Archaeologist Reviews Minecraft Archaeology | Minecraft 1.20 Snapshot | Bite-Size Archaeology (Ep 8)
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2023
- Minecraft is adding archaeology in 1.20, and it’s already out for testing in the 1.20 snapshots! Today I’m taking a look at archaeology as it stands in Minecraft Snapshot 23w12a. How does it compare to actual archaeology? I have lots of thoughts about it all, so let’s dive into it!
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They changed it with sherds this snapshot
They did - it makes me so happy!!!
"The past does not exist to be useful to the present" - I think a lot of people see features in a game and think they need to help you get to point X or the end game but I love things in games that are just to have fun. It's just a different way to play the game and enjoy it.
Yes!! This is such a good thing to keep in mind for these archaeology mechanics - especially since the devs said from the beginning that this update is all about stories and representation!
@@ArchaeoPlays Everyone loves a good side quest so they just need to think about it in that way I guess :D
I mentioned this quote when I was explaining the debate around the update to my mom. If anyone complains about the finds in the archaeology sites, I’m definitely saying this to them. ❤
Exactly! Minecraft's a sandbox game, yet many people treat updates as if they were added to an adventure or open world game. 1.20's useless in terms of progression, but it's probably the best update in terms of decorative features.
One thing I'd like to change. is to add special items that can tell a story specific to each dig site. Perhaps jewelry or a crown near the temples from some royals, maybe some ancient tools or cutlery or other food containing stuff around another digsite, or perhaps some unknown ocean ruins specific archy items.
Currently lots of the items are mostly existing items.
Hello from Mojang! Lovely video! I am one of the primary designers for Trail Ruins. You can see my previous work in Bastion Remnants and Ancient Cities. It is very lovely to see your theories, and especially the note about the color palette. Looking forward to seeing what else you will find when [redacted].
Hello - I'm so glad you like the video! I love the trail ruins - they're fantastic! I didn't go into what all the stuff I found means in this video because then it would have been _way_ too long, but my goodness is there a lot there. Also, whoever had the idea to make the main structure a bunny (at least in the variant I excavated) - I adore it and it makes me ridiculously happy! I'm also so happy to hear you also worked on the Bastion Remnants and Ancient Cities - they're such good structures/sites!!! Also, something I didn't put in the video: I noticed that there's an awful lot of a certain dirt/soil type in the trail ruins, which, as an archaeologist, is a bit sus...
So excited to find [redacted] things! Also, the sites you find the mourner shard in is easily one of the biggest lore moments in this update outside the trail ruins, and I'm a little surprised more people aren't talking about it. I might need to make another video...
No way, an actual dev?
I have to admit, the amount of sus sand and gravel I had to break in this video hurt my soul a bit… 😅
AMAZING VIDEO THANK YOU
P.S. sorry for your loss
This is such a wonderful view of a video game mechanic. I honestly put minimal thought into this but after watching this I appreciate the effort by the devs 100% more. Thank you so much for your perspective.
Thank you so much! I'm so glad I could give things more context within archaeology 😊
In addition to "the past does not exist to be useful to the present" (say it again for the back!), the ability to copy the shErds as a way to be mindful of those in communities where looting and colonial removal of local history is still painful is such a huge issue! As an update focused on stories and representation, that is currently a huge oversight and really should be addressed in the final version.
Also, the stories about how Minecraft impacts the knowledge children have about the world around them are great reminders that this is not "just a game" in that sense.
Thank you so much for this video, Archaeo! It was well worth the wait.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it and that the wait was worth it! And yea, the ability to copy the sherds is pretty key, but I also think it's one of those things that might not be on someone's mind if they're not from an area or community that's deeply affected by those issues and they're not an archaeologist themselves. It might be one of those things that once someone says it, it feels obvious, but until someone says it, it can be difficult to think of on your own...
I always enjoy hearing feedback from a passionate expert, and I appreciate even more that yours is so constructive. Thanks so much for this video, and sorry about the need to break so much suspicious sand and gravel in the filming.
Thank _you_ so much for watching! In fairness, a lot of the sus sand and gravel breaking was using creative blocks, but the fact that that still hurt my soul a bit is a testament to how fantastic a noise they make when they break. Honestly, when I discovered it on stream, it left me speechless for a solid minute!
I’ve been waiting for this video from the moment they released archaeology in the snapshot! You did not disappoint. Great insights.
Oh my goodness thank you so much! The video definitely took longer than I had hoped, but on the plus side, it let me cover the massive update in snapshot 23w12a. I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
The new trail ruins are even better now!! They're bigger and have so many cool little buildings that you can better glean what they were used for!
I saw!!! I was going to wait until the full release, but my stream on Tuesday might just be me exploring the new trail ruins... 👀
The point about the trowel though valid I do not think they would do this mostly because trowels are in fairly big modpacks so there is a certain layer in the player base that see a trowel as something completely different and it could be something they want to add in future.
yea, I agree - as I said, those two things are pretty minor, and the trowel is more of a 'it would be nice' sort of thing rather than a 'I'm so upset' kind of thing! Especially with everything else in this update - I'd _much_ rather have these mechanics and use a brush than use a trowel and have mechanics that don't do what this system does in terms of ensuring care and respect for the sites and finds or the reminder of loss when sus sand or gravel breaks.
There’s also a clarity aspect to it.
Most people, if they’ve seen trowels in their life, it was in construction or gardening projects. People may have difficulty grasping what they’re doing with a trowel, but a brush…
Everybody gets what a brush does. It’s the ideal tool to represent how delicate the work is.
So, I really don’t think Mojang will add trowels, even though I’m sure they considered it and probably wanted to include it.
To me, the reward pool for the Archaeology system feels a lot like the reward pool for the Fishing system in the game. Sometimes, you just get fish, which is exactly what you'd expect to fish up. Rarely, you'll find Treasure items, like enchanted bows and fishing rods, enchanted books, and nametags (which are only really valuable because you can't craft them yourself, but that's besides the point.) But then, also, almost more often than you'll find Treasure, you'll find... Junk. The list of Junk items is much bigger than that of Treasure. A set of boots that were lost, rotten flesh and bones are not particularly useful materials when compared to a bow that has the ability to fire flaming arrows, and yet, they still show up in the list of fishable items.
And, funny thing is, I've yet to see a single person complain about this? I think it's because to a lot of people, it's much more natural feeling to find trash from fishing, than it is to find it from digging it up. But, seriously, it makes SENSE that you'd find trash in these buildings because remember, Minecraft is a Post-Apocalypse. These ruins are ruins NOW, but at some point, they were DENSELY populated with large, sprawling civilizations big enough to build impressive monuments, seafaring vessels, and even a large underground city cohabited with the strongest killing machine in the minecraft world. You SHOULD expect powerful enchanted gear, or precious gemstones to be found, given how powerful these civilizations are known to be, but you SHOULD also expect a young child's favorite bowl, or a bunch of seemingly random glass panes, because these people were humans, and these are the sorts of things us humans leave behind.
Another similar complaint was one people had with Simulacra It was a small indie horror game with a simple premise. You have, somehow (The first game didn't bother trying to explain this), gotten ahold of the phone of a woman named Anna who has gone missing under mysterious circumstances. It is now your job to look through the phone for any clues as to where she might be, and help locate her before it's too late. One of the game's mechanics is that a lot of the texts and images are horribly corrupted, and you have to play a small puzzle before you're allowed to read them, and a common complaint was that not all corruptions had meaningful hints, which misses the point that corruption, yes even that of supernatural origin, doesn't just affect important files, it affects everything from critical system files, to that list of song name ideas you came up with once and promptly forgot about.
Your point about archaeologists using trowels more than brushes makes me wonder if in a future update, there could be paleontology added (suspicious RED sand, maybe?) that would use brushes for paleo blocks and introduce trowels for archaeo blocks- we paleontologists use brushes very frequently in the field (sometimes paintbrushes, sometimes toothbrushes depending on the sediment type- we also use dental picks a LOT, cue jokes about prehistoric dentistry).
The fact that minecraft introduced archaeology so well makes me hopeful that on the unlikely chance they do introduce paleontology, they'd pull it off well- and maybe the power of minecraft on the public consciousness would help people to stop mixing the two up :']
I was hoping a paleontologist might chime in! That's interesting you use brushes so much, but I can see how useful they'd be for clearing off bones/fossils. We definitely do that for stones, for example, just expose them and then let the remaining dirt dry on the surface and brush it off for drawings/photos, but I think a lot of the time we've just used our hands to brush it off!
It'd be really great to see paleontology added into Minecraft, especially given the public confusion between the two! They do already have fossils in the game, but there's not much to them at the moment. That said, the archaeology mechanic ended up revamping a number of largely unused structure types, so there's hope yet!
One of the best videos about trail ruins I see, and THANK YOU for point out the color palette of the ruins and ancient statues!
Thank you! And yea, the colour palettes are really cool - it's easy to forget just how colourful the past was! Honestly it's one of the things I like about ancient glass - for the most part, the objects are the same colour they were when people first made them. There are definitely exceptions, but if you study ancient glass, the colours and the difference in colour preferences across time and space are honestly about half of what we look at!
@@ArchaeoPlays Yeah! People usually only see the skills on sculpt and arquitecture of ancient people but forget all the creativity and love they put on everything they do and make
I started my archaeology education this year and during one of the lectures, Minecraft came to mind (for so many reasons) and I'm pleased to discover that evidently this was not an original thought 😂 Really love your content and I cant wait to binge them all/see what you have coming next!
Love this video! Though I wanted to note that the materials in the trail ruins aren't necessarily non-local, in the context of minecraft. Terracotta can be made from clay, which can in turn be found in rivers, and mud bricks can be made just using dirt, wheat, and water, all common materials that can be found just about everywhere.
Oh that's very true!!! Okay, so with that knowledge, that means this site was either a major power centre, a major trade hub, OR a major manufacturing centre (or a combination of 2-3 of those). The clay point is a good one, too, because these sites spawn near waterways...
this is the first video by you that i caught and i find your enthusiasm very admirable! sub earned my friend!
I really enjoyed this video. Having more insight into archaeology from the perspective of Minecraft and how it compares to the real world was really interesting. I appreciate what the devs do and having an in-depth look into these things really makes me more excited about it. I hope more people see your videos. I look forward to seeing more of your channel.
I would never have expected the trowel to be a main tool for archaeology. I sometimes use trowels at work for sites that may one day become archaeology sites of their own. Funny that the trowel is a tool used on both ends of the timeline.
Oh that's TRUE! That's so cool - I'd never thought of that before!
Great video, as always! I'm so excited for this update!
I remember when you told the story about wax on stream, and I'm happy to hear it again here. In addition to being funny, it's also really heartwarming to see the positive impact video games can have on people.
I had the exact same theory about trail ruins!my idea is they were trade hubs and were super fragile,causing the state of desrepair today!
My new most hated sound is when the suspicious gravel or sand breaks
I think that this will be my favorite structure in the game. Can't wait to find them in the world... Loved your review about Archeology. Hope to see more when the update finally comes.
I'm so excited by both these and the ocean ruins, which can get rather large depending on how many of the smaller buildings spawn. I've seen a few with 8 or more! Not as many artefacts as the trail ruins, but still quite a bit!
You ate with this video. Absolutely ate up the negative press. But in all honesty great video! Loved hearing your thoughts!
Fellow archaeologist here! Was thinking of maybe making this type of video myself, but as someone with more experience, you put it better than I ever could. Doesn't help that my native language isn't English so I couldn't call out some of the more inaccurate terminology for instance, which you did a good job at.
I really agree with the suggestion of incorporating archaeology into other structures, chiefly the Piglin Bastions. The whole structure always gave me a Late/Post Roman vibe. They're living in the ruins of a once thriving civilisation, but they either don't know or don't care. Once again, the past does not exist to be useful to the present.
Oh cool - it's always fun to find other archaeologists here! I'd say go for making that kind of video anyway - your English is fantastic, and you could also make content in Portuguese if you like (I'm guessing, given your username?). And very much agreed on the bastions - I love that they're living in these remnants without worrying about repairing them, and it'd be really cool to see how their attitude towards gold would be reflected in both what you find there and how they react when you dig it up!
@@ArchaeoPlays It's not necessarily that I am not eloquent in English, it's basically a second language at this point, but given I conduct most of my work in Portuguese and/or Spanish, I wouldn't catch on to the more intricate/nitty-gritty English archaeological vocabulary, such as "sherd", and that was the one of the simpler takeaways from the video.
Personally I am glad this video got made, you seem to have a much better videomaking set going on (and a much nicer voice I might add!) and obviously more experience. I had honestly given up on making such a video due to time constraints and the idea that someone else would make a much better video than I could, which you did, so don't worry.
You seem to be picking up a lot of exposure from this video which I'm glad for, it's nice to see fellow archaeologists making it in the UA-cam "edutainment" (for lack of a better term) scene as of late. Maybe one day I'll make videos myself (can't guarantee they'll be about the field, or in English, or even that I'll ever make them at all) but so far my contribution to the scene in question is one new subscriber for yourself!
A very good commentary. I love your thoughts and points
Thank you!!!!
Great video as always ❤ I am very excited to see this update in action
Thank you!! I'm so looking forward to the full release - once that happens, this series is going into full on excavation mode!
love this vid, sick channel
This is fantastic and makes me want to play again!
Great video.
First of all, I have questions:
1. What do you think as archeologist about depth on which there are Trail Ruins?
2. What do you think as archeologist about ruins of Ancient City?
I haven't played with Trail Ruins yet but whenever I see them on videos and how deep they are I have thought "Is it still archeology or already palaeontology?" Such thick layer of rocks! suggests that sedentary settlements developed in the minecraft world milions years earlier than in real life world or that Trail Ruines were subject of some gigantic catastrophe, even bigger than f.e. the Vesuvius explosion and the situation with the Ancient City is even stranger because it looks like thing built overground but it is deep underground.
I am glad that they've added archeology although I didn't waiting for it. I like current form even more than that one from 2020 because here we can uncovering every layer of dirt alone and there is no lore gap who beside us may be archeologists in the Minecraft world if archeologic sites already exist.
I agree with almost all your arguments and propositions. Maybe the only not obviouse thing which I would add are suspicious dirt/gravel/sand in villages. That would show that villages are not new things but settelments with long history.
I am not sure about suspicious endstone or netherack because we don't know anything about geology of End and Nether however I also think that piglines need more lore. The only place where archeology should not appear is Ancient City because it really doesn't suit there.
I am happy that Mojang decided to add more lore into Minecraft together with archeology.
Minecraft is incredibly useful for education, even modded Minecraft! I know a heck of a lot about how industrial processing & nuclear reactors because I've *built* those systems in modded Minecraft.
My family has been following you since the Spawn Chunks appearance, and this video was amazing. (And I'm glad you approve of the depiction of archeology in the upcoming release.)
Based on your comments in the Spawn Chunks, and respecting the nearby residents... What if there was a potter villager that would take a pot as a job block? Then you could take a pot back to a village, and a villager could learn from it, and make duplicates of it. (As well as trade clay, etc.)
Oh, I like that idea! It would probably need some tweaking of the mason villager, since their initial trade will take clay or give bricks for emeralds. So either a new potter villager or just a tweak of the mason villager to allow for the pottery elements to appear at certain levels of trade...
i would love to see this same perspective applied to other ruined structures in the game like ocean ruins, bastion remains and ancient cities. very interesting video and insights!
Oh absolutely - the cold ocean ruins are probably one of my favourite lore-based structures based purely on what you find there! I'm definitely going to have videos on those, too - I just need 1.20 to be released first!
What a great objective review! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you!
I love this! idk if you're aware of it, but using the debug stick in pots we learn they have cracked block state
Oh, that's really cool!! That's just a nice design feature, since they're made from re-assembled pieces. Does that do something specific in terms of mechanics, do you know? (I'm less familiar with block states, can you tell? 😅)
Loved this video, new sub!
Thank you and welcome!!
I thought a video like this had to exist lol, so I looked it up, and im not disappointed! lets also not forget you can make terracotta in minecraft out of clay, which is made in turn from mud made from wet dirt.
Oh possible sherd origin lol
I also really like how minecraft mixes the public expected adventure aspect of archeology in by using its pre-existing adventure mechanics, and also revitalizing mostly useless structures through archeology
I appreciate this video so much. I had no idea why pottery sherds were called sherds with an e, and why every youtuber also called them sherds, and it really bothered me because I thought it was a mistake or an inside joke I didn't get. I didn't even think to google it or anything because I didn't think it was purposeful, and I would've lost that learning opportunity had I not found this video. So, thank you!
I'm so glad this cleared things up for you! Weirdly, though also unsurprisingly, sherd and shard are from the same root word: sceard in Old English (pronounced like sh-a (as in at) - ah-rd) which turned into scherd/sherd/shard in Middle English.
I was so waiting to see your comment on the update!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Play archaeologist (this) ≠ Play treasure hunter (indiana jones)
Great job on this video!
Yes!! Thank you!!
This is an excellent video!!!!
Listening in to the fascinating insights really did increase my appreciation for structures like trail ruins. Especially loved how all the real life examples of colour palletes.
Thanks for making this video! I think this really shows that the a lot of care has been taken to add this mechanic to the game.
If I had any suggestions for Archaeology, I think variants for Trial Ruins (with the same materials) could make them even cooler to encounter during a journey
I really hope they rename Shards to Sherds now! I definitely see this happening if it gets enough attention!
Thank you - I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I've got some more info on the pigments in my latest post in the Community tab - I think you'll find it really interesting!
I think there are some variants for the Trail Ruins - I've seen someone post images of a very red and blue building... but I agree that variation would be really cool! Also, since the main building I excavated is very clearly a rabbit, I'm curious if there's one that is very clearly a panda...
@@ArchaeoPlays A ruins showing animals such a cute idea :D
Might make players to even just figure out WHAT this ancient civilisation did back then
The community post is really interesting!!! 👀
I'm waiting for the update do experience archeology for myself, but I'm really excited for it. And I just adored your take on it. I was honestly just waiting for a video from you to come and I remember when you were on the spawn chunks talking about it and when they recently also discussed a bit (you said something in the chat).
Anyways, I'm glad Mojang did so much right.
Thank you!! I'm glad I could give you such a helpful and welcome video - it took longer than I hoped, but I think that was ultimately for the better given the 23w12a changes 😅 I'm so glad you enjoyed the Spawn Chunks content, too - I enjoy being in the chat with you all during the recordings!
I love archeology and it’s so nice to learn more about it from an actual archeologist. Love hearing your perspective on this ❤
Btw have you tried any of the minecraft archeology mods? Like the fossils and archeology mod or the Atum mod?
I haven't! I do like exploring mods, though, so I'll definitely check those out!
It's interesting watching this now 1.20 has been released and seeing what's changed and what hasn't. I do think keeping the brush as the tool for archaeology was a good decision. Something about a brush - especially with the inaccurate feather - says "softly, softly, gently, gently" and emphasises that archaeological remains need to be treated with care in a way a trowel or a mattock just doesnt. It really sends the message to players - even those who don't engage with archaeology or never find a ruin but just know it's the correct tool - that archaeological remains shouldn't just be carelessly hacked at.
Wonderful! to hear! you! So excited!!!!!
Oh my goodness, so much excitement! It's such a good update!!!
This video is very educational and I loved that you explained that archaeology is not supposed to be a thrilling adventure but a method to preserve our past.
Yes!! I'm also so excited about archaeology in Minecraft in part because it's a whole new system that can have new sites and artefact added at anytime
It's interesting talking about how to balance the realism aspects to the video gamey aspects. I recently played ProGameBot's take on archeological sites which incorporated more of the silly Indiana Jones style aspects like a room that's rigged to fill with sand, but also made a point to incorporate more of the story aspects by making the backstory of his digsites being how the Illagers uncovered their magical abilities. It was really interesting to dig through and I agree on the aspects of the suspicious sand/gravel and how them being delicate still meant I tread through the structure with care after I accidentally broke one of the vases trying to pick it up with my hands.
Basically what I'm saying is I agree with him that it can be improved in some ways to make the structures you find them in more fun, but also with you that the details that they've put in with the actual excavation process are all great as is.
Being able to make sus sand and sus gravel yourself is really important for people who like making server games in survival. My suggestion on how to "craft" it is more visual, I'd like for us to be able to drop the falling block into an item entity on the floor and instead of it jittering and trying to escape the block's hit box it just changes into sus sand and stores that item inside the sand. I recognise that I know nothing about what is possible to make happen through code, but I just really like it when things in minecraft are made in the world instead of through a crafting table. Very informative video, btw, I've came away learning a few tidbits about archeological sites that I'm genuinely interested in learning.
Oh absolutely. And I really like the idea of dropping the block onto an item! I'm not sure how possible that is in vanilla, though I know certain mods use that type of mechanic...
Hey, ArchaeoPlays, happy Easter!! Thanks for making another excellent video in the Bite-sized series. How's it going on the ArchaeoPlays server? For that matter, how is your Pictish D&D huide coming along? Hope you and yours have a wonderful Easter weekend.
Happy Easter to you too! The server is going pretty well - I do need to upload more VODs soon... My health has taken a bit of a hit these last few months, so I haven't had time! But I do have some major updates to my base that I'm hoping to make on stream soon, which I think you'll enjoy...
The Pictish D&D guide is also moving along! The research is basically done and we're into the writing and layout phases. It's been really fun to see everything start to come together into a really coherent book. The research was often on specific topics that related to each other, but the way we had separated them felt a bit disjointed. Now that the research is done, the writers have been able to reorganise things so that a really nice narrative thread flows through the whole thing, which has been really cool to see!
I hope you and yours also have a nice Easter weekend!
@@ArchaeoPlays I'm sorry to hear your health has taken some battering these past months. I hope you're improving now that spring is in the air. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Glad to hear that both the server and the book are coming along nicely. I'm interested to hear about the updates to both. You know, that might be an interesting side project: to stream a campaign based on your book, once it's done.
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While that is a great point, I wouln't mind a variety of digsights in general. Currently all of digsights are like that. And *that* I have problem with. I'd love to see some digsights from local materials as well.
Perhaps they could add the trowel for archaeology and maybe give the brush a use for palaeontology for fossils from ancient creatures like the sniffer, i would love it if they add palaeontology because i can put fossil pieces together to make a giant skeleton
Oh I really like this idea!!! Especially with all the ancient mobs and flowers they're adding, it'd be really cool to add fossils of those creatures/plants as well...
I’m so glad you brought up the fact that archeology should be in the Bastians I haven’t seen a lot of people talk about that
I really, really want archaeology in bastions! I basically never go to bastions at the moment because it feels like a lot of hassle, but if there's archaeology in there, you bet I'm going to excavate!
one time i got stuck in the bone yard at disney world lol i guess i wanted to be a archeologist way before i liked minecraft
Hey, just seeing this video now, but sus sand and gravel is actually pretty easily obtainable in survival. I know that its a bug and wasn't ever intended, but just thought I'd let you know that you get get it in survival by dropping it into a soul sand bubble column or into cobwebs. It doesn't have any loot when you place it back down though.
Yea, this video was released before (or just as) the videos of how to get sus sand and gravel were released, so at the time it wasn't easily done. That said, I still don't know that I would go through the trouble, since you lose the item inside... I really hope thy make a crafting recipe for it eventually!
Something worth noting is that the archeology mechanics encourage you to deliberately use weaker tools to mine slowly to avoid breaking suspicious blocks. This is accurate to real archaeology too, as, as you said, you need to dig slowly and delicately using precision tools like trowels in order to avoid accidentally ruining what you dig up.
Also, on your point about lore-related block availability: Mud can be made from dirt, clay can be made by drip-drying mud, and terracotta can be made from smelting clay, which means whatever civilisation built the trail ruins could easily obtain all the resources they need to build it from any of the biomes it spawns in.
Yes - someone else also made the point about clay and mud and it's a good one! I wish I could pin multiple comments...
Given that, I'd say it adds a third option to what this site was - major power centre, major trade hub, or major manufacturing/industrial centre. I know the amount of material that survives in these ruins isn't ridiculously large, but given the size of the road, I'm assuming this was a much larger site and a lot of it has been carted off or destroyed...
Are you happy they finally called the pottery shards, pottery shreds and how do you feel about the initial dig sites from Minecraft live
I'm very happy they changed it! I've seen so many archaeologists and anthropologists celebrating the change, too, which has been really nice to see!
I like the initial dig sites they had in Minecraft Live, especially the signs they've placed with ideas about what a structure might be. I can see pretty easily how the sherds and the sites themselves evolved from that into the trail ruins and revamps of other ruins around Minecraft, and I can see how they can expand that in the future, too. I know a lot of people are disappointed in the shift from brushing away layers to brushing the block and the artefact slowly rises out of it, but I can see a lot of reasons for going with the system they went with.
I think we deserve more rewards/useful things that are related to archeology because at it’s current state it’s a bit dull. Yes, throwing rewards in dig sites isn’t a solution but maybe we should be able to colour the sherds/pots (as you mentioned) or search for some very rare but rewarding things (other than sherds ofc)
Also by “rewarding” I just mean anything that is useful or cool in any way, I just want something
If archeology is done with updates, I think when the update releases I’ll just play with it a bit, maybe get the sniffer egg and few sherds, and that’s pretty much it
In my opinion, the best “single” thing that we got out all of this is the pot, easily crafted, you can do a lot with it (even without the sherds), and it’s a very cool and unique block
Certainly, your video made me more excited for archeology, but we still need something, and at this point, coloured pots is enough for me
There's not much else to say; this is a great review of the Archeology changes in Minecraft, and it's great to see feedback now while it's still experimental! I agree with most points of change you mentioned for this update, but one I somewhat disagree with is using a trowel for separating artifacts and earth.
Although it may be a nice tool with the stats of "greater dexterity" and others, it may be too late for there to be positive feedback. Many snapshot and beta players may be used to the brush already, and many viewers of snapshot/beta gameplay will also associate brushes with suspicious sand/gravel. One other note is that it would be tough to compare it with a golden shovel, where a trowel might only dig suspicious sand/gravel fast, while a golden shovel digs other earthy materials fast. It would be odd to trump the legacy feature of a golden shovel, in which golden tools destroy blocks fastest. If other valuable traits came about when using a trowel, however, I would be all for it!
Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Great morals to be picked up and an even greater taste of real-world archeology knowledge!
Yea, I agree that a trowel is unlikely to get added, mostly because the brush is already there, and adding the trowel AND the brush seems overly complicated in a way that would either diminish what each tool does or, as you say, run into legacy features like gold shovels, etc.
u should look at the minecraft live 2020 archelogy protype footage they have a interesting site they should add and also they used to have the ability to smelt the shards onto pots to tell the stories idk if thats accurate but if it is they should use campfires i really enjoyed your video
Another hypothetical reason that the trail ruins might have so much terracotta is the wandering traders, maybe they are a much older nomad group than previously thought, maybe the wandering traders interacted with these ancient people at some point and brought them terracotta and the plants needed to make blue, green, purple and brown dyes, in the same way a modern player stuck on a survival island, a skyblock, or a superflat might get the materials
Ah, that's very true! Makes me wonder if we might get more archaeology sites in more biomes eventually...
They fixed the sherd shard thing
9:13 poisonous potatoes should be possible loot in susp sand
first time watcher of your channel, really nice! really made me appreciate the new stuff more
honestly, i feel like archy feels a little bit incomplete as of now, in the most part because i feel like there's more that could be done to improve it, namely more digsites like smaller house digsites and bringing them to ancient cities which i feel like was built with them in mind (while not ancient cities which were introduced after both features were delayed, the deep dark and archy was intended for the same update after all). perhaps more creative and storytelling-focused items could be introduced as new drops when excavating digsites, though not a necessity (like poem books in digsite chests to show players that yes, written books exist)
trail ruins i wasn't really sure about at first, when i saw them they did look ruined so i didn't mind them but i didn't exactly like the terracotta since it was out of place, but your interpretation of them being towns from powerful ruined civilizations actually makes more sense (except for them being relatively small to the point that they feel like villages but that's just a nitpick) especially given the ancient builder theory is a really popular way to explain structures. though i have not yet excavated a trail ruin myself (nor do i plan to, as i mostly play creative, though i did try my hand on building a ruin or few before) so i can't really say anything about how they actually feel to excavate.
19:15 given how end stone and netherrack are hard blocks which brushes or trowels probably won't work on, i'd imagine new blocks (or suspicious gravel for the nether) would be used to make archeology sites for the other dimensions instead, but that'd still be really interesting and expands the possibility of giving these places new lore. end update idea perhaps?
Thanks! I absolutely agree that poisonous potatoes should get added!! If we end up with a crafting recipe for sus soil types, then I can remake that trench 😂
I also agree that there are definitely ways archaeology can be expanded, and I'm assuming it will be in the future. One thing I didn't mention in the video is that the trail ruins have a lot of dirt and coarse dirt in them, and I strongly suspect that the coarse dirt could be a placeholder for what will eventually be sus dirt. I also think with sus gravel, it makes sense to add some of that to ancient cities (or some other sus soil type, but gravel probably matches the colour palette the best).
I think there is currently some variation in the trail ruins - the one I excavated in the video had different smaller buildings to one I excavated on stream, and I've also seen other people post images of one where the main/big building is red and blue rather than the rabbit motif the one in the video is. But I'm always in favour of more variation!
I was thinking about the sus endstone or sus netherrack being more stone variants rather than soil types. I think sus gravel in the nether would work pretty well, at least around a bastion, but I agree it might require a new block for the end. It'd be cool if that got added, though one of the things I like about the sys sand and sus gravel is that they blend into the natural sand and gravel really well. So we'd need a new end soil type _and_ a sus version of that soil type. I suppose they could have it just spawn around end cities, though, to save needing to put the new soil type elsewhere in the end... 🤔
@@ArchaeoPlaysmaybe they could add sus soul sand in the nether as well. However I think we would need a new sus block for adding sites to the end.
they need to untilize the bone rib cages u can find underground and also in the nether and make things like mineshafts to have dig sites
yes - I think it'd be pretty great to use what Minecraft already has, though with the fossils, it might be good to work in palaeontology or geology, too!
@@ArchaeoPlays yea
Honestly this seems like a fun addition. I'm glad Minecraft is adding stuff just to make the world feel more alive and give you more to do and explore through out. Although I tend to stick to older editions these days due to a lot of my favorite mods not having been updated past it, I do agree that a fair amount of those mods are stuff like this. Small additions to the world to make exploring more fun.
yea, I'm a big fan of modded, too, and the exploration factor is one of the main reasons I'm so drawn to most modpacks! I'm glad to see a lot of that exploration being brought into the vanilla game - the amount of lore that just got added is huge 😁
I always find the views of experts reviewing game mechanics to be interesting, and I think the way you've put this video together has been better than any such review I've seen in the past
Thank you so much - I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
When 1.20 launches, i want to find one of those big structures, build a tiny house near it and fence off the area and then excavate.
Yes!! My plan for this Bite-Size Archaeology series now is to basically prep for and then do a series of excavations to see what we can decode from the structures and the finds.
wouldn´t it be cool if you could dig up the tip of a weapon and combine it with bamboo to a spear ?
Archeo, im trying to piece a timeline and I need your knowledge. Seeing the depth that the trail ruins are, and the locations where we can find pottery sherds, you think trail ruins and ocean ruins could belong to the same time period?
Okay, so depth-wise, you're right - they can be found at similar depths! BUT - all sites get buried at different rates depending on their environs and what happens to them after they're abandoned. So unfortunately we can't really use depth to talk about which is older or younger or if they're in the same timeline.
They do all have similar pottery (not the designs on the sherds, but the colours and what we call the 'fabric' of the pottery). That might change before 1.20's release, but right now, since they're interchangeable with each other in terms of making the decorative pots, they would need to be very similar to each other to form such a uniform pot. So we can safely say that all five archaeological sites are at least making very similar styles of pottery.
But even then, we can't assign similar time periods, because they might just have been aware of the pottery style or could be ancestors or descendants of each other. One thing that is different to the trail ruins is that they have glass panes where the other sites don't (at least, not yet, I don't think). So we could argue that the trail ruins are later than the ocean ruins because of the glass, maybe.
But personally, since things change with each snapshot, I would maybe wait on identifying artefact similarities until 1.20 is full released. I know that doesn't really help you right now, though - archaeology is often difficult like that!
we need a whole update dedicated to archelogy
what about this update then
I have not watched the whole video yet, but if you could rename suspicious sand and gravel, what would you name them?
Pottery shards were then renamed to sherds.
Yes, they were! In part because of this video, actually...
the wooden hoe should come in different durabilities so it "looks" used
Hi! I can't believe it took me this long to watch the infamous sherd video. I've seen it shared around in places and I really, really loved it!
But I have to ask, how accurate do you think... right clicking with a shovel would be, instead of adding a brush or a trowel?
Personally, I'm against 1-use tools in the game, for the sake of anti-bloat, but I'm also for accuracy.
Thank you! I'd personally be in favour of right-clicking with a shovel, though if I had to guess, they didn't do that most likely because of confusion between right clicking to excavate and right clicking to make path blocks (especially if they eventually want to add something like sus dirt). But I agree - adding more tools only works to a certain point, at least until inventory issues are resolved a bit!
I don't understand why all the cars are brown... While there is a huge variety of different pottery colors...
So it sucks, I can't have colored pottery...
I'm also very disappointed that by improving the desert they didn't add quicksand...
Yea, I think that's something that's in the works - it's such a logical step, and I could see wanting to start with a single colour in the snapshots to work out any other issues before adding more colours to the mix!
@@ArchaeoPlays they made lots of different words with different patterns, but no different colors, it's such a shame...
thank you for replying to my comment, your video is interesting
There's this archeology mod and i would love to hear your thoughts about it, it's called capslock archeology mod
Thanks - I'll have a look at it! Might end up in a future video...
I would love to see someone who actually knows what they’re doing restore all the possible structures in trail ruins (including details like using the hanging signs found in sus sand/gravel). I created a basic data pack that places a restored trail ruins in the same layout but on the surface (so like going back in time?). But I have neither the building skill nor knowledge to do the best job of the restoration itself
I'm planning to get a video together talking about how sites decay, or how ruins become ruins, and once 1.20 is fully released, I'm planning on doing a full excavation from start to finish, including things like recreating the site using various techniques and even making it something players and villagers could theoretically walk around!
I think the inability to copy the shards or shreds is a good thing because it will encourage people to go to do it more. If you get all of them you don’t need to do it anymore
excellent point, but I do think there should be a point in gameplay where everything starts being optional so that the player can be left into (what's almost) a survival-creative mode for the sake of being as creative as possible. This means a farm-grind balance and if something is not farmable, the grind should be worth it in the long term (like what they do for armor templates). For people that want to build massive structures with a lot of decorated pots, the time trade for digging out sites may not be worth that effort and this limits decorated pots as a building block you only use sometimes in survival.
Yea, I see both sides here - on the one hand, I agree that if you can copy the sherds, then people will be less likely to do archaeology once they have the sherds. But on the other hand, as I mentioned in the video, archaeology isn't intended as a 'loot' mechanic first and foremost - it's an exploration and story/lore mechanic. I'd rather see people recognising the difference between using archaeology as decorations for their base and using items _based_ on archaeology to decorate their base. There's enough archaeological looting in video games already, and it has a really negative effect on real archaeology and real people. I've been on digs where sites were looted overnight. The more we can discourage that, even through things like video games, the better.
If people want to build with a lot of decorative pots maybe they will just use creative mode because even if you had the ability to copy them it would be pretty inconvenient if it was really big. I think it was meant for them to be used for simple things.
What if you needed a lot of them to do it, like, 8 shards of one type surrounding a brick in the middle to get 9? that way you have to dig a lot to get the first initial 8
I'm very late to this one sorry. Wow I love that Minecraft is adding this feature. They must be gands of yours. ;-) Well no they would have added glass beads wouldn't they?
Neat
Sigo sin saber como se traduce "sherd" al español xd
No worries! 'Sherd' se traduce como 'tiesto' o 'casco' 🙂
@@ArchaeoPlays oh thanks, no pense que me fueses a responder :D
I love eating sherds mmm
Hope you see this but if you search up kevin schrader jr and see a lego profile pictue thats my channel and i made theorys about structures and one of them is the trail ruins i wish for a actual archeologist to see and say what they think since i think that would be cool plz i pray u see this
Btw there is only one video with comments am try to figure out how to make it not do but the video is The Joke
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