Masters Vs. Ph.D./Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology?
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Pros of Masters
1. Shorter program, 2 years
2. Less amount of student loans (you should be able to pay them off sooner than Psy.D, PhD usually have a stipend however so their programs are best in terms of cost efficiency)
Cons of Masters
1. Some states require you to be under supervision for a number of years even after grad school.
2. Some states might require you to put more hours in after graduating before being able to become licensed or certified (approximately another 2 years).
3. Less career opportunities in terms of teaching, private practice, and work facilities.
4. Lower salary than PhD, Psy.D.
5. Masters in counseling or social work, might have more freedom and career opportunities depending on the state than a masters in clinical psychology.
Pros of PH.D/Psy.D
1. A variety of job opportunities, military, hospital, counseling centers, private practice, schools, universities, corporate, etc.
2. Higher salary, competitive pay.
Cons of PhD/Psy.D.
1. Takes longer, anywhere from 4-6 years.
2. For Psy.D. more student loans, takes longer to pay them off.
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You can definitely start your own private practice with a Master's. There is no limitation on doing so; many people do this and find great success.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the wisdom, Phil! I really appreciate it.
No problem happy to help!
Really appreciate the video! The content was exactly what I was looking to learn about
Glad to hear it!
Woah, what a helpful video. I just finished my BS in psychology in Indiana. This was exactly the content I need at this time in my life.
Glad it was helpful!
Well, Phil you are doing a great job by replying to all these important questions in the comments! THANKYOU !
My pleasure!
I am doing my research on this topic, and your video popped up! I was stuck between master’s in counseling vs psyd. Definitely not a PHD because I am not that passionate about the research component. Yet, you are 100% right in everything you’re saying. I think this is confirmation that I should just shoot for the psyd. I also want to teach in academia aside from just providing psychotherapy. Yes, there is a cost to pursuing this degree, but my gut is telling me to go for this. Luckily, there is two APA accredited Psyd programs in my area (Washington state). I apply this fall!
Great video! :)
That's awesome!! I'm so glad this video provided some clarity! I wish you the best of luck!!!
Sending good luck 👍
Hi Kathy, congrats getting the clarity. Phil's channel is very transparent and real. Did you look on the APA website to find that your PsyD program is accredited? Or other sites you can refer? thx
I'm wishing you luck and good vibes queen! I've been seeing your comments on other videos and I'm in the same situation as you, but I think I'm going to go for the PsyD too because it's what I've always wanted. Applying to some Washington schools because it's been my dream to live there. See u on campus :)
I'm really glad I found this video. I've been thinking about going back to school and couldn't decide between the masters or the PhD
I'm glad it was helpful!
Thanks so much for this information highly appreciate it
No problem!
I was looking for insight but honestly I clicked on this video solely to support your efforts. Thanks king
Thank you!!
Really helpful.
Thank you.
You are welcome!
You just got a new sub!!!
Thank you so much!!
same
Thank you for the awesome information! Will you be doing a Q&A video for these topics ever?
Absolutely!!! Q&A will for sure be happening in the near future!!
This was a really good video on this topic. However, there are some master level clinical psychology programs that lead to state mental health counseling licensure. Thank you for posting.
Yes, your absolutely right! Thanks for sharing
Love your video! Do you recommend any resources for finding information on state-by-state restrictions for a master's degree in clinical psychology? I'm currently restricted by location for at least a few more years and looking into some competitive master's programs either in my area (Atlanta) or online! I also liked the advice you gave about a master's in social work or counseling as options instead! What about a master's of education in counseling?
Hi! It sounds like you're already doing the work! Is your end goal to become a psychologist or a therapist? It might be helpful to check out some local facebook psychology groups and post your question there to see if you can gather information about state-by-state restriction guidelines from others who are pursuing clinical psychology. Something I also did for myself was contacted a lot of psychologists who were doing what I wanted to do in my career, many didn't respond lol but there were a few that got back to me and it was super helpful to learn what they did and their journey!
I've heard that the masers of education in counseling is great if you want to work in education! To the best of my knowledge both the masters of art and masters of education in counseling can do the same thing in terms of therapy, psychotherapy, and counseling so I think it's more up to the individual what they'd like to specialize in, focus on, or work with in terms of the population they work with. I hope that helps!
@@philsguidetopsyd Thanks so much for your help Phil! I love your content and your channel. Will be continuing to watch your videos for help as I explore my career path in psychology! Best wishes to you!
Thank you so much! Im going for the masters then the psyd in clinical psych after. Any information regarding specializing out? Id really like to work with children with EBD's in a clinical setting.
That's awesome! Since you know what population you want to work with you could try and see if the masters program has clinical opportunities in those settings. That will give you the experience that you're looking for as you get your psyd, making it more likely that you could specialize in that area. Most specializations are based on whether or not you have the relevant experience. For example someone who wanted to be a pediatric psychologist would need to make sure their clinical practicum sites are based around helping mostly children. Then when they graduate from the program and are looking to specialize, it will be easier for them to either become board certified in pediatric psychology because they have the relevant experience working with that population or start private practice and market themselves with that specialization. Hope that helps, best of luck!
This was so incredibly helpful! For some reason it seems so difficult to find this sort of information just on google. I plan on practicing in NC, do you know where we can find more info about which states have which requirements? I am a mother of 2 and the M.A. in counseling sounds appealing for this reason, but I want to make sure I’m not wasting my time when I should be going after a PsyD instead. Thank you!
Yeah that's a great question! If you plan to go to school in NC you can directly ask the school's you're interested in about the the scope of practice, certifications, and accreditation. NC should also have a general website I believe that lists all of their counseling/therapy licensure credentials. Once you know which graduate program provides what type of licensure, that might help you make a decision about the scope of practice that you can do as a counselor vs. what you can do as a PsyD. Hope that helps!
Phil,
can you enroll in a doctoral program with just a bachelors or do you have to get a masters first?
BTW: i subbed. Great content.
Hello! Thank you so much for the question and the sub! To answer your question, yes you can enroll in a doctoral program with just a bachelor's in the U.S.!! ALTHOUGH I believe other countries are different. But having a master's and then applying to U.S. doctoral programs will make you more competitive, however, it is not required. I will be making a video about this topic in the future so stay tuned!
@@philsguidetopsyd I'll be on the lookout for that. thanks for the response
Thank you so much for creating such informative content! It would really help if you could tell me what sort of masters degree would you recommend if I'm aiming to get into the Clinical psych doctorate program in two years. I'm currently in my undergrad and I'm an international student. Hence, to get more experience and make myself more eligible I want to pursue a masters degree before I apply to a doctorate program. Is it true that Clin psy Doctorate programs prefer students with a more research oriented background and if so, will it make sense if I do my masters in counselling considering its more practical in nature ?
Hi! Great question. It really just depends on what type of Clinical psych doctorate programs you are interested in applying to? Many programs on their websites have what they are mainly focused on. Some might be more focused on research and some more on clinical practice. If you know what you want to do after getting your doctorate than you can pick the masters program that best aligns with your interests! I would suggest doing whatever makes you the best all-around applicant making sure you have a little bit of everything whether that's research experience or clinical experience to give you the best chance of getting into a program. Hope that helps good luck!
Hi Phil! Thanks for the informative video. Very much appreciated. I live in New York so i would fall into the category of getting my Masters than having to do another two years under supervision. If I went straight for my phd would I be able to practice the minute I graduate without additional supervision? Thanks!
Hey great question! It depends on the state but but after graduation APA approved programs have to do a 1 year internship and possible 1-2 years of a post-doc (which is under supervision) but those years after grad school are usually paid positions
Hey great question! It depends on the state but but after graduation APA approved programs have to do a 1 year internship and possible 1-2 years of a post-doc (which is under supervision) but those years after grad school are usually paid positions
Questions?? So, on the Masters route in clinical psychology, what's the difference between MA and MS? From what I've read, it seems that the MS would fit me more. I would rather speak with an individual who has knowledge on the topic than reading an article. Your videos are very informative btw 🤓
Wow, that's a great question! Thank you also for the support. You know I have to be honest, from what I know I think the MA involves more clinical therapy, and MS is targeted towards research but you might have to double-check with someone who is already doing one or the other.
MS is science based while yes a MA is more (art), meaning not as much science. If that helps lol
Great video! I'm from Canada and looking to apply to the States. Would I have much chance of getting into a PhD program without a masters degree (i.e. do they favor those with a masters much more)?
Great question!! I think the U.S. is unique in that a lot of schools do not require a masters degree in order to be accepted into a Ph.D. program. Especially if you have good grades from undergrad, and a good GRE score, you will be competitive. Actually, about 1/3 of my cohort came straight from undergrad. BUT it does depend also on the school. Even though a 1/3 of my cohort came from undergrad, also about another 1/3 has a master's degree. So I'm not sure if I would say they favor master's degrees, I think it's based on an individual basis of doing what you need to do to be the most competitive. I personally completed my master's degree because I didn't have a high GPA in undergrad, so I got a master's degree to prove that I was capable of doing well in a doctoral program. That situation was specific for me, likewise, applicants will have to determine what makes the most sense for them to be competitive. I hope that answers your question!
Thank you so much for this video!!!!!!
I would love to get more insight on this topic.
Do you have an email for questions??
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Stay tuned as well I'll be making more videos on this topic. And yes you can contact me at pkssarpong@gmail.com for any questions, I'm happy to help.
Thanks Phil, I literally just commented on another video lol..... I didn’t see this response until now.... I was probably rambling on haha but I will better explain through email.
Thanks again!!!!!!!
Hi Phil,
This is so helpful. I'm am struggling because I'm not yet clear which direction I'm going. Your channel and content is super helpful. Do you know any of the restrictions for the state of California? The content you are sharing is very valuable.
Are there any programs that you know that one can bypass getting a Masters's and go straight for a PsyD or Ph.D. program?
I appreciate your time. Thanks a million.
Hi Maria, I'm not sure about the restrictions for the state of California for a masters in clinical psychologists. But I know the state has great counseling programs and masters of social work programs.
Additionally, theoretically any PhD/PsyD program in the U.S. will accept students without a masters degree unless they specifically state that they require a masters degree on their website. So whichever school you are interested in, you can see what they require in their applications, if they don't require a masters (they would state it if they do) then you could apply to that program without a masters degree. You could also contact those schools via phone or email and ask them about if getting a masters is recommended in order to be accepted into their program. I hope that helps! All the best!
@@philsguidetopsyd Phil, thank you. Great counsel. I will do that. Do you have any colleagues who got their license as a therapist in the states and are working abroad? Eg europe? I plan to move there after my graduate studies. Thank you! All the best in graduate school.
@@Freespirit512 Oh I see, I didn't know you were planning on moving abroad, that def makes things different because I know there are countries that require a masters. Sorry I'm not sure or know much about the requirements or standards for other countries, and I wish I had colleagues who got their license here and worked abroad but I do not know anyone personally that did that. Best of luck though in finding the path that works best for you!
@@philsguidetopsyd Thank you for your assistance in this. Also, another amazing resource I found in the US is being a member at Psi Chi (for honor students) and they have a lifetime membership. Another value for students in school. I believe I will pray about which path to take and I agree there are so many amazing schools in California. All the best in your endeavors too! Once again, thank you for your invaluable assistance.
Hey I’m new to the channel. I live in Maryland and most therapists are doing pretty good with their own practice. I was aiming to get my MS and then psyD because I know I’m not going to love heavy oriented research. Will I have to do 4 additional years if I get my masters and then go for psyD?
Most likely, depends on the school but from what I know even with a masters most PsyD programs will require the full 4 years. In my cohort there are therapists as well as some who have masters in psychology and they are still required to complete the 4 years. However, there are certain classes that they have been able to audit and not take since they took the same courses in their program, so most schools will allow you to transfer some credits! But it most likely won't be enough to shorten the program length. Hope that helps!
@@philsguidetopsyd I appreciate your quick response! Thanks for the information that you have provided. There isn’t many videos or information directly linked to psyD. I see your channel blowing up. I’ll be starting my journey towards psyD next year. Time to change my career 💯
Hey Phil , i hope you are in good health and enjoying your life
As we know that we can do PSY. D after bachelor so ,
My question is to u that can we go for masters and psy. D together after bachelor degree in psychology in usa
Thansk for such an amazing video
Good bless
Typically a PsyD/PhD program in the U.S. will already include a masters in clinical psychology in the 4-6 year program. So you don't need a separate masters and then a separate phd/psyd you just need one doctorate phd/psyd in the u.s. Hope that helps!
In the end you’re going to end up with $200,000 dollars of debt or more getting your psyd. Making more money than a masters in counseling doesn’t mean much when you have that much debt to pay off. If you have a masters in counseling u can start your own private practice right away and charge just as much as a psychologist with a psyd. Its just not financially responsible.
Appreciate your thoughts on this, that's why I think it's so important for prospective students to really look at the pros/cons of making this decision!
Great video! Can I get a Master's in counseling and then later spend less time in a Psy.D clinical psychology program?
Hi great question! It depends on the Psy.D. program that you apply to, because some may accept courses that you've already taken and some may not but it's certainly possible to spend less time in a Psy.D program after completing a Master's in counseling.
Many states now require 3 year master’s programs to qualify for licensure in mental health counseling, marriage and family therapy or clinical social work. This is why the two year psychology programs have been nearly eliminated from licensure opportunities. They tend to be merely for educational purposes and non counseling human service positions. In Nevada, the extra rigor required for licensed counselors has virtually pushed doctoral level psychologists into academia or testing, engaging in very little therapy, now taken over by the master’s level clinicians. The worst thing is most undergraduates are entirely naive to these complexities because the universities aren’t explaining the various opportunities. I even know professionals who don’t fully understand the differences.
Really valid points! It'll be interesting to see how both fields evolve over time (clinical mental health counseling programs and clinical psych)
Could you recommend universities which provide Clinical Psychology program for masters ? I am planning to pursue Clinical Psychology for my masters but there are only handful universities having this program .
Great question! You're right there's not a lot of masters programs specific for clinical psychology. I'm not sure what states you are looking into for school but my friend sent me this website that you can research masters programs in specific states. Let me know if that's helpful! Good luck in your search! www.bestpsychologydegrees.com/in/
Will I live comfortably with a Masters degree in Psychology? (MA). I’m talking money wise, will I be making enough money to live comfortable without worrying about making rent or cutting expenses?
I think it depends on the person. I know many people that live comfortably with a masters degree, but depending on your spending habits and what you want in your life it might not be enough money, it might be too much money, or it might be just right. Only you can know what's best for you. Hope that helps.
Can u make a video about dual degrees bs and ms in psycology?
I'll put it on the list, thanks for the suggestion!
I have a few questions that I can’t find the answers for. If I get my Masters in Clinical Psychology can I transfer to another school and get my Doctorates? My school doesn’t offer a doctorates but I can’t afford four or more years living away from home. Does doing this hurt my chances? I really want to get my doctorates but I also don’t want to stress myself out with debt.
Usually students who only want a doctorate will apply to a program that has both the masters and doctorate of clinical psychology in one program. That way it's easier to transfer credits, and you could save time too by not having to spend extra years or money on tuition. This seems to be the most time efficient and cost efficient option for those who just want to get their doctorate in clinical psychology. Looking into a PhD that is funded will also help with saving money. If you just want to get a masters and aren't sure about the doctorate a masters in counseling or social work provides good opportunities for people to become licensed therapists after their schooling. They can work for several years, save up some money, get rid of student loan debt, and then decide if it's necessary for themselves to pursue a doctorate. Hope that helps, best of luck.
What about both? Do you need a masters degree in order to get into the doctorate program? Does doing the masters add to your experience?
Great question! In the U.S. you don't need a masters degree in order to get into a doctorate program, although it might help make you more competitive. I always encourage applicants that when they get a masters make sure it's for a purpose, for example to get more clinical experience, or research experience, and so it's important to know which masters programs to go for if that is what you want to pursue. Hope that helps!
@@philsguidetopsyd it does thank you so much. I'm currently doing my undergraduate I psychology have one more year before I graduate and I have been researching on clinical psychology since that's the field I want to go into but I was thinking of doing my masters degree so I good have some clinical experience before doing the doctorate program. Thank you so much again!
If I am in pursuit of getting a Masters in MFT can I then jump into/apply to a PHD program in clinical psych?
Yes it’s possible, many students in my program did that as well. Some programs might even let you transfer some credit
A Master's of School Counseling vs. a Ph.D. of School Psychology??
I would like to work directly with the kids and college students.. not so much teaching at a collegiate level. And not that 2 year shadow person over my soldier...
I have a master's in college student affairs, m.ed. ... b.a. in political science
Great question! I'm not as familiar with school counseling so I don't know how much I can answer that question
@@philsguidetopsyd ok. your channel is very helpful
Can you do a masters in counseling and pursue a PhD in clinical psychology.
Yes you can! Masters in counseling programs can either help people to get a LPC, LMHC, or a MSW to become a LCSW and after these programs many people can decide on whether or not they want to pursue a Psyd/Phd in clinical psychology for further training in research/assessment/teaching/supervision, etc. Sometimes the masters makes you more competitive than other candidates in certain programs, other programs may not care as much
You can’t have a private practice with a masters?
Good question! You can have a private practice with a masters in counseling or social work once you become licensed as a LPCC, LPC, MFT, LMCH, or LCSW.
But if you have a masters in just clinical psychology with no license, then you can't independently practice and do therapy unless under supervision. Or unless you get your PsyD/PhD and take the EPPP licensure exam to become licensed as a psychologist.
A masters in just clinical psychology tends to have more restrictions then a masters in a counseling program devoted to helping their students become licensed counselors so it depends on the area, school, and state regulations etc., Hope that helps and makes sense
How can I find a masters program in clinical psychology
Most masters program in clinical psychology are part of a doctoral program PhD/PsyD. If you are looking to become a therapist then looking into LPC, LCPC, LCSW, or any other counselor/therapist program will have good programs for future psychotherapists. Hope that helps!
How much is clinical psychology ( masters ) salary ?
I think it depends on the state in the U.S. Some may be able to get licensed as an MFT or LCSW after their masters which usually salaries range from 50-70,000 a year
Is it easy to get scholarships in PsyD programs?
Typically many PsyD programs have "automatic" scholarships that they will give students once they are in the program. And then students can also apply for more once they are in the program.
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If you have any questions or you'd like to reach out to me directly send me a message on my website please! at philsarpong.com/
Hi there! Thank you so much for explaining that if you want to be out of school sooner and only want a master's, you should do your degree in social work or in counseling, since certain states restrict master's degrees in clinical psychology. I am about to apply to graduate schools, and my hope is to one day open a private practice. Do you think my income would be significantly less with a master's in social work/counseling than with a PhD in clinical psych?
It mostly depends on the state that someone lives in. There’s other states that allow people to do private practice after years of supervision. Then there’s other states that require people with a masters in psychology to only practice under the supervision of a licensed psychologist. So it just depends where you live
Hi! It’s hard to say, a masters in social work or counseling may sometimes charge just as much as a psychologist so depending on the success of the practice they may make just as much