a clip then grind to that tank.
I love the MyBack engine!
It's here!
edit: And with bonus Hilary Doyle. This is perfect.
Great video! Good editing and good discussion. And a great looking tank 👍
Outstanding video and presentation.
Ireland showing off its best tank experts here. AKA Yoda and Luke. Great stuff !
So poda and luke Tank-Walker
Yes quite odd to have 2 Irishmen, who's country has never had a serious tank capability, being tank experts
DARN, I work in MFG and this is Fascinating seeing how improvments were made BRAVO!!!!!
Very nice! Looking forward to more videos with Mr Doyle
Grand presentation!! Thank you both!
Pz 4 was meant to get sloped armour in the long run? Interesting, I wonder what this would look like .... would be a nice prem tank for WoT too :-)
was wondering if a review could be done on a King Tiger? I would like to see you do a review on the Tiger 1 as well , but Richard Cutland already did one, I do remember you saying that you won't review what he has done already. Myself I do like your reviews better :). Great videos and thankyou
Ohh Tiger II absolutely deserves it's own Inside the Hatch episodes! It was the biggest steel beast of World War II after all. Perhaps after this one he will manage to drag Mr. Doyle next to one of them as well...
Are there any restored King Tigers around where one could suitably showcase the interior? I don't know how the Munster King Tiger looks on the inside. Otherwise we have to wait a couple years, the Swiss are currently restoring one to running condition.
@@HerrGausF Fort Benning , maybe Tiger 233 ua-cam.com/video/cl0TQ8XR4g4/v-deo.html
@@HerrGausF Musee Des Blindes at Saumur has one that runs. Plus, Chieftain has done many episodes in the past on vehicles that weren't in running order, or even entirely complete, anyway.
my mistake militracks is in Europe, not sure where I read /thought this tank was in the USA
I'd love to help out, but I already have an account. I actually stopped playing WoT, but these videos made me play it again
Just visited the Panzermuseum Munster a few days ago and had an awesome day. The Panzer IV is one of my favourites for years.
Now I'm even more in love with Friederike.
But the Panzer III and the Panzer IV have swapped places between the Video and my visit.
I really like adding Hilary, He has those details that i find just fascinating about armor development
Love these evolutionary designs. Happy you got Hilary Doyle for this.
Hey Nick ! Do a history of the Jerrycan ! It's an amazing bit of design with a rich history.
I REALLY liked this.
Thank you Chieftain.
I watched your video's when you started because I played wot,then I found war thunder and I watch your video's because of you dude.i havnt played wot in many years
Same here 😁
Was wondering at the beginning why you were talking about the Tank Museum when this is clearly Munster, I was on that Panzer IV and took a look inside. xD Luckily you clarified. Nice video, thank you!
I've anxiously awaited this video for a long time. I am not disappointed. Doyle is a treasure (as is the Chieftain). Now, to pay the bills: I guess I'll give WOT a go. I've been freeloading long enough. Thank you for this presentation. Kurt
Gotta appreciate the level of knowledge, he can tell you where the specific steel was sourced from for this vehicle...
Couldn't ask for more... :D
So interesting ! - Could listen to these guys all day ! - But it's 8:00 oclcock - Things to do ! - Come back to you later tonight !
Thanks for sharing !
I was in Munster like 2 days ago and the Pz.3 L was standing right there where that Pz.4 is.
Yes - my favorite tank at last!
Excellent video!! It would be awesome if WOT had Mr Doyle around more.
Looking forward to part two. I so hope the "Oh Dear, the tanks' on fire." drill will feature Doyle exiting from the drivers' seat so we see how much more efficiently a less vertical person gets out.
The driver has his own large hatch directly above him so it should be easy even for chieftain.
Delightful! He sure knows his stuff!
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing man. T.
More please, its cool to hear so deatlied info from Hilary
@ 5:01 we get a nice view of the armor thickness of that autobounce zone on the frontal of the pzIV...it's not very thick, but that angle is very obtuse...though I'm sure irl it would send a ricochet to the vertical upper plate and punch right through depending on what it was hit by...but in wot blitz, everything gets absorbed by it.
Would love to have a chat about tanks and history with you guys at some point!
One of my favorite tanks!
This is so awesome!! I'm sure I'm not alone in loving all this wonky detail!!!! Haha
Love inside the hatch. Please don’t let it go
Can listen to these fellas loads,
I already have an account but I bought premium time because of these videos. These videos are outstanding!
Been waiting for panzer 4. My fav tank.
1 minute into the video and I;'m excited!
Any hints where I can read up on the sloped armour version and the idea of having a Pzkfw4 with Torsion bars?
Tbh if i get the cash I'd make the paper tanks or tanks that should be for the sake of showing history
At last!!! Thank You, Sir.
This is THE tank for me. I don't think it is the capability, but more the iconic look. If I could own a tank (and yeah I know, these are millions of euros to buy) it would be this tank hands down over any other, past or present. So glad you snagged Hilary for this. So damn knowledgeable.
Nice work gentlemen.
Hilary Doyle is a star. His Panzer Tracts series on German AFVs is a must for awesome details.
Interesting, so this vehicle may have been landed in time for El Alamein. I see it has the double baffle muzzle break on the gun. Anyone know when those were introduced on the L/43 gun? All of the early F2s seem to have had the single globular type of muzzle break.
Nick, Good segment with Hilary. Question on the Leaf-spring suspension. Historically, was there a weight limit on PZ's where they would no longer be effective, regardless of their road speed.
Making note to reflect the comments that this PZ-Special was only support, but still, aside from Reconnaissance, most of the german tanks were not built to be supper fast, so, designs could have continued with leaf springs. theoretically. Right?
I like the rich detailed video. Lots off information in it. Can't wait to see part 2 off it. How did he get so knowledgeable about the various tank topics?
By the way, I did play the game for a good amount off years. But I had my reasons to stop with it.
Keep up the good work.
Right around the hatch at 4:57, there are a bunch of small gouges/indentations in the armor. I've seen these on other vehicles as well. Any idea what the marks are from?
Probably tool marks
Fantastic video.
pls, more with Mr Doyle! Very interesting.
I read somewhere that the jerrycan is actually an Italian design adopted and mass-produced in vast numbers by the germans. Perhaps photographs of Italian vehicles dated before the arrival of the Afrika Korps will shed some light on this. The Maybach engines were compact because they used tunnel crankcases and crankshafts, a Maybach house specialty also seen in railway engines of the period (both petrol and diesel). The result was somewhat more fragile and demanding in maintenance terms, these engines were known to be temperamental, albeit with a very good performance.
Great. This man are one encyplopedia. Thanks for sharing.