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КОМЕНТАРІ • 137

  • @axisboss1654
    @axisboss1654 9 місяців тому +91

    It’s amazing how similar English and German used to be and how both changed over the last 1000 years

    • @cheerful_crop_circle
      @cheerful_crop_circle 8 місяців тому +17

      Even in their current forms , they are still 60% lexically similar

    • @axisboss1654
      @axisboss1654 8 місяців тому +3

      @@cheerful_crop_circletrue

    • @cheerful_crop_circle
      @cheerful_crop_circle 8 місяців тому +2

      @@axisboss1654 BTW, there is a very rare consonant cluster and it is "sht". It exists like a letter in the Bulgarian language like "Щ" and it appears often. It also appears in the English word "shtick". Do you know languages that have this cluster pretty often in their words?

    • @axisboss1654
      @axisboss1654 8 місяців тому

      @@cheerful_crop_circle That’s not that rare

    • @cheerful_crop_circle
      @cheerful_crop_circle 8 місяців тому +1

      @@axisboss1654 It is very rare actually. I dont hear it much in other languages. Even other Slavic languages have that cluster way way less than my language. My language has this cluster more or less often. Italian for example doesn't even have this cluster at all. I think German has this cluster but it still appears way less than in my language

  • @doktorlehar
    @doktorlehar 10 місяців тому +165

    Fascinating. Old High German is still partly intelligible to anyone who speaks modern German, but you can’t say the same for English and Old English.

    • @CinCee-
      @CinCee- 10 місяців тому +45

      There's no Norman influence on Old English. Modern English is heavily influenced by Norman French

    • @Ssj4vegeta212
      @Ssj4vegeta212 10 місяців тому +23

      It is party intelligible. Some of the words are fairly the same... like the words for guilt and today. And lead. Our father, heaven... fæder ure = our father.

    • @Ssj4vegeta212
      @Ssj4vegeta212 10 місяців тому +8

      Even hallowed has the same root word as gehalgod

    • @philomelodia
      @philomelodia 10 місяців тому +14

      Blame the French.

    • @David-ru8xf
      @David-ru8xf 10 місяців тому

      @@Ssj4vegeta212👌

  • @222TK
    @222TK 10 місяців тому +35

    🔆🔅Old Saxon, Old Anglo-Saxon, and Old High German are all different stages of the Old Germanic language, which was spoken in Central and Western Europe between the 5th and 12th centuries. These three linguistic variants are related and have a common origin, but they also have significant differences.
    Old Saxon was spoken in the region of Saxony in present-day Germany and was one of the main variants of West Germanic. Old Anglo-Saxon, in turn, was spoken in England, especially in the regions of Anglia, Saxony and Jutland. Both variants are linguistically close and share many common elements and words.
    High German was spoken in areas of what is now Germany, Austria and Switzerland, among others. It is considered an offshoot of West Germanic, but had a separate evolution from Old Saxon and Anglo-Saxon, mainly due to Latin influences.
    It is important to emphasize that these linguistic variants evolved over time and gave rise to different modern languages. Old Saxon and Old Anglo-Saxon are considered to be ancestors of Low German and Angleish, respectively, while High German evolved into Modern German.🔆🔅

    • @12tanuha21
      @12tanuha21 8 місяців тому +1

      Old Saxon was spoken in the region of Low Saxony, not Saxony. Today Saxony became much later part of the Saxon land.

  • @010VV
    @010VV 10 місяців тому +10

    📳🉑The sister languages of Old Norse are the other Germanic languages such as Old Anglo Saxon, Old German, Old Gothic and Old Frisian, Old Vandalic and Old Burgundian. These languages belong to the same linguistic group and share a common ancestry.🉑📳

  • @patty30
    @patty30 10 місяців тому +9

    Thank you once again for all that you do. Very educational!

  • @quamne
    @quamne 10 місяців тому +31

    i strongly believe old germanic languages to be the most beautiful languages out there

    • @quamne
      @quamne 10 місяців тому +4

      @@Lampchuanungang get yourself together man

    • @Lampchuanungang
      @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +4

      @@quamne
      Brother stop being sexist, you just admitted your taste and passion that is beautiful, stop being sexist, it was just a respectful compliment and a joke with you.
      This is not demerit, nor shame for you, you will not stop being a man for admitting your tastes and passions, accept your humanity that's all.
      Bye for this hour, here's the reflection 🪞 for you, good night. In another soon time we talk again
      ✌️🫂✈️✈️👋😉🤗

    • @artiaslari5594
      @artiaslari5594 4 місяці тому

      Your definitly didnt heard of Italian , Spanish or Latin languages 😂

    • @quamne
      @quamne 4 місяці тому

      @@artiaslari5594 true never heard of those. what's a spanish?

  • @yerxdxd08
    @yerxdxd08 10 місяців тому +11

    First! Greetings from Spain! 🇪🇸

  • @michaeljcross87
    @michaeljcross87 7 місяців тому +4

    Very similar. I understood both very well.

  • @mcj87
    @mcj87 4 місяці тому +2

    Love noticing the common roots of words that are still present today and how they diverged over time - e.g. great to see with the words for "guilt/guilty": "sculdi/sculdigon" and "(s)gyltas/(s)gyltendum" -> "Schuld" in German and "guilt" in English.

    • @evangelosnikitopoulos
      @evangelosnikitopoulos 3 місяці тому +1

      Guilt is not derived from sculdi. That yielded a separate wird "shild" that existed into the Modern Era.

  • @mysteriousDSF
    @mysteriousDSF 10 місяців тому +9

    I love this channel more and more

    • @Lampchuanungang
      @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +2

      We are two, both 💙🫂💛🥂🍻👍

  • @philomelodia
    @philomelodia 10 місяців тому +21

    What is particularly fascinating about both of these languages is that they are attested to from around the same time period. This means that speakers of variants of these languages could have, and probably did, encounter each other from time to time. We cannot say the same about Gothic and we cannot say the same about old Norse. Gothic is attested two from about the fourth century. Old Norse is attested two from about the 14th century. Meanwhile, both old English and old high German are attested to from around the eighth century to the 11th. And, they are extremely close. They probably had a large degree of intelligibility.

    • @pawel198812
      @pawel198812 10 місяців тому +3

      I would place Old Norse to about 1200, so closer to Middle High German

    • @alareiks742
      @alareiks742 10 місяців тому +1

      Gothic attested from the 2nd (Runic script in Eastern Europe) to, precisely, 6th centuries (already in the Greek influenced Gothic alfabet). Old Norse spoked by the North Germanics from likely 5th to 13th centuries. So Gothic speakers could possibly contact Anglo-Saxons and the North tong speakers definitely contacted Old English and Old High German speaking area. You are not right.

    • @12061988
      @12061988 10 місяців тому +2

      plz edit. It's "to" not "two and "form" not "from" and "around" not "about".

    • @zeon_zaku
      @zeon_zaku 7 місяців тому +1

      Gunnlaugr Ormstungu is alleged to have claimed around the year 900AD, that he and the Anglo-Saxons spoke the same language. That is hard to corroborate necessarily for many reasons, however it seems to suggest, that he could at least recognize, that they were related languages.

  • @NoThing-ec9km
    @NoThing-ec9km 4 місяці тому +2

    9 in the old English sounds familiar

  • @VeryClearLanguages
    @VeryClearLanguages 10 місяців тому +5

    Very interesting comparison! Old English remained completely intact from the so-called High German consonant shift. An example: Old English -sċip Modern English -ship versus Old High German -skif Modern German -Schiff-. The final p became f.

    • @lodewijkvandoornik3844
      @lodewijkvandoornik3844 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Deywos-zs2sq
      How is this about OHG being more archaic than OE. Can you develop that?

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi 9 місяців тому +2

    Very cool thanks.

  • @kaelani5710
    @kaelani5710 10 місяців тому +6

    Can you do a video on the garífuna language versus the Taino language ❤

  • @HerryNovri
    @HerryNovri 23 дні тому

    Funny thing, English and Low German once were in the same branch. While Dutch and High German were on the other branch. Then High German changed a lot that Dutch now look closer to the Low German. On the other hand, English also changed that much that now Dutch, Low German and High German are closer each other than they are to English.

  • @socha136
    @socha136 10 місяців тому +2

    Were I heard that first time I'm in impression, like a "roots" ;)))))))))) Greetings from Poznan (POLAND) City!!! ;p

  • @kawaiinoodels5516
    @kawaiinoodels5516 10 місяців тому +3

    Could you make a video on Old Swedish?

  • @MadhanBhavani
    @MadhanBhavani 10 місяців тому +12

    Do you have an old English vs old Danish Norse comparison? If not, can you make one? Just to understand how the Vikings and English people in the Danelaw would've communicated.

    • @hdjddihjdudd7618
      @hdjddihjdudd7618 10 місяців тому +2

      Search for Jackson Crawford-Conversation in Old English and Old Norse.The best example.

    • @MadhanBhavani
      @MadhanBhavani 10 місяців тому +2

      @@hdjddihjdudd7618 I've seen that one, it was great.
      I'm curious to see the numbers and the lord's prayer that way too.

    • @hdjddihjdudd7618
      @hdjddihjdudd7618 10 місяців тому

      @@MadhanBhavani Search the Lords Prayer in West Saxon,Northumbrian,Mercian,Kentish dialects in comparision with Old Norse.

  • @wantydma212
    @wantydma212 10 місяців тому +128

    Old English is more easier to read, 'cause we don't have to memorize the pronounciation each word.

    • @Xerxes370
      @Xerxes370 10 місяців тому +41

      Yes, modern english is to much corrupted by french

    • @dalubwikaan161
      @dalubwikaan161 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@Xerxes370
      and so as latin

    • @Zenigundam
      @Zenigundam 10 місяців тому +7

      That voiced velar fricative in Old English that sounds like a throat clearing sound will always be difficult for Modern English speakers to pronounce; however, we native English speakers can easily pronounce "th", a sound that Modern German speakers struggle to articulate, even though it existed in Old High German.

    • @elsopapo9778
      @elsopapo9778 10 місяців тому

      Urne gadægh𐌓amlican hlaf syle us todæg

    • @luckneh5330
      @luckneh5330 10 місяців тому +6

      @@Xerxes370 french didn't really corrupt, but the great vowel shift caused a lot of problems and pronunciation is reflective of people not keep up spelling reforms and etymology.

  • @enzoflores468
    @enzoflores468 2 місяці тому +1

    Excuse me for my ignorance, but I have a question: in which order of appearance came between old norse, gothic, old high german and old english?

  • @jordanlake9819
    @jordanlake9819 2 місяці тому

    It's so interesting how if you compare Old High German and Old Norse, they're pretty far apart, but Old English shares similarities with both Old Norse and Old High German. Really gives insight to where they resided geographically.

  • @sempreviva4564
    @sempreviva4564 10 місяців тому +13

    Old English hlaf for bread is surprisingly similar to the Russian hleb. Interesting.

    • @gandolfthorstefn1780
      @gandolfthorstefn1780 10 місяців тому +3

      Hlaf is bread in Old English but also means 'loaf' as in the modern English 'loaf of bread'. So from a noun it has become an adjective.
      So modern loaf is like a package of bread sliced or uncut.

    • @gandolfthorstefn1780
      @gandolfthorstefn1780 10 місяців тому +1

      Does hleb mean a package of bread in Russian as well as 🍞 bread?

    • @sempreviva4564
      @sempreviva4564 10 місяців тому +3

      @@gandolfthorstefn1780
      Thanks for the info!
      Hleb or хлеб in Cyrillic means bread in Russian as well as in many other Slavic languages. 🙂

    • @user-vt3ig2bk4j
      @user-vt3ig2bk4j 10 місяців тому +7

      The word _*xlěbъ_ was bowowed into Proto-Slavic from Germanic, more precisely from the Gothic word _hlaifs_ , or the Old High German word _hleib_ . Therefore the similarity to some modern Germanic words. In the Slavic South, especially in Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia they often say _kruh_ instead of hlěb, which comes from Proto-Slavic *kruxъ which originally meant "chunk".

    • @MegaJellyNelly
      @MegaJellyNelly 8 місяців тому

      ​@gandolfthorstefn1780 a loaf is still a noun

  • @Lampchuanungang
    @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +7

    The Swahili language belongs to the Bantu language family, and its subfamily is the Bantu-Swahili language. Swahili's sister languages ​​include Kikuyu, Lingala, Shona, Xhosa and Zulu. The ancestral language is Protobanthian.
    Andy makes this joint comparison of Swahili with all its sister languages ​​and its protobanthian ancestral language hugs stay with God kisses. Health, peace.

  • @MSS47Ag
    @MSS47Ag 9 місяців тому +12

    Old High German is easier to understand for a Dutch speaker. Old English sits closer to the Nordic variants.😊

    • @MaoRatto
      @MaoRatto 8 місяців тому +1

      As someone who is studying Swedish and German alongside others for different reasons. Swedish is MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND than GERMAN.

    • @BBeowulf
      @BBeowulf 5 місяців тому +2

      Frisian is actually the closest language to old English

    • @MaoRatto
      @MaoRatto 5 місяців тому

      @@BBeowulf True, I view it that Old English had more contact with Nordic languages than Frisians, Dutch, and Germans did. So you have a lot of vocabulary words mirroring or identical to their Nordic counterparts, the syntax feel for middle English is weirdly closer to a nordic tongue while Frisian and Dutch feel closer, German did its own thing due to a consonant shift and birthed its own languages similar to high-german, but...
      Seeing the -sk suffix instead of the -sch or -sh hints should Frisian and English be considered North Sea Germanic tongues as they are branches that are more influenced by the Nordic brand
      It shocks me how different English is to Nordic tongues and West Germanic languages. It's clearly somewhat just weird.

    • @everettduncan7543
      @everettduncan7543 2 місяці тому

      The Angles and Saxons were Ingvaeonic peoples, who came under heavier Norse influence even while in the continent than the Franks and various high German tribes.

  • @_rstcm
    @_rstcm 10 місяців тому +5

    Plz do Marathi and Konkani next.

  • @jgrennmusic
    @jgrennmusic 10 місяців тому +4

    Can you do Welsh compared to English or Old English?

  • @ansuzsociety
    @ansuzsociety 10 місяців тому

    🙏

  • @soso694
    @soso694 10 місяців тому +3

    I can't really understand the Old English which is very surprising.

    • @Lampchuanungang
      @Lampchuanungang 10 місяців тому +5

      Normal, relax, only study anglo saxon as you study dutch, hipothetically.👍🍻.
      Don't force your own understanding.

    • @David-ru8xf
      @David-ru8xf 10 місяців тому

      @@Lampchuanungang It's not the same

  • @AEAG9YT_
    @AEAG9YT_ 10 місяців тому +1

    can you do a comparison between Azeri and Turkish

    • @zuzufever
      @zuzufever 10 місяців тому +2

      There is already

    • @AEAG9YT_
      @AEAG9YT_ 10 місяців тому +2

      @@zuzufever link it?

    • @amjan
      @amjan 10 місяців тому +2

      They're too similar.

    • @VajiraPholvamsa
      @VajiraPholvamsa 10 місяців тому +3

      look into the Turkic playlist in the video section.

    • @Cooker-D_TX4
      @Cooker-D_TX4 10 місяців тому +2

      Here is the link that you need:-
      ua-cam.com/video/YPtjRsQ1MKo/v-deo.html

  • @TrimbakkiFonElsass
    @TrimbakkiFonElsass 10 місяців тому +8

    I read/translate old Icelandic, and OHG is a lot more intelligible than old English to me.

    • @David-ru8xf
      @David-ru8xf 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Nwk843 Old Norse broke Old English grammar, Norman French brought many loanwords instead grammar rules

    • @lodewijkvandoornik3844
      @lodewijkvandoornik3844 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Nwk843here it is old English in the video. At that time English had no contact with French speaking Normands. Actually Old Norse contact broke English more than Old French. Old French brought words for the elite while the massive population kept the Germanic synonym till this day. Middle English big transformation was due to Old Norse.

    • @richlisola1
      @richlisola1 9 місяців тому

      Really?

    • @richlisola1
      @richlisola1 9 місяців тому +1

      I see so many recognizable words in Old English-Way more than Old High German

    • @TrimbakkiFonElsass
      @TrimbakkiFonElsass 9 місяців тому

      @@richlisola1 yes, but to be fair I have spent more time trying to read OHG. I have the book - A handbook on old high german literature, by J. Knight Bostock. It helped a lot. I am no where near proficient. But I can grasp more

  • @Rasytojas1980
    @Rasytojas1980 10 місяців тому +2

    Lithuanian
    Mums = us
    Gyltas - kaltes
    Yous - jus

  • @altheamantes2041
    @altheamantes2041 10 місяців тому

    An
    Twin
    Tri
    Flour
    Fifth/fee/feet
    6
    Seaboard/sefen
    Octa
    Niun/noun 💀
    Teeth

  • @alphonso7170
    @alphonso7170 3 місяці тому

    Old High German sounds a lot like the language of the Moscow Orthodox in Russia.

  • @attaueiehehdhsjwksodndhh4980
    @attaueiehehdhsjwksodndhh4980 10 місяців тому +1

    First

  • @user-ur7ov6uw2k
    @user-ur7ov6uw2k 9 місяців тому

    If you listen to Old English, you will find that the history of Britain being occupied by the Roman Empire is not a lie.

  • @ahmadsantoso9712
    @ahmadsantoso9712 9 місяців тому

    If there is Old English and Old High German, then there must be Young English and Young Low German.

    • @Nintentoni
      @Nintentoni 16 днів тому

      That's the languages we speak today

  • @arashk4650
    @arashk4650 10 місяців тому +7

    aryan people🥰

    • @TheReal_GMan
      @TheReal_GMan 10 місяців тому +4

      Indo-Iranian/Indo-Aryan?

    • @arashk4650
      @arashk4650 10 місяців тому +2

      @@TheReal_GMan im from iran brother

  • @dalubwikaan161
    @dalubwikaan161 10 місяців тому

    Do Polari or other queer languages

  • @chanalex8358
    @chanalex8358 10 місяців тому

    I wonder , Could British people read and understand old English ?

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 10 місяців тому +5

      No lol.

    • @Patrickbatemanharvard
      @Patrickbatemanharvard 10 місяців тому +10

      Modern German and dutch speakers can understand old english better than the brits

    • @RandomBloke007
      @RandomBloke007 10 місяців тому +4

      I could, but I speak German as well 😂

    • @sentboumaster3436
      @sentboumaster3436 10 місяців тому +5

      I am a Dutch from northern part, I can easily understand Old English though

    • @David-ru8xf
      @David-ru8xf 10 місяців тому

      @@Patrickbatemanharvard Not at all

  • @grauwolf1604
    @grauwolf1604 26 днів тому

    There is no old "high" German. "High" German has been invented mainly by Martin Luther's translation of the bible.