The only sane person that has commented on the JJ McCarthy situation so far. This is exactly how the situation will play out for the Vikings. I know all these qb needy teams will continue to push the narrative that JJ might be on the table but the Vikings will not budge, the two many qbs problem is the best problem to have.
I think they will be fine. They need a complete rebuild though and need to hit on every pick basically. Very hard to do. First they need a stellar coach. Next build the OLine and Dline before everything else. Focus on that. These players like wide recievers and running backs they can get anywhere. Nothing works without those lines. Grab tight ends and DBs next. This is year 1. Second year get your QB and get the WR and RB there. Grab free agents to fill out spots. It won't be easy but it's the NFL.
hmmm, i dont think so. malik nabers is soooo worthy. only caleb, jaden and drake were 1st round consensus. malik nabers and brock bowers were the right choices. value and organization pillars picks.
As a vikings fan, i trust KOC to make the decision. There may not be a wrong answer. The main question i have is: Can JJ be a guy that can make 35-40 throws a game? Everything you hear out of Minnesota - it sounds like he can be that guy
100%. It's the main reason I think ultimately JJ is gonna be the guy. KOC had Mullens throwing for 400 yards and had Josh Dobbs playing well enough to get a Progressive commercial. Kwesi didn't win a game of chicken with Kirk and his agent just to turn around and panic-pay Darnold $55 million a year. Franchise Darnold and if he is just as good next year, then maybe you roll with him. If you decide to move on, you got a top ten caliber dude waiting in the wings for KOC to unleash. They're gonna nail this.
@@user-qr7ee2cp4y depends what the contract for Sam looks like, its not impossible to put a good roster around a high salary qb look at the Lions after paying Goff
JJ just didn’t resemble that guy at all at Michigan. Part of that is scheme, obviously, but if he was a really good drop back passer I think Harbaugh would have used him more as such. Vikings are in a tough (but enviable) spot.
@westrueblood8178 while i understand your point - just because he didnt do it in the past, doesnt mean he cant in the future. I would assume if KOC thinks that thrn they would move on from him
@user-qr7ee2cp4y. nice bot name. Mahomes won the last 2 Super Bowls with a huge salary. Matt Stafford isn’t a cheap QB and the Rams paid over $25 million for Goff that season.
Over the years lots...repeat LOTS OF...of college QBs have been touted as the next great pro. The list of fails is longer than the list of succeeds. What makes all the talking heads suddenly think that McCarthy is the next success.
exactly. He had mediocre stats in college. he is good at handing off. he is a game manager. I didn’t see him doing much at Michigan. Nothing bad about JJ, but nothing special.
Because one of the best coaches and quarterback developers in the league has raved about him, and he was pushing a borderline MVP candidate to start as a 21 year old prior to injury
@p.o.4339 every beat reporter was reporting on his progress and how it was possible he was going to outplay Sam for the starting role in the preseason. It's a good spot to be in, with two guys who will get maximized by one of the best coaches in the game.
Raiders GM Tom Telesco: Offer your 1st Rounder and A Fourth in 2025 for QB JJ McCarthy's rights. Sam Darnold earned the starter's job and a long-term deal for the Vikings. Let Scott and Norv Turner prepare JJ as the starter, with a TE Bowers, this is solid. Telesco's chance to acquire talent is here, as I would also draft QB Jaxson Dart in the later rounds to push with McCarthy.
@@BM-si2ei JJ is on IR and can't practice or do anything really with the team. He's sitting at home watching plays using a special VR headset. He's getting mental reps and little else.
They are not going to trade JJ unless they have Sam on a long term deal. The cap hit would be lower if they sign him to a long term deal. The hype of the generational QB talent in the 2021 draft was insane. I think there is some talent deep in the draft that wouldn’t require a trade for JJ even for the QB needy teams.
You can’t walk away from a 14-2 quarterback. Sam walking away from the apex of his career for $15m difference in guaranteed money would be foolish. That would be a total lose-lose situation.
Shit is watched all the Michigan games that I could because Harbs is an awesome coach. Sorry but JJ isn't pro material coming out of college. He may be now but he isn't a starter unless he learned a lot.
Ryan wants the Dallas job. The Jets would have to eat some humble pie to rehire him. I think he should go to the Bears. His pappy is a legend in Chicago.
Nope he was never a good head coach and he screwed up that quarterback back Sanjests. Hell I can't spell but u'all know whom I'm talking about he run into his own man, fumbling mess!
The Vikings should trade J.J. McCarthy. They would be crazy not to. As a first round pick with no major negatives other than his injury, he should bring at the very least a 2nd and a 3rd rounder. Possibly a first round pick from a team that needed a QB and didn't see one they liked on the board. Sam Darnold has proved that he is a top 5 QB. The only way Minnesota lets Darnold go is if he demands too much money which I don't think he will do.
People who say things like this - simply don't know or understand football. Sam Darnold is a superior talent to Keenum. He has top 5 arm talent, above average athleticism, he's tough and he's Clutch and 27 yo. There's a reason that he was drafted #3 overall and was the 2nd QB chosen in his class, ahead of both Lamar and Josh Allen. Case Keenum was an Undrafted Free Agent. So, just Stop.
@ehansbrough593 didn't say it was right or wrong. Just stating what happened. Plenty of players get picked over each other that means nothing in terms of their actual success
The rookie qb contract argument doesn’t hold up when you look into it. The only team it worked for was Seattle because they had the best defense of the last 20 years. Mahomes won one but he also won back to back after his enormous contract.
Yes it does it just doesn’t guarantee success because you still need good coaching and gm to adequately evaluate talent to allocate the excess in funds you have in a rookie quarterback instead of paying one. It’s not simply jj McCarthy v San darnold it’s Sam darnold v jj McCarthy, a safety, a starting center, and a pro bowl defensive tackle
We wld be stupid to trade JJ. he was having a damn good preseason until the injury. Sam Arnold is a good story good QB but the true Sam shows, just look at how he performed against DT.
Are these interviews just set up by the networks to try to give a false veneer of up-to-date credibility to their analysts? (I respect those old coaches, but no way is this guy a 2025 NFL head coach, obviously.)
The Titans had their QB and they screwed it up.. they let Milik Willis Go... he goes to GB with A REAL OFFENSIVE SYSTEM........ Love gets hurt Willis comes in and wins every start and he played well
If the Vikings were open to a trade, McCarthy would be a great fit for the Titans. They have a young, promising offensive-minded HFC. Their org is a much better landing spot than the NY Teams or the Raiders.
The Vikings have a guy now. There's no evidence with Darnold in a Vikings uniform that proves otherwise. Tampa has their guy too with Baker. Is McCarthy's ceiling noticeably higher than Darnold's play right now? I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest this today. What if the Chargers could send Herbert to the Giants and the Vikings could send McCarthy to Los Angeles (win lots of big draft picks moving of course)?
If rex gets hired back he better be on point bc anytime he messes up with management there will be hundreds of hours of tape of him critiquing someone of how they handled that situation. Helps to his colleague is running the coach search 😂
Rex Ryan prays every night a team will call & interview him for a HC job again. Problem is he sucks and his system is outdated. Well, come to think of it he would fall right in line with the Jets way of doing business.
God works in mysterious ways. Sam needed the opportunity and J.J. needed surgery and the time to fully heal. Hopefully both quarterbacks will have good careers. This is an opportunity for the Vikings to mentor the young qb and basically become Greenbay with Farve and Rodgers as a backup!
JJ would be the first pick in 2025 draft. If Minnesota re-signs Darnold JJ will request a trade. If im Darnold im not playing on a franchise tag...not happening. Luckily it won't matter as Sam will shite the bed in Detroit starting this week. Here comes pumpkin Sam
All season, we saw Minnesota just barely sneaking by some really bad teams, while Lions were just destroying the same teams by huge margins!! Sorry, but "FAKINGS" are NOT in the same League as " REAL KINGS" of the NFL jungle, LIONS!! Not even close!! Lions just crushed them, annihilated them!!
Vikes fans are funny. Only the sad Vikings wanted the college handoff specialist... And they traded up for him lmfao. No one gonna trade for Drew Lock McCarthy.
The 2025 QB draft class and the free agency group is VERY shallow pool of talent. This raises McCarthys potential draft capitol in a trade. I see 5 teams that need a QB and 2 first round QBs in the draft.
so the guy Rome question asked about JJ McCarthy must be a Jets fan based on the profile pic. Hey about the Jets become not the Hell hole of an organization they are an not beg tor hypotheticals. Unless vikings get 4 1st round picks McCarthy is the future
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This Breer guy knows his stuff 👌
The only sane person that has commented on the JJ McCarthy situation so far. This is exactly how the situation will play out for the Vikings. I know all these qb needy teams will continue to push the narrative that JJ might be on the table but the Vikings will not budge, the two many qbs problem is the best problem to have.
If the Jets knew what the “right person” looked like they would not be in this position 🤨
For like 5+ decades
The Giants are so dumb to not have taken a QB last year.
I think they will be fine. They need a complete rebuild though and need to hit on every pick basically. Very hard to do. First they need a stellar coach. Next build the OLine and Dline before everything else. Focus on that. These players like wide recievers and running backs they can get anywhere. Nothing works without those lines. Grab tight ends and DBs next. This is year 1. Second year get your QB and get the WR and RB there. Grab free agents to fill out spots. It won't be easy but it's the NFL.
hmmm, i dont think so. malik nabers is soooo worthy. only caleb, jaden and drake were 1st round consensus. malik nabers and brock bowers were the right choices. value and organization pillars picks.
Giants let J.J. McCarthy, Penix Jr. and Bo Nix for smarter GMs.
Yep to many, many mistakes, how about RB?
@@WW3_Soon And better head coaches. They don't deserve another QB if they don't clean house
As a vikings fan, i trust KOC to make the decision. There may not be a wrong answer. The main question i have is: Can JJ be a guy that can make 35-40 throws a game? Everything you hear out of Minnesota - it sounds like he can be that guy
100%. It's the main reason I think ultimately JJ is gonna be the guy. KOC had Mullens throwing for 400 yards and had Josh Dobbs playing well enough to get a Progressive commercial. Kwesi didn't win a game of chicken with Kirk and his agent just to turn around and panic-pay Darnold $55 million a year. Franchise Darnold and if he is just as good next year, then maybe you roll with him. If you decide to move on, you got a top ten caliber dude waiting in the wings for KOC to unleash. They're gonna nail this.
@@user-qr7ee2cp4y depends what the contract for Sam looks like, its not impossible to put a good roster around a high salary qb look at the Lions after paying Goff
JJ just didn’t resemble that guy at all at Michigan. Part of that is scheme, obviously, but if he was a really good drop back passer I think Harbaugh would have used him more as such. Vikings are in a tough (but enviable) spot.
@westrueblood8178 while i understand your point - just because he didnt do it in the past, doesnt mean he cant in the future. I would assume if KOC thinks that thrn they would move on from him
@user-qr7ee2cp4y. nice bot name. Mahomes won the last 2 Super Bowls with a huge salary. Matt Stafford isn’t a cheap QB and the Rams paid over $25 million for Goff that season.
Over the years lots...repeat LOTS OF...of college QBs have been touted as the next great pro. The list of fails is longer than the list of succeeds. What makes all the talking heads suddenly think that McCarthy is the next success.
exactly. He had mediocre stats in college. he is good at handing off. he is a game manager. I didn’t see him doing much at Michigan. Nothing bad about JJ, but nothing special.
Because one of the best coaches and quarterback developers in the league has raved about him, and he was pushing a borderline MVP candidate to start as a 21 year old prior to injury
@@BM-si2ei Of course the guy who drafted him would say that. Someone said the same thing about Trey Lance just a few years ago.
@p.o.4339 every beat reporter was reporting on his progress and how it was possible he was going to outplay Sam for the starting role in the preseason. It's a good spot to be in, with two guys who will get maximized by one of the best coaches in the game.
I hope someone wants Kenny Pickett…I’m an eagles fan and don’t want to lose McKee
Raiders GM Tom Telesco: Offer your 1st Rounder and A Fourth in 2025 for QB JJ McCarthy's rights. Sam Darnold earned the starter's job and a long-term deal for the Vikings. Let Scott and Norv Turner prepare JJ as the starter, with a TE Bowers, this is solid. Telesco's chance to acquire talent is here, as I would also draft QB Jaxson Dart in the later rounds to push with McCarthy.
JJ has had a year under one of the 3 best QB developers in the league. 1 1st and a 4th ain't gone come close to getting him
@@BM-si2ei JJ is on IR and can't practice or do anything really with the team. He's sitting at home watching plays using a special VR headset. He's getting mental reps and little else.
@@dwboston1 under KOC, that's more valuable than any college program and most other franchises
Good luck with that. Lol
Let him sit and develop if Darnold is going to be great. Would that be a bad thing?
They are not going to trade JJ unless they have Sam on a long term deal. The cap hit would be lower if they sign him to a long term deal. The hype of the generational QB talent in the 2021 draft was insane. I think there is some talent deep in the draft that wouldn’t require a trade for JJ even for the QB needy teams.
You can’t walk away from a 14-2 quarterback. Sam walking away from the apex of his career for $15m difference in guaranteed money would be foolish. That would be a total lose-lose situation.
Of course you can. Offer Sam $30-$35 million for 2 years. If he declines, you franchise and trade him.
@@RobVoto that's a bean counter mentality not a winner mentality. JJ will never be a franchise QB in the NFL.
@@chadwickerman Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Shit is watched all the Michigan games that I could because Harbs is an awesome coach. Sorry but JJ isn't pro material coming out of college. He may be now but he isn't a starter unless he learned a lot.
@@chadwickerman Only a loser can make a prediction about a player who has never taken a snap in the NFL.
the Jets involving Tanenbaum? why?
Has a 92 General Manager Rating in madden
Woodys ran out of people willing to work for him, so he’s gotta go back and consider gms and hcs he’s already fired.
Let jj sit and learn for a couple of years. You guys criticize other rookie QBs who are doing poorly let this kid sit and learn.
Rex Ryan won’t likely get the Jets HC job so his agent better counsel him to reach out to the Giants, Raiders, Jaguars and even the Bears.
Ryan wants the Dallas job. The Jets would have to eat some humble pie to rehire him. I think he should go to the Bears. His pappy is a legend in Chicago.
Nope he was never a good head coach and he screwed up that quarterback back Sanjests. Hell I can't spell but u'all know whom I'm talking about he run into his own man, fumbling mess!
The Vikings should trade J.J. McCarthy. They would be crazy not to. As a first round pick with no major negatives other than his injury, he should bring at the very least a 2nd and a 3rd rounder. Possibly a first round pick from a team that needed a QB and didn't see one they liked on the board. Sam Darnold has proved that he is a top 5 QB. The only way Minnesota lets Darnold go is if he demands too much money which I don't think he will do.
No telling what that stupid owner of Jets will do next! What a circle jerk!
Titans will go after Carson Wentz on a prove it deal
LMAO. Prove what that he sucks?
Trade for Brock bowers to solidify a SB run.
Vikings did this with case keenum in terms of having success with journey man, never reached those heights after moving on from him
People who say things like this - simply don't know or understand football. Sam Darnold is a superior talent to Keenum. He has top 5 arm talent, above average athleticism, he's tough and he's Clutch and 27 yo. There's a reason that he was drafted #3 overall and was the 2nd QB chosen in his class, ahead of both Lamar and Josh Allen. Case Keenum was an Undrafted Free Agent. So, just Stop.
@ehansbrough593 didn't say it was right or wrong. Just stating what happened. Plenty of players get picked over each other that means nothing in terms of their actual success
Case Managed it well. Sam is cooking!
Same with Randall Cunningham,Jeff George etc...1 year Vikings wonders. Never same after their fantastic season.
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick,Trey Lance was 3rd or 4th....doesn't truly matter where you're drafted.
The rookie qb contract argument doesn’t hold up when you look into it. The only team it worked for was Seattle because they had the best defense of the last 20 years. Mahomes won one but he also won back to back after his enormous contract.
Yes it does it just doesn’t guarantee success because you still need good coaching and gm to adequately evaluate talent to allocate the excess in funds you have in a rookie quarterback instead of paying one. It’s not simply jj McCarthy v San darnold it’s Sam darnold v jj McCarthy, a safety, a starting center, and a pro bowl defensive tackle
Every Superbowl winner had really good defenses. It seems like people focus so hard on the offense they forget that.
The chiefs didn’t have a really good defense in their first Mahomes Superbowl.
Not to mention that Brady is part owner of the Raiders 😁
We wld be stupid to trade JJ. he was having a damn good preseason until the injury. Sam Arnold is a good story good QB but the true Sam shows, just look at how he performed against DT.
Am I seriously being presented of minutes of someone saying Rex Ryan has the ability to be an NFL head coach in 2025?
Give me a break, Albert.
Are these interviews just set up by the networks to try to give a false veneer of up-to-date credibility to their analysts?
(I respect those old coaches, but no way is this guy a 2025 NFL head coach, obviously.)
@Albert - have you heard anything about NO starting a GM search?
Not HC, GM
Why do we have to keep talking about the Jets like they might have an idea what they’re doing?
Cleveland could use. JJ
The Titans had their QB and they screwed it up.. they let Milik Willis Go... he goes to GB with A REAL OFFENSIVE SYSTEM........ Love gets hurt Willis comes in and wins every start and he played well
Beware Jets fans: Rick Spielman cannot be trusted.
If the Vikings were open to a trade, McCarthy would be a great fit for the Titans. They have a young, promising offensive-minded HFC. Their org is a much better landing spot than the NY Teams or the Raiders.
If they offered up the 2nd overall pick it’d be hard for the Vikings to say no.
Hell will freeze over before KOC lets JJ go to a mess like the Titans. Dream on man
The Vikings have a guy now. There's no evidence with Darnold in a Vikings uniform that proves otherwise. Tampa has their guy too with Baker. Is McCarthy's ceiling noticeably higher than Darnold's play right now? I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest this today. What if the Chargers could send Herbert to the Giants and the Vikings could send McCarthy to Los Angeles (win lots of big draft picks moving of course)?
THERE'S NO WAY WE TRADE JJ MCCARTHY BECAUSE OF SAM DONALD
It worked out to pick Rivers over Brees? Huh?
Can you franchise tag someone you brought in for one year? That doesn't seem right.
The Vikings did as much for Darnold as he did for them
Yes you can. That was discussed on another show (idk which one off the top of my head)
Play out this year, franchise Darnold, jj McCarthy heal and compete in 2025 and decide December 2025 path forward. Win-win
Exactly!
The Jets need a culture setter, they should consider getting people Gruden, tomlin, or try to lure Shanahan or Dan Cambell if he wins the SB
Culture starts from the top, and it’s not going to change with the current ownership.
@@kediloaf good luck waiting for them to sell the team, you might as well reach retirement and you won't see that happen
@@efibrilovski6374 I’m 29 and Woody Johnson is 77. It’s going to happen.
@@kediloaf lolol, best of luck waiting for his sons to move on .....
QB class is awful. Maybe Cam? The others no way.
Yeah trade jj to the giants
If rex gets hired back he better be on point bc anytime he messes up with management there will be hundreds of hours of tape of him critiquing someone of how they handled that situation. Helps to his colleague is running the coach search 😂
Rex Ryan prays every night a team will call & interview him for a HC job again. Problem is he sucks and his system is outdated. Well, come to think of it he would fall right in line with the Jets way of doing business.
What’s Breer’s madden rating
God works in mysterious ways. Sam needed the opportunity and J.J. needed surgery and the time to fully heal. Hopefully both quarterbacks will have good careers.
This is an opportunity for the Vikings to mentor the young qb and basically become Greenbay with Farve and Rodgers as a backup!
All you amateur content providers. Do you see how Breer is looking at the viewer and not to the left of the viewer while he's speaking?
JJ would be the first pick in 2025 draft. If Minnesota re-signs Darnold JJ will request a trade. If im Darnold im not playing on a franchise tag...not happening.
Luckily it won't matter as Sam will shite the bed in Detroit starting this week.
Here comes pumpkin Sam
All season, we saw Minnesota just barely sneaking by some really bad teams, while Lions were just destroying the same teams by huge margins!!
Sorry, but "FAKINGS" are NOT in the same League as " REAL KINGS" of the NFL jungle, LIONS!! Not even close!! Lions just crushed them, annihilated them!!
Did rex coach the jet already he fail
Yes, Ryan coached the Jets but he can also bring a new perspective to the team. They need it. The Jets have sucked for so many years since he left.
He went to 2 AFC championships with Mark Sanchez @QB in the middle of the Patriots 15 yearish run
Pete Carroll ?
Vikes fans are funny. Only the sad Vikings wanted the college handoff specialist... And they traded up for him lmfao. No one gonna trade for Drew Lock McCarthy.
@@StillKeepOnLosing its funny, the pqckers gave $55 million to a handoff specialist
If I were JJ Mccarthy I would request a trade and start fresh they can get a 1 for him
He needs development and he's in one of the best possible spots for that.
@diggitus he will get no PT as long as Darnold is there, we
With success Vikings will have to pay Darnold as well as some other pkayers
What idiot is going to take Sanders lol. Keep that cv ready
The 2025 QB draft class and the free agency group is VERY shallow pool of talent. This raises McCarthys potential draft capitol in a trade. I see 5 teams that need a QB and 2 first round QBs in the draft.
Sam played good because of the team. Kirk did the same thing... Its not Sam. Its the Defense and the receivers
Yes the coaching and line are good. No it is not just them. If that was the case Mullens would be QB1 material and he's not.
illogical
so the guy Rome question asked about JJ McCarthy must be a Jets fan based on the profile pic. Hey about the Jets become not the Hell hole of an organization they are an not beg tor hypotheticals. Unless vikings get 4 1st round picks McCarthy is the future
Ryan does tick a box for the jets though - he’s shit
Breer, are you alright? You don’t look like you’re feeling great. If you’re not feeling well I hope you rest up and feel better soon!
Ryan is a clown.
Darnold has had one good year under KOC…
JJ is the future of the Vikings
JJ to Seattle
Media dorks need to just chill. No reason to sign Darnold until after playoffs then this can all get figured it out