I don't think that anyone has ever really challenged these letters in a court? If I had wealth enough to make a challenge against this obvious threatening, intimidating, disgusting letters I would!
Actually, there have been cases in the past where people sued and won compensation. A tiny fraction do it, and you have to collect all the letters, but it has been done. Whether I would encourage someone to do that is another matter. Legal action tends to be long winded, stressful and costly. The compensation is not necessarily great either.
@@timg1246 I would do all sorts " if I had millions But when you have got millions you probably don't think of these things it's only because we are poor we think that way !
@@timg1246 Yes, I have seen this. In a nutshell, you tell TV licencing that you don't need a licence and you warn them that any future correspondence will be invoiced. They basically copied a guy called Richard Herman who forced a telemarketing company to pay him money for dealing with their unwanted calls after he had repeatedly warned them. It sounds like a pain, but if you have enough time on your hands it would be satisfying to win, even if it was for about £100.
Yes, for me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
@@anonnemo2504 I once watched a TV licence goon " reading , them the rights on their doorstep " lol 😂 Now " anybody else would have been intimidated by that one ; But the guy he was saying it to , knew the law .
@@alanjones9101 It's the same format, different date! Shocking they are allowed to do this as threatening extortion letters make me hate the BBC even more!
Send them to your MP and complain about anxiety stress from harassment, state you told them you don't watch live TV etc. If your MP don't hear about this they think TV licencing is what we want and will vote accordingly in 2027
Yep I got this exact letter on the 17th of this month (Nov 2022). I have a little bit of joy each time I get a letter as I know it's cost them money to send it and it's a pointless waste of time.
Five years, one letter a month, 12 Investigations started , 7 visits scheduled , turned up for 1 and that was only because we contacted them saying we don't need a license. Go figure..
Jon about 60 threatening bullying TV Licence letters from Capita addressed to ‘The Occupier’ arrived on my desk at work, for new residents on a housing estate. They all went straight in the office recycling bin.
Loving your videos! If anybody watching this has elderly relatives and they get scared by those threatening TV License letters. Get them watching this video! 👍
I had a threat - o - gram yesterday in a red envelope, opened it to find it was a Christmas greeting from good old Scott Robson. The threat o gram was then used to satisfy my shredders hunger before then being given to the kid next door for his pet hamsters bedding 😎
It's an escape thing if they put your name on it and where is menacing as that then you could tell you were being menaced personally it's a bit of a stretch but they probably say that you were inferring the letter is for you, but it doesn't mention you personally, so the only thing you should do with throw it in the bin because a letter to your house isn't for you. A letter has to be addressed to you or nobody which would assume it's for everyone at that address, otherwise you can't really open it, you're not obliged to read any letters sent to your address even if they're in your name. I just bin them.
The nearest to that is (in RED PRINT): “Local investigation active at XXXX XXX (my postcode) I got a visit from TVL a week or two ago. Knock knock (at door) I opened door Man wearing black jacket with TVL in white letters: “I’m glad I caught you in” Me: “No thanks, no thank you” Closed front door as Mr TVL was still fumbling with his ID. Done.
Years back one of them was banging on the front door then looked through my livingroom window and said I can see you, and banged for a while on my window. I would tell him where to go now.
Sounds like a very clever crafted letter designed for high pressure and there's even a bit of "good cop bad cop" text in there. Maybe they could be classed as malicious communication.
What the letters should say regarding the, 'visit from an enforcement officer', is that one of these salespersons will try to coerce you into incriminating yourself by suggesting that you're breaking the law by watching live broadcast television, when you're not. They'll be insistent and use weasel words in order to try and trick you into saying something that they can then use against you in a court of law. As the forgone conclusion of owning a television isn't enough evidence any more, they have to try to push people into admitting that they've watched television as it's broadcast, or having watched shows via the official on-line player. It's the only way they can now secure a conviction, assuming the campaign of threatening letters hasn't already convinced them into paying a licence, just to be on the safe side. Which is the main reason for these letters. It's to make people feel uneasy about using a television when they're not covered by a TV licence. Something that's not longer a prerequisite for owning a television. Watching legally without a licence that can easily be done, nowadays. And there should be absolutely no guilt associated with it, whatsoever. The best way to deal with them is not to enter into any kind of correspondence whatsoever. Don't even acknowledge them. And, if they do happen to call round and catch you when you're not expecting them, then just tell them you're not interested and close the door. The best part being that they're powerless to do anything about it. They are, after all, nothing but salespeople trying to flog something you obviously don't need, or want.
It's always best to not speak to them however friendly they may be. I once heard a tale about someone engaging with them in a seemingly harmless conversation about football who was asked whether they saw the match last night. They said yes. Needless to say, a court summons followed pretty quickly. How true this story is, I don't know, probably not, but it is an example of how talking to them, even in what seems a harmless situation, is not recommended.
The day they include a stamped addressed envelope with their threatening letter will be the day I might consider replying within 10 days. I'm not saying I WOULD reply within 10 days, only that I might consider it 😁
When I was in the armed forces I did an Anti-Interrogation course. We were trained to answer all questions with the statement. "I am sorry sir I cannot answer your question". The answer was designed so that you can't incriminate yourself in any way.
I’m never paying the licence fee again, after 3 years free of them and a far better life reading books learning how to draw with graphite powder and learning how to paint with watercolour. The best time is in the summer when you have spent the day in the garden drawing and painting a picture while mr & mrs Robin come and see what you are doing pinching the occasional mealworm. Life can be really stress free if you just bin yourself licence!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Do it and get your life back, you will be surprised believe me.
I had a letter from them telling me that they would call on a certain date, so I got some cake and biscuits and made a pot of tea and waited, but they didn't turn up, I thought how rude they were.
Jon Would it be possible to get Black Belt Barrister involved and do a Class action against these absolutely terrible threatening intimidating letters designed to terrify elderly and people with mental health problems and others . I would gladly contribute to a fund .
Me too. For me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
I've reported these harassment letters many times to the police. The amount of nonsense in the replies from these so called law enforcement officers is astonishing: "If you do have a TV you must have a TV licence", "you need to make them aware that you don't need a licence". "Not complying with the above would mean that you could be guilty and receive the subsequent fine." "The agency is allowed by law to use threats if they are used to reinforce a demand made by him on reasonable grounds", " you need to speak to the TV Licensing agency directly if you wish for these letters to stop and to prevent any further possible escalation from the agency.". There is so much wrong with what they said, I don't where to begin. But I took their responses to the IOPC and this the reply: " the letters would not be deemed as harassment and therefore the response you received was reasonable and proportionate". Rubbish!
For me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
@@The63blue Strange then that they have been consistently so critical of the current government since it came to power in 2010. I dare say that may change, though, were there to be a Labour government.
For me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
I agree. The 'under caution' thing is weird, because the Census Officials also carry that line when anyone refuses to complete it, and they come to interview them - but they're representing a government service. It needs officially, lawfully nailing down as to who, when and how this kind of thing can be used.
@@shadowjack239 Yes, any commercial organisation which claims this power, let alone one with a deserved reputation for dishonesty, such as Capita, should be severely dealt with.
Hi I could really confuse them. I am a licensed Radio Amateur, and hold a license to transmit TV over the airwaves!! I have not had a TV license for years, and they have now given up, I have no wish to watch the rubbish that is on TV, and I object to paying for watching the commercial tv channels whose infrastructure is paid for by advertising! I do not even listen to the BBC radio, even the flagship Radio 4, which used to be a good source, but no longer. Thanks for your hard work. Jim Ham License M7BXT (for those that are interested!)
I have received a new letter from tv licensing today. It had a little calendar at the top of the text with 7th December circled in red. It states that an investigation is on hold until that date and if I don't buy one then they will send the goon round. 😅 I imagine that there is some data protection issue preventing them from addressing their threatening letters by my name instead of 'Legal Occupier' 🤔 I haven't moved address since I stopped paying for the TV Licence. These letters are 'guilty until proven innocent' in their nature. ☹️
They will stop using your name after a couple of years. Do not be afraid of these people. I have not watched tv for 7 years now. I have done nothing illegal. Never had a visit. I get at least 1 letter a month. Don’t open the letters ever
Ten years ago I removed their implied right of access, told them to remove any and all details pertaining to my address save for a note on their system that they must not make contact of any kind ever again unless instructed to do so by myself, gave them a breakdown of my fee schedule for if they ever do break the conditions, told them that I would accept just one further piece of correspondance from them to confirm that they had received my instructions, that said correspondance would indicate their acknowledgement and warned them that they are legally obligated to comply with the instructions. Haven't heard a dickie bird from them since - no letters, phone calls, visits, nothing. Simply removing their implied right of access is not enough, which is the mistake many make. You have to take the fight to them and tell them what they WILL damn well do and not do. Make the sniveling sods squirm. It's no good getting angry on the doorstep, phoning them or trying to tie them in knots through conversation. Only a clearly-worded legal letter, with proof of receipt, stipulating what they must/must not do and what, in detail, will be the concequences of their ignoring your instructions will be good enough. Without that, you leave yourself open to further harrassment.
I’ve removed everybody’s implied right of access by simply putting a lock on the gate. Nobody can get to the front door and we don’t have a doorbell. We also have a ‘beware of the dog’ sign so no one ever wants to come in anyway (We don’t have a dog)!
its kinda hilarious, to imagine these people thinking everyone is sneaking live tv like a smoker behind a shop, meanwhile most people i know have netflix etc and havent cared much about tv in years
Cancelled my license last year, they send me these letters and they said they will send an enforcement officer around. I dont mind, as far as I'm concerned this all costs them money, I'm not obliged to tell them anything, let them crack on and waste their money.
I work for a paper merchant, delivering to printers. These letters help drivers like me, the people in our warehouse, the printers, the Royal Mail, the recycling industry, et al. Long may they continue. Thank you TVL for helping to keep so many people in a job! 👍🏻
It's still wrong. It still costs. Keep up with that kind of attitude and the TV tax will just be added to our council tax, then we'd all be up the same creek, without the same paddle. No need for letters and printers then. I'd be happier if it's just left as it is, letters or not, I don't need a TV licence.
@@thebaldyhippy it's prob illegal to add to council tax. Councils cannot charge for a service they are not responsible for, or supply, surely ? Worth challenging if and when it happens.
@@thebaldyhippy it's prob illegal to add to council tax. Councils cannot charge for a service they are not responsible for, or supply, surely ? Worth challenging if and when it happens.
I've got all my letters filed in chronological order going back for many years. I must have about 50 by now, It's my hobby, I'm a TV goon letter collector. I call the hobby "Goonology" and I'm a "Goonologist". I might stick them in an album. The collection might be worth a lot of money one day lol.
Why are receiving these letters not seen as a public order offense, i.e causing alarm and distress? Is it because getting a letter in a private dwelling isn't 'public?' If so, why is it not covered by the malicious communications act with the deliberate ingenuity
According to the police (and I have their dialogue) the BBC are exempt. For that reason everyone should cancel their TV licence even if they do watch TV.
How can they interview you? You are not applying for a job.? Yes say no Thank you, then shut the door? If they turn up with the law, Then when they find out you are genuine. It time for you to complain you have been harassed, and ask for compensation. If they do not respond go to the Press? Log every thing.
The times I have been scheduled for a visit, must be at least 10 times and I have been looking forward to slamming the door in there face, but they never turn up
I've had one of those with a date on it 11th November 2022. It also said it maybe at an other time including weekends and evenings. So why give me a date they are turning up then add all that rubbish. I've subsequently had a letter saying the property is under investigation. Then a TV goon sat outside my house for ages...total muppets...😂😂😂
i actually went back to them and filled out the form to say i dont need a licence, and i STILL get letters like this so its evident how utterly amazin they are at investigating 😂
I always get 2 goons coming to my door, 1 rattles my door while 1 stand on my neighbour's drive 😂 when I answer the door 1 shoves his ID up at my face while I'm looking at number 2 trying to look over me and into my living room 😂 bunch of cowboy's 😂 I have a Japanese akita and as soon as he barks I need to go and contain him 😂 also I keep getting these under investigation letter's every 3 months fo 3 year's and no one has came back 😂😂😂😂
Also installed a cheap CCTV camera and one of them stickers no sales person no religious groups etc etc and amazingly nothing 😂❤️ keep up the good work ❤️
It must cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds sending out these intimidatingl letters I have personally received around 7 letters in these past two years No other company or organisation would get away with this behaviour How come the BBC/Capita can
when i have spoken to people about cancelling the tv licence as i have done myself it always amaze me as to the ignorance of people regarding the tv licence ONE being you need a TV licence if you have a tv I always try to direct them to this channel to learn more.
The police will only get involved if the goons have a warrant. They can only get a warrant if they have evidence that you are watching or recording live TV or using i player. They can only get the evidence if you tell them or let them into your home. So just saying nothing and close the door, so no evidence hence no warrant, hence no police 👍
That's true. They're supposed to be impartial and only to prevent a breach of the peace, but I've not only seen them side with TVL, I've seen them threaten to arrest the occupier for obstruction if they don't co-operate.
Excellent advice and thank you. My experience of this letter was via email (so yes they do know where I live). This is after I went through all the correct online procedure to cancel my TV licence a few months ago, because I no longer watch anything that requires the licence. So it appears they just assume people will still watch the "forbidden fruit", and begin this campaign to scare us into getting a licence again. Needless to say that won't be happening. I might think of blocking further emails from them, but then it is a source of entertainment as well. Keep up the great work!
The licensing folk have no power, they try to dress to scare you and use entrapment techniques as part of their job. I would strongly suggest you buy a Ring doorbell or similar and that will show you what they are like. I think for vulnerable folk they would be a great thing to have so you don’t feel unsafe. It’s up to each of us to ensure these unwanted salesmen don’t get their commission at our expense, use a door chain for security and get used to having it on all the time. If you get an unexpected door knocker ask who they are and politely but firmly say “ no thank you”. If by miracle the licensing folk come a knocking just politely say “ no thank you” and close the door, they will have to leave empty handed and without their commission. There’s more of us than there is of them and they don’t like it up them as the old guy used to say in Dads Army.
@@robl5833 yes I've got one - check every time before answering, last goon that came I was sat at work watching her on my phone, shown my work colleagues - they were in stitches as she covered her face to hide it from the video.
I wish some rich person would fight them in court and stop this BS from happening. I wish some Barrister would take a case on and shove it to the BBC !
They keep promising to come to my house and do and investigate my TV, but they just let me down over and over. It's so sad because I really, really, want to say to them, "Are, you're a door-to-door salesman working for Capita. No thank you", and close the door in their face. If they ever turn up, I'll send you the vid.
The whole business model of “enforcement “ is now past its best before date. Now time for them to change their whole approach and cut the amount they make in PROFIT
Had loads of letters from them, I was always at work ! One day I answered the door to this guy who said he was television licensing Followed your good advice and informed him I don’t watch mainstream tv . The guy was a reasonable man , didn’t force the issue . Said he would knock me off the system ! Thanks for your excellent advice ! Wouldn’t and couldn’t have done it without you 🙏
I am shocked they are now sending enforcement letters addressed to "The Occupier" how do they know someone is living there? What if the house is abandoned and there are rats, will the TV license try and make the rats pay?
Lost count of how many of these letters I've had, some even had a date they'll visit so I sat in all day and the bas%"ds didn't turn up, was looking forward to shutting the door in their face.
How many times do the public get charged 'Administration Fees' by companies for dealing with correspondences? I wonder if it would be possible to bill Crapita a £5 administration fee for each letter that comes through our doors. Maybe that would cut down on the amount of threat mail they send out each year.
I read somewhere that a guy invoiced TV licencing for the time he had to spend filing all their letters, and for the folders and other stationary he had had to use in doing so. It went to court, he won, and TVL had to pay his invoice, plus court fees. Whether it's true or not I don't know.
This is sickening!! If I have an untaxed vehicle on my drive I complete a SORN declaration and don't use the car on the public highway. DVLA don't send letters or goons to check me out or accuse me of lying. Who do these people think they are?? Just because I have a TV, doesn't mean I use it??
Please don't waste your letters by throwing them away. Forward each and every one to your local MP asking why their Government permit the BBC to send you threatening letters for services you don't use and didn't request. Explain how anxious they make you feel and its impacting your daily life - ham it up. Flood your MP with these letters, as they wont have seen them as the tax payer picks up their licence.
I had an idea. I'm going to use one of these letters and photo shop out tv licensing and insert my own companies name. When trading standards goes bananas I can show them what I did! Got em!
5 years of not paying, and never will again. It's really really garbage 🗑
I don't think that anyone has ever really challenged these letters in a court? If I had wealth enough to make a challenge against this obvious threatening, intimidating, disgusting letters I would!
Actually, there have been cases in the past where people sued and won compensation. A tiny fraction do it, and you have to collect all the letters, but it has been done.
Whether I would encourage someone to do that is another matter. Legal action tends to be long winded, stressful and costly. The compensation is not necessarily great either.
@@timg1246 I would do all sorts " if I had millions
But when you have got millions
you probably don't think of these things
it's only because we are poor we think that way !
@@timg1246
Yes, I have seen this. In a nutshell, you tell TV licencing that you don't need a licence and you warn them that any future correspondence will be invoiced. They basically copied a guy called Richard Herman who forced a telemarketing company to pay him money for dealing with their unwanted calls after he had repeatedly warned them. It sounds like a pain, but if you have enough time on your hands it would be satisfying to win, even if it was for about £100.
Yes, for me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
@@anonnemo2504
I once watched a TV licence goon " reading , them the rights on their doorstep " lol 😂
Now " anybody else would have been intimidated by that one ;
But the guy he was saying it to , knew the law .
These letters are harassment, pure and simple
The police think they are proportionate... the police are idiots
Absolutely agree! I like to see it tested in court!
When somebody knocks on my door I usually look/ask through the window to see/know who it is: so, yes, the door wouldn't be even opened to them.
I don't know if I had this letter, because I return them all to sender!
Don’t return them. Ignore them. It’s like clicking on an unwanted email. They know you have seen it.
They can't take a hint that some people don't want to pay for the TV crap.
In short the letter actually says buy a TV License or we'll send the big boys round to stalk you in your own home.
In theory we should be able to get a Restraining Order against those creepy men. 🤣
In reality they are just sad little men. The letters are written by the deranged (That's Pipa Doubtfire by the way)
Got my special red letter in time for Xmas. I have a stack of these and they are pathetic! Prayers up for the BBC to go bust soon!
Yep...I've had a nice red letter too. Didn't even bother to read this one. Just used it as a firelighter.
@@alanjones9101 It's the same format, different date! Shocking they are allowed to do this as threatening extortion letters make me hate the BBC even more!
Send them to your MP and complain about anxiety stress from harassment, state you told them you don't watch live TV etc. If your MP don't hear about this they think TV licencing is what we want and will vote accordingly in 2027
Yep I got this exact letter on the 17th of this month (Nov 2022). I have a little bit of joy each time I get a letter as I know it's cost them money to send it and it's a pointless waste of time.
just shut the door, what are they going to do, interview the f'in letterbox? 👍😀
I had one shout at me through the letter box 'You're unlicenced!" I know... I don't have a licence for guns either.....
@@MikeEves exactly! I've never received training to operate a TV! Never been on a TV course!
"They will interview you under caution."
Unless you slam the door in their face. 😁
am I wrong in thinking only the police can interview you under caution ?
@@barrystubbs983 Yep
@@barrystubbs983 anybody can interview you under caution. It's just words and it's meaningless.
After watching your videos I cancelled my direct debit just so I would get these hilarious letters!! 🤣
TVs work without a license anyway lol
Excellent. I look forward to mine
Lol
Another one joined the licence free club…good on you 👍
Welcome on board! Long live the peaceful Revolution!
That’s like saying the lollipop person can interview anyone Under Caution 🤣
I had a red post office letter opened it and in was a letter off them! Saying official investigation, again chucked in bin.
"That investigation is going cracking" 😂😂😂 Thanks for making me chuckle after a rough day. Keep going fella 💪🏻
Lol I think it's at early stages still determining the name
Five years, one letter a month, 12 Investigations started , 7 visits scheduled , turned up for 1 and that was only because we contacted them saying we don't need a license. Go figure..
Jon about 60 threatening bullying TV Licence letters from Capita addressed to ‘The Occupier’ arrived on my desk at work, for new residents on a housing estate. They all went straight in the office recycling bin.
I've received this letter six times (so far 😊), each time following the "10 days to get correctly licenced" letter.
Ignored all six. 😁
Loving your videos!
If anybody watching this has elderly relatives and they get scared by those threatening TV License letters. Get them watching this video! 👍
This is very important ... even if they actually need one.
I had a threat - o - gram yesterday in a red envelope, opened it to find it was a Christmas greeting from good old Scott Robson. The threat o gram was then used to satisfy my shredders hunger before then being given to the kid next door for his pet hamsters bedding 😎
It's an escape thing if they put your name on it and where is menacing as that then you could tell you were being menaced personally it's a bit of a stretch but they probably say that you were inferring the letter is for you, but it doesn't mention you personally, so the only thing you should do with throw it in the bin because a letter to your house isn't for you. A letter has to be addressed to you or nobody which would assume it's for everyone at that address, otherwise you can't really open it, you're not obliged to read any letters sent to your address even if they're in your name. I just bin them.
The nearest to that is (in RED PRINT):
“Local investigation active at XXXX XXX (my postcode)
I got a visit from TVL a week or two ago.
Knock knock (at door)
I opened door
Man wearing black jacket with TVL in white letters:
“I’m glad I caught you in”
Me:
“No thanks, no thank you”
Closed front door as Mr TVL was still fumbling with his ID.
Done.
Yes, dont need any pegs today thank you.
Years back one of them was banging on the front door then looked through my livingroom window and said I can see you, and banged for a while on my window. I would tell him where to go now.
Yuck. He may as well have added "You're my wife now" or something equally creepy! 🤣 (Apologies if you have never watched League of Gentlemen.)
@@Queen-of-Swords Probably wondered if “Dave” was there!😂
Sounds like a very clever crafted letter designed for high pressure and there's even a bit of "good cop bad cop" text in there. Maybe they could be classed as malicious communication.
What the letters should say regarding the, 'visit from an enforcement officer', is that one of these salespersons will try to coerce you into incriminating yourself by suggesting that you're breaking the law by watching live broadcast television, when you're not. They'll be insistent and use weasel words in order to try and trick you into saying something that they can then use against you in a court of law. As the forgone conclusion of owning a television isn't enough evidence any more, they have to try to push people into admitting that they've watched television as it's broadcast, or having watched shows via the official on-line player. It's the only way they can now secure a conviction, assuming the campaign of threatening letters hasn't already convinced them into paying a licence, just to be on the safe side. Which is the main reason for these letters. It's to make people feel uneasy about using a television when they're not covered by a TV licence. Something that's not longer a prerequisite for owning a television. Watching legally without a licence that can easily be done, nowadays. And there should be absolutely no guilt associated with it, whatsoever.
The best way to deal with them is not to enter into any kind of correspondence whatsoever. Don't even acknowledge them. And, if they do happen to call round and catch you when you're not expecting them, then just tell them you're not interested and close the door. The best part being that they're powerless to do anything about it. They are, after all, nothing but salespeople trying to flog something you obviously don't need, or want.
Well said 👏
It's always best to not speak to them however friendly they may be. I once heard a tale about someone engaging with them in a seemingly harmless conversation about football who was asked whether they saw the match last night. They said yes. Needless to say, a court summons followed pretty quickly. How true this story is, I don't know, probably not, but it is an example of how talking to them, even in what seems a harmless situation, is not recommended.
Your doing sterling work there Jon, by easing people's minds, they really think the world owes them a living.
Why isn't this disgusting bullying behaviour talked about on TV/News ? Oh wait, they're part of the problem. Keep spreading the word Chilli 👏
Yes I have received the same letter it went straight in the bin, and no one has turned up
The day they include a stamped addressed envelope with their threatening letter will be the day I might consider replying within 10 days.
I'm not saying I WOULD reply within 10 days, only that I might consider it 😁
They wouldn't do that bacause guess what be in the SAE ? Their own letter Haha
I told them not to contact me anymore and if they did I'd consider it harassment, they stopped. That was 6 years ago.
If this were a movie the BBC would be called "The Mob" and the license fee would be called a "Protection Racket".
Yeah got one yesterday.
They would be saving money if they didn't send so many.
I had one of these letters last week, it was in a red envelope, I thought for a minute it was a Christmas card Haha.
When I was in the armed forces I did an Anti-Interrogation course. We were trained to answer all questions with the statement. "I am sorry sir I cannot answer your question". The answer was designed so that you can't incriminate yourself in any way.
I’m never paying the licence fee again, after 3 years free of them and a far better life reading books learning how to draw with graphite powder and learning how to paint with watercolour. The best time is in the summer when you have spent the day in the garden drawing and painting a picture while mr & mrs Robin come and see what you are doing pinching the occasional mealworm. Life can be really stress free if you just bin yourself licence!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Do it and get your life back, you will be surprised believe me.
I had a letter from them telling me that they would call on a certain date, so I got some cake and biscuits and made a pot of tea and waited, but they didn't turn up, I thought how rude they were.
Nice one thanks man. Nice to know we are not alone 👍
Jon Would it be possible to get Black Belt Barrister involved and do a Class action against these absolutely terrible threatening intimidating letters designed to terrify elderly and people with mental health problems and others .
I would gladly contribute to a fund .
Me too. For me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
You definately cannot trust that idiot!.. Black belt scammer more like
Thank you for your good public service. I hope it will put many people's minds at rest
I've reported these harassment letters many times to the police. The amount of nonsense in the replies from these so called law enforcement officers is astonishing: "If you do have a TV you must have a TV licence", "you need to make them aware that you don't need a licence". "Not complying with the above would mean that you could be guilty and
receive the subsequent fine." "The agency is allowed by law to use threats if they are used to reinforce a demand made by him on reasonable grounds", " you need to speak to the TV Licensing agency directly if you wish for these letters to stop and to prevent any further possible escalation from the agency.". There is so much wrong with what they said, I don't where to begin. But I took their responses to the IOPC and this the reply: " the letters would not be deemed as harassment and therefore the response you received was reasonable and proportionate". Rubbish!
Mike Eves, so why are the BBC allowed to be different, seemingly above the law than any other company in🇬🇧UK❓
@@nonaknight9491 Yes, it seems the BBC get a free pass. No wonder Saville got away with his crimes.
For me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
the bbc is a state owned propoganda mouthpiece for the government
thats why they get away with it
@@The63blue Strange then that they have been consistently so critical of the current government since it came to power in 2010. I dare say that may change, though, were there to be a Labour government.
We just had this letter. Gave us a good chuckle
For me, the phrase, "they will interview you under caution" crosses a line. For years, Capita have come close to this line but this phrase is not only intimidatory (a standard Capita ploy), it claims for themselves a power they do not have. If I thought they would do anything about it, I would report this letter to the authorities.
I agree. The 'under caution' thing is weird, because the Census Officials also carry that line when anyone refuses to complete it, and they come to interview them - but they're representing a government service.
It needs officially, lawfully nailing down as to who, when and how this kind of thing can be used.
@@shadowjack239 Yes, any commercial organisation which claims this power, let alone one with a deserved reputation for dishonesty, such as Capita, should be severely dealt with.
Just shut the door on them
Hi I could really confuse them. I am a licensed Radio Amateur, and hold a license to transmit TV over the airwaves!! I have not had a TV license for years, and they have now given up, I have no wish to watch the rubbish that is on TV, and I object to paying for watching the commercial tv channels whose infrastructure is paid for by advertising! I do not even listen to the BBC radio, even the flagship Radio 4, which used to be a good source, but no longer. Thanks for your hard work. Jim Ham License M7BXT (for those that are interested!)
G6WPH here, me too, radio 4 is appalling these days, I listen to Belgian radio via the internet, and Caroline on 648 khz.
I have received a new letter from tv licensing today. It had a little calendar at the top of the text with 7th December circled in red. It states that an investigation is on hold until that date and if I don't buy one then they will send the goon round. 😅
I imagine that there is some data protection issue preventing them from addressing their threatening letters by my name instead of 'Legal Occupier' 🤔 I haven't moved address since I stopped paying for the TV Licence.
These letters are 'guilty until proven innocent' in their nature. ☹️
Had lots of them, tvl just full of sh×t.
They will stop using your name after a couple of years. Do not be afraid of these people. I have not watched tv for 7 years now. I have done nothing illegal. Never had a visit. I get at least 1 letter a month. Don’t open the letters ever
An impolite way to put it is they're racketeering, though somehow allowed to do it.
Ten years ago I removed their implied right of access, told them to remove any and all details pertaining to my address save for a note on their system that they must not make contact of any kind ever again unless instructed to do so by myself, gave them a breakdown of my fee schedule for if they ever do break the conditions, told them that I would accept just one further piece of correspondance from them to confirm that they had received my instructions, that said correspondance would indicate their acknowledgement and warned them that they are legally obligated to comply with the instructions. Haven't heard a dickie bird from them since - no letters, phone calls, visits, nothing.
Simply removing their implied right of access is not enough, which is the mistake many make. You have to take the fight to them and tell them what they WILL damn well do and not do. Make the sniveling sods squirm. It's no good getting angry on the doorstep, phoning them or trying to tie them in knots through conversation. Only a clearly-worded legal letter, with proof of receipt, stipulating what they must/must not do and what, in detail, will be the concequences of their ignoring your instructions will be good enough. Without that, you leave yourself open to further harrassment.
I’ve removed everybody’s implied right of access by simply putting a lock on the gate. Nobody can get to the front door and we don’t have a doorbell. We also have a ‘beware of the dog’ sign so no one ever wants to come in anyway (We don’t have a dog)!
Legally that don't mean shit.
its kinda hilarious, to imagine these people thinking everyone is sneaking live tv like a smoker behind a shop, meanwhile most people i know have netflix etc and havent cared much about tv in years
Cancelled my license last year, they send me these letters and they said they will send an enforcement officer around. I dont mind, as far as I'm concerned this all costs them money, I'm not obliged to tell them anything, let them crack on and waste their money.
I work for a paper merchant, delivering to printers. These letters help drivers like me, the people in our warehouse, the printers, the Royal Mail, the recycling industry, et al. Long may they continue. Thank you TVL for helping to keep so many people in a job! 👍🏻
It's still wrong. It still costs. Keep up with that kind of attitude and the TV tax will just be added to our council tax, then we'd all be up the same creek, without the same paddle. No need for letters and printers then. I'd be happier if it's just left as it is, letters or not, I don't need a TV licence.
@@thebaldyhippy but it would be like, paying for a car road tax, when you have no car.
@@thebaldyhippy it's prob illegal to add to council tax. Councils cannot charge for a service they are not responsible for, or supply, surely ?
Worth challenging if and when it happens.
@@thebaldyhippy it's prob illegal to add to council tax. Councils cannot charge for a service they are not responsible for, or supply, surely ?
Worth challenging if and when it happens.
Got one binned it, must aask TVL to start paying part of my rates as they are helping to fill my bin.
I got it yoday,this very same letter,tore it up and put it in my log burner lol
I've got all my letters filed in chronological order going back for many years. I must have about 50 by now, It's my hobby, I'm a TV goon letter collector. I call the hobby "Goonology" and I'm a "Goonologist". I might stick them in an album. The collection might be worth a lot of money one day lol.
Oh god I got one of these during my time as a student 2 years ago. Went straight in the bin. Still waiting for the visit lol
Why are receiving these letters not seen as a public order offense, i.e causing alarm and distress? Is it because getting a letter in a private dwelling isn't 'public?' If so, why is it not covered by the malicious communications act with the deliberate ingenuity
According to the police (and I have their dialogue) the BBC are exempt. For that reason everyone should cancel their TV licence even if they do watch TV.
The state propaganda tool cant be guilty of any wrong doing.. Us plebs however...
These videos have helped and reassured a lot of people. Well done mate.
Talk to the F#%king letter box 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍 I can’t wait for my visit from Mr.Funt😂
How can they interview you? You are not applying for a job.?
Yes say no Thank you, then shut the door?
If they turn up with the law, Then when they find out you are genuine. It time for you to complain you have been harassed, and ask for compensation. If they do not respond go to the Press?
Log every thing.
With all door to door sales people, I pretend to be deaf and do sign language and make noises at them, they soon give up.
They really are pathetic! As advised, close the door. Great vid Jon, keep up the good work
The times I have been scheduled for a visit, must be at least 10 times and I have been looking forward to slamming the door in there face, but they never turn up
I've had one of those with a date on it 11th November 2022. It also said it maybe at an other time including weekends and evenings. So why give me a date they are turning up then add all that rubbish. I've subsequently had a letter saying the property is under investigation. Then a TV goon sat outside my house for ages...total muppets...😂😂😂
Great job Chilly! \m/
I stopped paying the TV tax. I never had any of these illegally threatening letters like this or a goon visit to my door. I feel cheated.
i actually went back to them and filled out the form to say i dont need a licence, and i STILL get letters like this so its evident how utterly amazin they are at investigating 😂
Got that this morning. Straight in the bin.
I always get 2 goons coming to my door, 1 rattles my door while 1 stand on my neighbour's drive 😂 when I answer the door 1 shoves his ID up at my face while I'm looking at number 2 trying to look over me and into my living room 😂 bunch of cowboy's 😂 I have a Japanese akita and as soon as he barks I need to go and contain him 😂 also I keep getting these under investigation letter's every 3 months fo 3 year's and no one has came back 😂😂😂😂
Also installed a cheap CCTV camera and one of them stickers no sales person no religious groups etc etc and amazingly nothing 😂❤️ keep up the good work ❤️
I love the comment "anything you say to the officer could be used in court"
And, yes I've had the same letter!
"What happens next."
*F**K ALL* 🤣
spot on
It must cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds sending out these intimidatingl letters
I have personally received around 7 letters in these past two years
No other company or organisation would get away with this behaviour
How come the BBC/Capita can
when i have spoken to people about cancelling the tv licence as i have done myself it always amaze me as to the ignorance of people regarding the tv licence ONE being you need a TV licence if you have a tv I always try to direct them to this channel to learn more.
The problem is if the police do get involved they tend to support these goons 100%.
The police will only get involved if the goons have a warrant. They can only get a warrant if they have evidence that you are watching or recording live TV or using i player. They can only get the evidence if you tell them or let them into your home. So just saying nothing and close the door, so no evidence hence no warrant, hence no police 👍
That's true. They're supposed to be impartial and only to prevent a breach of the peace, but I've not only seen them side with TVL, I've seen them threaten to arrest the occupier for obstruction if they don't co-operate.
Excellent advice and thank you. My experience of this letter was via email (so yes they do know where I live). This is after I went through all the correct online procedure to cancel my TV licence a few months ago, because I no longer watch anything that requires the licence. So it appears they just assume people will still watch the "forbidden fruit", and begin this campaign to scare us into getting a licence again. Needless to say that won't be happening. I might think of blocking further emails from them, but then it is a source of entertainment as well. Keep up the great work!
The licensing folk have no power, they try to dress to scare you and use entrapment techniques as part of their job. I would strongly suggest you buy a Ring doorbell or similar and that will show you what they are like. I think for vulnerable folk they would be a great thing to have so you don’t feel unsafe. It’s up to each of us to ensure these unwanted salesmen don’t get their commission at our expense, use a door chain for security and get used to having it on all the time. If you get an unexpected door knocker ask who they are and politely but firmly say “ no thank you”. If by miracle the licensing folk come a knocking just politely say “ no thank you” and close the door, they will have to leave empty handed and without their commission. There’s more of us than there is of them and they don’t like it up them as the old guy used to say in Dads Army.
Best advice a ring doorbell. Don't answer the door.
@@robl5833 yes I've got one - check every time before answering, last goon that came I was sat at work watching her on my phone, shown my work colleagues - they were in stitches as she covered her face to hide it from the video.
I wish some rich person would fight them in court and stop this BS from happening. I wish some Barrister would take a case on and shove it to the BBC !
Got it in one. The law depends on how much money you have. If I win the lottery I will drag them through court.
Even then the corrupt court will do whatever the system demands to keep it held together!
I am shaking in my boots!! 😆 🤣 😂
Get this letter regularly and have never get a visit
They keep promising to come to my house and do and investigate my TV, but they just let me down over and over. It's so sad because I really, really, want to say to them, "Are, you're a door-to-door salesman working for Capita. No thank you", and close the door in their face. If they ever turn up, I'll send you the vid.
Someone needs to either call the police for harassment and distress or sue for the same.
That's it give them ideas. Your honour I need a warrant, the letter box told me they watch live tv. ROFL
The whole business model of “enforcement “ is now past its best before date. Now time for them to change their whole approach and cut the amount they make in PROFIT
Anything you say may be written down & used as evidence.
"Please stop hitting me Mr tv licence man".
Let them read that out in court. 🤣
Had loads of letters from them, I was always at work !
One day I answered the door to this guy who said he was television licensing
Followed your good advice and informed him I don’t watch mainstream tv .
The guy was a reasonable man , didn’t force the issue . Said he would knock me off the system !
Thanks for your excellent advice !
Wouldn’t and couldn’t have done it without you 🙏
It won’t stop there. Don’t answer the door to these people. They are not reasonable people. They will come back when your kids answer the door.
@@mortuaryartist
Thanks for the heads up 👍
I generally don’t answer the door to anyone 😃
I am shocked they are now sending enforcement letters addressed to "The Occupier" how do they know someone is living there? What if the house is abandoned and there are rats, will the TV license try and make the rats pay?
Just had one of these.. and after years of "filling in their online from" ... I'm like NO THANKS!! Great video thank you :)
When they come talk about how much commission they get for as long as possible. If they try to leave beg them not to go😂😂😂
Yes , On my third. Had RED envelopes letters as well telling the postie its for for TV license 🤮
Lost count of how many of these letters I've had, some even had a date they'll visit so I sat in all day and the bas%"ds didn't turn up, was looking forward to shutting the door in their face.
How many times do the public get charged 'Administration Fees' by companies for dealing with correspondences? I wonder if it would be possible to bill Crapita a £5 administration fee for each letter that comes through our doors.
Maybe that would cut down on the amount of threat mail they send out each year.
Brilliant✅
I read somewhere that a guy invoiced TV licencing for the time he had to spend filing all their letters, and for the folders and other stationary he had had to use in doing so. It went to court, he won, and TVL had to pay his invoice, plus court fees. Whether it's true or not I don't know.
Maybe people should get text notices to put on their door "No Soliciting Tv Licenses!"
I keep getting letters telling me my address is under investigation but they still don’t know my name. The investigation is obviously going well.
Waiting for one to say you have an aerial on your roof so I can say got milk in the fridge but don’t have a cow
This is sickening!! If I have an untaxed vehicle on my drive I complete a SORN declaration and don't use the car on the public highway. DVLA don't send letters or goons to check me out or accuse me of lying. Who do these people think they are?? Just because I have a TV, doesn't mean I use it??
I have been getting these threatening letters for years now.
Had this one before.
Please don't waste your letters by throwing them away. Forward each and every one to your local MP asking why their Government permit the BBC to send you threatening letters for services you don't use and didn't request. Explain how anxious they make you feel and its impacting your daily life - ham it up. Flood your MP with these letters, as they wont have seen them as the tax payer picks up their licence.
I had this letter 2 weeks ago... 😂
least the budgie had something to shit on 😁
Did anyone come out lol 😅
@@oldfatbastad6053 🤣🤣🤣
@@pam164 😁
I had mine today, going straight back in the post return to sender like all the others do
I had an idea. I'm going to use one of these letters and photo shop out tv licensing and insert my own companies name. When trading standards goes bananas I can show them what I did! Got em!
Had this one just added it to the pile of letters for when I sue them for harassment