As a fellow solar installer (not in UK) I'd recommend putting the concrete blocks down like every 2nd is rotated 45 ° degrees, it's easier to grab on the corners that way. (Commented at 4:30 minutes didnt see the whole vid) Edit: I see on the rolling cart the blocks are rotated, I take it back haha Great job, that's a nice rail system never seen that one!
Don’t often comment, but those cables in the poorly installed floor basket will be eaten by squirrels and other rodents in no time at all. They need to be armoured or AT LEAST in conduit. For £60k I’d certainly be expecting basic cable protection designed as a minimum for single tri rated. One of the electricians on site should have picked up on it. Great videography though 👍🏿
@@kentmccroskey3712why? The solar panel's pos/neg cables are not related to earth... there will be no current flowing unless they would chew into both at once.
I had this VanDerValk system installed on my flat roof about 2 weeks ago. Very tidy and with enough ballast it's pretty solid. Waiting for the first storm.
Have enjoyed watching several of your videos, and thought there were some great pointers in this particular one that would help prospective Solar users understand why installations can sometimes be complex.
I live in spain and we get some pretty hefty winds and having woken up one morning to discover 8 of my ground mounted panels 30 meters down my garden dragging cables and the twisted remains of aluminium section behind them - even with them fixed down, a ballasted mount rather than hard fixed makes me nervous to say the least
Great video and what an install! Can you do another video showing us generation power and what happens to their bills (a before and after installation of electricity bill)
@@Walktheline1991 I don't think they're fixed at all. They're just weighted down with ballast. However, using the rubber feet allows a less wobbly installation than trying to lay flat rails on what might not be a perfectly flat surface.
I see Reuben has the most important tool sticking out from his pocket. The trusty "Fork". Always need a fork! 😅 Great Video guys, so good I watched it twice. Keep up the good work and turning out all these amazing videos. Well done!
See lots of trees around the tennis court in winter that will cause havoc in the winter with leaves etc, given the side of the panels are open is there an option to close off the sides of the panels?
Great job. I truly think they need more battery storage. I have 11,200 watts of solar, 10kw inverter and 57,2 kw of usable battery storage. I want to double solar and battery storage while adding 1 more inverter. Right now I can go 3 days with no sun and when done I will be able to go 7 days. usually within 7 days I have 1-2 days of decent sun in winter which means I can charge up the batteries fully and then on cloudy days UI can make 25-50% of supply demand. It takes so much extra in the winter since low amount of sun hours.
You imply that you need to have a Solar Edge system for optimisers and individual panel monitoring. I have a Solax system with Tigo optimisers for each panel, plus the Tigo monitoring software.
Hi, when will we see the second 2 Solax battery installed at the property were having trouble with the landscape install, had similar problem with my slave install too 300mm spacing in soldier like install (single file)
2 minutes in. Leigh has given the safety briefing for the motorised barrow, and no one wears earplugs despite the label of 98dB being clearly visible. Just wait until you're 60 and you can't talk to your friends. Industrial deafness is very isolating. Wear your PPE or get off the site.
Someone needs to invent mountings which have motors in which tilt panels throughout the day. In the morning, tilt towards the east, in the afternoon, tilt towards the west.
The panels will sag in the center and wont drain on a shallow pitch this will cause soiling. Not that acess is difficult for clening but i would add some syphon drain clips, cost pennies will make a big difference
I have only recently found your channel. This was amazing. I really enjoyed the video and detail and of course the bit of fun at work too. As someone noted earlier, it would be great to see the stats specifically for usage and generation. 🎉 loved it !
Payback illustration must be a work or art. Should include cable maintenance, and weekly cleaning costs. £60k just so you have tiny elec bills really doesn't make much sense to me though
We paid just over half that for a very similar system with higher quality panels and more battery storage and I can safely say that this will almost never get’s its money back in the lifetime of the batteries (most expensive component).
Return on Investment (ROI), not payback. As soon as you start talking about payback everyone will quote a payback period expressed in years, which doesn't tell if it is commercially worthwhile installing the panels, and the reason electricians do that is because they are unable to do any other kind of analysis. What you need to do is calculate the pence per kWh of the electricity generated by the panels and compare that to the ppkWh for electricity from the national grid (you also need to include the standing charge and VAT but that's easy).
@@vedranartbifacial are not going to be great with a van der vaalk system. I would personally only recommend bifacial on a proper ground mount installed on tables
Hmmm Solar edge is not the only optimised system that you can monitor queue Enphase! But any system can be monitored queue Tigo So not all systems that need to be monitored need to be solar edge ;)
Hopefully summer will start soon in the UK for them to give it a real test. It was great until June. July and August has been shocking. Good luck, looks fantastic.
A fair number of those panels seem to be in shade at various times during the filming. If that was the only place for the solar farm, then I'd probably have thought about microinverters rather than strings, as this tends to be much more efficient in slightly shaded systems.
That being said. Any light is light. I’d have opted for a more efficient panel like the Maxeon 6 which has less degradation over time too, plus their new AC version with enphase micro inverters look the dogs.
It's SolarEdge so it works in a similar way to micro inverters. Each panel has an optimiser and allows the panels on the strings to decouple from each other, so if one panel is shaded it doesn't lower the output of the other unshaded panels.
Might be silly questions but 1) why east west instead of just south? 2) OR is the wind taking care of reorientation? Are those slabs enough? Why not bolt it down?
Over a day they get more total hours of sun hitting the panels doing east/west. Higher intensity just aiming south but it's for a shorter period just in the middle of the day. The combined rating of the panels is such that they can max out their inverter capacity throughout a longer day even without aiming south. They could have included some pointing south but in this particular installation it wouldn't add any more as you are limited by the inverters. It was also pointed out that pointing directly south can reduce overall efficiency of solar panels due to the increased heating effect, so the advantage of direct south is slightly moderated. With the reduction of the price of panels it is becoming more common that people use a higher number of panels pointing east/west rather than a smaller number pointing south. The optimum orientation and number of panels will always depend on the site and the budget.
surely once batteries are charged and house is being serviced the excess electricity is being exported at a fixed rate? All that credit can then be used through winter for charging the batteries at a super low rate
That’s similar to my system which is East, west and some south facing. Although not quite as large as your system it still manages to charge both my Tesla Powerwalls heat the water and run my two air conditioners as well as a bit to the car and grid, and fortunately I also get a FIT payment. One question though, can this system take over in the event of a power failure, does it have a gateway similar to the Tesla gateway??
G,day from Sydney Australia. Great use of space for the solar array. Perfect tip for retrieving lost/broken cables inside large conduit. Solar edge I was left wondering about the panel energy production to the inverter- 200% of the interverter and battery storage. 🌏🇭🇲
I can see why 10 degrees might be used on a flat roof (visually unobtrusive but wouldn’t 40 or 50 degrees be better for particularly winter generation?
I am not trying to be troll with this comment but how do your guys turn a profit? My company would have half the people on this and expected that installed in same time as it appears to have taken you guys
No, no, definitely no volt drop on DC. It doesn't exist. You can have a cable 1km long if you like...no problem ... This is a very special case where ohms law does not apply. It's magical ...
Actually the voltage drop on DC is even bigger when on AC. I thought it was strange they didn't even make the calculations to figure out how much voltage they were losing with those long DC cables. It might not be a huge loss but still...
Great job, but I wonder if these concrete tiles will hold up in a windstorm. A strong current of air under these panels is enough to create a cascading effect.
Absolutely no need to fix it the floor. Sure they would have used the van der vaalk planner that does the wind load calc to work out the ballast. It will easily stand up to a storm
having pity for the tense players what a wonderful place to play was that. .but need of solar means the existing supply is not reliable. .. like our supplier raised the cost of a unit with lot of cuts. ...
It'll be good when we get to the point where youve got electric naterial handling machines... ive been thinking how cool it would be to have an electric pallet jack for getting heavy loads out of the pickup...
Just put an ammeter on each string at midday and you will instantly see if one string is not performing properly at peak output and pigeon poo guano is obvious visibly and each panel has three bypass diodes so optimisers are not necessary
I normally say Optimisers are a waste of time and money (snake oil perhaps?), but installing on a shaded east/west site and probably constantly soiled panels, maybe they will be some use for a change?
I was wondering about that also, increasing the angle in winter would help increase production right? I like ground mounted panels for the ability to mount them in the right direction and easy access for changing the angles. Cleaning access is also easier in this setup. I also like install where the panels are above grass, veggie gardens or sheds but then you need council approval and cost goes up.
60K and a system that ''almost'' runs a house 100% of the time. How long will payback take if the system never needs servicing or repair. I am not convinced.
Here in Germany you could have 30kWp (without Battery) installed for like 30.000 USD or buy the Materials for like 8.000 USD and install by yourself. I bet at least 10.000 of the 60.000 GBP are going for the Solaredge inverters alone.
Cost-wise buying a TV, or a car, or joining a gym, or fancy clothes, or a meal in a restaurant, or a vacation, or a new kitchen, or installing heating instead of wearing a coat indoors will never pay for themselves. Where does this weird obsession with renewables needing to be cost negative come from? 🤷♂️
@@flipschwipp6572 What's the best place to look for used solar panels nowdays in Germany. The old market places have gone crazy and not worth it anymore. A friends barn needs more panles. 15kw inverter but only a couple of kw of panels installed yet. Looking for used.
If i had £60000 to spare i would never do this. My simple quotation for 12 panels and 5 KWh battery was £8500 . That works out 33p per KWh produced. This must be well over £1 per KWh. WHY do people do this???
Customer designed it like this purely for the export of energy back to the grid. He will probably get about £500 p/m from the power he generates. Works out to be about 10% yield.
It's an east/west array which is supposed to do quite well in our lattitude and is used on most of the arrays in farmland that I have seen. It gets better coverage of early and late sun which a purely south array would largely miss but obviously all static arrays are a compromise. It also makes perfect sense of the over sized wrt the inverters set-up, you will never get 100% out of such an array but you will get a longer day.
is it about securing the electricity supply for an entire village? 13:34 Now you already have shadows on the square. That's not suitable. At an inclination of 15 to 20°, self-cleaning would already have taken place. 10° is very flat. Set up correctly, it should have been 40°, but then there are shadows
Does british power companies offer net metering? like say this home is regularly outputting 10kw a day in the summer to the grid will they get a credit on their account that then allows them to use that credit during winter, when they aren't producing much which could offset the bill over the years time
Thats a HUGE cost for 62 panels ground mounted and only 30 kWh of battery. Batterys will only cost £10k... My 28 kWh only cost me £9k and that includes the 20% vat.
Great project, but a couple of Solar Edge questions. You stated a 200% DC power to AC power ratio? Surely that’s too high. The data sheet for the SE5000 & SE6000 states a 155% ratio - you need to check that I think. Also, are you using export limitation at all? What happens if you are producing 17kW, the batteries are full and the house has minimal consumption. Without export limitation the balance will be exported to the grid & will cause DNO issues unless you have approval to export that much. I’m sure you have thought of these points. 🤞
Can never get my head round this max oversize on panels. The inverter will only draw up to its rated capacity ( plus a %OL) making more power available won’t make it generate more as long as you don’t exceed the dc string input voltage of the inverter I can’t see it matters. When we connect a motor inverter to the grid we don’t worry that the grid has more power available than the inverter can handle, or am I missing something here.
It won’t ever reach the peak, being east west. Half the time the off axis ones will probably get 200w while the ones on the sun side will be getting 450 or so. If it was on a roof and all pointing south you would be maybe peaking it for a bit around 12. They didn’t mention if it was 1 or 3 phase but likely 1 or 3 100a 24kw feeds. I’d guess neighbours have similar and a good chance of using it up before the substation gets bothered. Also probably long runs between properties and substation too.
@@johnwarwick4105 I installed a diy system last year for my own home, On one of the strings I used a EPever 100A charge controller, rated to handle 150%, so max array for 24V system is stated as 3750W, I contacted EPever and asked can I overpanel if I don't exceed the max input voltage, from memory 150V (I think), which I didn't , they said no, not given a clear explanation, just that it can't exceed the short circuit current?, I actually installed 4500W in the end, all's working well, its south facing and ground mounted at 30% with no shading
@@IanFarquharson2I’m not sure I totally agree with that. At mid day in the summer then both E & W facing will be similarly illuminated- maybe not to 100%, but pretty close - which is exactly the point I’m making.
@@robertharvey9698 ye, we have an east/west installation at work, 14 no 440 watt panels both sides, roughly 15 degree pitch, so roughly 12.3kW, I've seen it hit 10kW mid day
I thought optimal fixed angle for the UK was facing directly south and at 36 degrees from the horizontal. I tried east/west config on my shed(12 degrees) and the output was dismal throughout the year compared to my south facing roof(28degrees). Not having a go just curious as to the design.
The due south thing is a true if you're going single string, doing an east-west install gives more energy overall, but requires twice the number of panels. They've over sized on the panels to compensate for picking a poor installation angle. My understanding is that installation system used is for flat roofs where a more conventional angle may not be desirable or achievable due to planning rules etc. At 10 degrees on a winters day it might be better to switch the system off to save power - particularly with ground mounting in an area with boundary shrubberies.
In this east-west configuration the panels work no matter where the sun is, so I would just have ignored the compass and installed them at right angles to the tennis court. Room for more panels and looking tidy.
@@DumahBrazorf Not the same, but at this low angle, I suspect the results would be similar. The panels are just a few degrees from being level with the ground, and I hope we can agree that at 0 degrees, the results would be the same independent of direction. On industrial building flat roof installations, they usually follow the direction of the building, but buildings are not necessarily aligned with true north.
Great job guys, but disappointing at the end because it would of been interesting to know how the oversized Solar edge worked! At the 27:00 in the video I notice the pipe work was left open and the cables run into an open cage. This might be encourage small rodents to run through and chew the cables!, did you take any further steps to provent this?
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So how many inverters did you have for the whole array
The way Jordan opened that Magnum just blew my mind! 😂
As a fellow solar installer (not in UK) I'd recommend putting the concrete blocks down like every 2nd is rotated 45 ° degrees, it's easier to grab on the corners that way. (Commented at 4:30 minutes didnt see the whole vid)
Edit: I see on the rolling cart the blocks are rotated, I take it back haha
Great job, that's a nice rail system never seen that one!
Don’t often comment, but those cables in the poorly installed floor basket will be eaten by squirrels and other rodents in no time at all. They need to be armoured or AT LEAST in conduit. For £60k I’d certainly be expecting basic cable protection designed as a minimum for single tri rated. One of the electricians on site should have picked up on it. Great videography though 👍🏿
It'll be the last thing that Squirrel will chew into, leave it as a warning to others.
How bloody dare you……5 star electricians this lot! Take it back you jealous git!!
@@kentmccroskey3712no it wouldn’t, it happens quite a lot.
@@kentmccroskey3712why? The solar panel's pos/neg cables are not related to earth... there will be no current flowing unless they would chew into both at once.
Always funny listening to the classic 'cowboys here / what a bodgejob'....when biggest clowns are making youtube videos putting down proof
Great work lads, nice to see people having a laugh and enjoying work!
Much appreciated! They do enjoy their work which is good 👍
Be nice to see the actual installation and connecting of all the solar equipment. 👍
Noted!
❤ Great use of a dead space, also fabulous garden, the Cotinus and Montbretia looked stunning!
It was a really nice garden 🪴
I had this VanDerValk system installed on my flat roof about 2 weeks ago. Very tidy and with enough ballast it's pretty solid. Waiting for the first storm.
Great to hear!
That's what I would be worried about, A bit of wind and they will be flying away.
@davidjones6779 the system has weight calculations based on the wind speeds for your area. My installer doubled the ballast accordingly
Where in the uk are you please. I’m in Surrey / Kent area and can’t find an installer that uses the VanDerValk system to install on my flat roof!
@@zenthor13 North East. Install was done by JDM Earth.
Surely this is more of a statement than efficiency
Have enjoyed watching several of your videos, and thought there were some great pointers in this particular one that would help prospective Solar users understand why installations can sometimes be complex.
I live in spain and we get some pretty hefty winds and having woken up one morning to discover 8 of my ground mounted panels 30 meters down my garden dragging cables and the twisted remains of aluminium section behind them - even with them fixed down, a ballasted mount rather than hard fixed makes me nervous to say the least
Great video and what an install! Can you do another video showing us generation power and what happens to their bills (a before and after installation of electricity bill)
Noted for the future!
I think the rubber feet are for flat roof covering so as not to damage it , don't think you needed them on astro turf
How are you going to fix anything semi securely in to Astro turf?
@@Walktheline1991 I don't think they're fixed at all. They're just weighted down with ballast. However, using the rubber feet allows a less wobbly installation than trying to lay flat rails on what might not be a perfectly flat surface.
@@tasmedic no but the rubber feet are for stability as well, without them on straight Astro turf wouldn't sit as balanced
I see Reuben has the most important tool sticking out from his pocket. The trusty "Fork". Always need a fork! 😅
Great Video guys, so good I watched it twice. Keep up the good work and turning out all these amazing videos. Well done!
Thanks for watching!
See lots of trees around the tennis court in winter that will cause havoc in the winter with leaves etc, given the side of the panels are open is there an option to close off the sides of the panels?
well done Jordan, John, Lee, Luke, Reuben with the other guy and camera man great install and video
Glad you enjoyed it
Great job. I truly think they need more battery storage. I have 11,200 watts of solar, 10kw inverter and 57,2 kw of usable battery storage. I want to double solar and battery storage while adding 1 more inverter. Right now I can go 3 days with no sun and when done I will be able to go 7 days. usually within 7 days I have 1-2 days of decent sun in winter which means I can charge up the batteries fully and then on cloudy days UI can make 25-50% of supply demand. It takes so much extra in the winter since low amount of sun hours.
You imply that you need to have a Solar Edge system for optimisers and individual panel monitoring.
I have a Solax system with Tigo optimisers for each panel, plus the Tigo monitoring software.
Hi, when will we see the second 2 Solax battery installed at the property were having trouble with the landscape install, had similar problem with my slave install too 300mm spacing in soldier like install (single file)
Reuben got the most important tool in his pocket……. A pot noodle fork (18:30) good lad 😂
2 minutes in. Leigh has given the safety briefing for the motorised barrow, and no one wears earplugs despite the label of 98dB being clearly visible. Just wait until you're 60 and you can't talk to your friends. Industrial deafness is very isolating. Wear your PPE or get off the site.
Someone needs to invent mountings which have motors in which tilt panels throughout the day. In the morning, tilt towards the east, in the afternoon, tilt towards the west.
Motorised tracking mounts? They exist. Horrendously expensive
The panels will sag in the center and wont drain on a shallow pitch this will cause soiling. Not that acess is difficult for clening but i would add some syphon drain clips, cost pennies will make a big difference
I have only recently found your channel. This was amazing. I really enjoyed the video and detail and of course the bit of fun at work too. As someone noted earlier, it would be great to see the stats specifically for usage and generation. 🎉 loved it !
Payback illustration must be a work or art. Should include cable maintenance, and weekly cleaning costs. £60k just so you have tiny elec bills really doesn't make much sense to me though
We paid just over half that for a very similar system with higher quality panels and more battery storage and I can safely say that this will almost never get’s its money back in the lifetime of the batteries (most expensive component).
Return on Investment (ROI), not payback.
As soon as you start talking about payback everyone will quote a payback period expressed in years, which doesn't tell if it is commercially worthwhile installing the panels, and the reason electricians do that is because they are unable to do any other kind of analysis.
What you need to do is calculate the pence per kWh of the electricity generated by the panels and compare that to the ppkWh for electricity from the national grid (you also need to include the standing charge and VAT but that's easy).
Do you ever use bifacial panels on your installations? And have you done any videos showing that format of panels?
I was just thinking of commenting how bifacial panels would be better for this project if floor would be reflective/white.
@@vedranartbifacial are not going to be great with a van der vaalk system. I would personally only recommend bifacial on a proper ground mount installed on tables
Hmmm Solar edge is not the only optimised system that you can monitor queue Enphase! But any system can be monitored queue Tigo So not all systems that need to be monitored need to be solar edge ;)
Jiggery pokery comment from John is spot on. Translates to pain in the arse lol.
Were there any planning permissions required, due to the change of use of the tennis court?
Not sure about change of use but for any ground mount over 9 sqm you need planning permission.
Title says ‘at home’. I was thinking it was at Jordan’s gaff. 😂
Hopefully summer will start soon in the UK for them to give it a real test. It was great until June. July and August has been shocking. Good luck, looks fantastic.
Can't wait!
A fair number of those panels seem to be in shade at various times during the filming. If that was the only place for the solar farm, then I'd probably have thought about microinverters rather than strings, as this tends to be much more efficient in slightly shaded systems.
Easy enough to trim the trees back.
That being said. Any light is light. I’d have opted for a more efficient panel like the Maxeon 6 which has less degradation over time too, plus their new AC version with enphase micro inverters look the dogs.
It's SolarEdge so it works in a similar way to micro inverters. Each panel has an optimiser and allows the panels on the strings to decouple from each other, so if one panel is shaded it doesn't lower the output of the other unshaded panels.
Who uses micro inverters now? SolarEdge is specially designed for shaded arrays
1:20 can always trust rexel to drop your materials to you at 4.32pm when it's time to go home even though you asked for morning 😂😂😂
Hahaha usual 😂
Guys, you have all this knowledge between you all, yet no one thought about buying a REAL compass.
John MVP anyways that’s some trick for the pipe
Might be silly questions but
1) why east west instead of just south?
2) OR is the wind taking care of reorientation? Are those slabs enough? Why not bolt it down?
Over a day they get more total hours of sun hitting the panels doing east/west. Higher intensity just aiming south but it's for a shorter period just in the middle of the day. The combined rating of the panels is such that they can max out their inverter capacity throughout a longer day even without aiming south. They could have included some pointing south but in this particular installation it wouldn't add any more as you are limited by the inverters. It was also pointed out that pointing directly south can reduce overall efficiency of solar panels due to the increased heating effect, so the advantage of direct south is slightly moderated. With the reduction of the price of panels it is becoming more common that people use a higher number of panels pointing east/west rather than a smaller number pointing south. The optimum orientation and number of panels will always depend on the site and the budget.
Fantastic install, well done lads and Artisan. 👍👍👍
Thanks 👌
surely once batteries are charged and house is being serviced the excess electricity is being exported at a fixed rate? All that credit can then be used through winter for charging the batteries at a super low rate
That’s similar to my system which is East, west and some south facing. Although not quite as large as your system it still manages to charge both my Tesla Powerwalls heat the water and run my two air conditioners as well as a bit to the car and grid, and fortunately I also get a FIT payment. One question though, can this system take over in the event of a power failure, does it have a gateway similar to the Tesla gateway??
G,day from Sydney Australia. Great use of space for the solar array. Perfect tip for retrieving lost/broken cables inside large conduit.
Solar edge
I was left wondering about the panel energy production to the inverter- 200% of the interverter and battery storage.
🌏🇭🇲
Glad it was helpful!
you didnt leave a link on screen to the swimming pool episode...
I bought 2pcs 545 JA solar panels to test them,they are amazing,going to add another 8 of them now
Sounds great!
Great work, you guys are truly helping the environment, Brilliant work.
I can see why 10 degrees might be used on a flat roof (visually unobtrusive but wouldn’t 40 or 50 degrees be better for particularly winter generation?
Better for winter generation, especially with bifacial panels, but they’d need to be spaced much further apart otherwise they’d shade the next row.
Bet it’s nice to be doing it on the deck for once!
Haha definitely was 😂
You guys have done a great job 🤓
I am not trying to be troll with this comment but how do your guys turn a profit? My company would have half the people on this and expected that installed in same time as it appears to have taken you guys
Good news Jordan about Octopus allowing non-mcs certified install to export...
Now even DIY installs can have solar and export. 😃
Hi, Is there any volt drop on a run of cables that long? Or don't you not get volt drop on DC?
Not really, a couple of volts wont really matter, since a big string can easily be 800vdc+ and just 12 or 13 amps on a 6mm² cable.
No, no, definitely no volt drop on DC. It doesn't exist. You can have a cable 1km long if you like...no problem ...
This is a very special case where ohms law does not apply. It's magical ...
Actually the voltage drop on DC is even bigger when on AC. I thought it was strange they didn't even make the calculations to figure out how much voltage they were losing with those long DC cables. It might not be a huge loss but still...
@@1idd0kun And you didn't pass your electrician's qualifications, did you ?
Because you have a poor grasp of the fundamentals.
@@deang5622you do get voltage drop on DC lol
Great work Artisans. I’d like to know what’s the return on investment on a system this large.
Great job, but I wonder if these concrete tiles will hold up in a windstorm. A strong current of air under these panels is enough to create a cascading effect.
That tennis court is quite sheltered with all the trees around it. I doubt wind will be a problem
I was wondering that too. In the US you'd be required to use several times that amount of ballast.
@@niktak1114 It would be much better and easier to screw these rails with 12mm screws, probably the costumer didn't want to damage the tennis court
@@araujofi yeah I was expecting them to use ground screws. Perfect application for it.
Absolutely no need to fix it the floor. Sure they would have used the van der vaalk planner that does the wind load calc to work out the ballast.
It will easily stand up to a storm
having pity for the tense players what a wonderful place to play was that. .but need of solar means the existing supply is not reliable. .. like our supplier raised the cost of a unit
with lot of cuts. ...
Should get a charity fund to stick some panels on the roof of the The Centre for
Computing History as they are in your area.
It'll be good when we get to the point where youve got electric naterial handling machines... ive been thinking how cool it would be to have an electric pallet jack for getting heavy loads out of the pickup...
Just put an ammeter on each string at midday and you will instantly see if one string is not performing properly at peak output and pigeon poo guano is obvious visibly and each panel has three bypass diodes so optimisers are not necessary
Solaredge is massive added complexity for minimal benefit
for a very expensive price
Fabulous guys great workmanship great set up 😎👏🇮🇪
Thanks 👍
Pls name the exact specification of these 500W solar panel. GE? Means "General Electric"? or?
Well done boys, nice one.
Thank you kindly
I normally say Optimisers are a waste of time and money (snake oil perhaps?), but installing on a shaded east/west site and probably constantly soiled panels, maybe they will be some use for a change?
Wow. What a job. Were you not able to consider a simple mechanical lever elevation adj for summer/winter?
I was wondering about that also, increasing the angle in winter would help increase production right? I like ground mounted panels for the ability to mount them in the right direction and easy access for changing the angles. Cleaning access is also easier in this setup. I also like install where the panels are above grass, veggie gardens or sheds but then you need council approval and cost goes up.
Great Install why not show us how to do the solar edge commissioning process ? Only asking as it one of the few inverters I haven’t installed myself
Dead simple, download their setapp, scan the qr code on the side of the inverter, then run through the wizard on your phone.
Why not install south facing ?
How many have tipped over in mild blows because the arrays were not anchored?
3:00 - Could to have had one last game on the tennis court before you dismantled it 😆
Should of had a tournament with the team 😂
60K and a system that ''almost'' runs a house 100% of the time. How long will payback take if the system never needs servicing or repair. I am not convinced.
I would have dropped the two left rows down a panel. That's close to the fence considering they want access.
Never see them speed bump cable management before
$76,100 usd. These are feel good projects from homeowners. Cost wise it will never make sense to get off grid
So what? It’s their money.
Here in Germany you could have 30kWp (without Battery) installed for like 30.000 USD or buy the Materials for like 8.000 USD and install by yourself. I bet at least 10.000 of the 60.000 GBP are going for the Solaredge inverters alone.
I bet at least 10.000 of the 60.000 GBP are going for the Solaredge inverters alone.
Cost-wise buying a TV, or a car, or joining a gym, or fancy clothes, or a meal in a restaurant, or a vacation, or a new kitchen, or installing heating instead of wearing a coat indoors will never pay for themselves. Where does this weird obsession with renewables needing to be cost negative come from? 🤷♂️
@@flipschwipp6572 What's the best place to look for used solar panels nowdays in Germany. The old market places have gone crazy and not worth it anymore.
A friends barn needs more panles. 15kw inverter but only a couple of kw of panels installed yet. Looking for used.
why use paving slabs to anchor it down ,could have use spikes driven into the ground
anybody have thoughts on the necessity for earth bonding lugs? I've watched numerous installs from artisan and they dont seem to earth panels?
Any planning permission etc required for this large array/set up
Yeah planning permission was required
This install definitely exceeds 9m² surface area therfore would've gone through planning
Most work a team of sparks have ever done 😂
Won't the shade from the trees be a problem?
If i had £60000 to spare i would never do this.
My simple quotation for 12 panels and 5 KWh battery was £8500 . That works out 33p per KWh produced.
This must be well over £1 per KWh. WHY do people do this???
That is crazy😮 I need it in Czechia😂😅😊 (Czechoslovakia)
Wow all the way over there! Glad to have you watching our videos 👍
So what is the estimated payback in years for this installation?
its never gonna payback for itself. i can buy lots of power for 60j
Customer designed it like this purely for the export of energy back to the grid. He will probably get about £500 p/m from the power he generates. Works out to be about 10% yield.
I don't think I've seen a layout of panels so flat, and with the 2nd row angled away from the first. Why was this layout/angle chosen?
It's an east/west array which is supposed to do quite well in our lattitude and is used on most of the arrays in farmland that I have seen. It gets better coverage of early and late sun which a purely south array would largely miss but obviously all static arrays are a compromise. It also makes perfect sense of the over sized wrt the inverters set-up, you will never get 100% out of such an array but you will get a longer day.
is it about securing the electricity supply for an entire village?
13:34 Now you already have shadows on the square. That's not suitable.
At an inclination of 15 to 20°, self-cleaning would already have taken place. 10° is very flat. Set up correctly, it should have been 40°, but then there are shadows
Tell Van Der Valk as they make this system & it is in wide spread use.
This is absolutely hilarious 😂 great watch 👏
Glad you enjoyed it
Lot easier when the the ballast can stay on the ground🙈
What an awesome setup. Cheers
Glad you like it
Does british power companies offer net metering? like say this home is regularly outputting 10kw a day in the summer to the grid will they get a credit on their account that then allows them to use that credit during winter, when they aren't producing much which could offset the bill over the years time
yh there are companies that offer it
also.. 30 kw of panels but 17k of inverters.. means you gonna blow mosfets when sun reappears back from clouds.
60k just for the panels or the whole Installation?
Great job and neat installation. Where can I can those pants you guys are wearing??
Thats a HUGE cost for 62 panels ground mounted and only 30 kWh of battery.
Batterys will only cost £10k...
My 28 kWh only cost me £9k and that includes the 20% vat.
i have jasolar 460w 12 panels, they are lovely :)
How long would ot take to make your money back on 60 grands worth of solar panels
Great project, but a couple of Solar Edge questions. You stated a 200% DC power to AC power ratio? Surely that’s too high. The data sheet for the SE5000 & SE6000 states a 155% ratio - you need to check that I think. Also, are you using export limitation at all? What happens if you are producing 17kW, the batteries are full and the house has minimal consumption. Without export limitation the balance will be exported to the grid & will cause DNO issues unless you have approval to export that much. I’m sure you have thought of these points. 🤞
Can never get my head round this max oversize on panels. The inverter will only draw up to its rated capacity ( plus a %OL) making more power available won’t make it generate more as long as you don’t exceed the dc string input voltage of the inverter I can’t see it matters. When we connect a motor inverter to the grid we don’t worry that the grid has more power available than the inverter can handle, or am I missing something here.
It won’t ever reach the peak, being east west. Half the time the off axis ones will probably get 200w while the ones on the sun side will be getting 450 or so. If it was on a roof and all pointing south you would be maybe peaking it for a bit around 12. They didn’t mention if it was 1 or 3 phase but likely 1 or 3 100a 24kw feeds. I’d guess neighbours have similar and a good chance of using it up before the substation gets bothered. Also probably long runs between properties and substation too.
@@johnwarwick4105 I installed a diy system last year for my own home, On one of the strings I used a EPever 100A charge controller, rated to handle 150%, so max array for 24V system is stated as 3750W, I contacted EPever and asked can I overpanel if I don't exceed the max input voltage, from memory 150V (I think), which I didn't , they said no, not given a clear explanation, just that it can't exceed the short circuit current?, I actually installed 4500W in the end, all's working well, its south facing and ground mounted at 30% with no shading
@@IanFarquharson2I’m not sure I totally agree with that. At mid day in the summer then both E & W facing will be similarly illuminated- maybe not to 100%, but pretty close - which is exactly the point I’m making.
@@robertharvey9698 ye, we have an east/west installation at work, 14 no 440 watt panels both sides, roughly 15 degree pitch, so roughly 12.3kW, I've seen it hit 10kW mid day
I thought optimal fixed angle for the UK was facing directly south and at 36 degrees from the horizontal. I tried east/west config on my shed(12 degrees) and the output was dismal throughout the year compared to my south facing roof(28degrees). Not having a go just curious as to the design.
The due south thing is a true if you're going single string, doing an east-west install gives more energy overall, but requires twice the number of panels. They've over sized on the panels to compensate for picking a poor installation angle. My understanding is that installation system used is for flat roofs where a more conventional angle may not be desirable or achievable due to planning rules etc. At 10 degrees on a winters day it might be better to switch the system off to save power - particularly with ground mounting in an area with boundary shrubberies.
If available space on a wall mounting becomes better in the winter light the further north you are.
In this east-west configuration the panels work no matter where the sun is, so I would just have ignored the compass and installed them at right angles to the tennis court. Room for more panels and looking tidy.
So if you set your east-west configuration to north-south would be the same as you stated?
@@DumahBrazorf Not the same, but at this low angle, I suspect the results would be similar. The panels are just a few degrees from being level with the ground, and I hope we can agree that at 0 degrees, the results would be the same independent of direction. On industrial building flat roof installations, they usually follow the direction of the building, but buildings are not necessarily aligned with true north.
This was a cool project. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
The same speaking tube was used on the Titanic🤓
safety meeting gone out the windows 1:28
Can you use mirrors to bounce sunlight for solar panels to maximize the output
You certainly could do that
Great job guys, but disappointing at the end because it would of been interesting to know how the oversized Solar edge worked! At the 27:00 in the video I notice the pipe work was left open and the cables run into an open cage. This might be encourage small rodents to run through and chew the cables!, did you take any further steps to provent this?
We did end up covering the gap!
Do you need new planning approval to install this many panels
lovely install just not sure about the basket.
maybe use some rubber feet and cut some 1inch tray.
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Or 20mm galvanized conduit with rubber ramps each side of conduit 😊
Thanks for the tip!
@@artisanelectrics your welcome if you ever want a collaboration let me know. like your channel 😎👌
18:49 why the fork on the belt lmao