Rivian Provides Base for Mail Truck; Mercedes Keeping A-Class Longer - Autoline Daily 3766
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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0:00 Smaller Chinese Automakers Form Battery JV
1:10 VW Makes Big Investment in China
2:01 Blink Tripling EV Charger Production
2:38 Ford Gets Big Fine for Evading Import Tariff
3:30 IIHS Says Partial AV Systems Aren't Good Enough
4:42 Volvo Partnership Could Reduce Charging Time by 30%
5:17 Nissan Turning to Incentives to Boost Sales
6:27 EVs Too Expensive So Mercedes Keeping A-Class Longer
7:01 Rivian Provides Base for New Canadian Mail Truck
Story Links:
Chinese Battery JV:
autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energ...
carnewschina.com/2024/03/12/b...
VW China Investment: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
Blink Boosts Charger Production: blinkcharging.com/news/blink-...
Ford Fined Over Tariffs: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
IIHS Rates Partial AV Systems: www.iihs.org/news/detail/firs...
Volvo Battery Software Partnership: www.media.volvocars.com/globa...
Nissan Boosts Incentive Spending: www.autonews.com/sales/2023-n...
Mercedes Keeps ICE A-Class: www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...
Rivian Based Mail Truck: www.fleetowner.com/emissions-...
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I love how it's always "EV demand is slowing" and not "auto demand is slowing". Makes sense to specifically say EV demand is slowing only if general auto demand is not. However, since auto in general is slowing ... THAT is the news, not that some segment is slowing, just like the broad market. You call out the outliers.
Righto. In fact, isn't the EV segment outperforming the rest of automotive industry? I could be wrong. If so, please let me know.
This was ridiculously predicable. The crappy EVs were always going to see sales crater. Vw, ford, gm, etc. They were never going to keep sales going because their products sucked. Tesla is seeing growth because they are the only ones serious about making a good EV. Even rivian is not serious because they were one of the last to sign onto nacs. A serious EV company would have been the first or would have never used ccs combo to begin with.
EV sales are down?: 2021: 550,000, 2022: 918,500. 2023: 1.2 million. They've been slowdown since Jan.
Lowering production so at end of year they can say lower sales
If you tell a lie enough times, it's still a lie
Yeah, funny how a few EVs sit on the lot and the sky is falling. But the same number of every ICE model sitting on the lot is just business as usual.
I always appreciate the "Thanks for making Autoline a part of your day" at the end!
So, an EV mail truck in Canada can look normal, but in the US it had to look like ass.
IKR
They may look like ass, but dang, it seems like a nice place to work, functionality-wise. If you get a chance to sit behind the wheel, take it. It's really clearly a well-thought-out function-over-form design.
Actually cost parity has been reached between ICE and BEV prices by Chinese automakers for EV's which is why german automakers are asking their government to impose more tariffs on imported Chinese EV's.
nope it has not been reached. its the governments which are making life harder on ICE while investing all in EVs while the ICE is still literaly doing everything, from roads to bridges to agriculture to the grid, power stations and even renewables its all possible with ICE not the useless EVs.
I’m not sure about the specific requirements for the mail delivery vans, but it strikes me that the Canadian Postal Service should be buying BrightDrop Zero Electric Delivery Vehicles from the GM plant in Ingersol Ontario Canada, not USA built Rivian EV chassis.
or directly buy rivian vans and let the middle steps away!!!
The postal vans are right hand drive and offer sliding doors so the van can drive with door open. Both features are important for roadside mail delivery.
Excited to see Rivian become a bigger player in the commercial van sector, they got potential there, maybe they can bring their costs down with higher scale if they go this path, at least I hope so, as it's their biggest challenge right now.
Rivian may not be around next year...
@@pepeshoppingTheir financials are a concern, I hope they figure it out and succeed in cost cutting measures, before they exhaust their available capital.
One can hope, but automaking is a very difficult and capital intensive business.
I’d be even more excited to see Rivian make a competing mail delivery van for USPS since they have an electric delivery van platform (vs vapor from Oshkosh Corp).
@@daves1646The Oshkosh one was sadly more about a corrupt official hooking up his old buddies than a quality offering:
ua-cam.com/video/8iAZaQiXH7s/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared&t=385
I'm sure Rivian could have provided a far superior alternative, something similar to what Amazon already gets from them yes.
Very interesting to see how Charger production increases in the US.
Can you keep an eye on Blink, please?
Wow! I used to drive Gruman made Postal LLV's to deliver mail and they sucked! A big reason was that they were so small for the increasing amount of packages. The Post Office seems to be finally understanding the situation that parcels are the future rather than first class mail by using much bigger vehicles! Good job, USPS!
IIHS saftey rating on driver assist is for saftey, not ability. Presumably minimizing festures gets a higher rating.
Iono about minimizing feature. Seems like IIHS would prefer to maximize the driver attention features that so many people hate. I'm not sure how much that perspective is going to catch on. It's reasonable, to be clear, to criticize rollout of incomplete features. But it's at odds with what customers want, for now.
@@CyrribraeI was thinking more of abilities, the less it does, the less mistakes it makes
Wow, Nissan had trouble selling the Rouge, but then again Toyota and their RAV4 that also has a pretty good hybrid option and everybody else in that class has a hybrid option that Nissan Rouge don't have.
Maybe the public is tired of throw away cvts
The Rivian VAN could end up being the vehicle that saves Rivian and helps it become profitable.
There needs to be a bigger focus on ramping up van sales to UPS, FedEx, USPS, WalMart and other big box stores.
What volume do they need to get to in order to become profitable.
GM should have been extremely aggressive with Canada post given that the bright drop EV vans are made in Ontario
Another great show the Highlander.😊
Merc says they won't achieve parity for a long time, but BMW cfo said parity would be in just a couple more years. Sounds like Merc is playing games.
Some companies are more serious than others on EVs. The laggards will only suffer more and more as the firms with vision start to compound their more ambitious investments.
(looking at you, Toyota)
Ford, you've been a BAD BOY!
Nissan would sell a lot more if they would get rid of their Junk CVT units and either replace them with a chain driven CVT or go back to conventional automatic transmissions instead.
What? You don't like a transmission that drives like a 1950 Buick Dynaflow? lol
With an auto, their cars would get worse fuel economy which is why I think they don’t do it. Cost too of course
The Rogue already uses a chain driven CVT.
@@trenton737 No it’s Belt driven with steel teeth
@@kaseyc5078 I know why they don’t do it but they could…
IIHS makes the same mistake as CR by focusing on babying the driver rather than the performance of the solution. It's irrelevant to the progress of autonomous driving, as systems that reach their safety targets would rely less and less on drivers as "co-pilots" rather than more.
It will be interesting to see how the EV mail trucks do in Canadian cold winners
Probably similar to the 780000 EV's in Norway, just fine
The issue with the Nissan Rogue is it’s a majority of the vehicles you see on a Nissan lot. I am a Maxima and Murano owner. My Murano was defective off the factory line. The rear suspension. It’s obvious you can see the car lean and they have refused to do anything about it. I purchased both cars to have them for the next 10 to 15 years. We don’t plan on buying anything else. In the mean time I am stuck with this defect until I decide to pay out of pocket to fix my rear suspension.
China battery makers: FinDreams is the fully owned subsidiary of BYD automotive that makes BYD vehicle batteries as well as storage and other application batteries
Ford's giant chicken tax .... Ok how is it that a huge fine is being slapped on them now?... any money says they had arrangements with someone high up in imports but then that person had to renege for some reason or another
But what about TASSLA
There's TONS of pent up auto buying demand, but at 2019 prices and interest rates, not the current fake market.
We're waiting for the cheap EVs.
I assume Rivian will sell the drivetrain for a profit
OVER 50 JIGAWATS!!"
I think that was a great choice of story to lead with. And the VW story next.
Kind of lays out the context for what's happening industry wide.
It’s FebRuary!
why didnt Canada just bought rivian vans directly! thats a very poor business decisions to retrofit the already great vehicle.
Rivian vans do not have right hand drive or doors that slide allowing driving with door open. These features make the constant jumping in an out to put mail in roadside mail boxes easier.
A lot of people that I see that by the Nissan rogue by a used version
Wake up there are thousands of abandoned EV’s in China!
Mercedes would like us to believe that "EVs are expensive" rather than "OUR EVs are too expensive" here, as they are struggling to remain competitive on pricing and value compared to leading alternatives it seems.
Hopefully they stop using shared platforms and start actually optimizing their solutions, that way they don't have to use 20 percent more batteries in their packs to make up for this lack of design focus.
Software improvements can help them further, but that may be more difficult until they figure out how to make unified computing platforms rather than string together dozens of third party chips and sensors together from a catalog.
No, EV demand isn't slowing overall. Only the rate of growth of demand is slowing, a bit.
The comments of the Mercedes CEO likely have a straightforward explanation - Mercedes isn't yet ready to produce EVs in high volumes. What is the holdup? All the usual things, I suspect, e.g. soundly designed and cost optimised EV platforms, battery packs, motors and most importantly efficient EV production facilities.
Mercedes imagined they were ready for the EV transition but they have proven to be no more capable in that regard than other Legacy Auto companies.
No why did the US Postal Service do the same thing as the Canadian Postal Service? I mean that seems like it would’ve been better and we wouldn’t have that ugly post van made by Oshkosh.
OMG, the Oshkosh mail truck is hideous. It should be branded as Fisher Price, or better yet, Little Tykes My First Mail Truck 😂
That is a misreport. What was rated was driver monitoring systems, not ADAS systems.
I shudder at the ugliness of the US mail truck.
should have done EV conversions of the Alu Grummans in every state, creating many thousands of jobs for young people, training or retraining in the process
I think they may have found the key to EV acceptance: Make the truck as ugly as an old bread truck from 1960.
Also, I think that's gonna be used for mail in Canada, not the US - so far.
@@rossr6616 No, those things are crap and extremely expensive to maintain. Still have the non-drivetrain bits of those 40 year old trucks to keep going.
Not a looker but that's probably better than the one U.S. got due to Trumps idiot appointee giving his cronies a no bid gov't contract.
i smile at the quietness of the new mail truck
Who designed the Mail truck was under the influence; going all the way on EVs is like heading to bankruptcy
For a fleet mail truck? It makes perfect sense. You can slow charge most of the day. You're idling a lot of the time, with constant stop and go in between. You're not doing road trips in the thing. It's a perfect application for EV vehicles.
I do think the visual design of the mail truck sucks, but that's not that important lol.
@@CyrribraeYou mean charge all night.
@@jamesvandamme7786 what do you mean? The NGDV has 95 kWh. Most routes in the US will only use 20% of the battery each day. Even at level 1 speeds, that's not all night.
The shame, in fact, is that these mail carriers don't have bidirectional charging. Feels like a perfect use case for tons of vehicles that are going offline JUST as the demand curve ramps up.
@@CyrribraeYeah they could probably pay for the USPS just by selling excess battery power in the evenings.
Autoline dude that driver rating system is so WRONG how can you give GM 3 pool but get a rating of M top #2 and Ford has only 1 pool with 4 Green and get a rating of Poor #6 whatever Tesla in #12 and #13 lmao 🤣 whoever did this rating need to go back to school.
Rivian may not be around next year!
Anyone who buys a Mercedes A or B class should be ashamed.
Why?They are amazing!
@@brunoheggli2888 Because the price point is positioned based on the badge.
When you remove the badge, you find that it has the least-impressive quality & tech than a competitor vehicle without the badge premium.
That's why we don't get them in the US.
Legacy auto dealers are a nightmare for legacy auto makers. They gouged customers trying to buy electric vehicles.
Legacy auto dealers abused their customers by adding market price adjustments to gouge their customers for EVs
They added pricey add ons and other costs to pump up the prices and their profits.
Tesla has the right idea. Buy online. No hassle. No sitting in a show room for hours. No salesman BS. No crazy markups.
No I have to see my manager BS. With Tesla you can buy a vehicle in 5 minutes or less online. The dealers have no one to blame but themselves. The dealers are dragging the legacy auto makers down with them. The problem with legacy auto makers having slow sales leads back to the legacy auto dealers. They try to talk people out of buying and EV and want to put them in a gasoline car.
Ford ....the Chicken tax strikes again .
That mail truck must be the ugliest thing ever designed.
Who cares, looks way cheaper than the new US postal truck.
@@steven4315 beauty matters. It makes life better. And designing something beautiful isn't more expensive.
Even uglier than the New Generation Delivery Vehicle (NGDV) that Oshkosh designed for the USPS? oshkoshdefense.com/technology/electrification/
Nope - The Osh Kosh US postal service truck is #1 in ugly anywhere
@@AutolineDetroitYou beat me to it! 🤣
Nissan is going to have a very, very hard time with their EV disregard and ignorance. I don't think they're going to make it.
Nonsense, I currently own a Ariya Venture + and it’s far better then the other brand that starts with a T
I think they have a chance, if they can bring out a good successor to the Leaf.
The new Renault 5 gives them something to work with, perhaps.
Tesla rules now is the time to buy on the dip
If you want to go broke,sure!
Not really…not everyone wants a T or their stock
The Oscar for the most repetitive fanboy comment on this channel goes to...
Broken record, no one wants EV, demand drops, everyone sees it’s more inconvenient to own than an ICE
@@taniabanes4707 doubt that…ev sales last year 50% higher, this year only 23% higher, quit spreading FUD
IIHS Says Partial AV Systems Aren't Good Enough
Glad to see a third party is rating AV systems, the old phrase "follow the money" may have meaning in this situation given insurance companies want to understand how well the systems work. They want to minimize deaths and damage.
Interesting results
Lexus top (part of Toyota) I have read zero hype about this system (Acceptable)
gm is listed in the second group, possibly the work on Cruise has crossed over (Marginal)
Tesla (Autopilot and FSD) was listed as poor, all the hype about the Tesla Robo Taxi's around the corner on one hand then on the other all the deaths and crashes being investigated by NHTSA.
Possibly the IIHS will help get the Telsa "loose cannon" under control.
All manufacturers need to make their systems the best they can be in a safer manner.
ICE are here to stay and don’t give me the horse and buggy usual answer, they would still be here if the alternative had been as crappy as EVs.
EV's will eventually dominate the market for consumer vehicles but it's probably a decade or so away.
I have a Tesla Model Y, and there is nothing "crappy" about how it drives, handles, accelerates, or is finished. Stick to a topic you know something about.
@@eddiegardner8232 Sloppy build quality, poor paint finish, cheap ugly interior and styling resembling a GM Saturn.
@@eddiegardner8232 You seem to have some time to lose defending Tesla as a good fanboy, you must be charging your Y, it takes forever
@@hwirtwirt4500 Please, a Tesla makes any Saturn look good, I would get a used one rather than a Tesla any day, at least I could fill it up in 2 minutes instead of 2 hours
All of the automakers will be expanding their ICE offerings and will be dropping these EV's.....I wouldn't want to own stock in Blink. There's too many public charging stations in the USA now. Fewer and fewer will be needed as EV's come off of the roads.
Wow. I guess you missed the first story of the show, and the second story?
Tesla Fake Self Driving rated second last, at least it's ahead of their build quality which is very last.
IIHS rated Adrian's code "P" for Pathetic!
Because they are doing something unconventional m0r0n
Partial full self driving
Can’t imagine anyone being lower information than @hwirtwirt4500
@@MatrixJockey And doing it a lot worse than all but one.