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Chinese soldier dont even have body armor crucial in saving a soldiers life china dont care because they can replace their losses by just throwing bodies at the problem
I think the thing is can China kill enough Americans and destroy enough equipment to make the US cease with a conflict in the area? No one expects Chinese paratroopers jumping into California. Post gulf war 1 the US expects minor casualties and losses in a war. Could the US populus stomatch losing a carrier with 5000 hands? China has the advantage that it can to a degree hide the impact of loses from its people and while the one child policy has doomed future population numbers they still have bodies to throw at problems. Hopefully it will never happen anyway
@@J_X999 The thing is China is playing catch up. A country can catch up other but outperforming is a big issue. Not to mention much of US tech is classified.
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Binkov noted in his earlier video about the threat of Russian subs to American aircraft carriers that the Russian subs didn't have to be better than or even equal to US subs. They just had to be good enough to avoid detection. Now it appears that the Chinese have reached that point, and they'll be building a lot more subs than the Russians.
@Atheos B. Sapien (Ubi dubium ibi liberatas) I doubt that fucking Portugal will be the decisive factor against China. I do hope we never find out in the real world though.
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@atheos19 yeah but in all reality that’s a select few European countries, some other American allies, since most don’t even have expeditionary forces let alone a submarine force capable of anything but a defensive coastal stance.
@atheos19 You really think the world is going to war with China because the US says so? Heck, I will be surprise if half of Europe will go to war with China on the behest of the US. China is the biggest trading partner with more than 120 countries in the world, and most of the rest have China either its 2nd or 3rd biggest trading partner. To go to war with China is to literally destroy yourself. So in the event of a conflict in west Pacific, the US might be the one who find itself alone.
As a metallurgist I spent quite a lot of time explaining to manufacturing that inclusions in the metal were why components fractured. I am sure those subs will be fine.
@@wilgoos63 Those hulls are welded wrought high strength steel. Its their casting, dirty cheep steel. Needle type inclusions close to the surface weaken the part lowering its strength and fatigue resistence. We buy this steel to reduce production costs. Next thing you know the part is breaking. Whether or not this has extended to the sub parts is unknown. One has just been lost by the titanic wreck. When they are compromised and start sinking they implode. This has happened to a US sub when the failed to maintain it properly to save money. Bits of sub were all over the ocean floor.
@@HellopeepsStavros My message was intended sarcastically, sorry if that didnt come across properly. Also, thanks for your explanation. That is kinda what I was thinking, microscopic inclusions can do really really bad things with the structural integrity of materials. I am not a metalurhgist but a geologist, so not a complete stranger to microscopic crystaline structrures and what you said 100% jives with the way i understand these things to work.
@@wilgoos63 As a geologist have you had to deal with young earth creationists ? Ken Ham built "the arc encounter" to show the world that everything living was pushed onto a single boat. Have you dated rocks with fossils using various isotope ratio tests ? How often had you had rows with Christians ? Any funny stories ?
@@therocinante3443So it is propaganda, even though he has made many videos that would, by your logic, be anti chinese and anti russian. It seems to me like you call whatever you dont like propaganda, but you call whatever you like facts.
I don't like China (or not China, but their government) and I could make fun of their submarine force after they recently allegedly lost a sub with 55 casualties, but if they decide to invade Taiwan, their silent submarines are the most dangerous unit used to keep foreign surface ships away from the conflict zone.
I will add the caveat that they do not need to be as good. But when they feel their equipment is good enough to be deemed as a near peer. Even if they are about 80% as good that is still wheere I think they would push production. I say this as they would like to use a number of this equipment for training and even development.
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@@theemperorofmankind3739 Exactly, building the most advanced shiniest piece of equipment doesn't win you the war necessarily, go ask the Germans about that. Kinda fascinating is that after defeating the Germans the US then starts copying the German procurment strategy.
I remember playing 688 on my old 486 as a kid. The new, high tech Los Angeles class was amazing and awesome... And that was over thirty years ago. Getting old sucks.
but it would make sense to lie about being unable to detect them. When it comes to military tech it is safe to assume everyone is lying. When you are trying to recruit you will talk about how awesome you are. When you asking for budget on the next toy you stress how close your opponents are.
The worst part is it will take until 2026 the earliest to get it repaired while the damage is not that severe...this kind of speed will fail the US navy when a war breaks out between China and the US in Taiwan Strait, as you know Chinese can get their damaged warships fixed in weeks.
@@AChannelThatDoesNothing sensor and gps not only photos. you block the lens but what about the chip and other shit. was too late just accept it and move on mate.
@@blackmetalcumbia Not really. Yeah we weren't looking for it through radar, but once we did find it we didn't immediately destroy it, we had no idea where it was from, what it was, who it belonged to, or if it was even safe to shoot down. Once we did know and it was safely away from any risky areas we did shoot it down, and then we shot down other ones when we knew what they were. This is exactly the approach that should be taken.
There are very few naval battles that can be used as a reference. There have been no submarine battles and aircraft carrier battles with similar technical levels for decades, so most of them can only be speculated based on tonnage parameters and historical experience. China's shipbuilding industry accounts for one-third of the world, and its technical capabilities and quality are unquestionable. It's just that building submarines is a completely different concept from building ordinary warships. I look forward to more information
@atheos19 China's completely independently manufactured manned space station has been in operation for more than a year. Airbus aircraft are also assembled in China. Large cruise ships, Tesla and Apple mobile phones are also made in China. In these areas with the highest quality requirements, Chinese products The quality is reliable. Blind slander does not help to understand each other
I remember back in 2012 or was 2013 when the pacific fleet get a shock of reality when that chinese sub captain decided to emerge at full speed 800 meters away from US carrier.
the Chinese captain can navigate whatever he wants but is clear they had him located. if the US submarines heard him spinning up torpedoes we would hear about a accident on a Chinese boat
@@Rumtrinker see found it the link althought it was a russian submarine model with chinese crew. To bad is the edited version, the original was more exciting.
Russian designers from the Malakhit and Rubin designers were hired as consultants for latter variants of the Type 093 and upcoming Type 095 SSNs The type 095 will likely share many features from the upcoming Russian Project 545, which is based on a simpler , more modular and economic version of the Yasen-M Class boats. Since the Yasen-M is very near peer to the Virginia and Sea Wolf Classes - its a huge leap forwards for China
The US has been building Virginia Class boats for twenty years. I would hope that they're at least getting close so that all of the Sinophiles something to talk about on Quora.
The point is that 20 years ago Chinese nuclear subs were about 40 years orso behind in technology. Nowadays they are reaching parity. Combine that with a massive edge over the US in production capacity and you have a real threat. Subs that are not as good but close in performance and available in large numbers and concentrated in one theater.
China is clearly working up to the point it has nuclear parity with the US. It's not so much about warhead counts, more like SLBM survivability and having warheads that could plausibly get through US missile defences. This is because they're going to invade Taiwan know the US basically has to fight them because it can't lose access to TSMC or Asian manufacturing. China also has a covert but fairly obvious deal with Russia. I expect that Ukraine will gradually escalate into an open Russia/NATO war and then China will invade Taiwan. Both hope that dividing US forces between Europe and the Pacific and the dubious stability of the US regime and economy will let them win. This is, of course, an absolutely insane plan and will lead to nuclear war. And of course the US is not blameless in this. It forced a coup in Ukraine and pushed Russia into the China camp rather than trying to have Russia anti Chinese but not fully aligned to the West, analogous to the way post Sino-Soviet split China was anti USSR but not fully aligned with the West. In a three power world system it is very, very important to make sure you're in the block of two, not the isolated single power. Instead the US plushed Russia into an alliance with China and has bullied even Western European states like Germany by blowing up Nordstream. This was incredibly stupid. Not as dumb as Russia and China copying the WW2 Axis idea of deciding to take on the West knowing that 1) The West has nukes and 2) It will probably use them rather than lose Taiwan. And even ignoring Taiwan it's hard to see any outcome over Ukraine that doesn't end with a direct NATO/Russia confrontation. As bad an idea as it obviously is I think the US, Russia and China all see a war coming.
The US won't trade Washington for Taipei Every war the US gets itself involved in has never posed an existential threat to the survival of the US. Getting into a nuclear exchange is existential for the US. and you dont sacrifice the king for a pawn.
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Lmao if anything the west has more to lose in a nuclear war, you are right in some part but still wrong, russia and chinas nukes combined outnumbers american and european nukes by far, and a much higher population count, this isnt germany in ww2 when they are out numbered 1 to 6
I've heard that before that USN had to do post sound recording and determined after the fact that they were followed by Chinese subs. seems the comment section doesn't understand the significance of that. it means that Chinese subs have been playing cat and mouse with the US navy and not losing that game. that's a dramatic chance in 20 years time. 20 years ago the Chinese subs were laughable.
I can tell you that the new Russian Yasen subs are about as quiet as an Improved LA class US sub. Pretty quiet but not close to as quiet as a Virgian or Astute. But…the problem for the Russians isn’t that the new Yasen class subs aren’t quite enough; it’s that they can only build a couple. The vast majority of their sub fleet are old Cold War models. The capability of your sub fleet is not equivalent to your best 1 or 2 subs, but the majority of the fleet, as well as the training of the crew.
Russians greatest weakness with its subs is the fact they basically are locked in really. Especially with NATO blocking off much of the easy routes from their ports to the Atlantic. Not so sure about the Pacific but you have Japan and South Korea plus the Seventh Fleet.
@@dianapennepacker6854 It would be a bigger weakness if the UK had kept their sub patrol aircraft. It's just a longer route they have to run. But with Finland, watching their bases is easier.
I look at things as realistically as I can. I see that China has long term goals militarily and economically, and they have been steadily achieving them. They are modernizing all branches of their military, land, air, sea...and space. They have openly declared that they want Taiwan back under their control, and are deep into preparation for that main event. They've been practicing combined arms all around Taiwan. They build multiple new helicopter bases on the mainland directly across from the island. I see the US putting more forces in Japan and the Philippines to counter, but I don't see the US & it's allies as having the ability to stop the eventual taking of Taiwan. I don't feel the US has the ability or will to stop China. While China continues to grow, I see the US struggling to hold what it has abroad. Afghanistan fell way faster than the analysts thought it would. The US used to have unrivaled military superiority, but both the numerical and technical advantages have shrunk rapidly. China has more ships, and they are quite capable. Their version of AWACS plane is now superior to what the US fields. China is building advanced tactical aircraft at a rate that outpaces the US and if they continue to do so will gain and even exceed US numbers. The US also seems to be doing a lot more reacting verses causing China to react. Don't forget, in the last world war, the US was the worlds factory and turned out the goods to help not only itself, but many allied countries as well. Today China is the worlds factory. I know China has plenty of flaws, but believing they are still a paper tiger when they have become a great dragon is naive.
China will never take Taiwan. First of all, the Chinese economy is crashing because their population is aging unnaturally due to their one child policy and companies are moving out of China. China will soon go into a permanent economic decline. Furthermore, China cheaply copies American tech. Chinese engineering and workmanship especially on complicated machines especially without Western help- very poor workmanship. Thirdly, all of China’s neighbors will war China with everything they have because they are defending their homes. Fourthly, the bases in the Philippines make it impossible for China to take Taiwan. American f22 & ngad fighters will dominate the skies. American air power alone is more than enough to sink all Chinese troop transports. Plus we have all the best submarines in the world.
All the companies are leaving China so they are no longer the world’s factory and all our military assets are positioned to both completely blockade China and to bomb their factories. China cannot blockade the USA. China might bomb a factory or two but the USA will bomb all of China’s. Nazi Germany had factories too but we were in position to bomb their factories. China would lose badly today. They might catch up a little but by 2030 - their economy is done
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The US generally does not talk about the technological capabilities of its submarine fleet publically. I wonder if comments made by US Navy personell about the closing technological gap with Rissian and Chinese equipment are actually true. To be sure China and Russia are doing all they can to close any technological gap in their hardware but at the same time the US is starting to build a new class of submarine and you can bet your bottom dollar they will incorporate every technological innovation they have from the latest flight of Virginia Class subs, plus some more advanced elements new to that class. Were the comments made by US naval personnel the truth or is this just intended to be negative enough to maintain or accelerate US Navy funding in budget allocations?
they are not 10 years behind the americans maybe french boats do. the best Chinese sub right now is noisy as hell. and the americans are putting one or two to sea A YEAR!! . the Chinese to be a submarine threat needs to spend good old USSR way. the had 200 SSK and SSNs in the good old cold war and the americans in the 70 peak 120 SSN
If I was designing a Chinese sub, I would build a special device to grind away to make a real racket. Lulled into the belief Chinese can't make a quiet sub, once the time comes to be serious, switch to stealth mode.
The Russians' latest submarine wasn’t readily tracked during its first outing but it was tracked on its second outing and now, it can already be identified by its sound (as made clear by Britain, France and Italy earlier this year). The Chinese may start out louder, the maintenance is unlikely to be so bad as to match this rate of degradation of stealthy capabilities. Western countries build databases of passive sound and look for a submarine's 'signature'. I'm sure China (and Russia for that matter) will certainly be trying to do the same nowadays.
The Ming Treasure Fleet. But that was early in the Ming Dynasty and was dismantled when it got back IIRC. It would make for some fun alternate history stuff, if current times wouldn't give it political overtones.
@@recoil53 well they ve knocked out portuguesse in Formosa and Spaniards in Philippines,there is a chance that they still have that Naval spirit in their genes
So when they say "Chinese subas are 1 generation behind" why on earth are you trying to convert that to a vague 10-20 year time frame and then back into generation of subs? If they say 1 generation behind, just look at the last gen of subs... So depending on how the US counts generations, either Seawolf or the last batch of Los Angeles class boats.
The publicly available specifications for the resolution of military satellite images is 25 cm. That's what they are letting us know. Donald Trump accidentally revealed in 2019 that USA 224 has a resolution of at least 10 cm if not better.
China’s non-military ship building capability is impressive in sheer tonnage & cost-effectiveness. Political actions, shaky financials, no middle class, and ethnic/cultural/language friction shatter the notion of international power projection. Between balloons, South China Sea aggression, energy and food dependency, AUKUS, the Quad, and South Korea, Japan, and the Philippine response to parasitic & para-military coast guard actions in disputed waters do not bode well for China. I wish the people well with reducing particulate matter and transitioning away from Russian Energy, but it’ll take time.
China still does not have the quality-control to make jaiba sydgen gears and so forth and things are still lacking haven't seen many programs about it and this seems far-fetched their submarines become quiet
US have soo much experience in this field. They still have the technological edge against it's adversaries. Ofc chinese aren't to be taken lightly. Only the day their subs can effectively evade US radars in guam, Hawaii and sail all the way upto west coast then they become a real threat to Us military. I wonder whether china can detect a US SSN when it sails in it's backyard.
US ofc still has the edge ( and probably will have it also in the future), Chinese Subs dont need to make all the way to the west coast to threaten the US. If its in a war against Taiwan scenario, its absolutly enough to intercept US convoys before they reach the west pacific.
The US is not universally better at everything. A sector that the US has underinvested for a long time in is ASV, to the point where US frigates can't even keep track of russian submarines in the medditerean, they need to get french and italian help to do that.
@@akiraraiku I'm not so much into ASW , but i imagine detecting subs in the med awful to pull of. Must be the sea with most noise pullution in the world. Its no wonder that France and Italy are superior at their own doorstep, with all that systems to monitor refugee boats.
@@akiraraiku How do I know you have no clue what you are talking about? The fact that you said ASV instead of ASW and then said US Frigates... The US has zero frigate class vessels commissioned. The last one in the Navy was USS Simpson which was decommissioned on 29 Sept. 2015. Plus I agree with SaviOr747, that is one of the most difficult places to keep track of vessels. Every northern European and Atlantic Ocean side nation in Either North or South America have the majority of their imports and exports go through the Mediterranean.
The UK and French subs are comparable to the US subs. I'm sure there are strengths and weaknesses and many similarities shared via NATO. Even if China has an equal level of tech in their new boats(doubtful), they completely lack the institutional knowledge required to truly be comparable. The real question is whether they commit to the training, quality assurance, maintenance, and MONEY required to operate and constantly upgrade a fleet. If they do, then one day they can be. There's also a lot that you don't learn when all you do is steal technology and fail to develop it yourself. There's a possibility that Russia could help them achieve their goals, but even they are a shell of what the Soviets once were. Those other countries only use diesel subs, as do many others. Most of the quality versions are bought from Sweden. They have their merits, and can be deadly when close to home.
Germany, South Korea, Japan don’t have nuclear powered subs so they aren’t comparable to main nuclear powers subs. U.S., Russia, China, France, U.K are the only nations with nuclear subs.
Chinese capability was never a joke to any techniologist that understands that the Chinese have the brain power to excel. That Chinese makes a huge amount lot of garbage products , DOES NOT REFLECT Chinese the potential.
I saw the latest battle ship in china with broken haul and cracked surface, but I don't know if it true or not if china do tofu building they might do tofu sub
It isn’t just the equipment. What is the training like? If it is hierarchical, then the sub is kinda useless. If your officer corps buys their ranks, then incompetence and corruption is rife.
The difference of mission sets should be considered. The PLAN may just use their subs for coastal defense so range really isnt an issue. China has dreams of becoming an international superpower but its not delusional - it knows its a regional power at best yet but it can wrestle against a superpower - and that is enough for them. That's probably also why the PLAN doesnt build a lot of subs, preferring a blue water navy and a very strong green water militia. They have a lot of vessels to compensate their technological gap and thats because they know they can use it all to concentrate in force - instead of the US who has to maintain ships elsewhere. The Chinese Navy is like the Italian Navy in WW2 basically, a force in being navy - the threat alone discourages offensives.
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"America has dreams of becoming an international superpower but its not delusional - it knows its a regional power at best" What year would you attribute this quote? I'd say perhaps the 1920s or 30s. China is a big country with lots of cities and lots of ports. It's position is pretty similar to that of America in the 1920s in the shadow of the mighty British Empire. Though of course the events of WW2 are quite spectacular. The only way China could eclipse America is if America was as idiotic as Britain was in 1939 and decided to start a nuclear war against Russia or something.
Balloons were monitored when they got close to the west coast, the military was most likely confused, it was an isolated incident, the last time the U.S. had shot down a hostile aircraft over its airspace was World War II. So they didnt want to cause an unprovoked ruckus on the world stage without identification and confirmations to the t.
Has the US and NATO lost skills forged in the coldwar? ASW was paramount in the 80s but has the shift to counter insurgency for 20 years allowed China to close the gap? Edit: typo
Typen 093 better than Type 091 Han class which was very noisy SSN, not hard to do. But I doubt a type 093 outclasses a 688I. so chinese SSN fleet today is a smaller joke than what they had 20 years ago. I'm more worried about what comes after 093 like what would a type 095 class be like and when? make a video speculating on a Type 093 followon please.
Chinese subs are deffo getting better, but they’re still not even close to USN tech. NATO subs are not only considerably quieter but also have significantly more advanced and powerful sonars that can our range and out match CCP boats. More importantly that both these things however is the tactics and methods that the USN has which the CCP does not, that’s the really classified stuff.
I have to say it is a wild imagination to make such a claim based on so little information... What i know here is that what things look like are more important than what they really are. We are educated to compete rather than cooperate with each other from school. There are factions playing gaming and politics in almost every company I worked for. The truth of teamwork projects like Submarines and aircrafts maybe more than meet the eye with this culture.
Getting better yes, its natural as China improves their technology but closer to the US? I doubt that. Its not like the US has stopped improving their own subs. A better comparison would be if the Chinese subs has equaled or surpassed the Russian's ones.
While the US military has a history of exaggerating opponent’s equipment to get more funding, this probably does not apply here. In both attack subs and anti-ship missiles the Chinese have invested heavily and refined.
We shouldn't joke about Chinese subs anymore... That's a reality, it may not be as good as US Navy subs, but they are improving and quiet significantly in that...
If you really want to know how capable this submarine is just search tofu dreg projects. And also recently cracks started to appear on the Fujian carrier
@@ParallelComparison this is the exact problem with everyone... You all have a superiority complex. You think Tofu projects also are common in Chinese military... Just search how much military data China has stolen from pentagon and other defence contractors. Lol even the iPhone that you are typing is probably made in China. It's a good thing that there are patriots here, but don't look down on the enemy, it's the worst mistake.
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It is NOT a pump jet.
Chinese junk will sink as fast
How would you know? Is chinese subs or a bigger joke Then your opinions. China is a dying nation with bad pegeography.
Binkov the first Pump Jet was trialed on HMS Churchill before it was fitted on the Swiftsure Class ( all but the lead boat of that class ) so UK subs used Pump Jet propulsion since mid 70s before the US also choose a similar configuration.
China's military isn't better than the US, but it's not a paper tiger.
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Chinese soldier dont even have body armor crucial in saving a soldiers life china dont care because they can replace their losses by just throwing bodies at the problem
I think the thing is can China kill enough Americans and destroy enough equipment to make the US cease with a conflict in the area? No one expects Chinese paratroopers jumping into California. Post gulf war 1 the US expects minor casualties and losses in a war. Could the US populus stomatch losing a carrier with 5000 hands? China has the advantage that it can to a degree hide the impact of loses from its people and while the one child policy has doomed future population numbers they still have bodies to throw at problems. Hopefully it will never happen anyway
Fair point. Eventually everything comes down to tech superiority and we all know who is pioneer in this area
@@prasanth2601 A technological edge might not be enough for the US. Like Binkov said, China is catching up unprecedentedly.
@@J_X999 The thing is China is playing catch up. A country can catch up other but outperforming is a big issue.
Not to mention much of US tech is classified.
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As much fun as we poke... Nuclear subs were never a joke, to be fair
Agree. No matter how noisy or quiet nuclear subs are, they're still better than most conventional weapons.
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Binkov noted in his earlier video about the threat of Russian subs to American aircraft carriers that the Russian subs didn't have to be better than or even equal to US subs. They just had to be good enough to avoid detection. Now it appears that the Chinese have reached that point, and they'll be building a lot more subs than the Russians.
@Atheos B. Sapien (Ubi dubium ibi liberatas) I doubt that fucking Portugal will be the decisive factor against China. I do hope we never find out in the real world though.
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@atheos19 yeah but in all reality that’s a select few European countries, some other American allies, since most don’t even have expeditionary forces let alone a submarine force capable of anything but a defensive coastal stance.
@atheos19 You really think the world is going to war with China because the US says so? Heck, I will be surprise if half of Europe will go to war with China on the behest of the US. China is the biggest trading partner with more than 120 countries in the world, and most of the rest have China either its 2nd or 3rd biggest trading partner. To go to war with China is to literally destroy yourself.
So in the event of a conflict in west Pacific, the US might be the one who find itself alone.
Didn't the nuclear Seawolf class sub stubbed it's nose somewhere near Taiwan, had to surface and limped all the way back to Hawaii for repairs?
As a metallurgist I spent quite a lot of time explaining to manufacturing that inclusions in the metal were why components fractured. I am sure those subs will be fine.
I mean it is not like submarine hulls get exposed to high pressures right?
@@wilgoos63 Those hulls are welded wrought high strength steel. Its their casting, dirty cheep steel. Needle type inclusions close to the surface weaken the part lowering its strength and fatigue resistence. We buy this steel to reduce production costs. Next thing you know the part is breaking. Whether or not this has extended to the sub parts is unknown. One has just been lost by the titanic wreck. When they are compromised and start sinking they implode. This has happened to a US sub when the failed to maintain it properly to save money. Bits of sub were all over the ocean floor.
@@HellopeepsStavros My message was intended sarcastically, sorry if that didnt come across properly.
Also, thanks for your explanation. That is kinda what I was thinking, microscopic inclusions can do really really bad things with the structural integrity of materials. I am not a metalurhgist but a geologist, so not a complete stranger to microscopic crystaline structrures and what you said 100% jives with the way i understand these things to work.
@@wilgoos63 As a geologist have you had to deal with young earth creationists ? Ken Ham built "the arc encounter" to show the world that everything living was pushed onto a single boat. Have you dated rocks with fossils using various isotope ratio tests ? How often had you had rows with Christians ? Any funny stories ?
Right, because you know what kind of quality steel they use. /sarcasm
*THE* best channel on Asian Navy's (like China's) is "Eurasia Naval Insight".
Really, REALLY excellent channel!
My hat might be one of the most bias channels on youtube
Yeah a really really excellent ccp propaganda channel
@@therocinante3443So it is propaganda, even though he has made many videos that would, by your logic, be anti chinese and anti russian. It seems to me like you call whatever you dont like propaganda, but you call whatever you like facts.
The worst thing you can do is underestimate the enemy.
I don't like China (or not China, but their government) and I could make fun of their submarine force after they recently allegedly lost a sub with 55 casualties, but if they decide to invade Taiwan, their silent submarines are the most dangerous unit used to keep foreign surface ships away from the conflict zone.
@@AgentSmith91155 wuam0s are in deep stinking pollution filled chimao ovean as we speak😂
When you see China is building 4/5/6 SSN a year，you will know Chinese SSN is as good as US's
That was the pattern we saw with their destroyers and frigates so I think you make a very reasonable point.
I will add the caveat that they do not need to be as good. But when they feel their equipment is good enough to be deemed as a near peer. Even if they are about 80% as good that is still wheere I think they would push production. I say this as they would like to use a number of this equipment for training and even development.
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@@theemperorofmankind3739 Exactly, building the most advanced shiniest piece of equipment doesn't win you the war necessarily, go ask the Germans about that. Kinda fascinating is that after defeating the Germans the US then starts copying the German procurment strategy.
@@wilgoos63 huh...never thought about that. Good point!
I love getting old; I still can't help thinking that the Los Angeles class is "new".
I remember playing 688 on my old 486 as a kid. The new, high tech Los Angeles class was amazing and awesome... And that was over thirty years ago.
Getting old sucks.
And here come legions of ignorants thinking you can copy super-complicated systems by copying their general shape.
but it would make sense to lie about being unable to detect them. When it comes to military tech it is safe to assume everyone is lying. When you are trying to recruit you will talk about how awesome you are. When you asking for budget on the next toy you stress how close your opponents are.
There is a youtube video detailing how China hunted one of the three Sea wolf class submarine which was rammed head on by a unmanned submarine.
Have you access to the link?
@jameslum8822 search roywalker, and also how PLA wiped out US made terrorists in Mindanao, Phillipines only in 1 week
@@jameslum8822 ua-cam.com/video/VeJLwUfLcEU/v-deo.html
@@irritatedanglosaxon1705 ?? But is it true or fiction though?
Heard that a US submarine was so stealthy, it ran itself into a mountain recently?
because that is a stealth mountain :p
China will destroy the US in China backyard period.......!!!!!!!!! China hunting the US submarines just fishing these day........!!!!!!!!!
yes because the sea coral cannot see or sense it.
The worst part is it will take until 2026 the earliest to get it repaired while the damage is not that severe...this kind of speed will fail the US navy when a war breaks out between China and the US in Taiwan Strait, as you know Chinese can get their damaged warships fixed in weeks.
or the sub stuck in a rock in the south china sea oops 🤣🤣
America can't detect a Chinese balloon, let alone a Chinese sub
What do you mean? It was detected.
@@AChannelThatDoesNothing but not stopped until too late. chinese gov already with the pictures
@@blackmetalcumbia Actually the US was able to block the camera on the balloon while spying on it back as the balloon went across the US.
@@AChannelThatDoesNothing sensor and gps not only photos. you block the lens but what about the chip and other shit. was too late just accept it and move on mate.
@@blackmetalcumbia Not really. Yeah we weren't looking for it through radar, but once we did find it we didn't immediately destroy it, we had no idea where it was from, what it was, who it belonged to, or if it was even safe to shoot down. Once we did know and it was safely away from any risky areas we did shoot it down, and then we shot down other ones when we knew what they were. This is exactly the approach that should be taken.
Well done China Super advanced powerful Submarine in the world .❤❤💪💪👏👏👍👍💯💯❤❤
There are very few naval battles that can be used as a reference. There have been no submarine battles and aircraft carrier battles with similar technical levels for decades, so most of them can only be speculated based on tonnage parameters and historical experience. China's shipbuilding industry accounts for one-third of the world, and its technical capabilities and quality are unquestionable. It's just that building submarines is a completely different concept from building ordinary warships. I look forward to more information
@atheos19 China's completely independently manufactured manned space station has been in operation for more than a year. Airbus aircraft are also assembled in China. Large cruise ships, Tesla and Apple mobile phones are also made in China. In these areas with the highest quality requirements, Chinese products The quality is reliable. Blind slander does not help to understand each other
@atheos19 So where is your point? If the imitation thing can go to space, then any other country can build a space station
The 093 "Shang" class is about on par with an old Victor III in terms of capabilities.
I remember back in 2012 or was 2013 when the pacific fleet get a shock of reality when that chinese sub captain decided to emerge at full speed 800 meters away from US carrier.
The media didn’t exposed that much. Although I wonder how many subs and implements they’ve done after all 10 years from now many things changed
the Chinese captain can navigate whatever he wants but is clear they had him located. if the US submarines heard him spinning up torpedoes we would hear about a accident on a Chinese boat
@@Rumtrinker I will find the youtube link. the pacific fleet wasn't expecting but np.I will gladly find it sooner or later.
@@Rumtrinker ua-cam.com/video/40zVLcL5rYE/v-deo.html
@@Rumtrinker see found it the link althought it was a russian submarine model with chinese crew. To bad is the edited version, the original was more exciting.
Russian designers from the Malakhit and Rubin designers were hired as consultants for latter variants of the Type 093 and upcoming Type 095 SSNs
The type 095 will likely share many features from the upcoming Russian Project 545, which is based on a simpler , more modular and economic version of the Yasen-M Class boats. Since the Yasen-M is very near peer to the Virginia and Sea Wolf Classes - its a huge leap forwards for China
"haha US navy joke" - increasingly sweaty British admiral (1898)
The US has been building Virginia Class boats for twenty years. I would hope that they're at least getting close so that all of the Sinophiles something to talk about on Quora.
The point is that 20 years ago Chinese nuclear subs were about 40 years orso behind in technology. Nowadays they are reaching parity. Combine that with a massive edge over the US in production capacity and you have a real threat.
Subs that are not as good but close in performance and available in large numbers and concentrated in one theater.
Quora is Infested with Indian hindu nationalists and extremists.
China is clearly working up to the point it has nuclear parity with the US. It's not so much about warhead counts, more like SLBM survivability and having warheads that could plausibly get through US missile defences. This is because they're going to invade Taiwan know the US basically has to fight them because it can't lose access to TSMC or Asian manufacturing. China also has a covert but fairly obvious deal with Russia. I expect that Ukraine will gradually escalate into an open Russia/NATO war and then China will invade Taiwan. Both hope that dividing US forces between Europe and the Pacific and the dubious stability of the US regime and economy will let them win. This is, of course, an absolutely insane plan and will lead to nuclear war. And of course the US is not blameless in this. It forced a coup in Ukraine and pushed Russia into the China camp rather than trying to have Russia anti Chinese but not fully aligned to the West, analogous to the way post Sino-Soviet split China was anti USSR but not fully aligned with the West. In a three power world system it is very, very important to make sure you're in the block of two, not the isolated single power. Instead the US plushed Russia into an alliance with China and has bullied even Western European states like Germany by blowing up Nordstream. This was incredibly stupid. Not as dumb as Russia and China copying the WW2 Axis idea of deciding to take on the West knowing that 1) The West has nukes and 2) It will probably use them rather than lose Taiwan. And even ignoring Taiwan it's hard to see any outcome over Ukraine that doesn't end with a direct NATO/Russia confrontation.
As bad an idea as it obviously is I think the US, Russia and China all see a war coming.
The US won't trade Washington for Taipei
Every war the US gets itself involved in has never posed an existential threat to the survival of the US. Getting into a nuclear exchange is existential for the US. and you dont sacrifice the king for a pawn.
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Lmao if anything the west has more to lose in a nuclear war, you are right in some part but still wrong, russia and chinas nukes combined outnumbers american and european nukes by far, and a much higher population count, this isnt germany in ww2 when they are out numbered 1 to 6
I've heard that before that USN had to do post sound recording and determined after the fact that they were followed by Chinese subs. seems the comment section doesn't understand the significance of that. it means that Chinese subs have been playing cat and mouse with the US navy and not losing that game. that's a dramatic chance in 20 years time. 20 years ago the Chinese subs were laughable.
When are you gonna talk about Chinese destroyers? 055 and 052D?
I can tell you that the new Russian Yasen subs are about as quiet as an Improved LA class US sub. Pretty quiet but not close to as quiet as a Virgian or Astute. But…the problem for the Russians isn’t that the new Yasen class subs aren’t quite enough; it’s that they can only build a couple. The vast majority of their sub fleet are old Cold War models. The capability of your sub fleet is not equivalent to your best 1 or 2 subs, but the majority of the fleet, as well as the training of the crew.
Russians greatest weakness with its subs is the fact they basically are locked in really. Especially with NATO blocking off much of the easy routes from their ports to the Atlantic. Not so sure about the Pacific but you have Japan and South Korea plus the Seventh Fleet.
@@dianapennepacker6854 It would be a bigger weakness if the UK had kept their sub patrol aircraft. It's just a longer route they have to run.
But with Finland, watching their bases is easier.
@@recoil53 Finland doesnt have a port in the Arctic.
@@gaborrajnai6213 Indeed, but you don't need a port to monitor.
I look at things as realistically as I can. I see that China has long term goals militarily and economically, and they have been steadily achieving them. They are modernizing all branches of their military, land, air, sea...and space. They have openly declared that they want Taiwan back under their control, and are deep into preparation for that main event. They've been practicing combined arms all around Taiwan. They build multiple new helicopter bases on the mainland directly across from the island. I see the US putting more forces in Japan and the Philippines to counter, but I don't see the US & it's allies as having the ability to stop the eventual taking of Taiwan. I don't feel the US has the ability or will to stop China. While China continues to grow, I see the US struggling to hold what it has abroad. Afghanistan fell way faster than the analysts thought it would. The US used to have unrivaled military superiority, but both the numerical and technical advantages have shrunk rapidly. China has more ships, and they are quite capable. Their version of AWACS plane is now superior to what the US fields. China is building advanced tactical aircraft at a rate that outpaces the US and if they continue to do so will gain and even exceed US numbers. The US also seems to be doing a lot more reacting verses causing China to react. Don't forget, in the last world war, the US was the worlds factory and turned out the goods to help not only itself, but many allied countries as well. Today China is the worlds factory. I know China has plenty of flaws, but believing they are still a paper tiger when they have become a great dragon is naive.
China will never take Taiwan. First of all, the Chinese economy is crashing because their population is aging unnaturally due to their one child policy and companies are moving out of China. China will soon go into a permanent economic decline.
Furthermore, China cheaply copies American tech. Chinese engineering and workmanship especially on complicated machines especially without Western help- very poor workmanship.
Thirdly, all of China’s neighbors will war China with everything they have because they are defending their homes.
Fourthly, the bases in the Philippines make it impossible for China to take Taiwan. American f22 & ngad fighters will dominate the skies.
American air power alone is more than enough to sink all Chinese troop transports.
Plus we have all the best submarines in the world.
All the companies are leaving China so they are no longer the world’s factory and all our military assets are positioned to both completely blockade China and to bomb their factories. China cannot blockade the USA. China might bomb a factory or two but the USA will bomb all of China’s. Nazi Germany had factories too but we were in position to bomb their factories.
China would lose badly today. They might catch up a little but by 2030 - their economy is done
@@azteclegalgroup7604none of what you said is true at all. It’s all pure speculation based on ridiculous propaganda.
@@azteclegalgroup7604 stupid alert
@@azteclegalgroup7604 Serious cope on display there
Wow, China is building submarines as good as USA built 30-40 years ago.
😂😂 coping hard
Try 100-200 years
@@rahjah6958 jealous Endian bot
@@Jkl62200 Endian can't even make a proper copy of a bridge, railway, and road without total failure.
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china doesn't have good submarine bases, no open access to deep water. it first needs a lot of surface ships to provide cover for its submarines.
Yes. Don't bother with them!
Kirby Zhang is a new Gordon Chang. 😂
say that to the Chinese cellphone that you use 24 hours non-stop
The US generally does not talk about the technological capabilities of its submarine fleet publically. I wonder if comments made by US Navy personell about the closing technological gap with Rissian and Chinese equipment are actually true. To be sure China and Russia are doing all they can to close any technological gap in their hardware but at the same time the US is starting to build a new class of submarine and you can bet your bottom dollar they will incorporate every technological innovation they have from the latest flight of Virginia Class subs, plus some more advanced elements new to that class. Were the comments made by US naval personnel the truth or is this just intended to be negative enough to maintain or accelerate US Navy funding in budget allocations?
It reminds me of the "bomber gap" and other panics the Pentagon has pushed during the Cold War. Good way to get more funding.
Fairly close to U.S. Subs in the 1970's? Give me a F'ing break....
Can you do a video in the new us navy frigate? The fact they’re getting frigates again, and pumping out 40 of them pretty quick?
Remember that time when there was a Chinese sub trailing a British carrier but the sub itself was being trailed by a British submarine
Source?
Lol😂😂
that was 091
Yeah, your remember.
@@J_X999 you think I’m gonna remember the exact link for everything?
0:28 The Chinese have jumping submarines?! Yeah, we’re boned
Grabbing some popcorn...
The comment section would be entertaining.
Saying that China is 10 years behind the US fails to address the issue of where would the US be 10 years from now ?
095 submarine will debut in 2-3 years. that will put china in equal standing as usa
they are not 10 years behind the americans maybe french boats do. the best Chinese sub right now is noisy as hell. and the americans are putting one or two to sea A YEAR!! . the Chinese to be a submarine threat needs to spend good old USSR way. the had 200 SSK and SSNs in the good old cold war and the americans in the 70 peak 120 SSN
@@RumtrinkerAmerican subs will quietly sink at the bottom of the ocean without a fight recently happened in south china sea
@@Rumtrinkerstill believing in American ship building industry? That is a paper ball compare to Chinese and even Korean
@@Superpooper-2020 the last us sub that sank is the Scorpion what is your imagination saying?
One if the most disappointing things in life is realizing that submarines dont have windows
Hhh me too
Yeah, it sucks they can't stare out into the darkness of the Deep...
@@TheImmoralNosferatuZodd imagine you are a soldier on a submarine, and the lights suddenly turn off
@@loadingnewads lol it's not like being in your home at night, and turning off the lights to be able to see outside.
@@TheImmoralNosferatuZodd lol that's part of the realization. You couldn't see anything anyway
If I was designing a Chinese sub, I would build a special device to grind away to make a real racket. Lulled into the belief Chinese can't make a quiet sub, once the time comes to be serious, switch to stealth mode.
The issue with that is that they will not learn how good western detection tech is or isnt.
Cavitation is not 'air bubbles', this is a common misconception, they are voids which simply collapse to produce sound.
It is water vapor and other gases dissolved in the water, as I understand it.
1950 China 🇨🇳 vs USA 🇺🇸
Enjoy your vacations! :)
We could get better pictures if we flew a balloon over.
The Russians' latest submarine wasn’t readily tracked during its first outing but it was tracked on its second outing and now, it can already be identified by its sound (as made clear by Britain, France and Italy earlier this year). The Chinese may start out louder, the maintenance is unlikely to be so bad as to match this rate of degradation of stealthy capabilities. Western countries build databases of passive sound and look for a submarine's 'signature'.
I'm sure China (and Russia for that matter) will certainly be trying to do the same nowadays.
1st and 2nd pacific island chains are gone, stay safe in Pearl Harbor boys
Just one thing... Its still made in china.
Well chineese once had the strongest navy during Ming dynasty,they ve reached somalia and indonesia.During Quinn dynasty,they didnt invest in navy
The Ming Treasure Fleet. But that was early in the Ming Dynasty and was dismantled when it got back IIRC.
It would make for some fun alternate history stuff, if current times wouldn't give it political overtones.
@@recoil53 well they ve knocked out portuguesse in Formosa and Spaniards in Philippines,there is a chance that they still have that Naval spirit in their genes
If you want to get the specs on any of China's latest tec all you have to do is look at our last gen of the same tec.
what about 055 destroyer?
Where is US AESA that can compare to 055’s?
And what about hypersonic missiles, which is lethal to US…
I want to know why Americans are always “proud” or say arrogant
I hope that the algorithm shines brightly on you while you are on holiday
So when they say "Chinese subas are 1 generation behind" why on earth are you trying to convert that to a vague 10-20 year time frame and then back into generation of subs?
If they say 1 generation behind, just look at the last gen of subs... So depending on how the US counts generations, either Seawolf or the last batch of Los Angeles class boats.
The publicly available specifications for the resolution of military satellite images is 25 cm. That's what they are letting us know. Donald Trump accidentally revealed in 2019 that USA 224 has a resolution of at least 10 cm if not better.
China’s non-military ship building capability is impressive in sheer tonnage & cost-effectiveness.
Political actions, shaky financials, no middle class, and ethnic/cultural/language friction shatter the notion of international power projection.
Between balloons, South China Sea aggression, energy and food dependency, AUKUS, the Quad, and South Korea, Japan, and the Philippine response to parasitic & para-military coast guard actions in disputed waters do not bode well for China.
I wish the people well with reducing particulate matter and transitioning away from Russian Energy, but it’ll take time.
"China's nuclear submarines sail slower than whales," a Chinese media report said.
When Chinese media says something negative about China, you lap it up like a dog
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China still does not have the quality-control to make jaiba sydgen gears and so forth and things are still lacking haven't seen many programs about it and this seems far-fetched their submarines become quiet
US have soo much experience in this field. They still have the technological edge against it's adversaries. Ofc chinese aren't to be taken lightly. Only the day their subs can effectively evade US radars in guam, Hawaii and sail all the way upto west coast then they become a real threat to Us military.
I wonder whether china can detect a US SSN when it sails in it's backyard.
US ofc still has the edge ( and probably will have it also in the future), Chinese Subs dont need to make all the way to the west coast to threaten the US. If its in a war against Taiwan scenario, its absolutly enough to intercept US convoys before they reach the west pacific.
The US is not universally better at everything. A sector that the US has underinvested for a long time in is ASV, to the point where US frigates can't even keep track of russian submarines in the medditerean, they need to get french and italian help to do that.
@@akiraraiku I'm not so much into ASW , but i imagine detecting subs in the med awful to pull of. Must be the sea with most noise pullution in the world. Its no wonder that France and Italy are superior at their own doorstep, with all that systems to monitor refugee boats.
@@akiraraiku How do I know you have no clue what you are talking about? The fact that you said ASV instead of ASW and then said US Frigates... The US has zero frigate class vessels commissioned. The last one in the Navy was USS Simpson which was decommissioned on 29 Sept. 2015. Plus I agree with SaviOr747, that is one of the most difficult places to keep track of vessels. Every northern European and Atlantic Ocean side nation in Either North or South America have the majority of their imports and exports go through the Mediterranean.
How would these compare to non-US subs such as France/Germany/S.Korea/Japan etc.?
The UK and French subs are comparable to the US subs. I'm sure there are strengths and weaknesses and many similarities shared via NATO. Even if China has an equal level of tech in their new boats(doubtful), they completely lack the institutional knowledge required to truly be comparable. The real question is whether they commit to the training, quality assurance, maintenance, and MONEY required to operate and constantly upgrade a fleet. If they do, then one day they can be. There's also a lot that you don't learn when all you do is steal technology and fail to develop it yourself. There's a possibility that Russia could help them achieve their goals, but even they are a shell of what the Soviets once were.
Those other countries only use diesel subs, as do many others. Most of the quality versions are bought from Sweden. They have their merits, and can be deadly when close to home.
Germany, South Korea, Japan don’t have nuclear powered subs so they aren’t comparable to main nuclear powers subs.
U.S., Russia, China, France, U.K are the only nations with nuclear subs.
Happy holidays to Binkov and Uberslavia.
4 things: Land; Natural Resources; Humans and Investment...people does not yet seem to open their eyes...time goes by...
not even a question. according to the US China has over 250x the naval building capacity of the US. if it's war the US is losing.
Chinese capability was never a joke to any techniologist that understands that the Chinese have the brain power to excel.
That Chinese makes a huge amount lot of garbage products , DOES NOT REFLECT Chinese the potential.
You get what you paid for. Chinese production is like Ikea: they cover from low end to high end of the market
How’s this opinion holding up this week?
Oops.
@@jimdake6632 What is to holding up this week?
Oops.
Fallout is about to get real
Where is Sean Connery when you need him lol
I saw the latest battle ship in china with broken haul and cracked surface, but I don't know if it true or not if china do tofu building they might do tofu sub
CSIS just refute this absurd rumor
stop eating propaganda
@@prastagus3China builds garbage, accept reality 😂
@@theguy8412the irony of someone dumb enough to gobble Chinese propaganda saying that 😂
@@prastagus3 Send me the link to show me evidence
It isn’t just the equipment. What is the training like? If it is hierarchical, then the sub is kinda useless. If your officer corps buys their ranks, then incompetence and corruption is rife.
Please let the comments not be filled with NaCL.
Salt...
Has anyone here ever thought "im going on wish to get a quality product that will do what it should"
The first UK test propulsor was installed on a Churchill class in the late 60s and the Swiftsure class from 1973 had them as standard.
Ppl keep laughing and others keep working and spying
As good as our 30+ year-old technology
The difference of mission sets should be considered. The PLAN may just use their subs for coastal defense so range really isnt an issue. China has dreams of becoming an international superpower but its not delusional - it knows its a regional power at best yet but it can wrestle against a superpower - and that is enough for them.
That's probably also why the PLAN doesnt build a lot of subs, preferring a blue water navy and a very strong green water militia. They have a lot of vessels to compensate their technological gap and thats because they know they can use it all to concentrate in force - instead of the US who has to maintain ships elsewhere.
The Chinese Navy is like the Italian Navy in WW2 basically, a force in being navy - the threat alone discourages offensives.
more ccp shill cope
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"America has dreams of becoming an international superpower but its not delusional - it knows its a regional power at best"
What year would you attribute this quote?
I'd say perhaps the 1920s or 30s.
China is a big country with lots of cities and lots of ports. It's position is pretty similar to that of America in the 1920s in the shadow of the mighty British Empire. Though of course the events of WW2 are quite spectacular. The only way China could eclipse America is if America was as idiotic as Britain was in 1939 and decided to start a nuclear war against Russia or something.
Magnetic pulse drive
The comments under this video is straight up just bad.
Copium comments incoming!
If chinese subs are as stealthy as their balloons America is doomed... 💪
Balloons were monitored when they got close to the west coast, the military was most likely confused, it was an isolated incident, the last time the U.S. had shot down a hostile aircraft over its airspace was World War II. So they didnt want to cause an unprovoked ruckus on the world stage without identification and confirmations to the t.
Has the US and NATO lost skills forged in the coldwar? ASW was paramount in the 80s but has the shift to counter insurgency for 20 years allowed China to close the gap?
Edit: typo
All the way from England,so they finally upgraded from the Helen Keller mark one sonar did they?
Put the entire british armed forces in a stadium and still there's room to spare, sit down son lol
When ppl are talking about submarines, F35 joins the chat
Typen 093 better than Type 091 Han class which was very noisy SSN, not hard to do. But I doubt a type 093 outclasses a 688I. so chinese SSN fleet today is a smaller joke than what they had 20 years ago. I'm more worried about what comes after 093 like what would a type 095 class be like and when? make a video speculating on a Type 093 followon please.
Lots of 12 year olds who have no fucking clue what they’re saying here😂
Let's see how effectively chinese can able to detect US attack subs if we ever get to see some real action in South China Sea.
Cut to the chase, who's ahead now.
@@jorgej8855ignorant
„precision parts“ - If there is ONE thing china never achieved, than that is precision manufacturing especially with metal
Pretty sure you need precision manufacturing when making a space station
Who made the Chinese space station then?
@@elmohead mass production precision manufacturing is way different than a one off spacestation.
Sorry, China already achieved that. They show it already they have the machine to do it.
@@Fatallydisorganized Didn't know N-subs are for mass production, where can I buy a reactor?
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Chinese subs are deffo getting better, but they’re still not even close to USN tech. NATO subs are not only considerably quieter but also have significantly more advanced and powerful sonars that can our range and out match CCP boats. More importantly that both these things however is the tactics and methods that the USN has which the CCP does not, that’s the really classified stuff.
Binkov says they are definitely getting close to US capabilities.
5:03 you forgot HMS Sovereign, launched in 1973
What's that one saying? Oh yea, pride goes before a downfall.
Thats how american empire is doing with their vessels countries...are falling. 😂
Its not that Chinese submarines are getting quiet, its that US sonarmen are growing deaf from listening to them.
lmao
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Considering how many chicoms are Allowed to work in US military contractors it is NO surprise
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The Chinese like to build stuff
I have to say it is a wild imagination to make such a claim based on so little information...
What i know here is that what things look like are more important than what they really are. We are educated to compete rather than cooperate with each other from school. There are factions playing gaming and politics in almost every company I worked for. The truth of teamwork projects like Submarines and aircrafts maybe more than meet the eye with this culture.
This vid made me sleep mid way thanks
*VIVA LA CHINA 🇨🇳*
Por qué?
Getting better yes, its natural as China improves their technology but closer to the US? I doubt that. Its not like the US has stopped improving their own subs. A better comparison would be if the Chinese subs has equaled or surpassed the Russian's ones.
While the US military has a history of exaggerating opponent’s equipment to get more funding, this probably does not apply here. In both attack subs and anti-ship missiles the Chinese have invested heavily and refined.
Sameme exact hull?🤔
They took chinese knockoff to a new level 😂
We shouldn't joke about Chinese subs anymore... That's a reality, it may not be as good as US Navy subs, but they are improving and quiet significantly in that...
If you really want to know how capable this submarine is just search tofu dreg projects. And also recently cracks started to appear on the Fujian carrier
@@ParallelComparison It was this kind of western mentality that got China this big today. Underestimating your enemy will be your downfall one day.
@@ParallelComparison this is the exact problem with everyone... You all have a superiority complex.
You think Tofu projects also are common in Chinese military...
Just search how much military data China has stolen from pentagon and other defence contractors.
Lol even the iPhone that you are typing is probably made in China.
It's a good thing that there are patriots here, but don't look down on the enemy, it's the worst mistake.
@@LCCATCX No, the leaders of uncle Sam most of the time are pure stupid. China is just like a big Iran that is all. They mess produce missiles and drones.
Without uncle Sam's stupidity paper dragon wouldn't even be able to boast about it's tofu ships. Uncle Sam brought paper dragon into the free and open market and place it's manufacturing there.
@@ParallelComparison lol your comment aged badly didn't it
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