I agree. I love him as an actor and when I heard he got the part I was thinking that you couldn’t possibly have a better casting. He’s literally perfect.
SAME ! It was such a dumb decision to do away with the organic mask which looked significantly better and much more comic book accurate than the metal helmet that we ended up getting in the final film ! WTF 🙄🤦😒 !?!?!?
The problem is there isn't a real world application they can use with it, like the version in the movie is for military uses, that being said I'd prefer the original design
Nah dude that helmet looks sick I always thought it looked pretty cool and scary especially when I first saw the movie. The way the eyes folded back seemed like a cool way to do the expression. And the way it connects to how Norman was obsessed with masks especially Japanese Shinobi masks making Norman wanna make his own version makes the look and origin that much better in my opinion. My only problem with it and the rest of the original suit was that it just looked kinda...naked. Some purple or extra gadgets or even just a belt would've really brought the look together which is what the no way home design fixed perfectly. Just wish the helmet came back.
As cool as it would have been, they made the right choice for the time. Also, the helmet made it easier for the Norman Osborne character to exist simultaneously with the goblin. Made the switching between the 2 less clunky. I hated the weird makeup look in the Andy Garfield movies BTW.
They could have had more fun with it. I'm thinking of a helmet like cowl, like Batman, might have worked with his mouth completely exposed but wearing eye lenses so you can see his expression. It could have originally been a full face mask/shield but Norman could have been shown modifying it and ripping off the mouth guard or better yet Spidey smashing the mouth guard in their first conflict and little by little Norman's face is exposed as with each fight his helmet is chipped away until the big reveal at the very end of the movie.
A lot of people complained about the Penguin in Batman Returns being so scary for children. They used an old mold for the first action figure. Sony, of course, didn't want to lose money with licensing deals or angry parents. 😊
They should have just put some green make up fx on willam dafoe made it a side effect of the formula Tbh green goblin is a difficult villain to pull off in live action
I believe that nowadays, a comic accurate Green Goblin design with prosthetics is possible. Take Art The Clown for example. That is some great prosthetics at work there and I know for sure Willem Dafoe's gonna kill it if he was ever given a chance to do that.
Nah dude that helmet looks sick I always thought it looked pretty cool and scary especially when I first saw the movie. The way the eyes folded back seemed like a cool way to do the expression. And the way it connects to how Norman was obsessed with masks especially Japanese Shinobi masks making Norman wanna make his own version makes the look and origin that much better in my opinion. My only problem with it and the rest of the original suit was that it just looked kinda...naked. Some purple or extra gadgets or even just a belt would've really brought the look together which is what the no way home design fixed perfectly. Just wish the helmet came back.
I never understood the Goblin costume. But when those animatronic mask tests were put on UA-cam DECADES later, man..what a missed opportunity. Mind you, I always wonder what James Cameron’s movie would have been like. Btw, they also scrapped the mechanical web shooters very late into production, and they may have even filmed a section with them. Don’t quote me on that though. I’m still of the opinion that it should have been mechanical. But I haven’t read the comics since the 1980s.. so what do I know 😂
I understand why they made that choice at that time - they were trying to find the right balance for a superhero movie to take off into the mainstream, and there are a number of different approaches we see movies taking in those years - what I really would like to see is Chris Cooper getting a chance to actually be the Green Goblin; that was such tantalizing casting that ended up w no real payoff
I mean Willem Dafoe is already some ear prosthetics, contacts, a chin extension and a can green body paint away from the Green Goblin. Just use a some good practical and a bit of cg to pretend hes pulling off a mask..
I don't think we will ever get a fully comic accurate suit in live action for any superheroes , studios think they are too good for them unfortunately 😢 i just wanna see a one to one exact copy of the ditko / romita era Spiderman suit!
Toby was also wearing a plastic mask under the Spidey mask, which also took away from the believability of a guy in a cloth mask. I agree that Norman's skin could have turned green when he was the Goblin as a side effect of the serum. But would anyone have figured out that it was Norman?
Hollywood and their, not comic accurate films make no sense. What fan would complain if they went comic accurate with superhero and villain costume designs?? Instead we constantly get these designs that look nothing like they do in the comic books.
To be fair, the mask worked out much better than this for the movie. It wouldn't make much sense for both Norman and his Goblin personality to coexist at the same time with the comic accurate look, plus the mask gave us a deeper look at Norman's psyche, with Norman "talking" with his Goblin personality through the mask.
Clearly I’m in the minority, but I have always loved the film helmet and think it’s incredibly badass and and cool looking, it’s contemporary, original, and fits within the world and what is established by the film. A few tweaks to the overall costume like what was done in no way home could have gone a long way to making it one of the better costumes of the 2000s in my opinion. Some comic costumes in my opinion are not ever going to translate well to film and the green goblin is one of them, the rubber mask Halloween look may have worked in the 60s and may look good in art but in live action it just doesn’t in my honest opinion. I think lately we are getting lost in the comic accuracy craze and I while I love a costume that honours the original comics, part of what made superhero films special to me is the challenge of making these wild characters and their crazy awesome costumes work in a “realistic” real world setting. Norman throwing on a animatronic rubber mask to go along with his military grade battle armour and glider just doesn’t really work in my opinion. It’s also something to remember that these films aren’t the comics, they are adaptations inspired by classic characters and I think that lends to a little creative freedom when translating them to different media. Maybe I’m biased but I just love the helmet and wish it got more recognition and love, and if anyone hasn’t seen it the comic version of the 2002 movie, the goblins costume looks fantastic when made into art and really makes me appreciate the whole look a lot more than just the helmet. Anyways great video, while I’m not a fan of it the animatronic mask is really interesting and I I’m curious how it would have looked in the finished film.
They payed a serious actor to wear a helmet instead of a mask... maybe we'll get a comic acurate hobgoblin instead of ned. Pretty sure ned goblin would be heart wrenching. Freakin love the guy in the chair!
I don’t get why people hate the helmet design It looks good plus for me it helps differentiate him amongst the other green goblins nothing has to be 100% comic book accurate heck the Spider-Man suit used in the film isn’t even 100% comic book accurate none of the life action Spider-Man’s are 100% accurate to the comic and that’s what differentiates them and gives them their own unique take on the character. 2002 green goblin is very similar to that aspect it doesn’t have to be 100% to be good because of the character himself still feels like green goblin unlike amazing Spider-Man 2’s green goblin now that was just horrible.
To be fair, in TASM2 it was Harry, not Norman. They were very different from eachother in the comics too. The original helmet was stupid; a cowl with an open lower face wouls have been the best compromise between comic accuracy and realism.
@@FuzzyFoot58 TASM2 electro was the main highlight for me in that movie yeah the design could’ve been better but I still liked his character no way home may have given him the best looking design but I do like the character arc more in TASM2
@perfectorganism2504 I agree that Electro was the highlight villain, but I didnt like how they shoved him aside after they put him in Ravencroft. Nor did I like his obsession with Spidey. They could have just made him a very lonely guy with anger issues about being mistreated at work instead of being a lonely dork. Also, where the hell did he get his suit? Apparently, they filmed several sidestories that were cut (like Mary Jane being fully introduced, played by the girl who was the lead in the Divergent movies, and Richard Parker being revealed to still be alive and working on... the Venom symbiote!) and the actors said that they barely recognised the final cut compared to what they had actually filmed.
@@FuzzyFoot58 yeah his motivation could’ve been done a bit better for me though it’s a better motivation than needing Spider-Man‘s blood Harry Osbourne is incredibly rich and yet he doesn’t think that he can afford all the best physicians and doctors also spider-Man/Peter Parker not helping seems very unlikely to me considering they’re supposed to be best friends. It’s very strange. That movie felt like a whole can of worms but at least it wasn’t the worst spider movie I think we all know what that title goes to Madame Webb
2:21 "they aimed for a more modern and realistic look"..... ummmm realistic how? I went into that movie with zero expectations because movies always screw up the source material. So I had low expectations..... I ended up enjoying the movie but it had 2 dramatic flaws....the silver webs on the Spiderman suit made it look like "Disco Spider-man" and the Goblin looked like a naked robot....a horrid choice. The movie would have held up much better had they went with the mask you show here but with the proper peak on his brow as without that it looks like "Receding Hairline Goblin"....but still would have been better than C3po's Angry Green Cousin.
So would that have been some kinda of expressive mask Osborne put on or would he werewolf into that face when he became the Goblin? IDK how it works in the comics. It was also kinda odd because Osborne's power came from a gas so the suit was just armor to protect from handguns. But I think people would have been fine with the alternative mask, because a lot of the Spider-Man audience were TMNT live action kids.
A few tweaks to that original design would have been amazing. What we ended up getting was better than if they had gone a CGI route at the time. People forget that the first Spider-Man movie was almost completely reimagined and severely delayed due to 9/11. Many of the original elements were scrapped and production shifted gears to efficiency. Anything that decreased efficiency that could be scraped, without significant impact on the end product, had to go.
Studios need to stop w/ the realistic bs. There comic movies it's meant to be over the top and it can still be grounded,we could of also has a comic accurate apocalypse too in xmen but for what ever reason they wanted and Ivan ooze distant cousin look to him which was terrible just like the goblin mask that was the final design
I’ve always said I didn’t think it would’ve gone over, with mainstream & casual fans. It’d have been seen as “too cheesy” & “silly” in a “way too fake” kind of way. I mean, this was the early-2000s & comic book movies still hadn’t got overall, with widespread audiences. People nowadays forget that, or just don’t realize it…or, in other words, They weren’t even around for it, or at least not old enough to know what was going on in the world. 2:42 I just reached this part & seeing you mention this a bit. But, until this very movie & X-Men, outside of the Superman movies, they just weren’t accepted like they are now. Just a few reasons, all out together, is why it wouldn’t have worked.
Yeah I agree! It was a different time and we've had to slowly break the mainstream down to be more open. Hopefully it'll be something they look at in the future movies 🙏
@ I will agree, that NOW..? I think people would go for it, AND the technology is there, to make it work. It may have to be “shifted” or tweaked a tiny bit, & not be 100% comic accurate. But, like 95-98% true to the source material. I mean…we have had mainstream audiences accept things like STARRO & freaking MODOK (sort of, on the latter. Lol!)! Point is just that the last 25 years had thrown some pretty “Comic Funky” things, at audiences; & they’ve accepted it fully. It does seem movies have been getting closer & closer to full comic accurate. Marvel just figured it out, by dampening, darkening, & muting the bright-ass colors. That is the biggest problem, with it transferring to realism. Then, DC starts taking it back to comic vibrancy (literally), with The Suicide Squad. Lol! I guess I keep pointing to that second Suicide Sqaud, as an example of “comic accurate”. I mean, I’ve always thought Peacemaker looks cheesy & as ridiculous as all get-out. Lol! But, look at where they’re taken THAT character. I’ll put it this way, with modern makeup & CGI combination - if I can watch a 2.5-movie movie AND an 8-episode show of Colin Ferrell playing The PENGUIN…and the entire time keep forgetting it’s Colin himself bc of the ridiculously good makeup, costume, & effects..? Then, we know we’ve mace it to “that point”. That make sense? Lol!
@@longboxcomics I mean…. I’m about to turn 43, in just over a month. So, I have been here for the nature ride. I was already in COLLEGE, for the first Spider-Man & X-Men movies. So, my entire uprooting, the Chris Reeves Superman movies, the 4 Batman movies, & the terrible-looking Captain America & Spider-Man movies from the 70s & 80s were IT! Lol! The original The Flash show, from the early-90s, my Dad & I loved. We thought it helped move things along, as well. And let’s be real..:Batman is so popular today because even I was just onscreen ‘89 Batman REALLY changed the game. That is THE movie you could point to & say “THERE! THAT did it!!” It also showed that a comic movie could be dark & gritty, with SOME realism. Even the fact that in the eyes of Mainstream, ALL they knew was the 6d Adam West show. So, the ‘89 Batman was a HUGE step forward…just in changing people’s perception of Batman HIMSELF, let alone comics as a WHOLE! Lol! Man, I could talk about this for HOURS, on the progression of comic books adapted into film - both TV & movies.
Now was that supposed to be a mask in-universe or was it supposed to be his own transformed face? If the former, you'd have a time explaining where it came from and why. If the latter, it flags up the change between Norman and the Goblin, which I think would've changed his performance. For example, in NWH, the Goblin wouldn't have been able to fool Peter after he suddenly turned green and sprouted pointy ears.
This is actually the first time I’ve seen a congregation of haters of the 2000’s Green Goblin’s design. I have always gotten the vibe from people that it was a very different and bold design choice that everybody ended up loving.
I preferred what we got. It was unique and made him more terrifying. His face has no expression, so you can't get a sense of humanity/life from it. Just because something is comic accurate doesn't mean it's better.
I didn't like the Goblin suit back then and I don't like it nowadays. I was always wondering why they chose such a bad mask for this iconic character. Would have loved seeing the mask from screen testing in the final movie ❤
Maybe the mcu could reuse the design for Hobgoblin in a future movie. That would be cool! They just would need to change the color to the Hobgoblin's color scheme.
hopefully the answer to the accuracy question of the green goblin will be revealed in the sequel of spider-man 3 game by insomniac games. stay tuned! true believers! excelsior!
This one would have been better instead of that power rangers suit but with William dafoe's acting skills and facial features it wouldn't have taken much to really make him look like the Green goblin but they didn't & they blew the chance in Spider-Man no way home
I like comic book accurate but comic book accurate is usually bright and suspends belief just a bit. Nolans Batman was great but no way with his directoral style and need for gritty realism he could do comic book accurate Batman, Joker and Bane. You would need a Director who can do dynamic and dramatic light and shadow with bright pastels, similar to The late Jonathan Demme to pull off comic book accurate, Maybe Spike Lee, Steven Soderbergh or Oliver Stone kind of guys.
Says a lot about Defoe as a actor in the last movie all he needed was some lighting with a green tint I would love to see the miles morales goblin in live action one day
It’s ironic that they used Willem Dafoe who she natural features are naturally ghoulish and goblin like. Woulda been nice if they coulda did something with them, enhancing them or altering them somehow to indicate some kind of transformation
i think power ranger goblin looks just fine, and is over hated. also many children wouldve been turned-off and terrified by the realistic goblin face. complaining that the armor isn’t comic accurate is also dumb, it’s like saying that norman in the movie isn’t accurate since he doesn’t have the waves haircut
I honestly think Fox thought it would be too frightening for kids at the time, it’s kinda scary for me now!!! Shits gonna be in my nightmares lol. I feel like they opted for the “power rangers” suit as a better alternative of scary and cool. Rather than terrifying and kinda gross.
I'm so glad they didn't use this other mask. I don't think it would have been more expressive, but less. Which perhaps Dafoe felt as well. The use of masks is a technique actors learn and has been part of their repertoire for thousands of years. It changes the way an actor moves, turns their head, uses their voice- all things Dafoe understands and used. With an essentially animatronic mask, which would have been fine I suppose, you could have used any actor since it's the puppeteers who then do all the acting. Certainly you might have been less likely to get an actor of such high calibre interested in playing the character, though, and that would mean we wouldn't have had him for No Way Home. But also, the use of masks is itself a theme in the story and draws on a huge background of history and meaning. Without it the Green Goblin in the film is just a creepy monster. Not that I have anything against creepy monsters in movies, but that's all they are. A quick thrill for the hero to vanquish. Fun but limited.
@@KenMasters. I've seen Alex Ross' green Goblin and while it's comicbook cool, it doesn't translate to live action. I'm just saying, dropping that outfit in out of nowhere makes little sense. A reason would need to be contrived for his appearance as a goblin, like for example, some backstory about little Harry coming into his parents room to sleep with them because he was frightened of the goblin in his closet and a contemptuous Norman forcing him to go back and look. Maybe Norman even has an old custom Halloween outfit made that was supposed to help the boy confront his fear but his wife absolutely refused to let him do it so now it hangs in the back of his own closet... until...the Goblin rises out of Norman's own dreams, retrieves his outfit and kitbashes it together with the glider outfit to become his own son's nightmare come to life.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction I mean Alex Ross actually made costume designs for the 2002 film. But got rejected, they actually look better than the final designs. There is even an "Alex Ross Mode" in Spider-Man: The Game (2002).
I think it would have to lie somewhere in the middle. The mask kind of hides the actor’s performance. Maybe make the top animatronic but a little more armored. Keep his mouth so he can see him talking so it can connect to the audience. It’s an argument between cumbersome and functional. The mask looks awesome but actors usually want to be seen in their movies. It would be up to Defoe but if it was uncomfortable then you could find some middle ground somewhere.
1:18 I liked the Rhino mec, but yah, that’s not how you do an adaptation. Comic accurate Rhino looks stupid because that’s part of the story. He’s a sad guy stuck in a suit.
The armor looked cheap and silly and almost ruined the whole movie for me. I hope, one day we'll get a fan cut in which the armor is replaced by the Goblin suit in every scene.
What you're talking about in the video here is called fan service, and believe it or not it's looked down upon by both critics and filmmakers alike. Why in the hell do they look down on paying homage to the fan?
They could have just painted Dafoe’s face green and gave him some pointy ears, yellow eyes and a nose prosthetic. He’s 90% goblin already.
What a compliment!😅
100%
The "no way home" goblin is by far the best IMHO
I agree. I love him as an actor and when I heard he got the part I was thinking that you couldn’t possibly have a better casting. He’s literally perfect.
Yup!
Just straight up paint his face green😂😂 Awesome.
because you don't need an accurate suit when you have the powerhouse facial acting of willem dafoe
The green goblin costume for the film genuinely looked like a power rangers villan.
Shouldve just been his face with Prosthetics
He’s strong and crazy
Goblin rags and a thrown together “mask” would’ve worked better
The organic mask and the suit would be perfect.
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Since the movie was first released, I never liked the look of the Green Goblin in the movie, I had no idea we could have had something looking so epic
As sad as the green goblin scenario, the lack of Wolverine masks in the movies(until recently) always struck me as insane
no comparison. wolverine's only worn a mask for half his publication history (because he doesn't really need one).
I never liked the helmet, the more organic mask could have been amazing. Maybe someday...
Here's hoping! 🙏
imagine William Dafoe returns one more time with this version 😁
@@IcyPirate. they had the chance back in No Way Home. If they weren’t going to it then, chances are they will never do it.
SAME ! It was such a dumb decision to do away with the organic mask which looked significantly better and much more comic book accurate than the metal helmet that we ended up getting in the final film !
WTF 🙄🤦😒 !?!?!?
Right but whats he going to do. Spend 4 hours doing make up before villainy? Lol
Today, the accurate would be better. 23 years ago, it was the right choice. I would like to see it repurposed for a goblin in another movie.
@@weaselton agreed! They'd also have to get the casting of Norman Osborne correct 🙈
That looks SOOO much better than the goofy helmet we got.
The problem is there isn't a real world application they can use with it, like the version in the movie is for military uses, that being said I'd prefer the original design
Nah dude that helmet looks sick I always thought it looked pretty cool and scary especially when I first saw the movie. The way the eyes folded back seemed like a cool way to do the expression. And the way it connects to how Norman was obsessed with masks especially Japanese Shinobi masks making Norman wanna make his own version makes the look and origin that much better in my opinion. My only problem with it and the rest of the original suit was that it just looked kinda...naked. Some purple or extra gadgets or even just a belt would've really brought the look together which is what the no way home design fixed perfectly. Just wish the helmet came back.
No it didn’t
@theotherbk1819 I agree! I want my own green goblin suit from 2002 spiderman. But I want a real one that can go to battle.
@@theotherbk1819I wish he had the green goblin helmet in no way home. That was disappointing 😞
As cool as it would have been, they made the right choice for the time. Also, the helmet made it easier for the Norman Osborne character to exist simultaneously with the goblin. Made the switching between the 2 less clunky. I hated the weird makeup look in the Andy Garfield movies BTW.
They could have had more fun with it. I'm thinking of a helmet like cowl, like Batman, might have worked with his mouth completely exposed but wearing eye lenses so you can see his expression. It could have originally been a full face mask/shield but Norman could have been shown modifying it and ripping off the mouth guard or better yet Spidey smashing the mouth guard in their first conflict and little by little Norman's face is exposed as with each fight his helmet is chipped away until the big reveal at the very end of the movie.
This would have been so EPIC. They for some reason just refuse to make a comic accurate Green Goblin-it's iconic.
I prefer the comic book accurate one. I wonder if they were considering this mask when they wrote Aunt May's line about "those horrible yellow eyes"
@@daveassanowicz186 that's a great shout!
A lot of people complained about the Penguin in Batman Returns being so scary for children. They used an old mold for the first action figure. Sony, of course, didn't want to lose money with licensing deals or angry parents. 😊
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They should have just put some green make up fx on willam dafoe made it a side effect of the formula Tbh green goblin is a difficult villain to pull off in live action
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I wish we could have gotten this along with Snake face Voldemort and the creatures from Ripley Scott’s I am Legend
Thought it was because the Sony film version is a suit designed for the military rather than specifically a Goblin costume?
I believe that nowadays, a comic accurate Green Goblin design with prosthetics is possible. Take Art The Clown for example. That is some great prosthetics at work there and I know for sure Willem Dafoe's gonna kill it if he was ever given a chance to do that.
Nah dude that helmet looks sick I always thought it looked pretty cool and scary especially when I first saw the movie. The way the eyes folded back seemed like a cool way to do the expression. And the way it connects to how Norman was obsessed with masks especially Japanese Shinobi masks making Norman wanna make his own version makes the look and origin that much better in my opinion. My only problem with it and the rest of the original suit was that it just looked kinda...naked. Some purple or extra gadgets or even just a belt would've really brought the look together which is what the no way home design fixed perfectly. Just wish the helmet came back.
And Willem Defoe was the most Perfect casting but that CLUNKY helmet totally undermined the possible Menace and was SUCH a letdown
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I never understood the Goblin costume. But when those animatronic mask tests were put on UA-cam DECADES later, man..what a missed opportunity. Mind you, I always wonder what James Cameron’s movie would have been like. Btw, they also scrapped the mechanical web shooters very late into production, and they may have even filmed a section with them. Don’t quote me on that though. I’m still of the opinion that it should have been mechanical. But I haven’t read the comics since the 1980s.. so what do I know 😂
I understand why they made that choice at that time - they were trying to find the right balance for a superhero movie to take off into the mainstream, and there are a number of different approaches we see movies taking in those years - what I really would like to see is Chris Cooper getting a chance to actually be the Green Goblin; that was such tantalizing casting that ended up w no real payoff
I mean Willem Dafoe is already some ear prosthetics, contacts, a chin extension and a can green body paint away from the Green Goblin. Just use a some good practical and a bit of cg to pretend hes pulling off a mask..
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They should of done it like the comics where it’s not so obvious he’s the goblin
I don't think we will ever get a fully comic accurate suit in live action for any superheroes , studios think they are too good for them unfortunately 😢 i just wanna see a one to one exact copy of the ditko / romita era Spiderman suit!
Willem Dafoe played a phenomenal Norman/Goblin, but i always thought his all-green armor and aerodynamic bike helmet looked ridicuous.
Toby was also wearing a plastic mask under the Spidey mask, which also took away from the believability of a guy in a cloth mask. I agree that Norman's skin could have turned green when he was the Goblin as a side effect of the serum. But would anyone have figured out that it was Norman?
Hollywood and their, not comic accurate films make no sense. What fan would complain if they went comic accurate with superhero and villain costume designs?? Instead we constantly get these designs that look nothing like they do in the comic books.
To be fair, the mask worked out much better than this for the movie. It wouldn't make much sense for both Norman and his Goblin personality to coexist at the same time with the comic accurate look, plus the mask gave us a deeper look at Norman's psyche, with Norman "talking" with his Goblin personality through the mask.
I actually liked the metal mask , organic one is nice but the metal one worked for me
Clearly I’m in the minority, but I have always loved the film helmet and think it’s incredibly badass and and cool looking, it’s contemporary, original, and fits within the world and what is established by the film. A few tweaks to the overall costume like what was done in no way home could have gone a long way to making it one of the better costumes of the 2000s in my opinion. Some comic costumes in my opinion are not ever going to translate well to film and the green goblin is one of them, the rubber mask Halloween look may have worked in the 60s and may look good in art but in live action it just doesn’t in my honest opinion. I think lately we are getting lost in the comic accuracy craze and I while I love a costume that honours the original comics, part of what made superhero films special to me is the challenge of making these wild characters and their crazy awesome costumes work in a “realistic” real world setting. Norman throwing on a animatronic rubber mask to go along with his military grade battle armour and glider just doesn’t really work in my opinion. It’s also something to remember that these films aren’t the comics, they are adaptations inspired by classic characters and I think that lends to a little creative freedom when translating them to different media. Maybe I’m biased but I just love the helmet and wish it got more recognition and love, and if anyone hasn’t seen it the comic version of the 2002 movie, the goblins costume looks fantastic when made into art and really makes me appreciate the whole look a lot more than just the helmet. Anyways great video, while I’m not a fan of it the animatronic mask is really interesting and I I’m curious how it would have looked in the finished film.
Willem, not William.
This is WAY better than the helmet.
They payed a serious actor to wear a helmet instead of a mask... maybe we'll get a comic acurate hobgoblin instead of ned. Pretty sure ned goblin would be heart wrenching. Freakin love the guy in the chair!
The helmet looks awesome 😎
I don’t get why people hate the helmet design It looks good plus for me it helps differentiate him amongst the other green goblins nothing has to be 100% comic book accurate heck the Spider-Man suit used in the film isn’t even 100% comic book accurate none of the life action Spider-Man’s are 100% accurate to the comic and that’s what differentiates them and gives them their own unique take on the character. 2002 green goblin is very similar to that aspect it doesn’t have to be 100% to be good because of the character himself still feels like green goblin unlike amazing Spider-Man 2’s green goblin now that was just horrible.
To be fair, in TASM2 it was Harry, not Norman. They were very different from eachother in the comics too.
The original helmet was stupid; a cowl with an open lower face wouls have been the best compromise between comic accuracy and realism.
@@FuzzyFoot58 TASM2 electro was the main highlight for me in that movie yeah the design could’ve been better but I still liked his character no way home may have given him the best looking design but I do like the character arc more in TASM2
@perfectorganism2504 I agree that Electro was the highlight villain, but I didnt like how they shoved him aside after they put him in Ravencroft. Nor did I like his obsession with Spidey. They could have just made him a very lonely guy with anger issues about being mistreated at work instead of being a lonely dork.
Also, where the hell did he get his suit? Apparently, they filmed several sidestories that were cut (like Mary Jane being fully introduced, played by the girl who was the lead in the Divergent movies, and Richard Parker being revealed to still be alive and working on... the Venom symbiote!) and the actors said that they barely recognised the final cut compared to what they had actually filmed.
@@FuzzyFoot58 yeah his motivation could’ve been done a bit better for me though it’s a better motivation than needing Spider-Man‘s blood Harry Osbourne is incredibly rich and yet he doesn’t think that he can afford all the best physicians and doctors also spider-Man/Peter Parker not helping seems very unlikely to me considering they’re supposed to be best friends. It’s very strange. That movie felt like a whole can of worms but at least it wasn’t the worst spider movie I think we all know what that title goes to Madame Webb
@perfectorganism2504 Most definately true. That movie was horrible.
2:21 "they aimed for a more modern and realistic look"..... ummmm realistic how? I went into that movie with zero expectations because movies always screw up the source material. So I had low expectations..... I ended up enjoying the movie but it had 2 dramatic flaws....the silver webs on the Spiderman suit made it look like "Disco Spider-man" and the Goblin looked like a naked robot....a horrid choice. The movie would have held up much better had they went with the mask you show here but with the proper peak on his brow as without that it looks like "Receding Hairline Goblin"....but still would have been better than C3po's Angry Green Cousin.
So would that have been some kinda of expressive mask Osborne put on or would he werewolf into that face when he became the Goblin? IDK how it works in the comics. It was also kinda odd because Osborne's power came from a gas so the suit was just armor to protect from handguns. But I think people would have been fine with the alternative mask, because a lot of the Spider-Man audience were TMNT live action kids.
A few tweaks to that original design would have been amazing. What we ended up getting was better than if they had gone a CGI route at the time. People forget that the first Spider-Man movie was almost completely reimagined and severely delayed due to 9/11. Many of the original elements were scrapped and production shifted gears to efficiency. Anything that decreased efficiency that could be scraped, without significant impact on the end product, had to go.
I wouldn’t trust Sony with anything but I definitely prefer the unused design
Studios need to stop w/ the realistic bs. There comic movies it's meant to be over the top and it can still be grounded,we could of also has a comic accurate apocalypse too in xmen but for what ever reason they wanted and Ivan ooze distant cousin look to him which was terrible just like the goblin mask that was the final design
I’ve always said I didn’t think it would’ve gone over, with mainstream & casual fans. It’d have been seen as “too cheesy” & “silly” in a “way too fake” kind of way.
I mean, this was the early-2000s & comic book movies still hadn’t got overall, with widespread audiences. People nowadays forget that, or just don’t realize it…or, in other words, They weren’t even around for it, or at least not old enough to know what was going on in the world.
2:42 I just reached this part & seeing you mention this a bit.
But, until this very movie & X-Men, outside of the Superman movies, they just weren’t accepted like they are now.
Just a few reasons, all out together, is why it wouldn’t have worked.
Yeah I agree! It was a different time and we've had to slowly break the mainstream down to be more open. Hopefully it'll be something they look at in the future movies 🙏
@ I will agree, that NOW..? I think people would go for it, AND the technology is there, to make it work. It may have to be “shifted” or tweaked a tiny bit, & not be 100% comic accurate. But, like 95-98% true to the source material.
I mean…we have had mainstream audiences accept things like STARRO & freaking MODOK (sort of, on the latter. Lol!)! Point is just that the last 25 years had thrown some pretty “Comic Funky” things, at audiences; & they’ve accepted it fully. It does seem movies have been getting closer & closer to full comic accurate.
Marvel just figured it out, by dampening, darkening, & muting the bright-ass colors. That is the biggest problem, with it transferring to realism. Then, DC starts taking it back to comic vibrancy (literally), with The Suicide Squad. Lol! I guess I keep pointing to that second Suicide Sqaud, as an example of “comic accurate”. I mean, I’ve always thought Peacemaker looks cheesy & as ridiculous as all get-out. Lol! But, look at where they’re taken THAT character.
I’ll put it this way, with modern makeup & CGI combination - if I can watch a 2.5-movie movie AND an 8-episode show of Colin Ferrell playing The PENGUIN…and the entire time keep forgetting it’s Colin himself bc of the ridiculously good makeup, costume, & effects..? Then, we know we’ve mace it to “that point”. That make sense? Lol!
@@longboxcomics I mean…. I’m about to turn 43, in just over a month. So, I have been here for the nature ride. I was already in COLLEGE, for the first Spider-Man & X-Men movies. So, my entire uprooting, the Chris Reeves Superman movies, the 4 Batman movies, & the terrible-looking Captain America & Spider-Man movies from the 70s & 80s were IT! Lol! The original The Flash show, from the early-90s, my Dad & I loved. We thought it helped move things along, as well.
And let’s be real..:Batman is so popular today because even I was just onscreen ‘89 Batman REALLY changed the game. That is THE movie you could point to & say “THERE! THAT did it!!” It also showed that a comic movie could be dark & gritty, with SOME realism. Even the fact that in the eyes of Mainstream,
ALL they knew was the 6d Adam West show. So, the ‘89 Batman was a HUGE step forward…just in changing people’s perception of Batman HIMSELF, let alone comics as a WHOLE! Lol!
Man, I could talk about this for HOURS, on the progression of comic books adapted into film - both TV & movies.
This would have made "Spider-Man" from classic to ultra classic.
I think the mask we got was better
@@sjhwbs Yes, if you like the Power Rangers. ~🙄
There is just no pleasing total nerds is there
Now was that supposed to be a mask in-universe or was it supposed to be his own transformed face? If the former, you'd have a time explaining where it came from and why. If the latter, it flags up the change between Norman and the Goblin, which I think would've changed his performance. For example, in NWH, the Goblin wouldn't have been able to fool Peter after he suddenly turned green and sprouted pointy ears.
They should've went with the Alex Ross versions of the costumes.
Agreed! The master himself.
This is actually the first time I’ve seen a congregation of haters of the 2000’s Green Goblin’s design. I have always gotten the vibe from people that it was a very different and bold design choice that everybody ended up loving.
He ended up looking like a cheap Power Rangers villain.
I preferred what we got. It was unique and made him more terrifying. His face has no expression, so you can't get a sense of humanity/life from it. Just because something is comic accurate doesn't mean it's better.
Realisim in a comic book villain. Please. 🙄
We've got older tom holland talking about the green goblin
Theres no technically involved, u are right ab rhino. 💯, its a mutation, not a suit, youre not TECHNICALLY correct, youre just correct
I didn't like the Goblin suit back then and I don't like it nowadays. I was always wondering why they chose such a bad mask for this iconic character. Would have loved seeing the mask from screen testing in the final movie ❤
Maybe the mcu could reuse the design for Hobgoblin in a future movie. That would be cool! They just would need to change the color to the Hobgoblin's color scheme.
Looks amazing, but people back then might not have accepted it as well.
Wait there's a Lore Reason?
I wonder if we will ever get this Goblin. I guess the answer is no
Was probably scrapped for being to creepy
Facts😂😂😂😂 defoe is already creepy before the suit...they still had to sell the movie to kids
hopefully the answer to the accuracy question of the green goblin will be revealed in the sequel of spider-man 3 game by insomniac games. stay tuned! true believers! excelsior!
This one would have been better instead of that power rangers suit but with William dafoe's acting skills and facial features it wouldn't have taken much to really make him look like the Green goblin but they didn't & they blew the chance in Spider-Man no way home
Spiderverse Goblin doesn't count, it's Ultimate Green Goblin
Organic mask would of been absolutely amazing
I like comic book accurate but comic book accurate is usually bright and suspends belief just a bit. Nolans Batman was great but no way with his directoral style and need for gritty realism he could do comic book accurate Batman, Joker and Bane. You would need a Director who can do dynamic and dramatic light and shadow with bright pastels, similar to The late Jonathan Demme to pull off comic book accurate, Maybe Spike Lee, Steven Soderbergh or Oliver Stone kind of guys.
Like the TNT title in the background. Love some AEW
Thank you! I brought it for my youngest who is a huge Darby Allin fan :).
@longboxcomics nice!
I wonder, what the hobgoblin would've looked like in comic accuracy for live action film. Would he be too scary looking for the kids to watch?
Says a lot about Defoe as a actor in the last movie all he needed was some lighting with a green tint I would love to see the miles morales goblin in live action one day
Too Evil Dead…which is what we needed
It’s ironic that they used Willem Dafoe who she natural features are naturally ghoulish and goblin like. Woulda been nice if they coulda did something with them, enhancing them or altering them somehow to indicate some kind of transformation
i think power ranger goblin looks just fine, and is over hated. also many children wouldve been turned-off and terrified by the realistic goblin face. complaining that the armor isn’t comic accurate is also dumb, it’s like saying that norman in the movie isn’t accurate since he doesn’t have the waves haircut
I honestly think Fox thought it would be too frightening for kids at the time, it’s kinda scary for me now!!! Shits gonna be in my nightmares lol. I feel like they opted for the “power rangers” suit as a better alternative of scary and cool. Rather than terrifying and kinda gross.
That's a really good shout!
I'm so glad they didn't use this other mask. I don't think it would have been more expressive, but less. Which perhaps Dafoe felt as well. The use of masks is a technique actors learn and has been part of their repertoire for thousands of years. It changes the way an actor moves, turns their head, uses their voice- all things Dafoe understands and used. With an essentially animatronic mask, which would have been fine I suppose, you could have used any actor since it's the puppeteers who then do all the acting. Certainly you might have been less likely to get an actor of such high calibre interested in playing the character, though, and that would mean we wouldn't have had him for No Way Home.
But also, the use of masks is itself a theme in the story and draws on a huge background of history and meaning. Without it the Green Goblin in the film is just a creepy monster. Not that I have anything against creepy monsters in movies, but that's all they are. A quick thrill for the hero to vanquish. Fun but limited.
They should have just painted his face green and gave him yellow goggles and a purple hat
Big fan of the comic Green Goblin, I hated the film version
You don't have to ask, we all want the comic accuracy all the time. But they keep insisting on their silly ideas.
Well under the guidance of the MCU we’ll more than likely see a more comic accurate version.
The mask was better than the armor
Because a comicbook accurate Green Goblin would look stupid, let's face it.
Not at all.
Both Alex Ross and Humberto Ramos had better art concepts for a realistic Halloween-ish Green Goblin.
You should check them out.
@@KenMasters.Alex Ross art while beautiful, is not a reliable indication of how well something would translate to film
@@KenMasters. I've seen Alex Ross' green Goblin and while it's comicbook cool, it doesn't translate to live action. I'm just saying, dropping that outfit in out of nowhere makes little sense. A reason would need to be contrived for his appearance as a goblin, like for example, some backstory about little Harry coming into his parents room to sleep with them because he was frightened of the goblin in his closet and a contemptuous Norman forcing him to go back and look. Maybe Norman even has an old custom Halloween outfit made that was supposed to help the boy confront his fear but his wife absolutely refused to let him do it so now it hangs in the back of his own closet... until...the Goblin rises out of Norman's own dreams, retrieves his outfit and kitbashes it together with the glider outfit to become his own son's nightmare come to life.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction
I mean Alex Ross actually made costume designs for the 2002 film.
But got rejected, they actually look better than the final designs.
There is even an "Alex Ross Mode" in Spider-Man: The Game (2002).
I think it would have to lie somewhere in the middle. The mask kind of hides the actor’s performance. Maybe make the top animatronic but a little more armored. Keep his mouth so he can see him talking so it can connect to the audience. It’s an argument between cumbersome and functional. The mask looks awesome but actors usually want to be seen in their movies. It would be up to Defoe but if it was uncomfortable then you could find some middle ground somewhere.
Uh... you do know, even in the comic, the Goblin wasn't an actual goblin.
1:18 I liked the Rhino mec, but yah, that’s not how you do an adaptation. Comic accurate Rhino looks stupid because that’s part of the story. He’s a sad guy stuck in a suit.
Could’ve used a mix of latex and more makeup?
Yep way better than the power rangers outfit they gave us
Dafoe will always be the green goblin
Too scary? Are You Afraid of the Dark came out years before and had no chill at all on Nickelodeon
The armor looked cheap and silly and almost ruined the whole movie for me. I hope, one day we'll get a fan cut in which the armor is replaced by the Goblin suit in every scene.
What you're talking about in the video here is called fan service, and believe it or not it's looked down upon by both critics and filmmakers alike. Why in the hell do they look down on paying homage to the fan?
I'm probably the few in the minority that liked the version we got
It looks like something from Star Trek
Yes it would been perfect it would been nice to see but of course Sony butchering a nother character
Green goblin needs to take a punch by spiderman that's why its metal lol
The problem is for the casual viewer it just looks weird, not cool or scary just weird looking
For fear it would scare children
Good. Make him exactly as freaky as a Burtonverse Batman villain.
Go here, 1:52 You're welcome.
The one they used in the movie looked stupid. They should've used that more comic accurate one.
Comic accurate would have been better.