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I have a custom elite 2 ended up having to spend a hour in the advanced settings changing the thumbstick threshold map so it won't detect minor "drifts" movements
I think the problem typically is the amount of time it took for the controllers to develope these problems. Wear and tear is fine but if problems from that show up within a week then we have a serious problem.
@@SpeedKing.. i dont think making more money is the main cause, i think its the fact that they dont care enough to upgrade it because of the byproduct of them making money from it.
Have had an xbox one s (2 controllers and both second hand) for 18 months no drift issues yet. Daughter has had a switch for a similar time, I just replaced the other joy-con stick today
@@stitchingsteve " your mileage may vary " I have my xbox controller since 2015 that came with the xbox and still no stick drift issues , I guess it is important that you take care of your stuff
My JoyCons are so garbage lol. Maybe Nintendo is avoiding a lawsuit because they have calibration features in the Switch software? Don't know if MS has that.
Stick drift comes from the actual friction created when you're constantly moving the stick around. The more the parts rub back and forth, the more friction, and the more wear and tear. Simply holding the stick in one single position, either with a toothpick, rubber band, or just your thumb cant really cause stick drift as the stick is not moving and thus not generating any friction.
My heart skipped a beat when you said there's a class action lawsuit against Microsoft for this. We need the right to repair! Or make them make stuff that is actually designed to last and not just the cheapest and most profitable
Bro things are made to fail it's called planned obsolescence and name anything that lasts forever. Businesses need money to keep going why would they want something to last forever, then prices would be mad high. Sometimes you got to spend money to get fixed it's normal. Would you keep your hair growing forever, no exactly so deal with the controller you have or buy new ones when you need them
@@Aiden-td6ln I wouldn't mind a controller needing to be replaced due to wear and tear, stick drift in that manner would be an eventuality. However bought a new controller a few months ago, got it home and had stick drift right out of the box. That's not quality. A few years and then stick drift sure, I'd be less upset. But not from what should be a new product that's just shoddy manufacturing.
Seriously. People hear or see sht on reddit and then just repeat it forever until they die. Then when you try to reason with them they'll continue to insist they are right while being unable to explain why they are.
informative, short and to the point. I can accept this logical explanation for why modern joysticks "wear out" potentiometers are known to fail from dust and other crap.
@drgoyt no they use them because they are reliable, the issue with potentiometers is you can get all kinds of quality, from poop to japnese top tier brands. Fact is those pots are replaceable, it's just a bit complex for the end user.
@@mattburg94 Yeah, those however I believe are "jelly bean parts" like LED's they come in many flavours, the size is standard. so it's probably just a matter of finding the correct package and correct value for the potentiometers and buying the most expensive ones, which I assume they aren't using anymore, because cheaper pots are available. I believe I've seen some made by alps, and those should be very reliable.
@@TinkerManMick i just love how you get in with the shorts and dont waste time. could you start doing more tips and tricks on other consoles maybe???? like VR, Pc, Nintendo stuff, and more play station stuff
i like how people criticize which platform has more stick drift when the potentiometer manufacturer is the one to blame. that's why stick drift are fundamentally the same no matter what. this tech hasn't very much been improved for last decade. it's time that manufacturer invest a better solution for this
Right, and it happens because you get carbon build up over time when you have electrical contacts moving against each other. Pop them open, clean the dust, and you are good to go. A good example of this is the points of an old distributor (for car engines).
Obviously. When I went to buy a new potentiometer, I first went to the manufacturers website and found the model. Each component they sell have cycle spans or pretty much how many inputs can be performed till it is non-functional. This is the same for pretty much any moving part in anything. Nothing lasts forever and the ones sueing are very immature or ignorant at heart.
@@Blakezilla594 ehh, I wouldn’t say they r immature. I went thru SEVERAL ps4 controllers back to back to back, bc every time I traded one n for a new one the new one had drift issues already. Mind u, I only play an average of maybe 1 hour per day. And I’m on of those ppl that’s really particular about cleaning and taking care of my stuff. Always. So some of these parts r straight up faulty from the box, which is unacceptable when paying $60 for a basic controller. Granted, I didn’t sue anyone over it, but it was definitely very irritating.
There's 2 types of drift: One caused by problems on the sensors, and the other caused by wear on the spring that center the analog. Holding the stick in the same direction for a long period of time will create memory on that spring. I had a controller that had spring memory and it was defaulting to the left instead of center. My "fix" was to hold the stick in the opposite direction for a few days.
@@jefflund9134 Agree. The problem with the center spring is that to replace it you need to desolder the whole module off. At that point, you better off replacing the module completely instead of just the spring.
by sensors you mean potentiometers right and when a pot wares out it stops working it dose not causes drift drift is only caused by the springs not recentering the stick
@@rayzimmermin The potentiometers can go faulty and produce ghost input. It's either due to wear on the carbon ring or wear on the metal thingy. It's the most common cause of drift nowadays because they are all made by Alps and they cheaped out.
The wear, tear, and also grit from the stick itself, happens over a long long period of time. It would take years for a PS4/PS5 or Xbox controller to be wear’d out enough for that to happen, same applies to the switch pro controller. Meanwhile joycon drift happens because of the inner mechanism being pushed into the shell
@@WingMaster562 no they don’t. I’ve used a pro controller for as long time when I finally got one, and I’ll be honest…. The only time it got stick drift was from abuse, not because of using it time and time again. It still takes years for even a pro controller to get drift from grit
Nah, Xbox One Controllers Barely last a year. 360 ones though, different story. But there's nothing beating the Sony Dualshock 2 from back in the day. Mine is held together with 20 year old tape and functions better than a Xbox One Controller I bought last May
@@RyuusanFT86 Xbox 360 controllers are literally the same story. Those things are not exactly durable. I had an angry little friend shatter a new 360 controller before, and that was on carpet. Those things still also get grit anyway.
Stick drift can also be caused by the spring wearing out or faceplate fitting issues (not so common anymore with the anti friction stuff, 360 controllers had major issues with it though)
@@vasopel You should be very lucky, a liar, or just kept those controllers in a very passive state. I had a bunch and they all had some drift after like 5 years of extensive usage, but that's totally okay for that period of time, also drift is predictable and can be easily "fixed" with a bigger deadzones. On modern controllers drift is jumpy and sometimes even negative so it can't be fixed by software methods.
@@J0rdan912 one of those aforementioned controllers is still in daily use but no hardcore gaming any more , nowadays....thirty minutes of mandatory gaming every day to relax my nerves) the rubber on the analog sticks is long gone, I don't know what to tell you...maybe it depends on the batch of controllers from the factory :-D
Stick drift is usually caused by wear on the potentiometer sensors of the joystick. This is because parts of those sensors have to physically touch against eachother to measure movement, creating inevitable wear and tear as they lightly scrape together. This is why hall effect sensors don't experience drift in the same way, they're based on magnets that don't need to touch to measure movement, so there's no wear on the sensor itself over time, though it can still experience wear on the other mechanical parts of it, same as any joystick, as well as inevitable changes to the magnetic fields though those take many, many years for good quality magnets, unless kept in unfavorable conditions like very high/low temperatures.
Yea I find it hard that company’s can get away with something like that over time. Also the controllers are not cheap so if it does start to drift or not work you gotta spend another $70.
Nothing last forever. Every single moving part in everything that is made by us humans has a certain life cycle. That's just physics. Go find out the manufacturer and model number of the potentiometer and find a wholesale seller online. And yes some websites allow you to purchase just one, which is what I did and it cost me like 5 dollars instead of 60 for a new controller.
Most of the time it's not the potentiometer that causes the drift. It's the physical mechanism that has degraded and has more play in the center. Once it degrades enough, that center play will allow the stick to rest into a position that registers as a significant input in the software that interfaces with the controller. This type of degradation of the analog stick will cause the slight drifting we are used to when a controller has been used extensively, the kind that causes your crosshair to ever so slightly move in a certain direction. Typically modern games are tuned to ignore the first 5-12% of the analog stick input. Older games typically were tuned to ignore the first 10-25% of the analog stick input, as the older analog stick design that was used in the 6th and 7th generation controllers weren't as tight in the center. This ignoring of input is referred to as a deadzone. Once the analog stick has enough play in the center to allow it to rest in a position that exceeds the deadzone that was programmed into the software, the drifting occurs. For optimal calibration, you want the analog stick's center play to perfectly match the deadzone, where no drifting occurs, and any amount of positive pressure applied to the analog stick in any direction is registered as an input. Sometimes it is the potentiometer's fault. Sometimes it is not calibrated perfectly from the factory and registers a slight input in one direction even though the stick is at dead center, sometimes it is faulty and causes analog input become very erratic and renders the analog stick unusable, however, this is less common.
This is 100% correct and one of the best explanations of stick drift that I've ever read. If the input reads something ridiculous like >50% tilt in one direction when you're not touching the stick at all, then yes, it's one of the potentiometers. Either the wiper disc is broken or the black conductive coating has worn off the inside of the pot. The latter tends to happen due to dirt accumulation over time or liquid from spills. But a heavily used stick can "drift" away from 0 even when the potentiometers are still good. Some games have a deadzone of as little as 10%. To put that into perspective, I bought a brand new PS5 controller and the left stick, out of the box, drifts downwards by 5.8%. This is normal and I think it's unreasonable to expect every joystick in every new controller to be at exactly 0. So I absolutely do not meant to complain about it. But I bring it up just to point out that even though 5.8% is within the deadzone and won’t be regarded as input, it does only leave me with 4.2% "leeway", so to speak, before it does begin to actually affect gameplay. If the stick had been perfectly centered out of the box then I'd have 10% of leeway. If you play games frequently then you could easily cause enough wear and tear to increase the drift to >10% in a matter of weeks. Once it reaches that threshold it's beyond the deadzone and will begin to be regarded as input by certain games. You can fix the latter problem easily though by simply bending the plastic bit that moves the wiper disc in the opposite direction of the drift. Of course, this is easier to do with PS4 and PS5 controllers since you can do it while the board is plugged in to your computer and you can see the readings in test software while you make adjustments. With Xbox controllers you have to separate the two PCBs, make adjustments, plug them back together to check the readings, and then repeat until you get the sticks perfect.
I am pretty sure that something like 80% of the cases is the potentiometer fault. For the past four years, everytime my controllers started to drift I simply replaced the potentiometers through solding. Everytime it worked flawlessly ( and I did It a lot of times). You can actually see the friction damage in each broken potentiometer.
I see what you mean but it was a brand new controller only about a month old and i would put a tooth pick in the bottom of the left stick for auto run dayz.. drifted exactly in the direction i had the tooth pick.. you may be right and it does nothing but id rather not f with it at all haha... Love your vids dude specially the xbox hacks/tips/tricks good stuff🤘🇦🇺
Ahhh something I really will never miss from console days. Paying £60 for a controller with a 10 year old sensor that's made to break after a few weeks usage
Honestly... Never seen a video under a minute that made me sub so quickly. Thank you for quickly and accurately describing the issues with these arguments.
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Umm the tooth pick thing will cause stick drift but not from the potentiometer. Rather from the springs/ the return to zero system being worn-out. Although this form of drift can be reduced by adjusting the dead zone to be bigger.
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The rubber lining fell off my Xbox joysticks long before I had drift issues. But the problem that I believe the people with the complaints had, had to do with the joystick pressing against one of the pads for extended amounts of time which can cause drift
Insane how people in the comments defend multi million-dollar companies. "muh muh nothing lasts forever you shouldn't sue x company, it's not their fault it's normal your 60$ gamepad doesn't last even a month just get a better job muh muh" I'm just speechless, sorry for expecting high quality when I pay 60$. My cheap dirt logitech f310 lasted for almost two years, my dualshock 2 lasted for almost two years or so too and in both cases the issue was the cable - I just didn't bother to reinforce it, the controllers were fine. But in 2024 I'm supposed to pay double for something that won't even last 2 or 3 months and company shills keep telling me it's normal. I'm really getting tired of this trend when people spout ABSOLUTE nonsense big corps indoctrinated into them and act as if they said something smart.
From my experience I'd say what causes stickdrift is the pressure you put on the analog. Ex: ps4-5 users use L3 alot in most games as well as moving foward with the analog. Doing the same thing day in day out will slowly cause stick drift.
Putting a toothpick in like described gives greater access for dust and debris particles to get in. Dust and debris is the number 1 cause of stick drift. I've cleaned out so many players controllers who had stick drift. Found eye lashes, arm hair, dust, dirt, etc. Whenever your controller is not in use, put it inside a case, or lay a zip lock bag/microfiber cloth/etc (any light weight material) over the top of it to prevent dust and debris from falling in. The controller analog stick has the rounded bottom by design (it's not there to look cool or mesh in with the controller, it's there to act as a dust shield). When cleaning your analog sticks without taking controller apart you need to have the controller upside down when wiping off dust. Use an alcohol soaked q tip and clean it.
I had a 360 pad that lasted years and years with no issues ever. I've maybe had 4 xbox one pads through faults. Last was stick drift on a 18month old pad... likely spent more on pads then the console..
All joystick that use potentiometers will drift at some point, the mechanism just wheres out over time. This is why the joystick mechanism should be easily replaceable by the end user.
People are complaining about stick drift happening so soon but I've had my controller(s) for over 2 years and they still work absolutely fine. One is a gears of War controller, and the other is an older controller (about 7 years old) that has a broken bumper, but the joystick is fine. If you actually take care of it, and change the way you use it, it goes a long way
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@@999-u2x I have owned a Nintendo Switch for like 2 years and there is no stick drift. It's just your very unlucky to get stick drift. Xbox controllers are even more cheap.
leaving an analog stick pushed or pulled to the same spot for a large amount of time can wear other parts and cause stick drift tho. Although the toothpick can't cause stick drift, using this method this to AFK something for many hours can. But only if you do it regularly. Don't worry much about it tho, since the drift is more likely to show due to the company's fault than your own doings lol
ALOT of stick drift is just dead skin/grime/hair in the actual axis of the knob and if opened and cleaned can usually solve the issue. Over time wear and tear will wear the edges down and drift will appear, but the people saying 'had my controller 2 weeks and already have drift' its probably not the controller being broken rather then you've already managed to get something inside the axis
Yea but most people don't know that some isopropyl alcohol will literally take away any stick drift if you clean the gyros properly, its sad that you have to take apart the controller and stuff but it beats dropping $50-70 on a new controller
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Stick drift is caused by the potentiometer not reading 0 when the stick is centered. The stick is centered by a spring and by placing a toothpick in the thumbstick for a prolonged period you may wear out the spring so that its definition of center no longer aligns with the potentiometer's definition of center. I.e. stick drift!
This might be the best video i have seen in my life. Im not kidding. I found this video completely randomly, i learned 3 new things AND it didnt event take a minute??? This is amazing, i dont know why im so amazed by this, thank you.
It's also the plastic housing that keeps it centered. Just pressing in slightly on the sticks, causes them to re-center temporarily, and also reduces inconsistent responses from normal movement. I.E when you aim, and notice that you have to over, or under correct to keep on target.
For those that dont know. Stick drift is caused be repeatative motion. In other words, just holding the joystick still is literally the least risky way. Its the wagling around that we do as an active player that causes it to happen. We, the player, are thrashing around to potentiometers by flicking the joystick around. This isn't a bad thing though. They are designed to be used. So please do not use this as an excuse to not give the games your best.
The springs can loosen up enough from abuse when the stick returns slightly off center of the dead zones, BUT it'd have to be held in that position for many hundreds if not thousands of hours. But the springs don't get stressed in these mechanisms unless really abused, as they're actually stopped by the thumb stick touching the controller shell, not the springs 'bottoming out'... Springs don't tend to 'wear out' unless overstressed by pushing them past their normal operating range
In my case, the stick drift is caused when you pressed the sticks forcefully and constantly for a lomg time. Just map sprint LS to LB and your stick will survive the drift for years probably. Now even changing sprint from LS will cause slight drift after 1 year or 2, but most games lets you change deadzone to a higher number that eliminates drift if its not severe
What I'm confused about is the lawsuit. Apparently people are having issues within a year, but I used the same controller for over three years with absolutely heavy stick wear and never had ANY issues. The stick is literally smooth from being worn out but doesn't drift even one bit.
@@Cunny_Lord That's an entirely different situation lol, I'm just stating that considering how well mine worked in the past it's hard for me to see others having issues.
I’ve been using the 360 and the One S for Years and never got stick drift. This also goes with the PS1,PS3,PS4. I’ve only experienced stick drift on the switch.
I don't think they were talking about you hitting anything with the toothpick but rather that applying constant pressure to the springs that re-center the stick could weaken them
Crazy how Microsoft is getting sued for stick drift and Nintendo isn’t when the XB1 controller I’ve been using for half a decade is still perfectly usable and all of the Joycons I’ve bought have lasted a year of consistent use max. Not saying Microsoft shouldn’t be sued for this but it should at least be consistent.
0:38 so should i remove it? cuz i hate it when i play a game and stop the stick it moves a bit and stops, same with the Screen but thats for other various games.
@@TheAbbeyoftheEveryman now, there is no need to be that rude. It is logical for someone who doesn't know about controllers. You can remove that gray piece and not brake it, it is better to ask than to make mistakes
Protip: As someone who has worked with potentiometers in controllers of various kinds quite a lot, you can often fix jitter or "drift" by cleaning them with WD40 and letting them dry.
Sure, if you want to degrade all the plastics around the potentiometer and cause worse issues for yourself. Use Isopropyl alcohol. It's not anywhere near as harsh as WD-40, and it evaporates away practically instantly. If you want something that lubricates the inside of the stick, wait for the alcohol to dry and apply some 205g0 like mechanical keyboard modders use, that's plastic-safe.
I've noticed a LOT of people really have no idea what stick drift actually is, and especially what causes it. They think it can be fixed by "blowing air" into a worn out potentiometer.
I remember a video or something saying how there a better technology for replacing this potentiometers causing strick drift that'll eliminate the problem completely but companies dont want it to sell more controllers from breakdown.
Whoops, i thought this had to do with car drifting for some reason, Cool video though!! Theres something really satisfying about watching people who know alot about stuff work on their things, it's just relaxing :) i will sub 😊
I don't think anyone's arguing that it has anything to do with touching electronics inside the controller. Rather it being the constant pressure you're putting on it.
you can get stick drift too by doing what you doing too . if the centering mechanism is stained mechanically overtime or damaged , the stick won't return to the center (physically) anymore and you will still drift.
the issue with these potentiometers is that these are not encapsulated and collect alot of dust and moisture that will eventually lead to jumpy contact or corrosion, which leads to altered voltage output, which then causes the drift. the carbon traces are also not overly wear resistant and you can wear through the layer aswell, which is another problem. dust and corrosion can be cleaned out most of the time, but a used up carbon film is a death sentence. if you then combine that with cheap quality, you got your desaster.
I have 4 different Xbox controllers, main games are Overwatch and Minecraft, and i don't rage easily. One controller has heavy drift on the right stick, another has deoft on the left stick, the third the Left Bumper gets stuck down (so ill be in constant zoom in characters like Widow or Ana, or using abilities as soon as I have them) and lastly the Rt button (one below right bumper) just flat out doesnt work. Each controller has lasted about 5 months before starting to show signs of breaking. Have a great day
True the stick doesn't touch the in parts of the stick, but having it wedged in there will allow dirt and other things to get it and potentially get into the potentiometers.
I think this is a belief that use to be true and most people just don’t realize that newer controllers don’t have this issue. I can confirm if you do this to a N64 controller you will get stick drift.
How can you sue people for stick drift? It’s like suing a candle stick company because candles burn and disappear over time and you have to replace them with new ones to put in your stick~ If the argument is something different, like actively faulty hardware… then it’s not really suing for stick drift anymore, is it?
It is the same reason the US is suing apple, for refusing to improve their tech despite there being reasonable solution. Much like apple, microsoft and sony intentionally make their controllers wear & tear easy so that we are forced to buy new ones.
@perinamer1 I've only had 1 xbox controller have issues in the past 20y and it was due to a short circuit caused by excess solder I've never had a Xbox controller drift I've dropped my current controller that came with my Series X over a dozen times even directly on the sticks a few times No stick drift I've had a 3rd party xbox 360 controller for over 15 years No drift I also have a launch model Switch Lite and have used it to play everything from FPS to racing games and platformers No drift The only controller I've ever had drift is a PS2 controller I dropped and the only reason that got drift is because it actually broke the stick, had that controller for over 20y never had a single issue with it before that point
@@P_D-px6iv i remember how i bought a new dualshock4 specifically to keep it safe and sound. 1 week after i bought it my friend dropped it on the floor and it had stick drift issues since. The rest of my controllers that had stick drift i have no idea for the cause, but i have dropped them multiple times so idk why i'm surprised...
You know, you could always just put your controller facing down on your table so that the stick automatically pushes against the table and moves, rather than going through the extra effort of putting a toothpick or rubber band or something like that.
Stick drift can also but temporarily fixed by using alcohol on the white or black pads and the connectors in the blocks. If you really are bothered and can't seem too improve you can switch the pads from L3 to R3 or whatever the Xbox equivalent is. It's always better too replace since you get like three pairs for four dollars on Amazon.
i have been struggling with a stick drift on one of my controller and after doing everything shown in every video.. what worked for me was to loosen up the green thingy and create a little gap in between... this completely fixed the drift for now.. it has been a week..
the friciton is the biggest killer of controller sticks, i fixed mine by putting some dry lube on brand new stick modules, works perfectly although they have to be off the board to ensure no damage caused
My first xbox one controller that came with my xbox (the 2013 controller model) lasted me 3 years before getting drift and loose sticks The second one (xbox one x controller) got drift after 2 months of use My third controller is a new xbox series x controller and so far after two years of use it has minor drift which can be solved with deadzone settings
To avoid stick drift simply make the shell not touch the rubber (this may cause there to be problems with the stick goin under the shell but then just make the shell's sides have walls)
i think people are worried about stick drift because of how you're leaving a joystick pointing in one direction without moving for hours on end. Most things mechanical or not would sustain some damage after that sort of wear and tear
To be fair EVERYTHING causes stick drift in xbox controllers lol. It was actually one of the main motivating factors that made me get back into PC gaming on M&K because I was tired of spending 150$ a year on controllers lmao.
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I have a custom elite 2 ended up having to spend a hour in the advanced settings changing the thumbstick threshold map so it won't detect minor "drifts" movements
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did you link this video in this videos description? I'm so lost
I think the problem typically is the amount of time it took for the controllers to develope these problems. Wear and tear is fine but if problems from that show up within a week then we have a serious problem.
I had to return mine after a week to GameStop it was insane..
What problem? You have to buy more controllers so more profit lol
I've had 2 from 2014 and 2015, no drift, just gloveless joysticks and worn necks.
@@SpeedKing.. i dont think making more money is the main cause, i think its the fact that they dont care enough to upgrade it because of the byproduct of them making money from it.
@@IronIsKing yes that's what I meant
I like how Microsoft is getting sued for stick drift, *cough cough* Nintendo *cough cough*
Have had an xbox one s (2 controllers and both second hand) for 18 months no drift issues yet. Daughter has had a switch for a similar time, I just replaced the other joy-con stick today
@@stitchingsteve " your mileage may vary "
I have my xbox controller since 2015 that came with the xbox and still no stick drift issues , I guess it is important that you take care of your stuff
@TomTomTwig oh wow that's awesome i broke mine long time ago after throwing into the wall haha
That drift is because the sticks are so small
My JoyCons are so garbage lol. Maybe Nintendo is avoiding a lawsuit because they have calibration features in the Switch software? Don't know if MS has that.
Stick drift comes from the actual friction created when you're constantly moving the stick around. The more the parts rub back and forth, the more friction, and the more wear and tear. Simply holding the stick in one single position, either with a toothpick, rubber band, or just your thumb cant really cause stick drift as the stick is not moving and thus not generating any friction.
Unless you leave it there for ever, the spring action for centering might go bad...
@@guily6669 Yeah I was actually gonna mention that. I don't think that will cause drift though, your sticks will just feel more loose.
It can actually also happen if some gunk gets in the rings as well
Mf mine drifted in the first 4/5 months brand new, it was the one that came with my series S
@@manja5198 yeah same here
My heart skipped a beat when you said there's a class action lawsuit against Microsoft for this. We need the right to repair! Or make them make stuff that is actually designed to last and not just the cheapest and most profitable
bro if you buy the internal part of the stick and know how to solder its not an extremely complicated swap at all. You can repair it
Bro things are made to fail it's called planned obsolescence and name anything that lasts forever. Businesses need money to keep going why would they want something to last forever, then prices would be mad high. Sometimes you got to spend money to get fixed it's normal. Would you keep your hair growing forever, no exactly so deal with the controller you have or buy new ones when you need them
@@Aiden-td6ln ill tell you what lasts forever, old toyotas do
@@Aiden-td6ln I wouldn't mind a controller needing to be replaced due to wear and tear, stick drift in that manner would be an eventuality. However bought a new controller a few months ago, got it home and had stick drift right out of the box. That's not quality. A few years and then stick drift sure, I'd be less upset. But not from what should be a new product that's just shoddy manufacturing.
Repairing is not a right, it's a given you can do what you want with your property. Enforce property rights and tell MS to f off.
Debunking superstition around gaming/hardware/etc.
I love it.
This should be a series.
Seriously. People hear or see sht on reddit and then just repeat it forever until they die. Then when you try to reason with them they'll continue to insist they are right while being unable to explain why they are.
Reminds of the good ol' console peasant quotes videos from Bullet Barry, he basically made the same concept but applied to pc gaming
informative, short and to the point. I can accept this logical explanation for why modern joysticks "wear out" potentiometers are known to fail from dust and other crap.
@drgoyt no they use them because they are reliable, the issue with potentiometers is you can get all kinds of quality, from poop to japnese top tier brands. Fact is those pots are replaceable, it's just a bit complex for the end user.
@@mattburg94 Yeah, those however I believe are "jelly bean parts" like LED's they come in many flavours, the size is standard. so it's probably just a matter of finding the correct package and correct value for the potentiometers and buying the most expensive ones, which I assume they aren't using anymore, because cheaper pots are available. I believe I've seen some made by alps, and those should be very reliable.
Yes, I just posted a comment about the problem usually just being some hair or dust that got stuck under the stick.
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i like how people criticize which platform has more stick drift when the potentiometer manufacturer is the one to blame. that's why stick drift are fundamentally the same no matter what. this tech hasn't very much been improved for last decade. it's time that manufacturer invest a better solution for this
Right, and it happens because you get carbon build up over time when you have electrical contacts moving against each other. Pop them open, clean the dust, and you are good to go.
A good example of this is the points of an old distributor (for car engines).
Obviously. When I went to buy a new potentiometer, I first went to the manufacturers website and found the model. Each component they sell have cycle spans or pretty much how many inputs can be performed till it is non-functional. This is the same for pretty much any moving part in anything. Nothing lasts forever and the ones sueing are very immature or ignorant at heart.
@@Blakezilla594 ehh, I wouldn’t say they r immature. I went thru SEVERAL ps4 controllers back to back to back, bc every time I traded one n for a new one the new one had drift issues already. Mind u, I only play an average of maybe 1 hour per day. And I’m on of those ppl that’s really particular about cleaning and taking care of my stuff. Always. So some of these parts r straight up faulty from the box, which is unacceptable when paying $60 for a basic controller. Granted, I didn’t sue anyone over it, but it was definitely very irritating.
@@Blakezilla594 what’s the deal with joycons then? I’ve never had a drift problem on Nintendo controllers before those
@@Htiy Might just be the small size of the Joy-Cons, making them more slippery. That or the dead zones are crappy.
There's 2 types of drift: One caused by problems on the sensors, and the other caused by wear on the spring that center the analog.
Holding the stick in the same direction for a long period of time will create memory on that spring.
I had a controller that had spring memory and it was defaulting to the left instead of center. My "fix" was to hold the stick in the opposite direction for a few days.
those springs are dirt cheap they really need to make these more repairable
@@jefflund9134 Agree. The problem with the center spring is that to replace it you need to desolder the whole module off. At that point, you better off replacing the module completely instead of just the spring.
by sensors you mean potentiometers right and when a pot wares out it stops working it dose not causes drift
drift is only caused by the springs not recentering the stick
@@rayzimmermin The potentiometers can go faulty and produce ghost input. It's either due to wear on the carbon ring or wear on the metal thingy. It's the most common cause of drift nowadays because they are all made by Alps and they cheaped out.
@@piau9000 that's why replacing the springs always fixes drift and cleaning the contacts never dose
Hell yeah. Set em straight Mick.
Thanks man, the other video has over 7 million views so I thought it was an issue worth addressing
@@TinkerManMick hi
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Your voice made me feel 10x happier and light for some reason.
Thank you.
I think they may be concerned about small splinters of wood getting in there. Who knows? People always wanna find something to complain about.
Yeah
No. They are probably just dumb and think that if you leave a thumbstick in that position for a long time it won't "spring" back into place.
@MVPugsley eh?
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it's just a fricken controller... not the console. people need to chill out.
The wear, tear, and also grit from the stick itself, happens over a long long period of time. It would take years for a PS4/PS5 or Xbox controller to be wear’d out enough for that to happen, same applies to the switch pro controller.
Meanwhile joycon drift happens because of the inner mechanism being pushed into the shell
With the exceptiom of PS4's early stock controllers. Those things develop stick drift within the week.
@@WingMaster562 no they don’t. I’ve used a pro controller for as long time when I finally got one, and I’ll be honest…. The only time it got stick drift was from abuse, not because of using it time and time again. It still takes years for even a pro controller to get drift from grit
@@Thewaterspirit57 pro controller?
Nah, Xbox One Controllers Barely last a year. 360 ones though, different story. But there's nothing beating the Sony Dualshock 2 from back in the day. Mine is held together with 20 year old tape and functions better than a Xbox One Controller I bought last May
@@RyuusanFT86 Xbox 360 controllers are literally the same story. Those things are not exactly durable. I had an angry little friend shatter a new 360 controller before, and that was on carpet. Those things still also get grit anyway.
I love how every two seconds he pulls out a more deconstructed controller 😂
Stick drift can also be caused by the spring wearing out or faceplate fitting issues (not so common anymore with the anti friction stuff, 360 controllers had major issues with it though)
Well I have 3 og Xbox 360 controllers that DON'T have any drift.
Cough cough Nintendo switch cough cough.
Sounds like a skill issue
@@vasopel You should be very lucky, a liar, or just kept those controllers in a very passive state. I had a bunch and they all had some drift after like 5 years of extensive usage, but that's totally okay for that period of time, also drift is predictable and can be easily "fixed" with a bigger deadzones. On modern controllers drift is jumpy and sometimes even negative so it can't be fixed by software methods.
@@J0rdan912 one of those aforementioned controllers is still in daily use but no hardcore gaming any more , nowadays....thirty minutes of mandatory gaming every day to relax my nerves) the rubber on the analog sticks is long gone, I don't know what to tell you...maybe it depends on the batch of controllers from the factory :-D
Stick drift is usually caused by wear on the potentiometer sensors of the joystick. This is because parts of those sensors have to physically touch against eachother to measure movement, creating inevitable wear and tear as they lightly scrape together. This is why hall effect sensors don't experience drift in the same way, they're based on magnets that don't need to touch to measure movement, so there's no wear on the sensor itself over time, though it can still experience wear on the other mechanical parts of it, same as any joystick, as well as inevitable changes to the magnetic fields though those take many, many years for good quality magnets, unless kept in unfavorable conditions like very high/low temperatures.
Yea I find it hard that company’s can get away with something like that over time. Also the controllers are not cheap so if it does start to drift or not work you gotta spend another $70.
Nothing last forever. Every single moving part in everything that is made by us humans has a certain life cycle. That's just physics. Go find out the manufacturer and model number of the potentiometer and find a wholesale seller online. And yes some websites allow you to purchase just one, which is what I did and it cost me like 5 dollars instead of 60 for a new controller.
@@Blakezilla594 lmao no most parts could last a long time but then they make less money
Most of the time it's not the potentiometer that causes the drift. It's the physical mechanism that has degraded and has more play in the center. Once it degrades enough, that center play will allow the stick to rest into a position that registers as a significant input in the software that interfaces with the controller. This type of degradation of the analog stick will cause the slight drifting we are used to when a controller has been used extensively, the kind that causes your crosshair to ever so slightly move in a certain direction. Typically modern games are tuned to ignore the first 5-12% of the analog stick input. Older games typically were tuned to ignore the first 10-25% of the analog stick input, as the older analog stick design that was used in the 6th and 7th generation controllers weren't as tight in the center. This ignoring of input is referred to as a deadzone. Once the analog stick has enough play in the center to allow it to rest in a position that exceeds the deadzone that was programmed into the software, the drifting occurs. For optimal calibration, you want the analog stick's center play to perfectly match the deadzone, where no drifting occurs, and any amount of positive pressure applied to the analog stick in any direction is registered as an input.
Sometimes it is the potentiometer's fault. Sometimes it is not calibrated perfectly from the factory and registers a slight input in one direction even though the stick is at dead center, sometimes it is faulty and causes analog input become very erratic and renders the analog stick unusable, however, this is less common.
This is 100% correct and one of the best explanations of stick drift that I've ever read.
If the input reads something ridiculous like >50% tilt in one direction when you're not touching the stick at all, then yes, it's one of the potentiometers. Either the wiper disc is broken or the black conductive coating has worn off the inside of the pot. The latter tends to happen due to dirt accumulation over time or liquid from spills.
But a heavily used stick can "drift" away from 0 even when the potentiometers are still good. Some games have a deadzone of as little as 10%. To put that into perspective, I bought a brand new PS5 controller and the left stick, out of the box, drifts downwards by 5.8%. This is normal and I think it's unreasonable to expect every joystick in every new controller to be at exactly 0. So I absolutely do not meant to complain about it. But I bring it up just to point out that even though 5.8% is within the deadzone and won’t be regarded as input, it does only leave me with 4.2% "leeway", so to speak, before it does begin to actually affect gameplay. If the stick had been perfectly centered out of the box then I'd have 10% of leeway. If you play games frequently then you could easily cause enough wear and tear to increase the drift to >10% in a matter of weeks. Once it reaches that threshold it's beyond the deadzone and will begin to be regarded as input by certain games.
You can fix the latter problem easily though by simply bending the plastic bit that moves the wiper disc in the opposite direction of the drift. Of course, this is easier to do with PS4 and PS5 controllers since you can do it while the board is plugged in to your computer and you can see the readings in test software while you make adjustments. With Xbox controllers you have to separate the two PCBs, make adjustments, plug them back together to check the readings, and then repeat until you get the sticks perfect.
Thanks so much for taking the time to explain this. Perfect 💯
I am pretty sure that something like 80% of the cases is the potentiometer fault. For the past four years, everytime my controllers started to drift I simply replaced the potentiometers through solding. Everytime it worked flawlessly ( and I did It a lot of times). You can actually see the friction damage in each broken potentiometer.
Whatever the cause they need to re-engineer these controllers. But it would hurt sales.
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Can you make a video describing in detail? I have about 40 controllers now in my collection all with stick drift.
I see what you mean but it was a brand new controller only about a month old and i would put a tooth pick in the bottom of the left stick for auto run dayz.. drifted exactly in the direction i had the tooth pick.. you may be right and it does nothing but id rather not f with it at all haha... Love your vids dude specially the xbox hacks/tips/tricks good stuff🤘🇦🇺
Fair enough. Mabye it was bc you did it for days though
@@rythmic8911 lol he means the game DayZ I cant tell if ur joking or not tho
@@aether8412 I was joking sorry I should of said DAYS in caps
Yeh this guy is a flog. Hes just lucky hes in the yt algorythym
@@MentalExistence do you mean me mate?
Ahhh something I really will never miss from console days. Paying £60 for a controller with a 10 year old sensor that's made to break after a few weeks usage
I play Forza, so even though I'm now on PC, I still have to pay for those ridiculously overpriced, high failure rate controllers. 😭
Spot on mate, not many people know the real reason for stick drift
Honestly... Never seen a video under a minute that made me sub so quickly. Thank you for quickly and accurately describing the issues with these arguments.
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Linus Tech Tips explains stick drift really well in this video ua-cam.com/video/2NfvzoDpcSM/v-deo.html
@@LILBROATENSION dont push up
You are my computer class teacher
Umm the tooth pick thing will cause stick drift but not from the potentiometer. Rather from the springs/ the return to zero system being worn-out. Although this form of drift can be reduced by adjusting the dead zone to be bigger.
Hey bruv I have that keyboard
Moral the story If you don't know what stick drift is don't comment about it comment about it cause that right there this guy just explained it what causes it Cheers to you
The rubber lining fell off my Xbox joysticks long before I had drift issues. But the problem that I believe the people with the complaints had, had to do with the joystick pressing against one of the pads for extended amounts of time which can cause drift
Insane how people in the comments defend multi million-dollar companies. "muh muh nothing lasts forever you shouldn't sue x company, it's not their fault it's normal your 60$ gamepad doesn't last even a month just get a better job muh muh" I'm just speechless, sorry for expecting high quality when I pay 60$. My cheap dirt logitech f310 lasted for almost two years, my dualshock 2 lasted for almost two years or so too and in both cases the issue was the cable - I just didn't bother to reinforce it, the controllers were fine.
But in 2024 I'm supposed to pay double for something that won't even last 2 or 3 months and company shills keep telling me it's normal. I'm really getting tired of this trend when people spout ABSOLUTE nonsense big corps indoctrinated into them and act as if they said something smart.
0:47 omg SO THAT’S WHY MY LAST CONTROLLER SUCKED
From my experience I'd say what causes stickdrift is the pressure you put on the analog. Ex: ps4-5 users use L3 alot in most games as well as moving foward with the analog. Doing the same thing day in day out will slowly cause stick drift.
Putting a toothpick in like described gives greater access for dust and debris particles to get in. Dust and debris is the number 1 cause of stick drift.
I've cleaned out so many players controllers who had stick drift. Found eye lashes, arm hair, dust, dirt, etc.
Whenever your controller is not in use, put it inside a case, or lay a zip lock bag/microfiber cloth/etc (any light weight material) over the top of it to prevent dust and debris from falling in.
The controller analog stick has the rounded bottom by design (it's not there to look cool or mesh in with the controller, it's there to act as a dust shield).
When cleaning your analog sticks without taking controller apart you need to have the controller upside down when wiping off dust. Use an alcohol soaked q tip and clean it.
I had a 360 pad that lasted years and years with no issues ever. I've maybe had 4 xbox one pads through faults. Last was stick drift on a 18month old pad... likely spent more on pads then the console..
My friend had once built in stick drift straight from the box.
This is why right to repair is important. People don't even know how basic stuff functions anymore.
The 2nd and 3rd controllers be lookin like the controllers my friend gives me when I'm at his house 💀💀💀
All joystick that use potentiometers will drift at some point, the mechanism just wheres out over time. This is why the joystick mechanism should be easily replaceable by the end user.
People are complaining about stick drift happening so soon but I've had my controller(s) for over 2 years and they still work absolutely fine. One is a gears of War controller, and the other is an older controller (about 7 years old) that has a broken bumper, but the joystick is fine. If you actually take care of it, and change the way you use it, it goes a long way
It’s designed to break so you have to buy a new one
Can you believe that UA-cam literally went into my brain and pulled out the thoughts that I had about my own controller and started to show your video to my UA-cam page thank the algorithm and the Internet gods for listening just for you
Never had a problem with stick drift with all the controllers I’ve had so I’m just here gathering more info about it
Hm so you don't own a Nintendo switch lol
@@999-u2x I have owned a Nintendo Switch for like 2 years and there is no stick drift. It's just your very unlucky to get stick drift. Xbox controllers are even more cheap.
Great video, I love how you had three stages of controller on hand for a proper visual demonstration
leaving an analog stick pushed or pulled to the same spot for a large amount of time can wear other parts and cause stick drift tho. Although the toothpick can't cause stick drift, using this method this to AFK something for many hours can. But only if you do it regularly.
Don't worry much about it tho, since the drift is more likely to show due to the company's fault than your own doings lol
ALOT of stick drift is just dead skin/grime/hair in the actual axis of the knob and if opened and cleaned can usually solve the issue. Over time wear and tear will wear the edges down and drift will appear, but the people saying 'had my controller 2 weeks and already have drift' its probably not the controller being broken rather then you've already managed to get something inside the axis
The reason people may have said that causes stick drift is because it allows for more dust to get under the thumb stick, and dust leads to stick drift
Yea but most people don't know that some isopropyl alcohol will literally take away any stick drift if you clean the gyros properly, its sad that you have to take apart the controller and stuff but it beats dropping $50-70 on a new controller
@@yessuhyessuh2100 idk I don't normally clean my controllers and it was too expensive for me to wanna take it apart and mine don't have stick drift
Useful information, clearly explained with a demonstration in under a minute. Thank you 🙏
I was about to say it feels like I time traveled to an earlier UA-cam but then realized the videos 2 years old.
Thank u so much! Short and sweet makes for a good video hey! Glad you liked it
Stick drift is caused by the potentiometer not reading 0 when the stick is centered. The stick is centered by a spring and by placing a toothpick in the thumbstick for a prolonged period you may wear out the spring so that its definition of center no longer aligns with the potentiometer's definition of center. I.e. stick drift!
oh ty now i know why my ps4 controller is having its own mind
@@snittydit1318 9/10 unless you're jamming it in place you can clean the potentiometers with isopropyl alcohol and your controller is good as new
@@yessuhyessuh2100 can I use alcohol to clean myself up
This might be the best video i have seen in my life. Im not kidding. I found this video completely randomly, i learned 3 new things AND it didnt event take a minute??? This is amazing, i dont know why im so amazed by this, thank you.
It's also the plastic housing that keeps it centered. Just pressing in slightly on the sticks, causes them to re-center temporarily, and also reduces inconsistent responses from normal movement. I.E when you aim, and notice that you have to over, or under correct to keep on target.
Exactly he’s trying to give reason for misinformation
For those that dont know. Stick drift is caused be repeatative motion. In other words, just holding the joystick still is literally the least risky way. Its the wagling around that we do as an active player that causes it to happen. We, the player, are thrashing around to potentiometers by flicking the joystick around. This isn't a bad thing though. They are designed to be used. So please do not use this as an excuse to not give the games your best.
The springs can loosen up enough from abuse when the stick returns slightly off center of the dead zones, BUT it'd have to be held in that position for many hundreds if not thousands of hours. But the springs don't get stressed in these mechanisms unless really abused, as they're actually stopped by the thumb stick touching the controller shell, not the springs 'bottoming out'... Springs don't tend to 'wear out' unless overstressed by pushing them past their normal operating range
The toothpick trick is classic and works on basically any control device. Even keyboard. I’ve even heard of it being used on SNES and genesis.
In my case, the stick drift is caused when you pressed the sticks forcefully and constantly for a lomg time. Just map sprint LS to LB and your stick will survive the drift for years probably. Now even changing sprint from LS will cause slight drift after 1 year or 2, but most games lets you change deadzone to a higher number that eliminates drift if its not severe
What I'm confused about is the lawsuit. Apparently people are having issues within a year, but I used the same controller for over three years with absolutely heavy stick wear and never had ANY issues. The stick is literally smooth from being worn out but doesn't drift even one bit.
@@nezzled i had mine for 3 months and its awful
@@Morgan-pt6id that's weird then, I don't know why you had such a bad experience but I've never had issues
@@nezzled survivorship bias
@@Cunny_Lord That's an entirely different situation lol, I'm just stating that considering how well mine worked in the past it's hard for me to see others having issues.
That submarine sure can drift
Huh, probably not the best moment for youtube to recommend me that...
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You're telling me people are suing Microsoft for this and not Nintendo?
I’ve been using the 360 and the One S for Years and never got stick drift. This also goes with the PS1,PS3,PS4. I’ve only experienced stick drift on the switch.
I've never experienced drift with the Switch Pro Controller, either; it seems like the JoyCons just have shitty potentiometer friction.
@@commscan314 I mean, they were built small and compact. That might be the reason.
@@nootpooty It probably is. Maybe if Nintendo used an opto-mechanical system for them, they wouldn't face drift issues.
Yeah don't argue with the guy that has several different controllers taken apart and altered, about how controllers work
I don't think they were talking about you hitting anything with the toothpick but rather that applying constant pressure to the springs that re-center the stick could weaken them
Yep, had exactly this when I left a controller lying face down on the floor for a couple of weeks.
Crazy how Microsoft is getting sued for stick drift and Nintendo isn’t when the XB1 controller I’ve been using for half a decade is still perfectly usable and all of the Joycons I’ve bought have lasted a year of consistent use max. Not saying Microsoft shouldn’t be sued for this but it should at least be consistent.
The fact that he was nice about the comments that said it would cause controller drift
0:38 so should i remove it? cuz i hate it when i play a game and stop the stick it moves a bit and stops, same with the Screen but thats for other various games.
No, do not remove those unless you're about to replace them
They are crutial to the joystick module. I suggest leaving them alone unless you are very confident handling and replacing these
What a stupid question.
@@TheAbbeyoftheEveryman now, there is no need to be that rude. It is logical for someone who doesn't know about controllers. You can remove that gray piece and not brake it, it is better to ask than to make mistakes
This is completely true for the series controller. Used it for just an hour and extreme non-registering my LS joystick.
Protip: As someone who has worked with potentiometers in controllers of various kinds quite a lot, you can often fix jitter or "drift" by cleaning them with WD40 and letting them dry.
Sure, if you want to degrade all the plastics around the potentiometer and cause worse issues for yourself.
Use Isopropyl alcohol. It's not anywhere near as harsh as WD-40, and it evaporates away practically instantly. If you want something that lubricates the inside of the stick, wait for the alcohol to dry and apply some 205g0 like mechanical keyboard modders use, that's plastic-safe.
Or by buying a decent gamepad with hall effect sticks, and replacing your crap controller with it
What an awful tip lol.
You know what, just because you were so nice you will get a like and a new subscriber
Wow this is some like and subscribe content!
😅 thanks champion!
I've noticed a LOT of people really have no idea what stick drift actually is, and especially what causes it. They think it can be fixed by "blowing air" into a worn out potentiometer.
The way he called everyone champions made my day.
I remember a video or something saying how there a better technology for replacing this potentiometers causing strick drift that'll eliminate the problem completely but companies dont want it to sell more controllers from breakdown.
Subbed for concise explanation and no fat in the content whatsoever, much love.
4 months later
That controller (first one in the video) is making me want a Xbox one for Christmas.
Whoops, i thought this had to do with car drifting for some reason, Cool video though!! Theres something really satisfying about watching people who know alot about stuff work on their things, it's just relaxing :) i will sub 😊
Impressive comeback. My man
I don't think anyone's arguing that it has anything to do with touching electronics inside the controller.
Rather it being the constant pressure you're putting on it.
Just turn the controller face down, the rumble and slight pressure stops it turning off.
what a delight the algorithm has given me. Love the accent what is that welsh?
you can get stick drift too by doing what you doing too . if the centering mechanism is stained mechanically overtime or damaged , the stick won't return to the center (physically) anymore and you will still drift.
Pro tip: buy hall effect stick gamepads. 8bitdo makes them, e.g.
Sega made them for their consoles since early 1996.
the issue with these potentiometers is that these are not encapsulated and collect alot of dust and moisture that will eventually lead to jumpy contact or corrosion, which leads to altered voltage output, which then causes the drift. the carbon traces are also not overly wear resistant and you can wear through the layer aswell, which is another problem.
dust and corrosion can be cleaned out most of the time, but a used up carbon film is a death sentence. if you then combine that with cheap quality, you got your desaster.
I have 4 different Xbox controllers, main games are Overwatch and Minecraft, and i don't rage easily. One controller has heavy drift on the right stick, another has deoft on the left stick, the third the Left Bumper gets stuck down (so ill be in constant zoom in characters like Widow or Ana, or using abilities as soon as I have them) and lastly the Rt button (one below right bumper) just flat out doesnt work. Each controller has lasted about 5 months before starting to show signs of breaking. Have a great day
Gotta love the, "nah, dude" attitude.
I hate trolls. Sick of them after 2+ years on this platform tbh 😅
True the stick doesn't touch the in parts of the stick, but having it wedged in there will allow dirt and other things to get it and potentially get into the potentiometers.
I think this is a belief that use to be true and most people just don’t realize that newer controllers don’t have this issue. I can confirm if you do this to a N64 controller you will get stick drift.
How can you sue people for stick drift? It’s like suing a candle stick company because candles burn and disappear over time and you have to replace them with new ones to put in your stick~
If the argument is something different, like actively faulty hardware… then it’s not really suing for stick drift anymore, is it?
It is the same reason the US is suing apple, for refusing to improve their tech despite there being reasonable solution. Much like apple, microsoft and sony intentionally make their controllers wear & tear easy so that we are forced to buy new ones.
@perinamer1 I've only had 1 xbox controller have issues in the past 20y and it was due to a short circuit caused by excess solder
I've never had a Xbox controller drift
I've dropped my current controller that came with my Series X over a dozen times even directly on the sticks a few times
No stick drift
I've had a 3rd party xbox 360 controller for over 15 years
No drift
I also have a launch model Switch Lite and have used it to play everything from FPS to racing games and platformers
No drift
The only controller I've ever had drift is a PS2 controller I dropped and the only reason that got drift is because it actually broke the stick, had that controller for over 20y never had a single issue with it before that point
@@P_D-px6iv i remember how i bought a new dualshock4 specifically to keep it safe and sound. 1 week after i bought it my friend dropped it on the floor and it had stick drift issues since. The rest of my controllers that had stick drift i have no idea for the cause, but i have dropped them multiple times so idk why i'm surprised...
I like how you prove you weren't damaging the thing by opening one up and stabbing it where it really hurts xD
I've just fixed one by cleaning with isopropyl (didn't work) but then just reseating the potentiometers. Absolutely bang on precision now
I read it's been settled out of court and they haven't implemented any changes/fixes
I think its not because their point is touching something however the force that potentiometers are under is causing stick drifts.
You know, you could always just put your controller facing down on your table so that the stick automatically pushes against the table and moves, rather than going through the extra effort of putting a toothpick or rubber band or something like that.
Please cover the causes of joycon drift, I wonder if it is a joy convention in my controller, or a con that brings joy
Can do!
I personally prefer angling it on a desk because then there isn't a chance that bits get put into the controller
therapy: costs money
mick saying "alright champions": free
Stick drift can also but temporarily fixed by using alcohol on the white or black pads and the connectors in the blocks. If you really are bothered and can't seem too improve you can switch the pads from L3 to R3 or whatever the Xbox equivalent is. It's always better too replace since you get like three pairs for four dollars on Amazon.
i have been struggling with a stick drift on one of my controller and after doing everything shown in every video.. what worked for me was to loosen up the green thingy and create a little gap in between... this completely fixed the drift for now.. it has been a week..
another thing that causes stick drift is the gray plastic axis bracket that also breaks off.
the friciton is the biggest killer of controller sticks, i fixed mine by putting some dry lube on brand new stick modules, works perfectly although they have to be off the board to ensure no damage caused
Well literally any general usage or tilting of the stick will cause drift eventually. That's kinda how planned obsolescence works.
Absolutely love your username. It'd be like an American naming himself 'Oil Thief Yankee Doodle'
I've always believed stick drift started when the right/left stick click was introduced. Surely it puts extra pressure on the sticks
We've had stick clicking since 1997. Are there a lot of original DualShock and DualShock 2 controllers with drift problems?
My first xbox one controller that came with my xbox (the 2013 controller model) lasted me 3 years before getting drift and loose sticks
The second one (xbox one x controller) got drift after 2 months of use
My third controller is a new xbox series x controller and so far after two years of use it has minor drift which can be solved with deadzone settings
To avoid stick drift simply make the shell not touch the rubber (this may cause there to be problems with the stick goin under the shell but then just make the shell's sides have walls)
i think people are worried about stick drift because of how you're leaving a joystick pointing in one direction without moving for hours on end. Most things mechanical or not would sustain some damage after that sort of wear and tear
To be fair EVERYTHING causes stick drift in xbox controllers lol. It was actually one of the main motivating factors that made me get back into PC gaming on M&K because I was tired of spending 150$ a year on controllers lmao.