d3o advanced motorcycle armour - trauma test
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- d3o is now making motorcycle armour from its proprietary ultra-flexible, impact resistant foam. The new armour is incredibly thin, so it can be built into fashion protective gear that doesn't make you look like a power ranger on your bike.
But how does it perform against a standard, thick foam CE protector like you'd find in most motorcycle leathers? Loz donated his body to the cause of finding out.
There is something about grown men hitting each other with a pan, that gets me every time.
I totally respect your test, and yes, I'm sure that hurt. That being said, I crashed my motorcycle last year with D3O in my armor, and I walked away. That stuff REALLY works.
+Joshua Pappas this stuff have to become stronger with stronger impact, so theoretically - hit harder, to make the pain lower... Seems bizarre, isn't it? )
+Joshua Pappas where did you order it?
+Kray Zee Depends...harder isn't always better, the harder is a protection the more energy transfers to the body, and if the impact is very strong the material becomes so hard that it shatters like glass.
+Modelero , Sure it’s far from perfect that’s why “theoretically”. However, the perfect one is really nuts. The perfect transfers all the kinetic energy to the energy of chemical bounds. It’s really nuts and it’s possible in theory but in the real life it hurts)
there are people who crashed in normal jeans and jacket and walked away....... this vid and tons of forum-talk proves time over time again that thickness and a certain amount of "starting hardness" is crucial to real life protection. Like he said, D30 is still mostly looking into getting the protectors as thin as possible instead of delivering even better protection than already available.
Well, the stuff is too thin EVER to give decend protection.
also, true, it gets "stiff" and holds the impact after certain distance of impact...
But how about impactenergydispersion?
you can be sure a thicker protector with a thin, harder scale works best.
they have a natural way of spreading the impact over a lager surface ....
I have the tryonic backprotector and it is made this way.
It's "just" a harder scale with EPS faced towards you spline...
I can tell you from 6 (thats SIX) hard crashes over 160km-h on the track , banging on the tarmac, a concrete wall and metalfence that I NEVER EVER FELT ANYTHING of pain on my back!!!
Sure it's "thick" but this is as good as it gets.
Why do you think helmets dont use sastec or similar?
Just something about a giggling guy whacking another giggling guy with a frying pan that's really funny.
Could you have tried 2 pieces of d30 in one elbow / arm placement to test double thickness strength?
I love how scientific the test was :p
From your laughter, he apparently was NAILING your funny bone! Thanks for the info! Hopefully there was no permanent damage.
My understanding is that D30 acts as a non-newtonian fluid, so it's hardening protection is directly correlated to amount of force used. Your mate was just kind of tapping you with that frying pan, so it may have had limited effect compared to ridged armor, but the harder he hit you, the more effective the D30 would become. Also the angle of attack he was using was different on each elbow, the more direct hit on the traditional armor may have redirected the force better and made it feel more effective.
Im sorry, but I dont understand 😅
its ok i do
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That's the test that I really wanted to see, and I think that we have to wait a little bit more. Please contact to them and be the test man of their new staff and publish the results again. Good luck.
it's crazy to see where we've come with armor now. SAS-tec lvl 2 is out now and it's insane.
Martin, as someone who experienced almost exactly the same accident and received an open book pelvic fracture (exactly what it sounds like) I couldn't agree more.
@awwylde Correct, but the material absorbs energy while it's hardening which is how it protects you initially, then the hardness takes over to spread what's left over the surface of the material. Traditional padding just spreads energy with little absorbtion leading to a more traumatic impact on your body, which is why the d3o would be better if it was thicker as it would absorb even more energy before it made it to your body.
Remember faster the speed the better it works. Seem to have been hitting slowly.
Even after all these years, this is still hilarious!
I definitely made my mind up after your video, thank you very much for that!
Could you make this test again, but with the newer versions? The D3O level 1 pads have become a little thicker (10 mm) and the level 2 (14 mm) pads have come out as well. I've thought about buying D3O and i love this hones review, but i don't think it is worth that much when it is testing outdated products.
+FMLeprechaun I think Noel would love to do this test again. Me not so much.
FMLeprechaun how was this a test of outdated products? You were commenting on a 6 year old video at the time. Do you also view reviews of 2010 motorcycle models and complain that they're not testing the latest models as well?
the video is 9 years old :D but still useful , however D3o have thicker pads now CE Level 2 :) so more protection
here's a thought about the subject, insert small armor platelets at the non mobility crucial areas and use D3O as a shock absorbing pad.
Sir do u mean d3o in the inside layer and armor platelets on the outside? Or the other way around
Thanks for saving my money ;)
That is a great scientific research test, although, I start to wonder who was having more fun with that scientific research test, the hit with the frying pan or the guy wearing the jacket. LOL 😎😀😆😄
@vineethkuruvath but as part of this padding kit - they include scissors to trim down the armour to fit into your jacket. If it were layered with liquid wouldn't it leak? And wouldn't there also be a risk it would leak if punctured? I've not heard of this risk - i assumed there is no liquid in it.
Maybe someone can correct me on this, but if the d3o armour becomes stiffer and more protective the harder it's impacted, wouldn't it be better the harder you crashed? So, for example, it will do more for someone hitting the road at 60mph than someone being whacked with a frying pan? Or am I missing something?
were did you get the sample of D3o used at the beginning?
I am a french student who want to make a research about non newtonien fluids so I would like to get a sample of D3o? I would be pleased to have an answer
thank you
Interesting. Perhaps you could try wearing both foam and d3o pads together, testing the d3o on the inside and the outside.
If they start making really light and slim armour, I might start wearing in in my everyday life. I want some in my shoes in the event i stub my toes, some for my knees for when I smash my knee into the table etc. :)
that is more scientific than what i came up with i would have rolled down the stairs
Lol, thumbs up just for the cornstarch joke.
Correct me if I'm wrong but could D3O be used to prevent bullet injury with the help of Bulletproof materials?
I'm not convinced ... Hit 'im again ...
Correct me if I'm wrong.., but doesn't ICON produce a radical looking STRYKER armor set with D3o technology? Furthermore from the looks of it they have applied the intelligent dispersion system within a injected molded shelll..
For mountain biking what’s the best thing to aim for knee pad wise? D30 or Plastic?
Would you recommend that as backprotector? I mean in theory my spine could still break if it gets bend the other way. D3O doesnt protect there, doesnt it?
great video, thanks very much.
I feel like they could use that stuff under the foam of a helmet
I think helmet would become way too heavy
dude, he showed you it doesnt work
well, it works, but only if applied on the same thickness and they appearently dont want too
second thing is its too unstable when not in a crash
it's a "fluid", your helmet would be moving around a lot....
not something I want my helmet to do
lillnemo1 dude i posted this comment 2 years ago i dont care
and I dont care if its 2 years ago and if you care about it. you've got some long toes
They do use them in football helmets for the NFL
way of verification of d3o is interesting ww
I've wanted to find some testing of that armor for some time. Thanks.
How am i only finding out about this 13 years later?
Flexible with heat? What about abrasion resistance once that asphalt has worn your jacket away (esp textile)? They'll find you in the ditch as there will be an orange goo stain leading the way.
One side hurts more? uh...would that be the side being hit on the point of your elbow???
My D3O chest protector has been broken because of bending inside scooter trunk! So I have used it for less than one mone month. How that thing can save me?
It hurt more on the D3O side due to being hit directly on your elbow. The other side was more toward your forearm. The pressure was dispersed on a larger area on the stock armor side. There for less pain. Though your video was well put together, the basis for your conclusion, and your opinion is invalid due to the lack of consistency.
but still entertaining.
@vineethkuruvath What i mean is: the d3o company's ability to solidify an otherwise non-newtonian fluid while retaining it's non-newtonian fluid characteristics (but now in a manageable rubber-like solid), is a central part of their patent profile.
I wish i knew how to do it.
I was hoping to put some around my car to protect from car collision caused by other drivers, i hope it works to ABSORB some shock and prevent damages.
Can't find any bull or grille bar online for any cars, but for suv , truck, and jeep.
It hurt so much he was giggling the entire time
That was the most accurate test ive seen!😂😂😂😂
for the comment about ce certification. the klim backpad is ce level 2
I agree with you with the thickness if you could feel the pain on just a pan can you imagine if you hit the floor or hit a guardrail or a piece of Rock we all had seen the UA-cam videos
I believe this video is pretty old but I like it anyway. I’ve got loads of armour from several companies. I believe Knox and Forcefield makes the best but 3do seems to get most of the publicity for some reason. I ride with a mix of Knox (pretty thick but now also visco- elsastic and temp stable). Also forcefield which is firmer but thinner and also temp-stable visco-elastic. So everybody’s got into visco-elastic. 3do came late to a temp stable compound.
The test is valid. I hit myself with a hammer, the flat part, to test my armour. Although all my stuff is CE level - there are still levels of pass rates.
Scientific methods, hurt.
Great guys, awesome material!
3:14 you guys are officially scientists
Noting to do with the wild pig being shot on this video , we all just hate to see anything being killed with a gun!
So much murder we all see today, we love to eat ham, pork chops and ribs especially baby back ribs,
But we don’t wanna see any creature being murdered especially shot in the head, WE DONT WANNA SEE THIS LIVE IS THE PROBLEM!
What's the thickness of this D3O?
Thanks a lot!
Pain doesn't have anything to do with it. It's a matter of keeping bones from breaking. CE standards for the limb armor are based on the impact energy it can handle, not the force level it transmits. Over the mark for force, bone breaks. If the impact energy(input) is over the limits of the material, the armor has no effect at all. D3O needs nearly double the thickness of Forcefield astrosorb to pass 1621-1.
Funny as hell! Thanks!
I'd want to use that current D3O pad as a kind of lining
thanks so much
What about a .22 a .38 a .357 mag and a .44 mag?
Science. Excellent. Yes.
but is it made for impact or the slide??
Wouldn't you say it's thin to the point you could actually put 2 sets of armour in your gear comfortably. Good idea or stupid?
Considering they have vent holes, you could easily tie 2 of them on top of eachother quite easily, they'd stay in place.
What if it was designed to be put into the pads, so it's like an otter box case for your body?
There's impact, and there's abrasion resistance
this is much more fun make more!!!
Great film!
I'm guessing BMW uses the same armor (same orange color) in their jackets. However, the armor in my BMW jackets is a fair bit thicker than the d30 you show in your clip Maybe that's the ticket?
How about using the D3O in pairs?
They sell 2 different elbow armor thicknesses, this was the thin one
is there a way we can just get that putty version of it
but will it blend?
About 9-years late to this party. Great vid.
The thing that bothers me about that test liquid sent by D3O is that it was at least 3 inches deep. If you poured most of it out, leaving the same level as the height of the elbow protectors, I suspect you’d hurt your fingers pretty bad. So this super thin armor just seems a bit gimmicky. Is there a threshold like, say, 3mm? How could such a thin layer possibly disperse energy from a get-off? If the stuff was thicker, it might stand to reason.
3 years late to this comment but these D3O pads all have certification based on how much force it transmits from an impact so you can find the actual numbers.
It’s true that the thin pads don’t protect enough to protect you in a bad crash but they do a surprisingly good job at stopping force transmission and it’s enough to protect you in low speed crashes, and it’s far better than a foam pad of the same thickness and it’s also more flexible. For going around town they’re great, since you can hide them in casual clothing.
Basically these thin D3O pads are equivalent to substantially thicker foam pads common in old motorcycle gear.
On highways and stuff though it’s smart to get the thicker pads since they’re not too bulky either and they do a great job absorbing impact.
My personal experience is I fell off my bike at 50kmh and smacked my knee on a curb wearing rev it jeans with the thinnest “D3O” armour, it was bruised pretty bad but it didn’t have any lasting injury. I’m sure it would’ve been messed up without the thin armour, and I’m also sure it’d be messed up if I was going much faster.
where can ı buy this D3o gel ?
can you compare Knox armor to Forcefield armor next?
brilliant!
I wonder why you think making D3O thicker would be any different? The whole thing turns rock hard upon impact, doesn't it? Or maybe not. Let's say you have a 10-inche thick layer of D3O. That's very, very thick. Now if you hit it with a sledge hammer, it would take sightly more time to completely harden than a layer of D3O that was only 2 inches thick. That delay (1/1000 of a second approx.) in hardening time provides a cushion effect, I guess.
The thinner armour doesn’t completely harden in an impact. It’s still slightly flexible. This is because it has additives to keep it in a solid shape rather than a liquid, and also becuase the interactions between the molecules still don’t make a totally hard material.
A thicker armour will definitely give you more stiffness in a crash, and since it’s very slightly flexible even under impact it’ll help disperse the force across the inner surface better than a thin armour.
The force is transmitted below the impacting surface in a wide triangle, and a thicker armour will make the base of that triangle wider which therefore spreads out that impact across your body more. If D3O wasn’t non Newtonian that triangle would be much skinner and sharper, not spreading that force out nearly as much.
so what. you can buy two pieces and stick them together in each joint, dont you? they sell separately and you can buy two for each joint...
hello, Where can I Buy d3o liquid gel?
where can wew buy these pads?
So.. you had multiple d30 pads and you didn't come to think about putting 2 or 3 of them in there? You know, that does count as "thicker" :)
can it stop a bullet ?
Just like non newtonian fluid....
haha, thanks for the sacrifice :)
Where do u get that
Great test, well done....
are you still playing Toady on Neighbours?
combine the two. the d30 as the outer and the softer on the inside
do u mind hitting faster? they said the reaction works better at high speed.
as u can see in this video and the one the d3o ceo let himself be hit in the head. he was hit a lot faster than u were. if u dont mind gizmag
Can you make a video again and test again
Do you have a source for this claim? Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to read further into it.
is it d30 ?
or is it
d3o ?
d30 is fully made for bromance
what if you put the rigid armour over the d3o
It would kinda defeat the purpose of D3O. Rigid armour with foam is always going to be the best option because it spreads the force over nearly 100% of the surface of the armour. D3o is meant to do the same but remain flexible for comfort. Adding a hard plate over top would basically just turn the armour piece into a regular bit of rigid armour with the same protection, maybe even less because the “foam” d3o backing won’t be soft under impact and wouldn’t conform to your elbow.
Where can I get D3O? I'm a American and I want to shoot it. For Science.
These knee pads containing D30 doesn't work. I put the knee pads and wacked it with a hammer. It hurt and the D30 didn't even harden. Such a waste of money.
the d3o stuff rukka uses in their gear is about as thick as the regular protector shown in the vid...go figure
thumbs up for frying pan test lmao
Yep, Icon Stryker Rig and Icon Stryker Vest.
Take the stuff out the jar. Put it on the table. Hit it with a hammer. Note how it barely changes shape at all.
Put your old pad on table. hit that with a hammer. Watch as it breaks.
Looool, English way of testing if staff works hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
I've got knocked off of my motorbike the other day, tested my d3O - not very convinced after that experience, got my elbow peeled and bruised...inconclusive they r really good protectors.
There's a jokey comment about genital protection above. Probably from someone who has not had a serious impact in that area. I have. I hit the rear of my motorcycle tank hard with my groin when I collided head-on with an oncoming car. The resulting surgery doesn't bear thinking about. I'm lucky to still function fully. So some of this stuff in underwear similar to a cricket "box" is something I would seroiusly consider. And no joke.
thanks i was looking for someone real it definantly looked like it was too thin maybe if i could fit this under a diffrent type of armor then yea i would buy it
Unfortunately, it's sold/marketed as 1 piece per joint.
BUT I LIKE FEELING LIKE A POWER RANGER!