🇦🇺😎👍We don’t have very much if any gun violence in Australia. I’ve never seen anything but I’m sure criminals use gun in their underworld activities. Australia is a peaceful country and always was. As for John Howard prior to the bans Howard was a 32 deg mason and after he secured the bans he got his 33 deg. All the laws were ready in place so it didn’t matter what the people said as the media and the government pushed to ban all semiautomatic firearms. We saw the same with the Covid era . The governments world wide had a mandate to get those MRNA nanotechnology injections into everyone and they were rewarded handsomely. The only sick people in Australia were the people pushing the injections
@@MarkJohnson-ro1edI’d say much worse than that; he went to a gathering in the electorate of the most pro Liberal/National party in the country wearing a bullet proof vest after having given the offer of a $100 to any one with a gun they wanted to give up. Most of those that were rendered were of old rusty pieces of shit that were brought back from European or even the Boar War. The boos were paid for. The ban was on semi automatics which were not even used by farmers. This was an absolute furphy. Even worse than using this atrocity to further his popularity was that he never even hinted at the cause. Bryant the killer was someone with reduced intelligence - enough to make him what we’d once have regarded as ‘The Village Idiot’. But it seemed that the village didn’t like him and when his only friend had also had enough - well he went off. There was never a mention of better resourcing of mental or community services. Successive conservatives governments reduced money from those services and also reduced money from Customs so that they are less able to patrol the importation of guns. I feel that Australians are less safe because of successive Liberal governments
I don’t believe there has been any leadership that has resulted in reduced random deaths as happened in Pt.Arthur. It was a one off episode in a way. I believe that rather like the UK we don’t have that culture. But there are deaths caused by guns and duelling crime gangs, especially in Melbourne. The US is a special case because gun ownership is enshrined in their constitution, because Hollywood movies often depict the gun as an answer to a problem - a culture that also impacts law enforcement. And seeing as how they are a land of small government - it also affects the regulation of who owns a gun and the health and welfare of those that shouldn’t.
I was 15 at the time and living in the outskirts of outer western Sydney and Port Arthur still upsets me. I’m not a fan of John Howard, I think many of the policies he brought in were not in the best interests of regular Australians like myself, but I wholeheartedly stand by this decision. John Howard faced death threats and he and his party stood strong. I strongly admire him for that. My children have never lived in a world where guns are prevalent. The thought of going to the US terrifies them. We literally have a property full of some of the world’s most deadliest creatures, they are not afraid, but the idea of going to America, no way, no how.
It was a pivotal event for a number of reasons, that we had reached an age in technoology where these things could basically be shared live as it happened, that it was evident anyone could get a gun, regardless of mental health issues, that this sort of unprovoked violence could happen in Australia. Anyone who is old enough to remember the Port Arthur Massacre when it happened, will remember that he gunned down two tiny little girls as they ran away from him, they were 6 and 3. It was such a shocking event, it stunned the nation. It was one of the quickest government laws that came into effect, both sides were quick to agree to these laws, and they weren't universally popular, as Howard travelled the country to promote this reform, he had to wear bullet proof vests as very credible threats against him were made. It is something that he is remembered for, especially since his government was right wing, and relied on the country votes to help keep them in power, it was something very unexpected. As an Australian, I think our country has been much better for the laws, and yes, they are trying to relax them in many ways, and gun ownership is on the increase, but we are so far removed from the kind of violence that people in the US suffer every day, they average more than 1 a day, some years it has almost been 2 a day. I can't imagine sending my child to school with a bullet proof backpack and having them endure school shooter drills, hoping the teacher can protect them.
As an Australian - I hated John Howard as Prime Minister - BUT - this is one legislation that he got totally 100% right , I will always give him credit for this - and will respect him for this
Agreed, Howard was one of the most self-serving politicians that Australia has ever produced. The gun control legislation was early in Howard's stint as Prime Minister and I fully supported his government's response to gun violence. I will forever respect his actions and tenacity on this important policy position. However, John Howard went on to be, in my opinion, the most pernicious, weaselly, and deliberately deceitful (some would use a word that begins with a 'L' and ends in 'ing' here) politicians Australia has ever witnessed. When I think of John Howard, I think of a song from Elvis Costello called "Tramp The Dirt Down". Costello wrote it about Margaret Thatcher, but it perfectly encapsulates my feelings for John Howard. However, I do still respect Howard and his Ministers for making Australia better on the gun reform issue. Credit where Credit's due. Just in case you don't know the song I mentioned, here's a link to Costello's live performance of "Tramp The Dirt Down": ua-cam.com/video/K-BZIWSI5UQ/v-deo.html
I’ve never seen a gun before or after Port Arthur. but the Port Arthur shooting did affect me, as it did with so most people. My local chemist was Walter Mickac, I still remember the day I was in the shop and his wife and girls popped in. Alannah and Madeline were very little and Nanette was lovely. I remember Walter’s daughters were so excited to see their daddy at work and I still, after all these years remember the beaming smile on Walter’s face when they entered the shop. I only met them once - once was enough for the massacre to have an impact on me. I cannot completely comprehend at all what families and people at Port Arthur went through. Oh yes we definitely needed gun control. I can’t, and never will understand other countries where school children are shot, and life goes on until another shooting.
@@bernadettelanders7306 Walter Mikac's interview has always brought tears to my eyes. The total devastation he suffered was so evident. I have an 'Alannah & Madeleine' tote bag. In some small way it was supporting the foundation he began in their name.
@ That was a lovely thought buying the tote bag, I can still remember Walter always smiling in the shop when I think of him - but what he went through is totally unthinkable to us.
I have never felt unsafe in Australia. Every election. Some politician likes to frighten people with gun regulations and now they have handed all the powers over to the police and have taken the bureaucracy out of the system so you don’t get a fear hearing everything is wrong with this.
I’m old enough to have seen what was before, and where it was heading, and for all Howard’s fundamentalist conservatism, and its devastating effect on the Country, it was worth putting up with him for the Gun Reforms. Absolutely pivotal in the direction of this Country.
I did not agree with or support John Howard's politics in general but always admired the rapid and definitive action he took with gun control. It was a brave move and showed he cared more for the country than about ruffling some feathers.
Put it this way He was a lousy treasurer before he became PM and his decisions while in Govt have caused the Housing Shortage we have now. Which the rich blame on too many migrants - not them
Howard had the best treasurer going, Peter Costello. When Labor came in Howard left them with a giant surplus which did not take the useless Labor government long to spend and then overspend as usual.
Hear hear! Where I lived we had 32% youth unemployment and for girls - who knows maybe 50%. Inflation was about 17%. We wore rags. They had no idea, no credentials - rather like what’s his name …. Angus Taylor the know nothing rich fk whose best study was the conservatives playbook.
@@bettymarshall2702Did he indeed. Only thanks to the Chinese who went on a spending spree on iron ore. No thanks to the $5000 he gave to Meth addicts for each child they had and obviously they bonked on and the results on that weren’t paid for!
@@bettymarshall2702 Literally one of the worst treasurers. Also one of the highest taxing governments, under Morrison. Best treasurer based on economic rankings in the OECD was Wayne Swan.
I had been in the Army for a year when this law was introduced, and I was all for it. We used to do long 15-20km combat pack march training (Larrakeyah, Darwin) so we used to march off base on civilian streets, mind you we'd start at around 4am, but used to carry our real issued weapons (the F88, whatever variant), definitely unloaded of course lol, the boss would also let the local cops know when/where etc since we had our weapons in public, but over time to comply with local rules, and more so, not to scare the public unnecessarily we started using bright orange mock weapons, just a mold, no working parts whatsoever of equal weight, so civilians could see from a distance that they're just mock weapons and not real. A lot of politicians burned their careers supporting this legislation and to this day, they wouldn't have done anything different no matter the consequences. We don't need an amendment in our constitution to fight against the government if the government launches the Military against its people and if it ever did, something has gone terribly wrong. However, with all this antisemitism bullshit and with inviting the wrong people into the Country through weak bullshit immigration laws, we may, honestly, not be far away from that sort of action moving forward.
Unfortunately, he later made a big mistake with many Aussie workers' rights that got him voted out. His policy was called Work Choices, and it stripped a lot of employees of their rights. Employers could make them work terrible hours and fire them at will, etc. People started calling him Johnny Howard, like he was a spoilt little rich boy after that. His political party lost the following election by a landslide. The new prime minister and his party got rid of that Work Choices policy of his.
@@larissahorne9991 Wasn’t it Little Johnny tho we called him? Not PC, but it did encapsulate the little man who got power and then put his much too big boots on to stamp out everything he hated.
@@larissahorne9991 when I was a volunteer at the Sydney Olympics, a teammate wanted a photo with him, taken by me. I had to call out to him to look my way. I felt ill LOL
The types are guns you can buy has changed and licensing is strict as with gun storage, but there will always be violence sadly. I do feel safer here and in the UK and I Ireland when I lived there. I wouldn't own a gun myself and I don't live where I'm in danger of anything, other than Eastern Brown snakes XD Thank you for yet another classic vid, Mate.
In Australia you need a reason to own a firearm a lot of these guns were not banned their ownership was restricted ie you have to have a valid reason to own them.
I've seen people make their own firearms. Gunpowder is easy to make. We made gunpowder in high school. Potassium nitrate, sulfur and charcoal. Crush the charcoal. Potassium nitrate you can make. Criminals seem to like knives now. So...it didn't work.
The narrator isn’t Australian, so I guess that’s why they called it an experiment. It was no experiment! It was a massive change in the Laws. The US newsreader was Bryant Gumbel.
I think it could technically be considered an experiment, as it was quite an unknown outcome, having really set a precedent for other countries to track and consider for themselves, but in saying that, I do hate the phrase "gun control experiment"
There was a general consensus amongst the population of Australia that we needed to do something about gun laws. I was a witness to a workplace of mine being entered by a man with a rifle and he robbed the safe at gunpoint in 1985. He spoke to me first before entering, and when I was questioned by staff members, I was to scared to speak or tell them I had spoken to the guy before he robbed my workplace.😢 I was only 17 at the time with a slight intellectual disability. To this day we still think the gun laws we have are what is best for Australia. Only criminals and conspiracy nuts complain about our gun laws.
Please note that Australians never say the name of the Port Arthur gunman as they do not want to give him notoriety. It was very disrespectful of the original video to not only name him but show his image.
If I remember correctly, John Howard was not a very well received prime minister back in 1996. The working class suffered under his leadership, big business thrived..and also I think this was around the time the GST(Government Service Tax) was brought in. I remember some of my family that had previously voted for the Liberal party were now considering voting for the Labor party, I had no interest in politics being so young at the time I am just going by memory here. You get your good and bad with any politician. I believe the gun laws were a good decision, most crimes committed on this scale(mass murder) begin from a background consisting of a slew of mental health issues and failure to recognize such things. Control the guns, and it makes it harder for the wrong people to get their hands on them. If I had access to a firearm, I don't think there is one occasion in my life where I would have needed it. As always another amazing video, you express yourself well. I find it admirable that you are seeking to learn about us over here.
I never voted for Howard, but in hindsight he was the right man for the job. His legacy will be these gun reforms and a substantial tax reform as well. I think most people can appreciate how much risk he took, standing up to the pressure from his own party and supporters, to get the job done. As a shooter myself I think that we have a good balance of access and of protection. It is difficult to get and keep firearms, but that is how it should be.
"It is difficult to get and keep firearms". Outside of semi-automatic weapons , its not 'difficult' to get a 'firearm licence'. There are more guns owned now than in 1997.
@@Michael-r1x5h It's "difficult" comparatively. A firearms licence is only the first part of the story. You also need a valid reason. For most people that is either hunting or sports shooting, requiring either an approved hunting permit or a current club membership. You also need to have a gun safe to keep a gun, which is checked by the police randomly, before you even consider buying a gun. Finally you need an approved permit to acquire a firearm. Once those prerequisites are met only THEN are you allowed to own a gun. Keeping your licence also requires you to sit for a firearms safety course each time you renew it, and you can never have one if you have any history of violence or serious mental illness. On top of that there are different licence categories for different guns. The most common is a CatA&B licence which allows you to shoot rifles and shotguns with low capacity magazines, but not semi automatic (or pump action shotguns). Pistol licences are much rarer, as are CatC/D licences which are far more difficult to get and keep. So, while it is true that there are more guns now than there were, the guns that there are now are in more responsible hands and are typically of a type which is slower to fire and of limited ammunition capacity. Are they still dangerous? Absolutely yes, but the laws work... as evidenced by the last 30 years.
@@bettymarshall2702 That's a straight up falsity. He destroyed worker's rights, hid war crimes, illegally spied on underdeveloped foreign governments to exploit their resources, and it was revealed that the "Howard-Costello government rejected a 2004 recommendation from that bastion of left-wing thinking, the Productivity Commission, for a review of property tax treatments due to concerns about a surge in house prices shows just how derelict it and successive governments have been on arguably the most significant factor in national living standards."
What do you think a country, not obsessed with guns would do. Guns are needed by farmers and certain law enforcement agencies. It is not rocket science
When considering the statement that the number of guns in Australia are similar to the number in 1996 (actually almost 4 million now) needs to be taken in the context of the population, which was 18 million in 1996 and 27 million now, so one per 5.6 people in 1996 and one per 6.8 now. Still concerning, though.
@ yes. There are far fewer semi-automatics now because you need a special licence and you have to prove that you can't do the task with a less restricted gun. I would very much like to see the 90s/now comparative stats on those.
I can't imagine what Australia would be like if we didn't get gun control . I'm not really political at all but John Howard was a pretty damn good prime minister .
He was a terrible prime minister, his action are still causing problems today in many areas. He lost his own seat. But he did do good with the gun buy back.
@@troy8979 You’re in good company because almost everyone who thinks he was a good prime minister is also someone who pays little attention to politics.
During the buyback, there was also a moratorium, where you could drop off any gun at a police station with no questions asked and no forensics done on the gun before it was destroyed. The aim was to take illegal guns or guns that had been used illegally out of circulation above the goal of solving crime. I believe quite a number were surrendered under this system. Criminals definitely could have peace of mind that the gun no longer existed as forensic evidence against them, via unique bullet casing scratch patterns when fired. In return, handguns that are much more easily concealed definitely became much more expensive and difficult to aquire outside of sporting clubs, and I don’t think you can take those home unless you are a registered sport shooter for the Olympics etc. Back in the 90s there was only one Australian with a registered, legal laser gun for example. Farmers and rural folk were always the biggest users of shotguns and rifles, and they were PISSED thinking they’d lose them. However all that happened for them was having to get used to a 30 day waitlist between ordering and acquiring new guns they needed to shoot dangerous feral animals, or sadly put down injured horses (who still can’t survive if they can’t put all four feet on the ground). Culling Kangaroos is absolutely the kindest way to manage their boom-bust populations that collectively starve to death during our regular droughts. It’s extremely important to kangaroo welfare that a large regular market for their meat is established, to even out their populations before drought years. They get to live free wild lives before they are hunted down. I know the hunts are scary for them, and they’re so fast you can’t guarantee a kill shot first try, but if you lived through the heartwrenching deaths of multiple millions of kangaroos dying as skin over bones skellingtons during the 1980s megadrought, dead and dying kangaroos as far as your eyes can see in every direction on flat bare cracked earth plains, then you eat kangaroo semiregularly. I eat them as mini meat stick (drowërs) snacks almost every day. Probably the only problem in losing semiautomatics for farmers was it being somewhat harder to drop feral pigs and water buffalo (both highly dangerous to humans and our fragile ecosystems. Basically culling them requires sharpshooting skills with a rifle from a helicopter now. I regard John Howard as well as George W Bush and Tony Blair as War Criminals for sneering in the face of the Geneva Convention, and torturing POWs from Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11. They completely subverted the term Illegal Enemy Combatant which is a status given an escaping POW for a brief few hours after fleeing, turning it into a long term status the Geneva Convention never allowed. Not only POWs were detained in illegal torture conditions, and also actively tortured, but civilians suspected of terrorism, or aiding the enemy in Afghanistan, Iraq, the USA, Australia, Britain etc were illegally taken to Cuba and to ships in international waters, indefinitely illegally detained for decades on end, and illegally tortured. Their illegal kidknapping was bowdlerised as ‘Rendition’. All that to say (and then there was the “Children Overboard complete misrepresentation by John Howard, and illegal treatment of refugees) is that I LOATHE John Howard, but respect his response to the Port Arthur massacre. Yes I feel very safe in Australia.
@@OnehungLoweThe police were honestly surprised how much the anonymous drop boxes for guns were used. Everyone else gave the guns in over the counter at police stations and got compensation money from the government.
Yet you still have gun violence, mass shootings and mass stabbings that actually kill more than over 90% of our "mass shootings" annually. Congratulations.
The short answer is that the experiment failed. We know this because the already declining firearm homicide rate continued to decline at the same rate after the laws were introduced as they had over the 16 years prior (Aust institute of criminology data) - the existing trend was not altered one iota. If firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens were the problem, the firearm homicide rate would have plummeted in 1997, after the laws were introduced. It didn't. All it did was remove a freedom, destroy an industry, cause an explosion of feral pests and make a lot of firearms that were not handed in very valuable when sold to criminals (it also directly transferred around 1000 handguns, that were handed in, into the NSW criminal community). But, on the other hand, it has absolutely demonstrated that a lie often repeated will be considered the truth. most Australians believe it worked. And for those who see no reason for civilians to own firearms, I refer you to the behaviour of Australian Govts during Covid.
Yer lots of misconceptions about Australian gun laws… I have a Cat-D license so I have an AR for feral pest control! Own 9 guns in total one is a 308 and you’re right it’s not rapid fire it’s a bolt action lol silly video! Basically you apply for a licence at the police station and if you pass a background you sit a firearm safety course and it’s that easy to get a gun 👍 and we actually love them here… just not the woke city types that have the loudest opinions lol
Its all about the mass attitude. How we perceive things and what we are willing to do to help. Basically, Australians have a " for the greater good for everyone" attitude. Like with Covid, the govt said do this, 97% would follow the guidelines given by the govt. A very few refused to get vaccinated and some were very much ostracized for not following and would be berated in the streets if not masked up. With America. They are very self righteous about everything.and follow their million commandments with everything and to get out if every thing bad. Theyre arrested for being drunk, out comes some commandment to get out of getting arrested. We aussies just accept it. We were in the wrong, ok we'll have to suffer the consequences. We conform easily for the whole society, and agree most of the time. Everyone hated Howard and his strict ways. But now looking back we actually applaud him for being so steadfast and having such guts. And he was 100% right in many things he did.
It didn't work. Criminals didn't hand in their guns, and there are now more in Aus than before. Source: me - I handed in one (which I didn't want anyway) and was paid enough for it to buy three (which I still use).
As an Australian living through the pre gun rules reforms, I feel no more or less safe. I agree with the changes however we never had a gun culture like the USA. Like the UK we value life more than property. Mind you, as we become more and more americanised things have changed .... somehow the use of guns toady, especially in the criminal culture is now more common than at any time.
Mate, there's lot's of poor takes on this from normies who have no idea about the real world. Guns are everywhere, and most of them are in the hands of gangsters, dealers, and those in the illegal tobacco trade.
It didn’t. There are daily gangland shootings in Sydney and criminals know that their victims cannot physically or legally defend themselves but are forced to cower in fear lest they be called racist! The disarmament of the law abiding Australian people is one of the worst acts of the government against the citizenry.
So we should be USA 2.0 with weekly to monthly mass shootings in schools, hospitals and supermarkets due to easy access to buying guns? The criminals with guns in Sydney most likely obtained those guns via the black market, or stole them from somewhere. Also, if I have to defend myself I will, if I’m called racist? because of that, then that’s beyond stupid.
I guess it is still democracy even when voters are stupid. He had the China boom - the one that Keating diplomacy made possible. End of. He had nothing else. The worst thing he did was to strip the public service - of money yes but worse he stripped them of their work to provide independent advice to government. He sacked most of the heads of government departments that had earned their job by working their way up thru the system and he replaced them by instituting his own lackeys who sacked people they didn’t like and then went on to hire one of the Big4 multinational accountancy firms to do the work at 3 times the cost in order to deliver the exact conclusions re public policy that the Howard government had wanted. Obviously those accountancy firms rewarded the Liberal Party for their support. Is that the kind of thing that you like?
In case you didn’t know, we are warming up for a federal election here in Australia. If you catch any other content that might excite our massively ignorant local torries, then bring it on - even if minds can’t be changed, fun can be had.
@@KaylovesKats tbf, I agree with the semi-auto policy. If you can't reasonably make a clean kill with one shot, you should not attempt it. Semi-auto is overkill.
We are being overrun with crime in Australia now. How do you protect yourself especially small business? There are bad guys everywhere with guns. Woman shot in the back a couple of days ago. Terrorist attack predicted. What do you do if they break into your house? All we can do is either pray or hope cops save us in time.
Petty crime is increasing because poverty is increasing. There aren't "bad guys everywhere" with guns, and the terrorist attack risk is high because of the rise of ultra-right cookers - who, incidentally are more likely to want guns.
@@jessbellis9510 If they haven't got guns they use knives or machetes. Poverty increasing because of bad government decisions. Too many "different' people have been brought into Australia en masse.
I imagine no matter where you are in the world you can get firearms if you know the right people and have the cash? We now have people using cars to plough down innocent people shopping etc. so I guess I’m just saying where there’s a will there’s a way. I’ve never felt unsafe either way. I refuse to live in fear. Thx for providing a really cool channel mate 😊
I’m going to say this which has been said millions of times before. It’s not a success and I’m fact anyone who has seen the results first hand will tell you that it’s been a disaster. I’m tired of having to hammer down this point over and over again. The rate of gun deaths whether it’s homicide, suicide and accidents were on a downward decline since the 1970’s and the gun laws made zero impact on the trajectory. In fact we saw a spike in gun deaths in the early 2000’s. It’s also false that it’s prevented mass shootings as we have seen numerous shootings that have taken place in recent years including the Margaret river shooting in Western Australia, the Darwin shooting in the Northern Territory just to name a few. We didn’t see school shootings until 2002 with the Monash University shooting that led to the confiscation of hundreds of handguns and the tightening of handgun laws. The people who are recommending this to you are sending you a bunch of lies and propaganda. These people refuse to dialogue with gun owners who have to bear the burden of these laws and are denied a say in the matter. If you want to actually know what the laws are and what the results have been I would recommend you go to Ozzie reviews.
Ok sure lol your the one spreading lies and propaganda go to america then if you don't like it here australia doesn't want ignorant people like you gun control has worked your just spread propaganda because you have a sad miserable life
@ firstly I’m from NSW. Second I’ve read all the actual firearms laws and the numerous studies into the results of these gun laws including the Australian institute of criminology and the one done by Melbourne University as well as numerous academics like don wetherburn and dr samara mcphederon who have pointed out the the laws have made no impact on gun deaths in Australia.
HEY MATT... Happy New Year to you and your loved ones. Aussies luv ya. Keep it up. Cheers man.
🇦🇺😎👍We don’t have very much if any gun violence in Australia. I’ve never seen anything but I’m sure criminals use gun in their underworld activities. Australia is a peaceful country and always was. As for John Howard prior to the bans Howard was a 32 deg mason and after he secured the bans he got his 33 deg. All the laws were ready in place so it didn’t matter what the people said as the media and the government pushed to ban all semiautomatic firearms. We saw the same with the Covid era . The governments world wide had a mandate to get those MRNA nanotechnology injections into everyone and they were rewarded handsomely. The only sick people in Australia were the people pushing the injections
John Oliver made a great documentary bout gun control worth a look at.🇦🇺
YES. React to the 3 part series!
John howard was wearing body armour at that event. Fair enough.
Considering that the only guns at that event were in the hands of the AFP, it showed his cowardice and the distain he held for the average person.
@@MarkJohnson-ro1edI’d say much worse than that; he went to a gathering in the electorate of the most pro Liberal/National party in the country wearing a bullet proof vest after having given the offer of a $100 to any one with a gun they wanted to give up. Most of those that were rendered were of old rusty pieces of shit that were brought back from European or even the Boar War. The boos were paid for. The ban was on semi automatics which were not even used by farmers. This was an absolute furphy.
Even worse than using this atrocity to further his popularity was that he never even hinted at the cause. Bryant the killer was someone with reduced intelligence - enough to make him what we’d once have regarded as ‘The Village Idiot’. But it seemed that the village didn’t like him and when his only friend had also had enough - well he went off. There was never a mention of better resourcing of mental or community services.
Successive conservatives governments reduced money from those services and also reduced money from Customs so that they are less able to patrol the importation of guns.
I feel that Australians are less safe because of successive Liberal governments
I don’t believe there has been any leadership that has resulted in reduced random deaths as happened in Pt.Arthur. It was a one off episode in a way. I believe that rather like the UK we don’t have that culture. But there are deaths caused by guns and duelling crime gangs, especially in Melbourne.
The US is a special case because gun ownership is enshrined in their constitution, because Hollywood movies often depict the gun as an answer to a problem - a culture that also impacts law enforcement. And seeing as how they are a land of small government - it also affects the regulation of who owns a gun and the health and welfare of those that shouldn’t.
@@kathyconway5327 and the "crime gangs" can still get guns 🤔🤔
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Of course they can. But we aren’t scared or even think that we have neighbours owning guns. It never enters my head.
I was 15 at the time and living in the outskirts of outer western Sydney and Port Arthur still upsets me. I’m not a fan of John Howard, I think many of the policies he brought in were not in the best interests of regular Australians like myself, but I wholeheartedly stand by this decision. John Howard faced death threats and he and his party stood strong. I strongly admire him for that. My children have never lived in a world where guns are prevalent. The thought of going to the US terrifies them. We literally have a property full of some of the world’s most deadliest creatures, they are not afraid, but the idea of going to America, no way, no how.
It was a pivotal event for a number of reasons, that we had reached an age in technoology where these things could basically be shared live as it happened, that it was evident anyone could get a gun, regardless of mental health issues, that this sort of unprovoked violence could happen in Australia. Anyone who is old enough to remember the Port Arthur Massacre when it happened, will remember that he gunned down two tiny little girls as they ran away from him, they were 6 and 3. It was such a shocking event, it stunned the nation.
It was one of the quickest government laws that came into effect, both sides were quick to agree to these laws, and they weren't universally popular, as Howard travelled the country to promote this reform, he had to wear bullet proof vests as very credible threats against him were made. It is something that he is remembered for, especially since his government was right wing, and relied on the country votes to help keep them in power, it was something very unexpected.
As an Australian, I think our country has been much better for the laws, and yes, they are trying to relax them in many ways, and gun ownership is on the increase, but we are so far removed from the kind of violence that people in the US suffer every day, they average more than 1 a day, some years it has almost been 2 a day. I can't imagine sending my child to school with a bullet proof backpack and having them endure school shooter drills, hoping the teacher can protect them.
As an Australian - I hated John Howard as Prime Minister - BUT - this is one legislation that he got totally 100% right , I will always give him credit for this - and will respect him for this
Agreed, Howard was one of the most self-serving politicians that Australia has ever produced. The gun control legislation was early in Howard's stint as Prime Minister and I fully supported his government's response to gun violence. I will forever respect his actions and tenacity on this important policy position. However, John Howard went on to be, in my opinion, the most pernicious, weaselly, and deliberately deceitful (some would use a word that begins with a 'L' and ends in 'ing' here) politicians Australia has ever witnessed.
When I think of John Howard, I think of a song from Elvis Costello called "Tramp The Dirt Down". Costello wrote it about Margaret Thatcher, but it perfectly encapsulates my feelings for John Howard. However, I do still respect Howard and his Ministers for making Australia better on the gun reform issue. Credit where Credit's due.
Just in case you don't know the song I mentioned, here's a link to Costello's live performance of "Tramp The Dirt Down": ua-cam.com/video/K-BZIWSI5UQ/v-deo.html
Agree, John Howard was a liar and now we’re paying the price for it
It wasn't 'one legislation'. It had to be separate legislation for each State and Territory.
That's because you are like alot of Australians a city boy with no balls
I have never felt unsafe before and after
I’ve never seen a gun before or after Port Arthur. but the Port Arthur shooting did affect me, as it did with so most people. My local chemist was Walter Mickac, I still remember the day I was in the shop and his wife and girls popped in. Alannah and Madeline were very little and Nanette was lovely. I remember Walter’s daughters were so excited to see their daddy at work and I still, after all these years remember the beaming smile on Walter’s face when they entered the shop. I only met them once - once was enough for the massacre to have an impact on me. I cannot completely comprehend at all what families and people at Port Arthur went through. Oh yes we definitely needed gun control. I can’t, and never will understand other countries where school children are shot, and life goes on until another shooting.
@@bernadettelanders7306 Walter Mikac's interview has always brought tears to my eyes. The total devastation he suffered was so evident. I have an 'Alannah & Madeleine' tote bag. In some small way it was supporting the foundation he began in their name.
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That was a lovely thought buying the tote bag, I can still remember Walter always smiling in the shop when I think of him - but what he went through is totally unthinkable to us.
I have never felt unsafe in Australia. Every election. Some politician likes to frighten people with gun regulations and now they have handed all the powers over to the police and have taken the bureaucracy out of the system so you don’t get a fear hearing everything is wrong with this.
I’m old enough to have seen what was before, and where it was heading, and for all Howard’s fundamentalist conservatism, and its devastating effect on the Country, it was worth putting up with him for the Gun Reforms. Absolutely pivotal in the direction of this Country.
I did not agree with or support John Howard's politics in general but always admired the rapid and definitive action he took with gun control. It was a brave move and showed he cared more for the country than about ruffling some feathers.
Agree 100%
Even Bob Hawke praised him for that, and they had always been bitter rivals in the past
Put it this way He was a lousy treasurer before he became PM and his decisions while in Govt have caused the Housing Shortage we have now. Which the rich blame on too many migrants - not them
Howard had the best treasurer going, Peter Costello. When Labor came in Howard left them with a giant surplus which did not take the useless Labor government long to spend and then overspend as usual.
@@bettymarshall2702hahaha
Hear hear! Where I lived we had 32% youth unemployment and for girls - who knows maybe 50%. Inflation was about 17%. We wore rags. They had no idea, no credentials - rather like what’s his name …. Angus Taylor the know nothing rich fk whose best study was the conservatives playbook.
@@bettymarshall2702Did he indeed. Only thanks to the Chinese who went on a spending spree on iron ore. No thanks to the $5000 he gave to Meth addicts for each child they had and obviously they bonked on and the results on that weren’t paid for!
@@bettymarshall2702 Literally one of the worst treasurers. Also one of the highest taxing governments, under Morrison. Best treasurer based on economic rankings in the OECD was Wayne Swan.
I had been in the Army for a year when this law was introduced, and I was all for it. We used to do long 15-20km combat pack march training (Larrakeyah, Darwin) so we used to march off base on civilian streets, mind you we'd start at around 4am, but used to carry our real issued weapons (the F88, whatever variant), definitely unloaded of course lol, the boss would also let the local cops know when/where etc since we had our weapons in public, but over time to comply with local rules, and more so, not to scare the public unnecessarily we started using bright orange mock weapons, just a mold, no working parts whatsoever of equal weight, so civilians could see from a distance that they're just mock weapons and not real. A lot of politicians burned their careers supporting this legislation and to this day, they wouldn't have done anything different no matter the consequences.
We don't need an amendment in our constitution to fight against the government if the government launches the Military against its people and if it ever did, something has gone terribly wrong. However, with all this antisemitism bullshit and with inviting the wrong people into the Country through weak bullshit immigration laws, we may, honestly, not be far away from that sort of action moving forward.
It wasn't " this law". It was "those laws". Each State and Territory individually had to legislate.
@@Michael-r1x5h Each State and Territory had legislate 'This Law' lol...whatever mate!
Unfortunately, he later made a big mistake with many Aussie workers' rights that got him voted out. His policy was called Work Choices, and it stripped a lot of employees of their rights. Employers could make them work terrible hours and fire them at will, etc. People started calling him Johnny Howard, like he was a spoilt little rich boy after that. His political party lost the following election by a landslide. The new prime minister and his party got rid of that Work Choices policy of his.
I remember work choices
I was in the protest march in Sydney . Thousands of us. I wish I had kept my t-shirt lol
@@larissahorne9991 Wasn’t it Little Johnny tho we called him? Not PC, but it did encapsulate the little man who got power and then put his much too big boots on to stamp out everything he hated.
He was generally shit, except for the gun control.
@@larissahorne9991 when I was a volunteer at the Sydney Olympics, a teammate wanted a photo with him, taken by me. I had to call out to him to look my way. I felt ill LOL
The types are guns you can buy has changed and licensing is strict as with gun storage, but there will always be violence sadly. I do feel safer here and in the UK and I Ireland when I lived there. I wouldn't own a gun myself and I don't live where I'm in danger of anything, other than Eastern Brown snakes XD Thank you for yet another classic vid, Mate.
In Australia you need a reason to own a firearm a lot of these guns were not banned their ownership was restricted ie you have to have a valid reason to own them.
I've seen people make their own firearms. Gunpowder is easy to make. We made gunpowder in high school. Potassium nitrate, sulfur and charcoal. Crush the charcoal. Potassium nitrate you can make. Criminals seem to like knives now. So...it didn't work.
The narrator isn’t Australian, so I guess that’s why they called it an experiment. It was no experiment! It was a massive change in the Laws. The US newsreader was Bryant Gumbel.
I think it could technically be considered an experiment, as it was quite an unknown outcome, having really set a precedent for other countries to track and consider for themselves, but in saying that, I do hate the phrase "gun control experiment"
Maximum freedom but pay maximum penalty if you break the law.Remember the PEOPLE are in charge..Not government..
I'm 85 I've never been in danger of loosing my life through violence. Stupidity maybe. The population has gone up about 20 million since the 1990s.
... about 10 million, but I see your point.
In South Aust you cant even have those paint ball guns ,that are realistically looking .
@@Rusty_Gold85 yeah, and you have to register your Nerf gun woke🙄
@@firebrand2619 they are too similar to real guns so it isnt woke .It stops hold ups and robberies which is not woke
Severely dislike John Howard's politics, but this was an exception.
No about people who think you need a gun in ur house to protect yourselves.
There was a general consensus amongst the population of Australia that we needed to do something about gun laws.
I was a witness to a workplace of mine being entered by a man with a rifle and he robbed the safe at gunpoint in 1985.
He spoke to me first before entering, and when I was questioned by staff members, I was to scared to speak or tell them I had spoken to the guy before he robbed my workplace.😢
I was only 17 at the time with a slight intellectual disability.
To this day we still think the gun laws we have are what is best for Australia.
Only criminals and conspiracy nuts complain about our gun laws.
Exactly. Cookers who have had their brain rotted by Murdoch media and RWNJ forums should quit complaining and just move to the USA.
Please note that Australians never say the name of the Port Arthur gunman as they do not want to give him notoriety. It was very disrespectful of the original video to not only name him but show his image.
After Port Arthur
If I remember correctly, John Howard was not a very well received prime minister back in 1996. The working class suffered under his leadership, big business thrived..and also I think this was around the time the GST(Government Service Tax) was brought in. I remember some of my family that had previously voted for the Liberal party were now considering voting for the Labor party, I had no interest in politics being so young at the time I am just going by memory here.
You get your good and bad with any politician.
I believe the gun laws were a good decision, most crimes committed on this scale(mass murder) begin from a background consisting of a slew of mental health issues and failure to recognize such things.
Control the guns, and it makes it harder for the wrong people to get their hands on them. If I had access to a firearm, I don't think there is one occasion in my life where I would have needed it.
As always another amazing video, you express yourself well. I find it admirable that you are seeking to learn about us over here.
GST = Goods and Services Tax. It is a tax on almost all goods (exceptions for some essential foods) and services
I never voted for Howard, but in hindsight he was the right man for the job. His legacy will be these gun reforms and a substantial tax reform as well. I think most people can appreciate how much risk he took, standing up to the pressure from his own party and supporters, to get the job done. As a shooter myself I think that we have a good balance of access and of protection. It is difficult to get and keep firearms, but that is how it should be.
"It is difficult to get and keep firearms". Outside of semi-automatic weapons , its not 'difficult' to get a 'firearm licence'. There are more guns owned now than in 1997.
@@Michael-r1x5h It's "difficult" comparatively. A firearms licence is only the first part of the story. You also need a valid reason. For most people that is either hunting or sports shooting, requiring either an approved hunting permit or a current club membership. You also need to have a gun safe to keep a gun, which is checked by the police randomly, before you even consider buying a gun. Finally you need an approved permit to acquire a firearm. Once those prerequisites are met only THEN are you allowed to own a gun. Keeping your licence also requires you to sit for a firearms safety course each time you renew it, and you can never have one if you have any history of violence or serious mental illness. On top of that there are different licence categories for different guns. The most common is a CatA&B licence which allows you to shoot rifles and shotguns with low capacity magazines, but not semi automatic (or pump action shotguns). Pistol licences are much rarer, as are CatC/D licences which are far more difficult to get and keep. So, while it is true that there are more guns now than there were, the guns that there are now are in more responsible hands and are typically of a type which is slower to fire and of limited ammunition capacity. Are they still dangerous? Absolutely yes, but the laws work... as evidenced by the last 30 years.
The only good thing Howard did. Otherwise a dreadful PM for workers and refugees , housing etc
Rot. Best prime minister in Oz history.
@@bettymarshall2702lol well-known as worst along with Abbott and I doubt the statistics agree with your rant
@@bettymarshall2702 That's a straight up falsity. He destroyed worker's rights, hid war crimes, illegally spied on underdeveloped foreign governments to exploit their resources, and it was revealed that the "Howard-Costello government rejected a 2004 recommendation from that bastion of left-wing thinking, the Productivity Commission, for a review of property tax treatments due to concerns about a surge in house prices shows just how derelict it and successive governments have been on arguably the most significant factor in national living standards."
It works.
What do you think a country, not obsessed with guns would do.
Guns are needed by farmers and certain law enforcement agencies.
It is not rocket science
When considering the statement that the number of guns in Australia are similar to the number in 1996 (actually almost 4 million now) needs to be taken in the context of the population, which was 18 million in 1996 and 27 million now, so one per 5.6 people in 1996 and one per 6.8 now. Still concerning, though.
Yes. And there were far more farmers back then as well. The data for semi automatic weapons would be the thing to watch for.
@ yes. There are far fewer semi-automatics now because you need a special licence and you have to prove that you can't do the task with a less restricted gun. I would very much like to see the 90s/now comparative stats on those.
Im not into politics but australians need great politician like john howard ,as a country we owe him so much for Australia's gun reform
I can't imagine what Australia would be like if we didn't get gun control .
I'm not really political at all but John Howard was a pretty damn good prime minister .
He was a terrible prime minister, his action are still causing problems today in many areas. He lost his own seat. But he did do good with the gun buy back.
More licenced fire arm owners now than there was then ,gun control does not control gun crime because you won't stop criminals getting guns
@@troy8979 You’re in good company because almost everyone who thinks he was a good prime minister is also someone who pays little attention to politics.
You have to consider the population difference
During the buyback, there was also a moratorium, where you could drop off any gun at a police station with no questions asked and no forensics done on the gun before it was destroyed. The aim was to take illegal guns or guns that had been used illegally out of circulation above the goal of solving crime. I believe quite a number were surrendered under this system. Criminals definitely could have peace of mind that the gun no longer existed as forensic evidence against them, via unique bullet casing scratch patterns when fired. In return, handguns that are much more easily concealed definitely became much more expensive and difficult to aquire outside of sporting clubs, and I don’t think you can take those home unless you are a registered sport shooter for the Olympics etc.
Back in the 90s there was only one Australian with a registered, legal laser gun for example.
Farmers and rural folk were always the biggest users of shotguns and rifles, and they were PISSED thinking they’d lose them. However all that happened for them was having to get used to a 30 day waitlist between ordering and acquiring new guns they needed to shoot dangerous feral animals, or sadly put down injured horses (who still can’t survive if they can’t put all four feet on the ground). Culling Kangaroos is absolutely the kindest way to manage their boom-bust populations that collectively starve to death during our regular droughts. It’s extremely important to kangaroo welfare that a large regular market for their meat is established, to even out their populations before drought years. They get to live free wild lives before they are hunted down. I know the hunts are scary for them, and they’re so fast you can’t guarantee a kill shot first try, but if you lived through the heartwrenching deaths of multiple millions of kangaroos dying as skin over bones skellingtons during the 1980s megadrought, dead and dying kangaroos as far as your eyes can see in every direction on flat bare cracked earth plains, then you eat kangaroo semiregularly.
I eat them as mini meat stick (drowërs) snacks almost every day.
Probably the only problem in losing semiautomatics for farmers was it being somewhat harder to drop feral pigs and water buffalo (both highly dangerous to humans and our fragile ecosystems. Basically culling them requires sharpshooting skills with a rifle from a helicopter now.
I regard John Howard as well as George W Bush and Tony Blair as War Criminals for sneering in the face of the Geneva Convention, and torturing POWs from Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11. They completely subverted the term Illegal Enemy Combatant which is a status given an escaping POW for a brief few hours after fleeing, turning it into a long term status the Geneva Convention never allowed. Not only POWs were detained in illegal torture conditions, and also actively tortured, but civilians suspected of terrorism, or aiding the enemy in Afghanistan, Iraq, the USA, Australia, Britain etc were illegally taken to Cuba and to ships in international waters, indefinitely illegally detained for decades on end, and illegally tortured. Their illegal kidknapping was bowdlerised as ‘Rendition’.
All that to say (and then there was the “Children Overboard complete misrepresentation by John Howard, and illegal treatment of refugees) is that I LOATHE John Howard, but respect his response to the Port Arthur massacre.
Yes I feel very safe in Australia.
@@OnehungLoweThe police were honestly surprised how much the anonymous drop boxes for guns were used. Everyone else gave the guns in over the counter at police stations and got compensation money from the government.
Thank goodness we don't have a gun problem here in Australia.
I’m glad the British Commonwealth isn’t as gun happy as America
Yet you still have gun violence, mass shootings and mass stabbings that actually kill more than over 90% of our "mass shootings" annually. Congratulations.
Definitely safer
The short answer is that the experiment failed.
We know this because the already declining firearm homicide rate continued to decline at the same rate after the laws were introduced as they had over the 16 years prior (Aust institute of criminology data) - the existing trend was not altered one iota.
If firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens were the problem, the firearm homicide rate would have plummeted in 1997, after the laws were introduced. It didn't.
All it did was remove a freedom, destroy an industry, cause an explosion of feral pests and make a lot of firearms that were not handed in very valuable when sold to criminals (it also directly transferred around 1000 handguns, that were handed in, into the NSW criminal community).
But, on the other hand, it has absolutely demonstrated that a lie often repeated will be considered the truth. most Australians believe it worked.
And for those who see no reason for civilians to own firearms, I refer you to the behaviour of Australian Govts during Covid.
Yer lots of misconceptions about Australian gun laws… I have a Cat-D license so I have an AR for feral pest control! Own 9 guns in total one is a 308 and you’re right it’s not rapid fire it’s a bolt action lol silly video! Basically you apply for a licence at the police station and if you pass a background you sit a firearm safety course and it’s that easy to get a gun 👍 and we actually love them here… just not the woke city types that have the loudest opinions lol
We still don't have legal semi-autos, pump/lever action or pistols readily available, except those which are legal must stay at the gun club.
Yes you can if you own a large property!
You can keep any firearm you can legally own in your own suburban home.
All Little Johnny did was drive it all underground.
The defence against a rogue government.... 😄😄 Yep, that'll work. Not like they have any kind of air power...
Its all about the mass attitude. How we perceive things and what we are willing to do to help. Basically, Australians have a " for the greater good for everyone" attitude. Like with Covid, the govt said do this, 97% would follow the guidelines given by the govt. A very few refused to get vaccinated and some were very much ostracized for not following and would be berated in the streets if not masked up. With America. They are very self righteous about everything.and follow their million commandments with everything and to get out if every thing bad. Theyre arrested for being drunk, out comes some commandment to get out of getting arrested. We aussies just accept it. We were in the wrong, ok we'll have to suffer the consequences. We conform easily for the whole society, and agree most of the time. Everyone hated Howard and his strict ways. But now looking back we actually applaud him for being so steadfast and having such guts. And he was 100% right in many things he did.
Horrible decision!!!!!
It didn't work.
Criminals didn't hand in their guns, and there are now more in Aus than before.
Source: me - I handed in one (which I didn't want anyway) and was paid enough for it to buy three (which I still use).
It’s not hard to still get a firearm here in oz!
Black market eh?
Legally and illegaly
As an Australian living through the pre gun rules reforms, I feel no more or less safe. I agree with the changes however we never had a gun culture like the USA. Like the UK we value life
more than property. Mind you, as we become more and more americanised things have changed .... somehow the use of guns toady, especially in the criminal culture is now more common
than at any time.
Mate, there's lot's of poor takes on this from normies who have no idea about the real world.
Guns are everywhere, and most of them are in the hands of gangsters, dealers, and those in the illegal tobacco trade.
It didn’t. There are daily gangland shootings in Sydney and criminals know that their victims cannot physically or legally defend themselves but are forced to cower in fear lest they be called racist!
The disarmament of the law abiding Australian people is one of the worst acts of the government against the citizenry.
So we should be USA 2.0 with weekly to monthly mass shootings in schools, hospitals and supermarkets due to easy access to buying guns? The criminals with guns in Sydney most likely obtained those guns via the black market, or stole them from somewhere. Also, if I have to defend myself I will, if I’m called racist? because of that, then that’s beyond stupid.
Howard was pm for 11 years! So must have done alright hey lefties
No
I guess it is still democracy even when voters are stupid. He had the China boom - the one that Keating diplomacy made possible. End of. He had nothing else. The worst thing he did was to strip the public service - of money yes but worse he stripped them of their work to provide independent advice to government. He sacked most of the heads of government departments that had earned their job by working their way up thru the system and he replaced them by instituting his own lackeys who sacked people they didn’t like and then went on to hire one of the Big4 multinational accountancy firms to do the work at 3 times the cost in order to deliver the exact conclusions re public policy that the Howard government had wanted. Obviously those accountancy firms rewarded the Liberal Party for their support.
Is that the kind of thing that you like?
In case you didn’t know, we are warming up for a federal election here in Australia. If you catch any other content that might excite our massively ignorant local torries, then bring it on - even if minds can’t be changed, fun can be had.
@@kathyconway5327 I was in the huge Work Choices protest march in Sydney
Morriscum became PM and so did Abbott. Both were bloody awful.
Everyone just handed in their old guns got paid and went out and brought new ones
What a lot of croc 😂
Well, not everyone, but I did and know many others who did too.
@ yes, not everyone lol
@@KaylovesKats tbf, I agree with the semi-auto policy. If you can't reasonably make a clean kill with one shot, you should not attempt it.
Semi-auto is overkill.
We are being overrun with crime in Australia now. How do you protect yourself especially small business? There are bad guys everywhere with guns. Woman shot in the back a couple of days ago. Terrorist attack predicted. What do you do if they break into your house? All we can do is either pray or hope cops save us in time.
Petty crime is increasing because poverty is increasing. There aren't "bad guys everywhere" with guns, and the terrorist attack risk is high because of the rise of ultra-right cookers - who, incidentally are more likely to want guns.
@@jessbellis9510 If they haven't got guns they use knives or machetes. Poverty increasing because of bad government decisions. Too many "different' people have been brought into Australia en masse.
Bryant didn't do Port Arthur..
There were survivors who saw him and he admitted it .and he killed others the same day .
@larainecurry4566 nope. There were survivors who said it wasn't him. The frontpage newspaper photo had him guilty, .. the patsy.
Lol
@@larainecurry4566 no.
I imagine no matter where you are in the world you can get firearms if you know the right people and have the cash? We now have people using cars to plough down innocent people shopping etc. so I guess I’m just saying where there’s a will there’s a way. I’ve never felt unsafe either way. I refuse to live in fear. Thx for providing a really cool channel mate 😊
Easier to escape a car than a bullet. Also generally can't be targeted inside an enclosed space.
@ not easy to escape a car that comes out of nowhere and shootings are generally outside but yes I do agree it would be harder to dodge a bullet
I’m going to say this which has been said millions of times before. It’s not a success and I’m fact anyone who has seen the results first hand will tell you that it’s been a disaster. I’m tired of having to hammer down this point over and over again.
The rate of gun deaths whether it’s homicide, suicide and accidents were on a downward decline since the 1970’s and the gun laws made zero impact on the trajectory. In fact we saw a spike in gun deaths in the early 2000’s.
It’s also false that it’s prevented mass shootings as we have seen numerous shootings that have taken place in recent years including the Margaret river shooting in Western Australia, the Darwin shooting in the Northern Territory just to name a few. We didn’t see school shootings until 2002 with the Monash University shooting that led to the confiscation of hundreds of handguns and the tightening of handgun laws.
The people who are recommending this to you are sending you a bunch of lies and propaganda. These people refuse to dialogue with gun owners who have to bear the burden of these laws and are denied a say in the matter.
If you want to actually know what the laws are and what the results have been I would recommend you go to Ozzie reviews.
you are an idiot ... we dont need guns full stop
Ok sure lol your the one spreading lies and propaganda go to america then if you don't like it here australia doesn't want ignorant people like you gun control has worked your just spread propaganda because you have a sad miserable life
Where did logic touch you?
What a load of BS. Gun owners have to be licensed. So what. You’re so full of crap you must be a Queenslander.
@ firstly I’m from NSW. Second I’ve read all the actual firearms laws and the numerous studies into the results of these gun laws including the Australian institute of criminology and the one done by Melbourne University as well as numerous academics like don wetherburn and dr samara mcphederon who have pointed out the the laws have made no impact on gun deaths in Australia.
if you want a gun you get a license, there are more guns now then ever ... what gnk gnk is this