Like..notice how the soundtrack and songs consist of traditional Spainish intrsuments and some mesoamerican musics when in the new world with a mixture of more modern latin instruments.
Great song, but I agree that there really wasn't a place for it to fit properly in the movie. If it had been in there somewhere, it would have felt forced and out of place.
Well it would work if migel (idk how to spell it) said we should raise our spirits and they sing the song, and tulio is like you know what you were right that helped, well be at shore in no time, then the camera pulls back and show they r in the middle of no where, then goes into the Scene with the seagull after a wash transition
Thing is, flamenco is not traditional Spanish music perse. Flamenco was born as such in the early 19th century, from gypsies' dance and song. It was artificially stylized so it would be accepted by the Spanish population, since the gypsies, a nomadic groups originally from India who had arrrive to Spain around 1500, had not integrated within Spanish culture and society, and were pretty mch nomad people who lived unconnected to the Spanish cociety for the most part. They never integrated because they were a very endogamous group, very different from Spaniards, and of course, Spaniards were also suspicious of them and never made it easier fro them to actually integrate, so they pretty much lived in a parallel society outside Spanish society. Thing is, with the Orientalist movement in Europe, Europeans became obsesed with the Oriental themes, and they looked for exotic flavour everywhere, so when they visited Spain, they only saw gipsies. Literally, one guy spent several weeks in Spain, North adn South, East and West, and he said in all that time he had never once feel Spain. In turn, the thrid night he spent in a inn in Sevile, mind, it was the third night at the inn, after many weeks spent in various cities all across Spain, he went to take a walk and came across a group of nomad gypsies dancing around a campfire "and I have finally found the real Spain". So this guy basically stated that the real Spain was represented by less than 8% of the population, being that 8% of the population people of nomadic life, foreign origin, relatively new commers, who lived outside the Spanish socicety, laws, culture, ans customs. He was not the only one, though. Many Europeans arrived to Spain seeking "the Orient", and they found it in the gypsy popualtion, therefore, they made it the representation of Spain, even though they actually were the less representative group of all the communities that inhabited Spain. Everything in Spain suddenñy became either gypsy, or Arabic, even the Visigothic churches in the very North of the country build 200 years before any Arabic influence arrived to Spain at all. "Flamenco" was a gypsy dance, obviously influenced by some elements of Spanish music and culture already. The Spanish government wanted to stat integrating once and for all the gypsy community. That, and the fact that foreigners seemed to be obssesed with Spanish gypsies (in fact, Spanish stereotypes are mostñy, though not all, that of the Spanish gypsies), rose some awareness of the gypsy community and its traditions. Basically, the gypsy dance and song were stylized, it was moulded and rebuld to become something that could be attractive to Spanish society, to become something Spaniards would embrace, rather than reject. This would attract the ignorant foreigns attention, thinking they were seeing acutla traditional dances from Spain, and this would also change the public opinion on gypsies. If the rest of Spain likes gypsies' culture, maybe they would finally accept them. Today there are still many, MANY problems, but the Spanish gypsies are far more integrated now than 200 years ago. If you want actual Spanish traditional music, try searching for jota, and fandango. Though actually, if you REALLY want Spanish music from the actual time period of 16 century, this is what Spanish music was really like: ua-cam.com/video/uYjPSUoJ2ws/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/_SgLJqv2wRY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Cue7fJIjLJs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/rDkuWyzVD9s/v-deo.html
@@addylupe5997 I think it's super interesting and I'm grateful someone took some time out of their day to share some cool knowledge. He states a solid reason for Flamenco not being prominent in the movie in his first sentence and then shared additional explanations and resources for the interested. Learning is fun. Pick up a book sometime or atleast show some appreciation for the people that do so.
+Miranda Orth I believe we are not listening to the same song... As this song says the phrase "Two very fine examples of a 16th Century Man" at least a million times...
Terra firma example as well, and speaking of terra firma, why is there nothing about it on UA-cam? Is it not a well known term used by the Spanish during and around conquest?
I wish this song was in the movie. This is one of my favorite Elton John songs.
Wouldn't fit.
Like..notice how the soundtrack and songs consist of traditional Spainish intrsuments and some mesoamerican musics when in the new world with a mixture of more modern latin instruments.
I could see this song being the credits song
Great song, but I agree that there really wasn't a place for it to fit properly in the movie.
If it had been in there somewhere, it would have felt forced and out of place.
This could actually be useful when they are on traveling on the row boat.
isn't it too cheerful and long for the boat scene though?
Doesn't fit the movie. Rock in mesoamerica?
Well it would work if migel (idk how to spell it) said we should raise our spirits and they sing the song, and tulio is like you know what you were right that helped, well be at shore in no time, then the camera pulls back and show they r in the middle of no where, then goes into the Scene with the seagull after a wash transition
Before I looked up the lyrics I always thought this song was from the POV of an actual god saying "Terrify my samples of 16th century man." Woops.
love it
They should have this song in the movie.
What a banger
When my colony fails in eu4
The movie could of used more traditional Spanish music, like flamenco tbh but still okay nonetheless
Thing is, flamenco is not traditional Spanish music perse. Flamenco was born as such in the early 19th century, from gypsies' dance and song. It was artificially stylized so it would be accepted by the Spanish population, since the gypsies, a nomadic groups originally from India who had arrrive to Spain around 1500, had not integrated within Spanish culture and society, and were pretty mch nomad people who lived unconnected to the Spanish cociety for the most part. They never integrated because they were a very endogamous group, very different from Spaniards, and of course, Spaniards were also suspicious of them and never made it easier fro them to actually integrate, so they pretty much lived in a parallel society outside Spanish society. Thing is, with the Orientalist movement in Europe, Europeans became obsesed with the Oriental themes, and they looked for exotic flavour everywhere, so when they visited Spain, they only saw gipsies. Literally, one guy spent several weeks in Spain, North adn South, East and West, and he said in all that time he had never once feel Spain. In turn, the thrid night he spent in a inn in Sevile, mind, it was the third night at the inn, after many weeks spent in various cities all across Spain, he went to take a walk and came across a group of nomad gypsies dancing around a campfire "and I have finally found the real Spain". So this guy basically stated that the real Spain was represented by less than 8% of the population, being that 8% of the population people of nomadic life, foreign origin, relatively new commers, who lived outside the Spanish socicety, laws, culture, ans customs. He was not the only one, though. Many Europeans arrived to Spain seeking "the Orient", and they found it in the gypsy popualtion, therefore, they made it the representation of Spain, even though they actually were the less representative group of all the communities that inhabited Spain. Everything in Spain suddenñy became either gypsy, or Arabic, even the Visigothic churches in the very North of the country build 200 years before any Arabic influence arrived to Spain at all.
"Flamenco" was a gypsy dance, obviously influenced by some elements of Spanish music and culture already. The Spanish government wanted to stat integrating once and for all the gypsy community. That, and the fact that foreigners seemed to be obssesed with Spanish gypsies (in fact, Spanish stereotypes are mostñy, though not all, that of the Spanish gypsies), rose some awareness of the gypsy community and its traditions. Basically, the gypsy dance and song were stylized, it was moulded and rebuld to become something that could be attractive to Spanish society, to become something Spaniards would embrace, rather than reject. This would attract the ignorant foreigns attention, thinking they were seeing acutla traditional dances from Spain, and this would also change the public opinion on gypsies. If the rest of Spain likes gypsies' culture, maybe they would finally accept them. Today there are still many, MANY problems, but the Spanish gypsies are far more integrated now than 200 years ago.
If you want actual Spanish traditional music, try searching for jota, and fandango. Though actually, if you REALLY want Spanish music from the actual time period of 16 century, this is what Spanish music was really like: ua-cam.com/video/uYjPSUoJ2ws/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/_SgLJqv2wRY/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Cue7fJIjLJs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/rDkuWyzVD9s/v-deo.html
@@goodaimshield1115 Relax dude, we didn't ask for a history lesson
@@addylupe5997 I think it's super interesting and I'm grateful someone took some time out of their day to share some cool knowledge. He states a solid reason for Flamenco not being prominent in the movie in his first sentence and then shared additional explanations and resources for the interested.
Learning is fun. Pick up a book sometime or atleast show some appreciation for the people that do so.
Eh
this is in the intro to the movie, this is actually called "El Dorado"; this is a mislabeled song.
+Miranda Orth how so
+Miranda Orth I believe we are not listening to the same song... As this song says the phrase "Two very fine examples of a 16th Century Man" at least a million times...
Terra firma example as well, and speaking of terra firma, why is there nothing about it on UA-cam? Is it not a well known term used by the Spanish during and around conquest?
no really?
MrGabeanator
really, search and see!