Primitive Bow Strings. Rawhide vs Sinew vs Modern
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2020
- This is a revisited topic and video I touched on a while back, pitting the sinew, rawhide and modern dacron string against each other. I didn't do due diligence in the previous video so I am here to amend my results!
here is a link to the rawhide bow string tutorial
• How to make a Rawhide ... - Розваги
Never thought I’d hear someone say my 26” draw length was one of the longer ones. Thanks man, my short arm complex is over now!
Used to hunt with a couple guys who had short arms. They both shot old Howard Hill longbows drawing at least 80 pounds at 28. They were deadly on everything from rabbits to squirrels to deer or anything else that walked, swam, or flew. Good hunting.
Compared to my 32 tho....
@@nathanhaylett5435 well, that depends. If you're shooting a 50 pounder at 28 and you're pulling 32 I'd guess you'd be pulling somewhere between 55 to 65 pounds. But what if you've got shorter arms and are pulling an eighty pounder at 28. You wouldnt be pulling the 80 but you'd be pulling about the same poundage with the shorter draw as the long armed guy. Length of pull is a relative thing.
Shorter guys with shorter arms can pull heavier bows.
A (historical, not primitive) material that should perform similar to dacron is linen. Problem is, the string requires more maintenance and will need to be changed more often.
I have the impression that for many natural/primitive materials and tools, the issue (... or the fun...) is not that much in the efficacy, but in the amount of time and knowledge required for building, maintaining and mastering them.
Nice channel, keep up the good job 😉👍
A very underestimated bow string material is the thick polypropylene cord from large hay bales, there are already so many of it in the fields that I already consider it a natural material lol.
to much stretch not to bad twisted but for lite lb bow
@@troymuller2228 The twisted strings have too much stretch, I use only one non twisted thick cord (about 1/4 inch thick) for bows 80-100 lbs strong, no stretch.
@@troymuller2228 Wrong, PP is stiffer and less stretchy than PE, but PE is stronger.
Beautiful, I wish we could bow hunt here in Germany!
Du kannst als Jäger auch hier in Deutschland eine Bogenjägerprüfung beim Deutschen Bogenjagdverband ablegen. In Deutschland darf zwar nicht einfach so mit dem Bogen gejagt werden, aber in angrenzenden Ländern, die Jagdreisen anbieten ist das möglich. Ich kenne ein paar Bogenjäger, regelmäßig in Ungarn jagen.
@@lulustocke8251 Danke, das wäre natürlich was!
@huntprimitive did you by chance see how much each string weighs? Heavier strings take more energy to get moving just as a heavy arrow does. It would be interesting to see the speed comparison between these strings with relative weights also being considered.
Great video. That red on the limbs looks great, what is it? Is it applied on the snake skin?
I use a single strand rawhide string shot 1000s of arrows with it and no problems so far. And im sure its over stressed. Its on a 45" choke cherry plains indian style bow modeld after a soiux bow. Its elk sinew backed. And throws arrows like missles its a very speedy little bow.
@@pinecone3630 yep there is more to it though then just a strip of rawhide. The rawhide is from the centre strip of the back along the spine. Where it is the thickest. The hide was also prepared the old way no chemicals used. As this causes the fibres to break down and weaken the hide.it was twisted while wet under tention and allowed to dry under tention.the hide strip was carefully cut out using a flake of swan river chert. And distal taperd on both ends so the middle of the string is a bit thicker near both the nock stringing ends. Its alot to do for a bow string but no more than flemish twisting a flax string etc by hand and way more durable. I can post a video of it later on my you tube channel if thier is enough interest in it.
@@pinecone3630 fish skin might be a bit thin for a hunting bow. But i do know the neck skin from snapping turtles used to be used by some southern tribes. Like the mandan's along the souris river basin.
So I would like to buy a string for one of my bows I’m trying to make, how should we measure the string length needed for the bow?
I love this channel
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Also like to ask again about the Cherokee method of fletching an arrow. They use two feathers and they're bound in such a way that they resemble four fletches. Have you ever had any experience with this type primitive fletching technique? What are your thoughts on the subject. I've also noticed that the Cherokee used very little hide glue and depended more on pitch glue like you do. They thickened it, I'm told, with ashes and dried powdered deer pellets.
Look up my video on fletching an atlatl. That might be thge fletching style you are talking about. I typically stick with a classic 3 fletch. I have shot a lot of 2 fletch but normally reserve that for my atlatls. I have found 2 fletch arrows a little more temperamental than 3 fletch.
I love me a well made elk back taperd raw hide string.
Where is the taper in the string?
I’m relatively new to primitive hunting just made my first atlatl and darts and have been practicing with it but heard about the Dakota using snapping turtle neck as a bowstring and I’m curious if you have any info as I can’t find much.
That's the first I have heard of that, but it sounds interesting
Its true the mandan tribe of south and north dakota did infact use the skin from snapping turtle necks whennthe turtles could be found in the souris river basin. Snapping turtles in that river can get close to 70 lbs plus. I know personally i have caught them before.
How much of a role does the mass/weight of the string play in fps? It seems like you are focused mostly on the stretch. What I gathered from this is that animal fiber strings stretch more than dacron, but don't animal fiber strings also weigh more?
I suppose, to follow up, it would be interesting to know the weights of the strings in this test, and perhaps do separate tests with each string to analyze stretch. Perhaps hang a weight on the string and see how far it moves?
Good demonstration. I've read some information on string performance between the different materials but had never seen a demonstration. What types of raw hide do you use? Here it's been said that fox squirrel and ground hog make the best and I've also heard or read that the skin of a snapping turtle can pretty much rival dacron.
I have had the best luck with deer rawhide, cut straight down the back. The rawhide from the smaller critters have tough, lower stretch skin but haven't down well for me strength wide when cut into a spiral because the inside curve of the spiral is under more stress than the outside. I much prefer straight cut deer rawhide. It has done really well by me thus far. Equally as good as sinew as you can see in the video.
@@huntprimitive9918 thanks for the reply. Enjoy watching your hunts and skills demonstrations. Wish you much success and good hunting.
Thats true about snapping turtle neck skin but as of today most snapping turtle species are protected.
@@huntprimitive9918 tillering a bow when removing wood from the strong limb .what would make the weak limb bend more
One of the first
Dude I have been trying to make a bow with some standard string. But it keeps snapping man! Do I need to use another material?
yes. Bow strings are under a tremendous amount of tension. Cotton strings or masons twine isn't up to the job
Tests like these are very fascinating- I do have a question as to why you pull a 22 inch draw? Specific advantage to that, perhaps longevity of string and bow life?
Ryan is only 4ft 9in tall
That’s why his draw is so short
@@austinmago212 haha
It's just my style. I grew up shooting traditional without much influence other than my father who quite literally allowed me to shoot an anyway that made me happy just to keep my outside enjoying the outdoors and enjoying archery. It was just the natural way I took to shooting and the best way I know how. I shoot a little more in front of my body with a canted bow and shoot more of a floating anchor.
@@huntprimitive9918 With so many "hard and fast" rules thrown about in the archery threads, it's somewhat surprising to hear that a 22 inch draw takes game- I'm not doubting your skill or even your bows...its just that the indoctrination of 28-31 inch draws are all that I ever hear in person or come across in the internet. I myself was born in the city, and could only wish to have had my childhood in the woods. I make up for that now as an adult living in Michigan, where access to the woods is readily accessible.
@@gabrielramos4179 Yeah, I used to catch a lot of flak from the internet experts on my shooting, saying I would never be successful... those comments slowly but surely went away over the years of showing how this stuff works.
Hi how's it going I like the rattlesnake backed bow
thanks very much. Things are going great
Just curious and mean no harm but why is your draw so short? I've noticed you lean forward a bit when you shoot but so do I and my draw length doesn't seem to change from it much. You appear to be at least average size so I was just wondering if it's just the way you learned to shoot or maybe following a certain style/stance when shooting for nostalgia.
I've noticed he posts videos bowhunting on horseback. It is pretty common to use a shorter bow for that, which would have a shorter draw. That bow he has looks like an Osage bow, when they are compact they don't overdraw very well.
Thanks just my natural style. I am a big advocate for shooting however is most comfortable and this has been the result of a life of shooting in a way that was enjoyable to me. Sort of anthropologically significant in a way as well. A lot of the people in my circle have draw lengths from 18-24 inches and shoot more in front of their body like I do. I think the way I shoot is what likely attracted them to me in the first place because it gave them someone they could relate to.
Preciate the reply, I'm all for shooting however is comfortable was just curious.
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Great video
thanks very much
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I think the English long bow was used with plant based strings because they were more or less water resistant or thus I once read long, long ago. It might have been hemp or linen. I'm confident that many plant based materials would suffice. That includes nettles.
Can u plz send me some chert I’m kind of new to flintknapping
What about finding some where you live?
You should practice on glass bottles.
Isnt glass harder to knap then flint?
However, with the primitive materials, you couldn’t hunt or do battle on a rainy day! The Mongols attacked in all weather also with birchbark coated horn bows to keep dry
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You don't need a fast/strong bow if you get whithin 15m from an animal:)
Well, you need a bow strong enough to pierce through the animal's heart
@@kaikart123 you can kill a big pig with a 20 pound bow... If you don't hit the ribs... Flesh is easy to penetrate
@@cretudavid8622 Your mom is not a pig, you ungrateful child
I really like your videos on primive techniques. I hope you continue making them however (and I hope you don't take this as too negative) I struggle to stay awake after watching few minutes. I'm not sure if it is the tone of your voice, some repetition, or something else that puts me to sleep. I mean this as constructive criticism not to put you down.
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22 is not a full draw