PRO Drummer Teaches You A MUST KNOW SKILL | The "Push Pull" Technique
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2022
- In today's UA-cam video, we'll cover a MUST-KNOW drumming skill...How to play consistent 16th notes with your lead hand using the "Push Pull" technique.
Playing constant, consistent 16th notes with your right hand (your left hand if you’re left-handed) can be challenging, but this is an essential skill for working drummers.
I've released a full lesson with all 3 techniques inside my online drumming school Stanton Moore Drum Academy.
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This is an excellent video. I am 67 years old and the push pull came naturally to me through time but not nearly as clean as you are playing here. I will be working on this everyday. Thank you for this demonstration. Btw, Neil Peart alway said that Tom Sawyer was the most difficult song for him to play because of the 16th notes on the hi hat. Thanks again Stanton!
Thank you for the kind words and thank you for turning in! 🙌🏼
Gadson’s push pull was something I would watch on vhs and dvd. Once you get it then it’s second nature. You’re dropping knowledge for the next generation of drummers
Thank you! 🙏🏼
I played in a punk rock band for years in the 90's and I still struggle with my 16th note Back Beat 😢 it just takes proper technique and a lot of endurance. A lot of R&B cats keep that right hand soft on the hats as well.
On a completely different note considering that we are both R&B fanatics I just discovered a track by The Platters that I grew up listening to and I think it's Purdie playing a very early shuffle... The Platters "with this ring!"
Funky Drummer is such a great groove!I'm a 50 year old drummer that gigged jazz/blues/rock in my 20s and 30s.... Then I learned to code, to make a much better living and have only played a couple years in church in the last 15 years. I'm gonna be setting up again soon, and I am totally gonna get into some of these lessons. There's no time like now to introduce some new and better habits! (I'm excited about developing a lot more Moeller and stealing some Keith Carlock) Thanks for the inspiration, Stanton!
this has been working for me: play along to this playlist and in this order. do not stop. keep the order as listed. if you get tired, go back and forth between 16th's & 8th's. but, again, don't stop. eventually you'll be able to play all with 16th's. (one hand) I don't really do a push-pull technique, it's more like I'm turning a knob or using a screwdriver if that makes sense. stumbled upon this "technique" but it works. at least for me. you can easily sneak in/add to playlist, "Funky Drummer" between tracks 5 & 6. The last two tracks have more of a swing feel to them. good luck. relax. have fun.
1. No Ordinary Romance - Al Jarreau
2. Give A Little More Lovin' - Al Jarreau
3. Golden Girl - Al Jarreau
4. 99 - Toto
5. I Keep Forgetting' - Michael McDonald
6. Georgy Porgy - Toto
7. Stop Loving You - Toto
8. Pleasure - Al Jarreau .
9. Road Of Broken Hearted Men - Bobby Blue Bland.
Drummers: Steve Ferrone, Jeff Porcaro, Clyde Stubblefield.
I really appreciate you providing the principle and encouraging our own implementation.
Thank you for saying that! 👊🏼
hey Stanton thanks so much! I really appreciate the immaculate feel and finesse you put into this simple beat. I hope to get it just as well eventually. (and the funky drummer beat too). Also great tone, tuning, and overall sound in this video.
Thank you Damien! 🙏🏼
great stuff. thanks.
Love this Stanton🥁Thank You.
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Stanton is such an amazing teacher and drummer with his own drum skills, one of the best groove drummers and very musical. Every time I love to hear his drumming. 👍
Thank you for the kind words! 🙏🏼
@@stantonmooremusic You're allways welcome !!!!
Well done..glad you put this video out there..thx
Thank you for turning in! 🙌🏼
Quite refreshing to see an actual musical example of how those fancy techniques can be applied. If you search for push/pull or moeller on UA-cam, 95% are demonstrations on a pad. That technique translates beautifully on the kit in that context, thanks for the lesson Stanton
Thank you for the kind words. 🙏🏼 I’m glad you’re digging it. 🙌🏼
Good point
A really valuable video for learning. I enjoy your to the point explanation and demonstration. I'm learning a lot as a professional drummer. Thank you! 💯
Thank you and I’m glad you’re digging it! 🙌🏼🥁🙏🏼
I clicked the video because I saw the Tip's shirt in the thumbnail, didn't even realize it was Stanton Moore wearing the shirt! Love the specification/distinction between push-push/pull-push, I think it really makes a difference when you start working the accents in.
Thank you for clicking and tuning in! 🙌🏼
Snare sounds superb! Great teacher.
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Great!...super informative...thanx Stanton
Thanks for tuning in! 🙌🏼
Thank you!
Excellent! Thank you.
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Stanton you’re so good and so humble . I appreciate that you worked this out in your 30’s. For me I was 50 during Covid when I discovered it and yes, how did I miss that for so long. I worked it out watching TV too 😂. You’re a great teacher too, appreciate your approach.
Thank you so much for your kind words Tom. 🙏🏼
Sweet video👍
I like to practice both push/pull and pull/push.
Both useful for sure
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My god, this lesson is so helpful!! Thank you very much!
Thank you for turning in! 🙏🏼
Excellent video, Stanton! I greatly appreciate the share. I play 16th single hand with more of a Moeller technique (wrist bobbing up and down) but I play swing/shuffle patterns with a open/close technique similar to what you demonstrate (I believe). Going to work on straightening that shuffle technique into a 16th pattern.
Thanks for tuning in! 🙌🏼
Thanks to it all. You were the first to talk about the reverse pull push. Its unlocked and unblocked my mind and thinking wath is right or wrong. At last you GROOWE tha Funk.👍
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A very thuro lesson Stanton nicely explained enough too make a subscriber out of me nice job thanks!!!🙏🤘
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Sinead O'Connor's "I Am Stretched On Your Grave". That song is based on the the "Funky Drummer" beat. Though probably not as good as Stanton played it here...
Man, super useful and important technique, wish I'd been working on this years earlier! We saw Garage a troi at Ardmore music hall last night, incredible show, thanks for the inspiration!
🙏🏼 Glad you’re digging it!
I pass Ardmore Music hall every night to walk my dogs! Was Stanton there?
Edit: 😱 just discovered that band stanton! Just briefly watched you guys perform for KEXP and your snare drum solo was on fire. Your Technique is better than ever! I liked how you use the Para diddle diddle as sort of a shuffle. I do that myself.
Thanks sir I love it
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Mycket bra! Very good, translated from Swedish. I always get? happy when I see and hear you play. This is not as easy as it might look, but really worth practicing, a lot.😊
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I love that Stanton discovered this after playing professionally for more than a decade. Many successful drummers revisit what they think they know to change it up (Dave Weckl, Neil Peart, and many others) so they prove there's always something more to learn. Try to play Use Me without this technique!
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When I watch Stanton playing drums it reminds me of that clip of Charlie Parker watching Buddy Rich with the BIGGEST grin on his face. He's having the best time of his life. Absolute pure joy. Keep the fire burnin' :)
Beautiful story. Thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you
Nice and clean man! Love those K's
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Those are Kerope's which are different than the K's. More of a classic 60's sound from my understanding.. but yes, they sound amazing. Not cheap!
Absolutely love this lesson! Such a key skill, thanks for sharing this!!
Thanks for tuning in!
The slow- mo wrist shot is the most badass thing ever, will you do a compilation vid including a slow-mo wrist shot of the guitarist and bassist jamming along?
Thank you. My team Nick Solnick, Dallas Quick and Stan Zlotkowski worked hard on that! 🙌🏼
Excellent.
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Very cool. I’m trying switch to open handed drumming instead of cross stick and my left hand suuuuuuucks. I can get it with my right, but this is gonna take some work.
Nice groove, you make it seem approachable, thanks
It's tough! My left is still super weak but I just play open handed because it feels most natural
The Late Great Rufus Thomas did a tune titled Do The Push And Pull. I have the Instructional Book,Give The Drummer Some.Thanks Sir for the great Drum Tip,very helpful,too.
love u bro
Man, this is soooo cool!! It looks and sounds so smooth and funky! I guess I'm more of an "up-down" guy...Although I'm pretty sure fingers are doing some work too. Great lesson, man...Love it!!
Thanks my man! I’m so glad you dig it. I know how much you love 16th note grooves! 🙌🏼🥁👊🏼
First time I saw this was in 80s with one of my drum teachers , Tommy Campbell.
He’s pretty incredible at this.
Nice! 🙌🏼
Went to Berklee with Tommy in late 70s. Great guy as well. He played a throw together set as I remember. Monster player.
I've been trying to get the 16 on the high hat and its been driving me crazy. This really helps. Thank you Stanton. Please everyone check this guy out - particularly garage a trois (one of the all time genius band names). Also Gadson who is just such a king!
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Thanks Stanton,
I was trying to play some 16th note beats recently and just failing. I'll get to work on the push pull. I have that JoJo video and just haven't worked on the push pull. Wake up call...
Please do a video of what’s in your drumstick bag I would really love to know
I pull push too! Great video man.
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thnx!!!!!
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This is really interesting to hear how you flip the technique backwards. I tend to play my 16th notes using more of a condensed Moeller technique within the wrist, rather than push/pull - although there are some elements of it. I've often heard it referred to by many drummers as 'shank/tip' technique. I struggled for years trying to speed up 'shank/tip' as when you play it slowly it works, but as you speed it up your wrist can tighten up until you reach a speed bottle neck. It wasn't until I asked Larnell Lewis to break his technique down, that he suggested flipping the technique on its head in a way that it opens up, rather than closes it down. So in my head I have to think 'tip/shank' instead of 'shank/tip' (ie backwards like you suggested). So I am thinking of placing the 'tip' first on the 'ah' of 4, before the 'shank' on the 1 of the next bar. This way I'm thinking of playing the 16th note on the way down, before the 8th note which opens up my technique, rather than trying to squeeze in a 16th note after the 8th note on the way up which closes it down. Just flipping the way my brain thought about it completely transformed the way I was able to approach it.
Very cool. Yes, sometimes flipping it can help! 🙌🏼
My first drum teacher taught me a similar tecnique that goes ' tip shank tip shank' etc etc on the hi hat, and even though it's a bit tricky at first, it certainly has it's merits once you 'have it down'. Give it a try !!!!
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I have been learning this technique by watching metal drummers such as David Diepold and James Payne
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I never even considered doing reverse push pull. but it all makes sense, I have a very very hard time with accents and grace notes on my snare hand doing the open close for doubles because i'm often 'pulling' a note on the hi hat and 'pushing' a note on the snare at the same time and it gets confusing. I feel like practicing it both ways is a must now. Phew........so much work but the results are always worth it :D
Very cool. I hope this helps! 🙌🏼
Ive been calling these Throw-up doubles (funny names stuck in my student's heads) since the 90s. You can see complete breakdown on my webpage at my Channel under drums, rudiments, then double-strokes.
Great lesson. Michael Cavanaugh is a newer drummer who does this technique very very well.
Thank you for tuning in! 🙌🏼
Great video, Stanton! Glad you mention Secret Weapons...that video is like the technique bible. Jojo is a damn technique WIZARD. I'm still trying to get good with the push-pull...it's tough and takes time! It's interesting, if you think about it, when doing a double stroke roll, it's almost the same as push-pull technique but it's easier because you alternate hands and get some time to rebound for the next diddle. Whereas with single handed 16ths like this, it's harder because you have to maintain a steady stream of evenly spaced notes. But, the technique itself is very similar, both being a "drop catch" type thing! Oh yeah, one more thing: If you watch the really fast rock/metal guys, they often use push-pull but interleaved with both hands...it can get you CRAZY fast singles around the kit.
Thanks! Great point about the similarity to doubles! I agree! 🙌🏼
Plan a trip to Memphis drum shop and maybe do a lesson. I’m sure Jim Pettit would be glad to accommodate you. Would love to see you again
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GREAT lesson! I have been trying to work on this for a while and I get it now...back to the pad. Thank you!
Glad to hear you’re digging it! 🙏🏼🥁🙌🏼
Holy shmoly, I can't even imagine playing in backward in pull/push.....I'm digging those demo grooves...gotta jump on the kit now 😂
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"that might not be great for your relationship" Lol! That made me laugh. Been there.
If you bring your elbow into your body more and turn your hand over a little, it'll help. You're not going to have a right shoulder anymore after an hour and a half gig. It'll also give the groove more weight and shape. It sounds consistent but a bit ballerina at the moment. Those classic James brown beats have loads of dynamics.
Very good point. My first drum teacher drilled into me that you should always be able to see the BACK of your hand when playing as it fully helps with the ' bouncing' off the last two fingers. As you guys point out, after a while it becomes natural
hey stanton, you don't talk at all about arm motion but that appears to be a major part of how you (and james gadson) make this work. could you comment on how you're thinking about that?
Good point…the arm is definitely part of the motion. With this technique in particular the arm motion is minimized a bit. It’s important to note that the arm is moving one time for each two notes. The arm plays a bigger part in the “shank tip” motion which will be covered in the next video! 🙌🏼
Hey Stanton!! I met you a long time ago when you played the bourbon up in Lincoln Nebraska… I live in Nashville now! Working on this myself lately… I also have a case of tennis elbow on my right arm… Do you have any suggestions for how to keep playing and not ruining your elbow? I’ve got shows and rehearsals and all kinds of stuff… I can’t take an extended period of time off… I just hope I’m not totally screwing my arm over by continually playing.
I was feeling some elbow tension couple years ago. I made sure to use my middle finger and thumb as my fulcrum so that I have a loose grip. Also, I was focused on the throw and making sure that I was loose upon impact as the stick hit the head or cymbals.
I just try to make sure I have a loose grip at all times and good posture and am not hitting too hard. All that said I also had someone do some bodywork on me to relieve some of the tension I was feeling in the elbow. I hope that helps. 🙌🏼
Great video and thanks for the lesson. I see during your video you are using a french grip on the hats, is that by choice or is it recommended for more control?
I tend to stay with a more American-German grip but to me it looks like you are getting more stronger 16th's.
I’m using French for this technique, but in my next video I demonstrate the “Shank Tip” method and use more of an American grip. It just depends on what is most comfortable for you. 🙌🏼
@@stantonmooremusic ok thanks look forward to that video
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My 16th note speed is suspect, so sometimes if it's above where I can pull it off, I pull a Charlie Watts. That either means something to you or not, but Charlie had a sort of unique pattern to his ride hand.
What snare is that and which heads etc? Sounds so good!
Glad you like it! That’s my Titanium Spirit of New Orleans signature snare. 4.5x14 Coated Remo Ambassador on the top with an Ambassador snare side on the bottom. I tune the bottom head about as high as it’ll go and the top head is a little higher than medium tension. It’s available at Memphis Drum Shop and Drum Center of Portsmouth. 🙌🏼🥁👊🏼
any videos on one hand fast roll?
Aces!
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I play the push pull as a whip and pull with the fingers!
Good stuff... I heard Todd Sucherman say it's like a stabbing motion (horizontal) or like you are shooting pool and try to get it to sound like a shaker.
That’s the “Shank Tip” technique. That’s coming up in the next video! 🙌🏼
@@stantonmooremusic oh ok, gotcha thanks
I love how Todd also compares it to
cutting a steak... tasty grooves! 😋
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Just subscribed! I've owned a bunch
of your CDs and DVD for a while now,
but recently joined the 21st century on
the web lol can't wait to study more! 👍
@@markchristopher420 Fantastic! I’m excited to have you become a member of the Academy. I think you’re going to really enjoy the content of the lessons and the community nature of the forum. Thank you for your interest and support! 🙌🏼
Wow
Jojos video is the stick control of the new millennium. Essential
A agree! A must watch for all drummers in my opinion. 🙌🏼
Moving between, one motion bouncing 4 sixteenth notes (muller), then two (push pulls) equaling 4 sixteenth notes is a decent cheat, that combines techniques.
I have to admit that I don't understand the difference between what you are doing to what I see others do. It looks to me as if you let go (= open) when you drop the stick, and close (= grab' pull) when you collect it again. At 3:46 you start with "close" and at 3:50 you start with "open", but the movement itself is no different. Can someone let me know what I am not getting? thanks!
Are you playing shoulder/tip/shoulder/tip?
Thanks. You may watch the Flag Tap Snap technique from Todd Sucherman also. Then it can be applied to ride and cup also. He has many Drumeo lessons about this.
Todd Sucherman--Flag Tap Snap. Only one way to do it. ua-cam.com/video/nbIcOaORrAw/v-deo.html
This is world class and now only used in samba. He also uses the loose in between timing concept you like, so it will fit to your New Orleans shuffle style also: Ramon Montagner - Push and Pull & Grips - Coqueiral ua-cam.com/video/AbjslbNtVl0/v-deo.html
i am 67 years old and there is always something else to learn, it never ends. even if i am playing guitar, steel guitar , bass, bongos, piano and of course drums. so it is a never ending journey. a good video, thanks.
is it essential to have the thumb on top? can you achieve this using a so called American grip?
Sure, You can achieve this with an American grip. Experiment and see what feels comfortable to you.
What metronome speed are you at there please?
At which part of the video?
Is the 16th note technique the same as double stroke?
That is a good question. With the “Push Pull” 16th note technique, there is a repetitive open/close motion with the lead hand. With faster doubles the right hand opens and closes then the left hand opens and closes, but the hands alternate. In both instances there is an open close involved and I suppose the techniques are similar in that way. Thanks for tuning in!
Is it my device or is the audio at an extra low volume?
Jeff pocroro was fantastic at this
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Here you can hear Jeff’s single handed uptempo 16th notes ua-cam.com/video/x_CqHnP1k9U/v-deo.html
@@itsarni thanks man…he makes it feel so good. The sixteenths give it a really nice feel.
Jo Jo with no fro?
I got that JoJo Mayer DVD!
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In the seventies, a lot of drummers used this technique. Me included.
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Clyde and Procaro are the kings of the 16ths IMO. I'll try this method and see what happens. Nothing has been very successful so far.
I hope it helps, stay tuned because I will be demonstrating some other techniques for 16th notes as well. 👊🏼
@@stantonmooremusic sweet! Looking forward to that!!!!
Il play how i want to play thanks
Ok great! I went to your channel though and I don’t see any videos posted yet.
Please let me know when you post something so I can see how it is that you do play.
I would love to see what you’re up to. 🙌🏼
@@stantonmooremusic i play for myself not anyone else sorry
@@simonlamphee9905 that’s a great reason to play! Enjoy. 🙌🏼🥁👊🏼
@@stantonmooremusic Still very positive!
They won’t be derailing you.
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Demo starts at 2:30
SO YESTERDAY MAN 😂 ITS 2022 NOW!!!! LOL 😂 SO YESTERDAY!!!!
And yet there are still so many people who still can’t do this. There are so many songs that need consistent 16th notes. This is a timeless technique. This is not out of date. Thanks for tuning in nonetheless. 🙌🏼
I just went to your channel to see how you might play consistent 16th notes, yet you don’t have any videos up. Please let me know what techniques you use to play consistent 16th notes. I’m always down to learn something new. 🙌🏼
What snare is that?
That’s my Spirit of New Orleans signature titanium snare. It is available at Memphis Drum Shop and Drum Center of Portsmouth! 🙌🏼🥁👊🏼
Awesome, love the sound and tune. Is that a magnetic damper in the top right corner of the rim?
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Yeah, great, and the left hand?
Haha, I just realized that I also do my push pull backwards.
Great lesson, thanks! (but come on responders..let's get Jeff Porcaro's name right :-/ )
Playing that pattern at p.
Congratulations on the New Orleans tourism ad. You got paid to do that? Grin
so i wanna blame my electronic kit cymbals... could just be me tho... anybody else in my situation feel like u can't get the rebound u need to pull it off?
Maybe don’t work on this technique while your spouse is watching tv with you.
“Yeah, you right!”
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Not good push-pull form. You need to keep your pinky on the stick and involve the thumb.
"...the push-pull technique."
*demonstrates drop-catch instead*
Watch Gadson more closely. What he does is totally a mini-moeller, all wrist, no fingers. That's push-pull.
This 'open-close' technique, or 'drop-catch' is a different technique. It's how one plays skip notes for jazz ride work. But that's not how Gadson played hats.
But these are two separate techniques.
Additionally, the closing action is supposed to be the accent. Thus the application of open-close for jazz ride skip beats: the downbeat needs to be louder than the skip, so closing the hand for the accent is exactly right. This is why open-close is less natural for hi-hat parts originally played with actual 'push-pull', because you have to 'reverse' the action (the way you're doing organically) to imitate the actual mini-moeller "push-pull" Gadson sound.
(For the record, you're a way better drummer than I, but this is a pet peeve of mine and a techniche I obsess over.)
If you’re left handed that would be your left hand.
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I’m left handed but play right handed 🙄
When I’m kissing my love, feel the love pumping in my veins…
Today’s Tom Sawyer…
More rock less talk
It's a lesson - not a Tick Tock clip or an Insta post or YT short. Patience young Jedi 😂 🤘🏻
Nevermind - I'm here a year later 😅😮
Go listen to a song instead of bitching