【Alishan Forest Railway】Cargo Train Cab Ride (1st Switch ➜ Alishan)

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2020
  • 00:33 - 62.5 Km
    02:10 - 1st Switch 第一分道
    08:06 - 2nd Switch 第二分道
    18:14 - Erwanping 二萬平
    28:30 - Sacred Tree(3rd Switch) 神木(第三分道)
    35:20 - Alishan(4th Switch) 阿里山(第四分道)
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    Opening Music: Easy Lemon 30 Second, by Kevin MacLeod(incompetech.com/music/royalty-...)
    Video recorded on 1 Sep. 2020
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 173

  • @Lex5576
    @Lex5576 3 роки тому +7

    Working on this railway has got to be considered one of the world's "perfect" jobs. You're up there in that beautiful forest, the train doesn't go too fast, and the cargo doesn't seem too overbearing and cumbersome. Almost like a Pettycoat Junction way of life.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @traveling_gaja644
    @traveling_gaja644 3 роки тому +2

    I feel like a fairy is going to come out of the forest.🧚🏻 Beautiful scenery😍

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching 😊😊😊

  • @Joefred77
    @Joefred77 3 роки тому +6

    beautiful, just stunning scenery

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @evilboy3521
    @evilboy3521 3 роки тому +5

    This ride feels like a fever dream, and I love it.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching 😊😊😊

  • @TheMadYetti
    @TheMadYetti 3 роки тому +4

    Instant favorite.
    Insanely beautifull place.
    Great video!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @matthewbushey9455
    @matthewbushey9455 3 роки тому +5

    What a beautiful forested railway! Love the foggy atmospherics as well. Great video!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @joydivisionisnotdead67
    @joydivisionisnotdead67 2 роки тому +2

    Very haunting, mysterious and beautiful. Makes me think of Kurosawa. Nice🌝

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching.
      The foggy forest is always full of mystery.

  • @rosesmith6208
    @rosesmith6208 3 роки тому +11

    taiwan has beautiful forest, cool.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation. If you have the chance, welcome to Alishan, Taiwan. 😊😊😊

  • @wenweigu4415
    @wenweigu4415 3 роки тому +2

    感谢您的精彩视频,特别喜欢从这个视角游览美丽的阿里山!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      感謝您的收看,有機會歡迎您來阿里山😁

  • @Senor0Droolcup
    @Senor0Droolcup 3 роки тому +11

    Another fantastic cabride video of Alishan! Keep 'em coming!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation. There will be another cab ride video released. Coming soon,stay tuned!

  • @Channel4029
    @Channel4029 3 роки тому +5

    Absolutely beautiful. Thank you for posting.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @andrileonardo
    @andrileonardo 3 роки тому +3

    Absolutely stunning! Great video!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @jamesd2128
    @jamesd2128 3 роки тому +7

    Thanks for sharing this, a great little operation that's a pleasure to watch in action.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation.😊😊😊

  • @ravikakhandki7594
    @ravikakhandki7594 3 роки тому +5

    Beautiful forest, fantastic railway and a well made video!!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation. There must be many videos about Alishan Forest Railway.😊😊😊

  • @colliecandle
    @colliecandle 3 роки тому +2

    i thought at first this was in Japan - the railway and it's infrasructure are similar to Japan - both top quality and professional operation. A very beautiful country, and one i know very little of, but the learning is a wonderful experience. Thank you for your excellent video.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @tramways_1435
    @tramways_1435 3 роки тому +2

    High on the list of places I would like to visit once.. In the meantime I'll have to do with this beautiful video. Thank you for sharing it!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation. Please come by my country 😊😊😊

  • @Soundsoftheworld
    @Soundsoftheworld 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you so much for such a nice video! Taiwan is great! I'd like to visit this beautiful country and stay for at least one month there.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Please come by my country 😁

    • @Soundsoftheworld
      @Soundsoftheworld 3 роки тому +2

      @@fpk1234 thank you for invitation!

  • @IronGun52
    @IronGun52 3 роки тому +1

    Its like asmr on low volume on my headphones i fell asleep and the rail line is pretty

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      I often see this film falling asleep, it’s suitable for watching when I have insomnia. 😅

  • @MsMst12
    @MsMst12 3 роки тому +7

    beautiful, wish i was there

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation.
      Welcome to Taiwan 🇹🇼😊

  • @gusevans2103
    @gusevans2103 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the video. Taiwan looks amazing

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @saidbakr
    @saidbakr 3 роки тому +3

    Great scenes and amazing engineering.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @jafaryazid5865
    @jafaryazid5865 3 роки тому +3

    I ' m from Indonesia, thank you for video , i like it ,n very beautiful forest in Taiwan, i want to there, one time

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation.
      Welcome to Alishan, Taiwan.😊

  • @havelock.vetinari
    @havelock.vetinari 3 роки тому +6

    Oh man, this video beautiful too...
    I'm sharing on facebook. I want my friends to see it.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and sharing 😊😊😊
      I wish your friends will like this video

  • @TrainsOnGoPro
    @TrainsOnGoPro 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome Video!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @souravpal9546
    @souravpal9546 3 роки тому +2

    Beautiful ❤️

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @joydivisionisnotdead67
    @joydivisionisnotdead67 2 роки тому +1

    Literally up in the Clouds

  • @user-mb5jj9li8w
    @user-mb5jj9li8w 3 роки тому +2

    大自然的生活,嘉伟和我都喜欢。

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      我也很喜歡😁

  • @katharinaadesanya9146
    @katharinaadesanya9146 3 роки тому +1

    ..amazing and beautiful..!!!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching 😊😊😊

  • @TheDetailGuys
    @TheDetailGuys 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @graemerummler9581
    @graemerummler9581 3 роки тому +1

    Very Interesting but a great video. Regards from Australia where it is a lot flatter here.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @edgardojaviercanu4740
    @edgardojaviercanu4740 3 роки тому +1

    It´s so beautiful...

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @TheFingerman37
    @TheFingerman37 3 роки тому +19

    What an amazing railway. How tall is that mountain, it seemed to go on forever. It also seems like a natural part of the forest..

    • @kameins
      @kameins 3 роки тому +4

      The altitude of the destination station Alishan is 2,216 m.

  • @pawels72full
    @pawels72full 3 роки тому +2

    Super. Super. Super

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @user-ph8hw9qn8q
    @user-ph8hw9qn8q 3 роки тому +5

    Какое красивое место!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Спасибо за просмотр и признательность 😊😊😊

  • @telcelmagdalena6288
    @telcelmagdalena6288 3 роки тому +1

    Ke chulada, hermoso lugar.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Gracias por su atención y aprecio. 😊😊😊

  • @joseirineuaraujo1738
    @joseirineuaraujo1738 3 роки тому +1

    e uma. floresta. muito. bonita. Parabéns

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊

  • @sweatshopjesus
    @sweatshopjesus 3 роки тому +1

    Feels like I'm lying on a couch, which I am, but that the couch is bolted on to the back of the train, all healthy and safe, and I've no fear or danger of falling off, no more than I do now. The frontwards facing one also but the backwards facing one soothed moreso. I think, on viewing further, hence the edit, that what it is is that the frontwards facing sections were thrilling and promising whereas the backwards facing sections left one with a feeling of nostalgia for the moment one is in. But yeah, even a bucket seat gaffa taped on to the back with your legs dangling, some manner of seatbelt arrangement, again gaffa tape would suffice. Guerilla Glue. I don't have a Degree in Moon.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching. I'm glad you liked this video.

  • @lemon2524
    @lemon2524 2 роки тому +1

    Nice.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  2 роки тому

      Thanks for watching 😊😊😊

  • @user-ky1bv8xe1h
    @user-ky1bv8xe1h 3 роки тому +1

    雲霧繚繞的感覺 我喜歡

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      我也很喜歡這種感覺

    • @user-ky1bv8xe1h
      @user-ky1bv8xe1h 3 роки тому +1

      @@fpk1234 不好意思,我想問一下,要怎麼樣才可以想你一樣在那邊工作?
      每次反覆看你的影片都會有一種,將來有機會想到阿里山林鐵服務的想法

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      大約每2年林鐵處會辦理新進人員考試,請留意考試資訊,祝你有天成為林鐵大家庭的一員😊

  • @Notch8
    @Notch8 3 роки тому +3

    Stunning scenery. Seems so peaceful riding along. Different then the type of railroads video I post on my channel. 😊 What are the yellow tags on the trees indicating?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +3

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊
      Trees with yellow labels indicate a potential risk of falling. Although they are not in immediate danger, you still need to pay attention to them

  • @parullad4367
    @parullad4367 3 роки тому +1

    Hello. So nice video , I liked this video very much as I love nature and train in nature maybe more fantastic and awesome . The speed of the train and the clean breeze of the nature and the greenery is so good 👍😀 I liked it very much. Remind you, that it's very difficult to make trains in forests, so we should appreciate their hard work 🎉👍👏. I would like to travel in such train. By the way where is this train found? Whoever knows pls tell me.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching. I'm glad you liked this video.
      This train is in Alishan Township, Chiayi County, Taiwan.

  • @orgcoast5990
    @orgcoast5990 3 роки тому +2

    Very interesting. My first visit to Taiwan. Great looking forest. I'm curious as to the function of the middle rail. Is it a helper for the curves?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation 😊😊😊
      That rail is called a "guard-rail", and its function is to hold the wheels in a curved section to prevent the train from derailing.

  • @jan-akemagnusson4559
    @jan-akemagnusson4559 3 роки тому +3

    Wonderful video! But one would like to see how the train looks like, what kind of locomotive

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching. The following is the composition of this train:
      GK+G+G+G+DL
      GK=gondola car with brake van
      G=gondola car
      You could refer to this video
      ua-cam.com/video/TDVICL6dfAQ/v-deo.html

    • @user-mc3we5bu2o
      @user-mc3we5bu2o 3 роки тому

      हा.एक बार लोकोमोटिव्ह और रेल्वे दिखाना चाहीये था!

  • @VinayGiliyar
    @VinayGiliyar 3 роки тому +2

    ❤️❤️

  • @kazunoriN
    @kazunoriN 3 роки тому +3

    0:01 The song used in this part is called Easy Lemon.
    .Music link: ua-cam.com/video/zJvhDfYU_LU/v-deo.html

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Yes
      I add this music in video.

  • @buizelmeme6288
    @buizelmeme6288 3 роки тому +1

    Spiral part of the railway?
    Looking forward to see it!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Please watch my video. This is about the spiral climbing route 😁
      ua-cam.com/video/Mehn6REE398/v-deo.html

  • @user-ex6dp8iu9q
    @user-ex6dp8iu9q 3 роки тому +1

    Прекрасный путь свозь сень лесную...Изумрудная страна
    ...

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Спасибо за просмотр и признательность 😊😊😊

  • @arch9enius
    @arch9enius 3 роки тому +1

    It's like a mid 90s computer game, you need to get a 486.
    8:32 Also your NPCs' head is on loose.
    Beats the hell out of Exbury Gardens.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching
      Your description is quite interesting😉

  • @ponfocus
    @ponfocus 3 роки тому +1

    阿里山鐵道過去意外頻傳,目前軌道寬度是2 尺半,在車廂寬度不變下,我覺得應改為3 尺軌

    • @tonychen1062
      @tonychen1062 3 роки тому

      真是天才耶!怎麼所有的人都沒想到?
      最好跟高鐵一樣寬~
      👎🥴

  • @donarunxzein8542
    @donarunxzein8542 3 роки тому +1

    👍👍👍

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching 😊

  • @BR403
    @BR403 3 роки тому +3

    18:44 I think, its RED! STOP!🤯

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +3

      It’s no problem. That is the indicator light of the level crossing, which is shown to the driver of the locomotive behind (the locomotive pushes train at the end of the train). When the interceptor pole of the level crossing is lowered, the light will turn green.

  • @nitthiponk.693
    @nitthiponk.693 3 роки тому +1

    สภาพภูมิประเทศเส้นทางรถไฟที่เป็นธรรมชาติบรรยากาศ มีต้นไม้ น้ำตก หมอก สวยงามมาก

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      ขอบคุณที่รับชมและชื่นชม

  • @NanchattekotuHiro
    @NanchattekotuHiro 3 місяці тому +1

    18:48 WOW(。・о・。)

  • @bernhardwallraff
    @bernhardwallraff 3 роки тому +1

    Zauberwald!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Danke fürs Zuschauen. Dieses Adjektiv ist durchaus angemessen.

  • @telcelmagdalena6288
    @telcelmagdalena6288 3 роки тому +1

    Dónde es este lugar? Ke hermoso.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Esto es en taiwán

  • @Buzzramjet
    @Buzzramjet 3 роки тому +1

    Interesting about these small railways...what is the cargo and where do they go and come from?And where is this forest?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +5

      Thanks for your watching. The train carried sand, gravel and cement for civil engineering. At first, this train was an empty train from Alishan Station to Erwanping(二萬平). The train loaded sand, gravel and cement at Erwanping and then went to 62.5K near the 1st Switch. Finally, the empty train returned to Alishan Station. This is what you see in the video. This forest is located in Alishan Township, Chiayi County, Taiwan 🇹🇼.

    • @bkaas_456
      @bkaas_456 3 роки тому +1

      @@fpk1234 are you Taiwanese ?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Yes, I’m

    • @bkaas_456
      @bkaas_456 3 роки тому

      @@fpk1234 請問你怎麼能拍到工作車?

  • @Vaz917
    @Vaz917 3 роки тому +1

    Красиво))

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your watching and appreciation.

    • @Vaz917
      @Vaz917 3 роки тому

      @@fpk1234 В России тоже есть подобное,но эти места больше впечатляют))

  • @ekoheriyanto70
    @ekoheriyanto70 3 роки тому +1

    Is there any video footage from 1st switch to the lower elevation stations ?
    Because on the Wikipedia map the tracks seems connected..

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      The route from the 1st Switch to the Shizilu(十字路) currently interrupted and is under repair. It will take another 2 years to have a chance to see the cab ride of 1st switch to the lower elevation section.

    • @ekoheriyanto70
      @ekoheriyanto70 3 роки тому +1

      @@fpk1234 ok nice info thanks, so i guess someday, there will be train line from the start point' (Chiayi station) all the way to the top (2451m)....

  • @neimenovani1833
    @neimenovani1833 3 роки тому +1

    i was almost waving to people :P

  • @moumitaghati1900
    @moumitaghati1900 3 роки тому +3

    Drive train in forest but don't kill animals by accident

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      This railway will protect animals as much as possible

  • @Ben-xe8ps
    @Ben-xe8ps 3 роки тому

    What is a 'Switch'? Do you mean a junction where the train reverses?

    • @stephenn1056
      @stephenn1056 3 роки тому

      A switch is a special section of track that allows a train to switch from one section of track to another, hence the name.

  • @4everskiing
    @4everskiing 3 роки тому +1

    Where is this place?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      This is in Taiwan 🇹🇼

  • @kolejoweszlaki
    @kolejoweszlaki 3 роки тому +1

    Polish train EIC 41 VARSOVIA @vvRE

  • @vinodjoshi1807
    @vinodjoshi1807 3 роки тому +1

    Where is the country alisban

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching
      This is in Taiwan 🇹🇼

  • @user-jo7ln4se5e
    @user-jo7ln4se5e 3 роки тому +2

    I am Japanese
    日本語ですみません。 これは貨物をのせるのですか? 人をのせるのですか? もし、人を乗せる列車だったら乗ってみたいです!

    • @hsu-chungchen7468
      @hsu-chungchen7468 3 роки тому +3

      ビデオで映った部分、最初の第一分道から神木駅(28分頃)は未だ定期的な客車列車がありません。神木駅から本線の終点の阿里山駅は定期的な客車列車があります。また本線の始発駅の嘉義駅から途中の十字路駅までは定期的な客車列車があります。十字路駅から第一分道の間は台風で路盤まで崩落され、現在は代替ルートのトンネルを掘った最中でした。

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      阿里山本線の中断により、建設に必要な建設資材を輸送するために貨物列車のみがここに到着します。 時折、不定期団体列車がここに来る。

  • @johnirby493
    @johnirby493 3 роки тому +1

    Where in Middle Earth is that?

  • @user-up1ie6vt8m
    @user-up1ie6vt8m 3 роки тому +1

    Это в Японии или в Китае?, Калия кокая 740?

  • @i.p.knightley6970
    @i.p.knightley6970 3 роки тому +2

    Where is Alishan, please?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +2

      In Taiwan

    • @i.p.knightley6970
      @i.p.knightley6970 3 роки тому

      @@fpk1234 Yes, as the video progressed I noticed foliage and, of course, the people, so I guessed Oriental/Asian. Wonderful trip. A brief ethereal moment 5:15 the train leaves a misty bridge over the bridge.

  • @user-fi8wx2oo6j
    @user-fi8wx2oo6j 3 роки тому +1

    Что возит поезд?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      Спасибо за просмотр. Поезд перевозил песок, гравий и цемент для гражданского строительства. Сначала этот поезд был пустым, от станции Алишань до Эрванпина (二萬 平). Поезд загрузил песок, гравий и цемент в Эрванпине, а затем направился к 1-й стрелке. Наконец пустой поезд вернулся на станцию ​​Алишань. Это то, что вы видите на видео. Пожалуйста, обратитесь к следующему видео, чтобы узнать о ситуации с загрузкой поезда:
      ua-cam.com/video/TDVICL6dfAQ/v-deo.html

    • @user-fi8wx2oo6j
      @user-fi8wx2oo6j 3 роки тому

      @@fpk1234 спасибо !
      Просмотрел с удовольствием .

  • @guygodemont3258
    @guygodemont3258 3 роки тому +1

    Je remarque un truc a 8.13 que ce soit en France ou ailleurs tout les ouvriers perde leur pantalon :)

  • @ALCIDESPC1
    @ALCIDESPC1 3 роки тому +1

    Sobe e desce sem glemaleira, mais inteligente que os ingleses.

  • @johnthompson9602
    @johnthompson9602 3 роки тому +1

    Somebody gets paid to drive that train ...

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      This is a job to be proud of

  • @Barflax
    @Barflax 3 роки тому +1

    What gauge?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      762 mm

    • @Barflax
      @Barflax 3 роки тому +1

      @@fpk1234 Thank you.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      You’re welcome

  • @tmseh
    @tmseh 3 роки тому +1

    Film this at night!

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your watching
      The following is at night
      ua-cam.com/video/kNIrimTD1UE/v-deo.html

    • @tmseh
      @tmseh 3 роки тому +1

      @@fpk1234 Awesome! Thank you.

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому

      You’re welcome 😉

  • @manojsikarwar6666
    @manojsikarwar6666 3 роки тому +2

    分金︹装脉钞盾糒柜卦安緌较林少案块巨少久鯋较

  • @TheMrchement
    @TheMrchement 3 роки тому +1

    This is taiwan, no way

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, this is in Taiwan

  • @electricengine8407
    @electricengine8407 3 роки тому +1

    Lumber tycoon anyone?

    • @fpk1234
      @fpk1234  3 роки тому +1

      This forest belongs to the country. There is no lumber tycoon.

  • @jorgemunozaguilar
    @jorgemunozaguilar 3 роки тому +1

    Arto rara la cuestión, nunca se vió el tren y nunca se dijo donde iban y que iban a hacer. Raro y fome sin ninguna gracia.