Interesting points! I will also attest to the fact that being 34 now instead of 24 is a much more appropriate age to be wanting to tell people how to deal with life's ups and downs! I am so much more eager to want this now.
I feel the same way. I have worked in mental health hospitals and homeless shelters for the last 5 years. They respect and listen to me way more than they would have at 25. Hell at 25 I wouldn’t talk to a 25 year old.
So basically I'll be 35 starting my career and will be making as much as a engineer starting out.. lmao I love psychology but the pay is absolutely sht compared to other people who spend that much time in school
In the UK, it is funded by the NHS for home students, and you are paid over £30k a year for your salary, so the cost is not a problem in choosing the field for me
Great video! I’m finishing my Masters in Clinical Mental Health Counseling this semester. One point I would add is to look into working for a non-profit or HRSA to get those loans forgiven or at least partially forgiven.
Ultimately I am considering becoming a prescribing psychologist. I am in CMHC Program now. I'm thinking I can get licensed and practice independently part time while in school. I'm weighing out the pros and cons.
Im an older student I found out late i have a passion for psychology. I am 28 going to get my bachelor's degree at 30 in psychology, and then going for my masters. I want to start making money sooner since im older so im thinking of getting licensed as an MFT since i know i would still enjoy it, then go back later for my psyd would getting my masters first take some years away from my psyd?
Great question! It depends on the program some schools will accept transfer credits and the program doctorate might be shorter but not in every case. Typically it’s good to check with the programs before applying to make sure credits will transfer and the doctorate can be finished sooner. Hope that helps!
Hi, Phil! First, thank you for the content! I am an European Psychology student and a Bulgarian citizen who is interested in being a grad and PsyD/PhD in the US. To give you an idea - Bulgaria is like Mexico in terms of living standards and I am not rich. I would like to apply for a Fulbright grant but it is only 1 school year so I am looking into options. I would like to study evidence-based treatments only. If you have any general tips for internationals like me, share it privately and/or publicly 😅 I am looking into schools that are teaching DBT, CBT, ACT, you know the drill. Would love for you to share recommendations and funding options (if you know about any). I am sure people would love some content like that!
Great question! Several schools in the U.S. also have scholarships for international students. If you know what program you'd like to apply to in the U.S., you could reach out via email and ask them about any scholarships or funding for international applicants. I hope that's helpful, best of luck to you!
Hi Phil, This is a great video! Clarified some doubts I had. I'm a little confused about the training route to get into counselling. I was wondering what the difference between a therapist and a counselling psychologist is. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks.
Hi, great question! A therapist is a counselor that might have a LPC, LCMHC, or LCSW license. They have a college degree as well as a 2 year masters degree. They are allowed to do therapy with clients that may range from CBT, DBT, Psychodynamic, etc. They cannot prescribe medication, and they are also not trained to do psychological testing or assessment like testing for ADHD or testing for severe mental health disorders like bipolar or borderline. However, counseling psychologists are very similar to clinical psychologists. Counseling psychologists have a college degree as well as a doctorate (so they go to school for 4-6years after a college degree). They can do everything a clinical psychologist can do which means they can do therapy, they can do psychological testing/assessment. Some counseling psychology programs may not have as much training when it comes to psych testing like clinical psychologists and that may be the biggest difference between them and clinical psychologists. Otherwise they can do all the same things a clinical psychologist can do as well do way more things than a therapist. Hope that helps!
@@philsguidetopsyd Thanks for this, Phil! I've been reading so much about the differences between Counseling and Clinical Psychology, but mostly everything says that they're similar without much reference to specific differences. I've been leaning towards Counseling PhD and this helps my thought process. :)
Thank you for this! Question…I am in the very beginning stages of researching a Psyd. I’ve been out of the field for quite some time but I do hold a specialists degree with a focus on assessment (school psych) and I’m wondering if that would help shorten the length/requirements for a program. And if it would be worth it to me to get the PsyD. Right now I am eligible for the LLP but that doesn’t seem great for private practice, due to needing supervision. Thanks so much for any input!
Yes, absolutely. I'm sure there may be schools that would take some of the credits that you have, it's def worth asking. Since PsyD programs focus on a lot of assessment courses that could possibly shorten the requirements for a program. You also would be able to build on your prior knowledge of assessments and do way more with a psyd. Hope that helps!
good question, it's hard to answer because expensive is relative for the person. What I mean by that is really to take into consideration other additional costs for living. If a graduate program is in a big city, and it's a lot of money to find an apt, gas is way more, food costs more, and it's a lot longer of a program....just because it might be a great program doesn't mean you should take out more student loans than you need if you get accepted into another program that is accredited or just as good and way more affordable (tuition, costs of living, etc). At the end of the day regardless of where you graduate from, licensed psychologists will be paid the same amount at a community center, or in a VA or in academic medical center. Most employers are really only going to care about the licensure, experience, and the fit rather than what school you attended.
I’m a licensed MSW and will have my LISW soon. So I want to get my ph.d because I want to do research and I thought psyD would be a good option. No? I could still be practicing and making money maybe?
Great question. You have a lot of options. Depending on the school that you go to (most schools have a clause that either permits already licensed therapists to be able to do therapy as a part-time job) but some may have restrictions so it's good to check first with the schools that you apply to whether phd/psyd. There are also plenty of psyd programs that are very adequate at research, although I would say if you love research and want to go to a funded program, phd is a good option as well. I have other videos on my channel that you can look into for more details. Plenty of people who are licensed as therapists can still make money throughout graduate school especially in private practice but there may be restrictions depending on the state and the program. The second-fouth/fifth year of the program does get significantly busier so the hours that you can do so will probably change from year to year. I hope this helps, best of luck!
So happy I found this video, much later than you posted it, but still very helpful. I have been a nurse working with neurorecovery patients and in the process of exploring further education, either towards counseling/clinical psychology/social work, or continuing towards a NP. This topic is very interesting and your thoughts are very helpful.
Hey great video. I am checking all your videos to get a crystal clear idea about Psy.D. and neuropsychology But I have a quick doubt. 1. Do we get paid in the internships and post doc ? Because here in India we have to pay for internships. 2. Can you earn while you are studying ? Please reply Phil. It will be a great help for me. Cheers
Hello, 1. Yes most internships are payed, as well as post doc. 2. If you wanted to get a part time job outside of grad school you could earn and make some money while studying and some programs like PhD are funded and provide stipends.
I just found your channel Phil. Thank you for this. I’m currently in a Forensic Mental Health Counseling program and I’m still trying to decide between continuing school or to start work and get my licensure. Since undergrad, I thought I wanted to get my doctorate but after being in my master’s program I’m leaning more on the side of looking for work and work towards licensure.
Yes, they can, as long as they have the appropriate training/supervision or practicum experience from their PsyD program to perform those assessments, and most PsyD programs will offer those opportunities. It's possible though that someone can go through their program and not learn too much related to assessment of Autism disorders, in which case they would refer out.
Hey Phil! I plan to go tp medical school and become a doctor, but i've always wanted to be a clinical psychologist. Do you think that it's possible for me to do both?
Hi, great question. Since medical school and clinical psychology school are different fields it would take a really long time. Med school is 4 years and then maybe another 3-5 year residency while clinical psychology is 4-6 years and then a 1-2 year internship/post doc. That might be 16 years of school if you decide to do both which is a lot of time and money. If you are looking to do both you might try and look into becoming a psychiatrist. 4 years of medschool and then 3 years of psychiatry residency. Psychiatrists can do everything a clinical psychologist can (therapy and a little assessment) as well as prescribe medication so that might be a good option. Or even looking into becoming a neuropsychologist which is also similar to being a doctor, it's a lot more assessment and in some states with additional certification you could get training in prescribing medication. Hope that helps. Best of luck!
All honesty you should pick one or the other you realistically cant do both jobs if you wanna do both just to call yourself both thats not a good reason to be a good doctor or psychologist you can’t be putting half your effort in being a psychologist if you wanna be a medical doctor. and if you wanna be a medical doctor you cant put half your effort into being a psychologist you wont have time for both and patients for both careers will need the best attentive care they can from their doctor and u cant do that attempting both careers and you’ll rack in tons of debt bc both paths are expensive you will need to pick one career and if u go this route you wont be fully done with skull till approaching your 40’s bc both paths take a long time and money choose which one speaks more to your heart which one you will gain better finance from
Hey! What if you have a degree in Bachelors of Health Science & want to do Psyd in clinical psychology. Would I have to do a masters first or can I go straight into the PSYD program? Thank you
Hello, great question! It depends on what programs you apply to. In the U.S. you do not need a masters to apply for a psyd program you just need to fulfill the pre-requistie courses, which are usually found on a program's website in their application process. Usually its intro to psych, abnormal psych, cognitive psych, and maybe a few others like stats, etc. If those courses are taken then it usually doesn't matter what your major is, schools accepts students from a wide range of backgrounds. I would double check in your area and with the schools that you'd like to apply to before getting a masters, you may not need it. International schools outside the U.S. tend to require a masters so location is a big part of that decision.
Interesting points! I will also attest to the fact that being 34 now instead of 24 is a much more appropriate age to be wanting to tell people how to deal with life's ups and downs! I am so much more eager to want this now.
That's great!
I feel the same way. I have worked in mental health hospitals and homeless shelters for the last 5 years. They respect and listen to me way more than they would have at 25. Hell at 25 I wouldn’t talk to a 25 year old.
Soo you want to be broke till you're 35 lmao
So basically I'll be 35 starting my career and will be making as much as a engineer starting out.. lmao I love psychology but the pay is absolutely sht compared to other people who spend that much time in school
In the UK, it is funded by the NHS for home students, and you are paid over £30k a year for your salary, so the cost is not a problem in choosing the field for me
Great video! I’m finishing my Masters in Clinical Mental Health Counseling this semester. One point I would add is to look into working for a non-profit or HRSA to get those loans forgiven or at least partially forgiven.
Great input and advice, thank you!
Ultimately I am considering becoming a prescribing psychologist. I am in CMHC Program now. I'm thinking I can get licensed and practice independently part time while in school. I'm weighing out the pros and cons.
Love it! Best of luck!
Thank you I was debating and this really helped. It confirmed my thoughts.
Awesome, glad it helped!
Damn, but I really have a dream to become a professor...
Great video! Thank you 🙏🏻
My pleasure!
Im an older student I found out late i have a passion for psychology. I am 28 going to get my bachelor's degree at 30 in psychology, and then going for my masters. I want to start making money sooner since im older so im thinking of getting licensed as an MFT since i know i would still enjoy it, then go back later for my psyd would getting my masters first take some years away from my psyd?
Great question! It depends on the program some schools will accept transfer credits and the program doctorate might be shorter but not in every case. Typically it’s good to check with the programs before applying to make sure credits will transfer and the doctorate can be finished sooner. Hope that helps!
Very helpful! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi, Phil! First, thank you for the content! I am an European Psychology student and a Bulgarian citizen who is interested in being a grad and PsyD/PhD in the US. To give you an idea - Bulgaria is like Mexico in terms of living standards and I am not rich. I would like to apply for a Fulbright grant but it is only 1 school year so I am looking into options. I would like to study evidence-based treatments only. If you have any general tips for internationals like me, share it privately and/or publicly 😅 I am looking into schools that are teaching DBT, CBT, ACT, you know the drill. Would love for you to share recommendations and funding options (if you know about any). I am sure people would love some content like that!
Great question! Several schools in the U.S. also have scholarships for international students. If you know what program you'd like to apply to in the U.S., you could reach out via email and ask them about any scholarships or funding for international applicants. I hope that's helpful, best of luck to you!
Hi Phil,
This is a great video! Clarified some doubts I had.
I'm a little confused about the training route to get into counselling. I was wondering what the difference between a therapist and a counselling psychologist is. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks.
Hi, great question! A therapist is a counselor that might have a LPC, LCMHC, or LCSW license. They have a college degree as well as a 2 year masters degree. They are allowed to do therapy with clients that may range from CBT, DBT, Psychodynamic, etc. They cannot prescribe medication, and they are also not trained to do psychological testing or assessment like testing for ADHD or testing for severe mental health disorders like bipolar or borderline. However, counseling psychologists are very similar to clinical psychologists. Counseling psychologists have a college degree as well as a doctorate (so they go to school for 4-6years after a college degree). They can do everything a clinical psychologist can do which means they can do therapy, they can do psychological testing/assessment. Some counseling psychology programs may not have as much training when it comes to psych testing like clinical psychologists and that may be the biggest difference between them and clinical psychologists. Otherwise they can do all the same things a clinical psychologist can do as well do way more things than a therapist. Hope that helps!
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain it in detail. That makes so much more sense! Thanks a tonne! ❤
@@philsguidetopsyd Thanks for this, Phil! I've been reading so much about the differences between Counseling and Clinical Psychology, but mostly everything says that they're similar without much reference to specific differences. I've been leaning towards Counseling PhD and this helps my thought process. :)
Why did this video make me want to get one 😂
Thank you for this! Question…I am in the very beginning stages of researching a Psyd. I’ve been out of the field for quite some time but I do hold a specialists degree with a focus on assessment (school psych) and I’m wondering if that would help shorten the length/requirements for a program. And if it would be worth it to me to get the PsyD. Right now I am eligible for the LLP but that doesn’t seem great for private practice, due to needing supervision. Thanks so much for any input!
Yes, absolutely. I'm sure there may be schools that would take some of the credits that you have, it's def worth asking. Since PsyD programs focus on a lot of assessment courses that could possibly shorten the requirements for a program. You also would be able to build on your prior knowledge of assessments and do way more with a psyd. Hope that helps!
How is University of San Francisco, for PsyD?
I'm not sure, but you might be able to ask/email the school about specific rankings or what they are known for
Phil, what is super expansive?
good question, it's hard to answer because expensive is relative for the person. What I mean by that is really to take into consideration other additional costs for living. If a graduate program is in a big city, and it's a lot of money to find an apt, gas is way more, food costs more, and it's a lot longer of a program....just because it might be a great program doesn't mean you should take out more student loans than you need if you get accepted into another program that is accredited or just as good and way more affordable (tuition, costs of living, etc). At the end of the day regardless of where you graduate from, licensed psychologists will be paid the same amount at a community center, or in a VA or in academic medical center. Most employers are really only going to care about the licensure, experience, and the fit rather than what school you attended.
I’m a licensed MSW and will have my LISW soon. So I want to get my ph.d because I want to do research and I thought psyD would be a good option. No? I could still be practicing and making money maybe?
Great question. You have a lot of options. Depending on the school that you go to (most schools have a clause that either permits already licensed therapists to be able to do therapy as a part-time job) but some may have restrictions so it's good to check first with the schools that you apply to whether phd/psyd. There are also plenty of psyd programs that are very adequate at research, although I would say if you love research and want to go to a funded program, phd is a good option as well. I have other videos on my channel that you can look into for more details. Plenty of people who are licensed as therapists can still make money throughout graduate school especially in private practice but there may be restrictions depending on the state and the program. The second-fouth/fifth year of the program does get significantly busier so the hours that you can do so will probably change from year to year. I hope this helps, best of luck!
🙏🏾
So happy I found this video, much later than you posted it, but still very helpful. I have been a nurse working with neurorecovery patients and in the process of exploring further education, either towards counseling/clinical psychology/social work, or continuing towards a NP. This topic is very interesting and your thoughts are very helpful.
Glad it’s helpful best of luck on your journey!
Hey great video. I am checking all your videos to get a crystal clear idea about Psy.D. and neuropsychology
But I have a quick doubt.
1. Do we get paid in the internships and post doc ? Because here in India we have to pay for internships.
2. Can you earn while you are studying ?
Please reply Phil. It will be a great help for me. Cheers
Hello,
1. Yes most internships are payed, as well as post doc.
2. If you wanted to get a part time job outside of grad school you could earn and make some money while studying and some programs like PhD are funded and provide stipends.
I just found your channel Phil. Thank you for this. I’m currently in a Forensic Mental Health Counseling program and I’m still trying to decide between continuing school or to start work and get my licensure. Since undergrad, I thought I wanted to get my doctorate but after being in my master’s program I’m leaning more on the side of looking for work and work towards licensure.
No problem, glad it was helpful!
Can I ask ? Is a PSYD able to diagnose behavioral disorders like Autism ?
Yes, they can, as long as they have the appropriate training/supervision or practicum experience from their PsyD program to perform those assessments, and most PsyD programs will offer those opportunities. It's possible though that someone can go through their program and not learn too much related to assessment of Autism disorders, in which case they would refer out.
Which program do you attend?
Feel free to check out my Linkedin profile!
This is right on time. Thank you.
You are so welcome
Hey Phil! I plan to go tp medical school and become a doctor, but i've always wanted to be a clinical psychologist. Do you think that it's possible for me to do both?
Hi, great question. Since medical school and clinical psychology school are different fields it would take a really long time. Med school is 4 years and then maybe another 3-5 year residency while clinical psychology is 4-6 years and then a 1-2 year internship/post doc. That might be 16 years of school if you decide to do both which is a lot of time and money. If you are looking to do both you might try and look into becoming a psychiatrist. 4 years of medschool and then 3 years of psychiatry residency. Psychiatrists can do everything a clinical psychologist can (therapy and a little assessment) as well as prescribe medication so that might be a good option. Or even looking into becoming a neuropsychologist which is also similar to being a doctor, it's a lot more assessment and in some states with additional certification you could get training in prescribing medication. Hope that helps. Best of luck!
All honesty you should pick one or the other you realistically cant do both jobs if you wanna do both just to call yourself both thats not a good reason to be a good doctor or psychologist you can’t be putting half your effort in being a psychologist if you wanna be a medical doctor. and if you wanna be a medical doctor you cant put half your effort into being a psychologist you wont have time for both and patients for both careers will need the best attentive care they can from their doctor and u cant do that attempting both careers and you’ll rack in tons of debt bc both paths are expensive you will need to pick one career and if u go this route you wont be fully done with skull till approaching your 40’s bc both paths take a long time and money choose which one speaks more to your heart which one you will gain better finance from
@@philsguidetopsyd Thanks!!
@@Derekdach344 Thank you, I appreciate it.
@@xirblade4757 no problem im sure you’ll be a great doctor whether it be medical doctor or mental health doctor
Hey! What if you have a degree in Bachelors of Health Science & want to do Psyd in clinical psychology. Would I have to do a masters first or can I go straight into the PSYD program? Thank you
Hello, great question! It depends on what programs you apply to. In the U.S. you do not need a masters to apply for a psyd program you just need to fulfill the pre-requistie courses, which are usually found on a program's website in their application process. Usually its intro to psych, abnormal psych, cognitive psych, and maybe a few others like stats, etc. If those courses are taken then it usually doesn't matter what your major is, schools accepts students from a wide range of backgrounds. I would double check in your area and with the schools that you'd like to apply to before getting a masters, you may not need it. International schools outside the U.S. tend to require a masters so location is a big part of that decision.