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  • @johnhaithcock1919
    @johnhaithcock1919 3 місяці тому +7

    You are spot on with your plumbing comments especially on the water heater. Mine popped off 11:00 pm and it sounded like a shot. Of course that was followed by the worst RV sound of all: running water. It was the hot water line and pumped a bunch of steaming hot water behind the wall in the basement. It was like a steam bath in there. Thanks for your report.

  • @charlesklaus6290
    @charlesklaus6290 3 місяці тому +11

    Thanks for another informative review Jacob! At the price point of Ember RVs, this is a Very disappointing result. With all the hype about Ember, I would expect much higher quality. Hopefully the Ember people will see this and improve as some other manufacturers have. Love your grading app and tool free maintenance course! Keep up the good work!

  • @linkfloyd4908
    @linkfloyd4908 3 місяці тому +12

    Disappointed by this result but not surprised. Please review Jayco and Imagine travel trailers. Thanks!!

    • @Killbot754
      @Killbot754 3 місяці тому +1

      Have a Jayco and had a plethora of issues up until the warranty expiring. Siding, plumbing, trim, trailer brake wiring. If you can find a dealer that has a good service department it’s bearable. 2 year warranty makes up for it a little bit over other brands.

  • @stevebridges9033
    @stevebridges9033 11 днів тому

    I appreciate your review, I was an RV tech but that was back in the 80’s and I have lost a step or two since then. I was looking at a 2023 Ember that is a new never been sold unit last weekend, I had seen the Ember RV reviews from the people who “ Give you the good, the bad, & the ugly” yeah riiiiiiiiggghht. I had interest in the Ember the first time I saw one on the internet and these folks who do not look under the skin were giving these reviews like the Ember was better than the second coming of Christ will be. These 2023 models were heavily discounted but when I looked at them and the doors on both ends were being held closed by the folding grab handles for the outside stairs, not just on one but all three that they had in stock I was shocked. Then some of the things you pointed out about the fit and finish of trim were prevalent in all three of the coaches. I am trying to get back into an RV, something 1/2 ton towable for the state parks around Texas that is budget friendly, these even heavily discounted would be disaster. You just reinforced my thoughts even my wife who is not as observant of the fit and finish things, she wants a camper worse than I do and I would sell both of my older brothers twice over to get back in an RV, and my brothers and I are close and have always had fun together. Thank you for the honest and no holds barred review, it is greatly appreciated by an ex-RV tech from the 80’s. May God’s blessings for you to numerous to count!!

    • @stevebridges9033
      @stevebridges9033 11 днів тому

      That should be May God’s blessings for you BE too numerous to count

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  10 днів тому

      Great points. Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!

  • @jimmoore4438
    @jimmoore4438 3 місяці тому +6

    Would love to see an Ember Overland model.

  • @dandoyle1347
    @dandoyle1347 3 місяці тому +18

    Accurate report - unfortunately. I would never buy an rv with a membrane roof. I own an Ember 191msl. The structure of fiberglass foam cored walls and floor are the reason I bought this unit. Mine has a thick fiberglass roof you can walk on. No complaints about the structure. The countertops are the same thermoplastic - pretty, but longterm problematic; should be made of solid synthetic - mdf is junk. Lots of little issues (and my Truma ac lost its gas (no Schrader port to fill), but overall the overland series is good. The axle "stalks" on your review trailer are Scarry. The biggest problem Ember faces is the Elkhart Indiana mind set. A long term use of the cheapest systems available. It would be easy to use proper systems and quality parts for very little extra build price. So many reports of subsystem failures should be a red flag to source better parts and subsystems. And the water system plumbing on all brands is junk. If someone in Indiana would look at the "saltwater " marine boat (yacht level quality) build components the industry as a whole would produce a travel trailer that is not "junk" quality" start by hot dip galvanizing the frame (or go HEAVY aluminum. Run the wiring neatly and use non pex plumbing. The RV industry has a long way to go. A few brands are stepping up. Shoddy construction has to be called out - the problem is the companies need to react to the ongoing complaints about specific items and fix the once and formally. When a trailer goes out the door it needs to be perfect, not sent away with known defective parts.

    • @KeithShaffer70
      @KeithShaffer70 3 місяці тому +2

      Fantastic reply and I echo it completely on my Overland. Despite the mass produced mindset and some nagging issues, I do agree with the positives you mentioned. The Overland is so different from their lower priced models it's not fair to throw their whole lineup under a single umbrella. The interior shares the same annoyances, but the roof construction, HVAC systems and technology are what I paid for and are pretty great.

  • @9002-bv9xz
    @9002-bv9xz 3 місяці тому +9

    I bought a Rockwood Signature, brand new custom order. The issues began immediately. On the closet slide out (Schwintek)…the fiberglass of the front facing sidewall of the slide box spider cracked. Had the wall section replaced, and a year later it cracked again on the new fiberglass wall. The walls are only an inch thick and and do not have sufficient bracing/studs; also doesn’t help that Rockwood followed none of the Lippert installation requirements for the Schwintek system (rollers and wall backing/reinforcement). Rockwood will do NOTHING about it. I’ve also had a bent axle from the factory (Dexter replaced it), a wheel randomly fall off on the road, roof material incorrectly installed and bubbling up on the slide outs, I had to completely re-plumb the rig with pex and proper fittings because of leaks, ceiling panels were falling down because they weren’t glue laminated properly at the factory (so Rockwood stapled it up, but the staples only go into foam because the roof is made like a luan board foam sandwich, and the list continues to grow. It’s a complete piece of junk and the manufacturer does NOT stand behind their product. All of the Indiana produced RV’s a complete junk!! Avoid at all costs!

  • @NickLevine-e4s
    @NickLevine-e4s 3 місяці тому +2

    Great review, thanks for the insight. We walked into an Ember and noticed finishing issues as well, which concerned me regarding what you can’t see, this was very helpful. Would be great to see you review an inTech Aucta/OVR.

  • @tonylips
    @tonylips 3 місяці тому +6

    Am interested in the Intech Navigator. Have you ever reviewed an Intech RV? Keep the great videos coming 🤙

    • @rorycompton8138
      @rorycompton8138 24 дні тому

      Also interested in Intech and ATC. Would love a review. Also curious which RV he thinks is the best built.

  • @displacedtexan
    @displacedtexan 3 місяці тому +4

    If you find an Overland Series, I’d love to see a review of those. It’ll probably have some of the same issues but some differences.

  • @subiesojourner777
    @subiesojourner777 3 місяці тому +4

    After watching some of Liz Amazing videos, I'm not sure I'll ever buy another camper.

  • @bryanbarton404
    @bryanbarton404 3 місяці тому +1

    Your videos really add a unique value to the RV community that is otherwise not available to the public. Thanks!
    If possible, it would be great to watch a review of the East to West Alta Xtreme trailers. East to West seems to market them as good for full-time and harsh conditions, and it would be great to know if that's true or not.

  • @Sepicu
    @Sepicu 3 місяці тому +5

    Jacob long time follower, yet another great video. Please keep up the work and thank you.

  • @barbaradowney4207
    @barbaradowney4207 3 місяці тому +3

    We were very interested whey they first came out and joined a FB group with wannabes and owners...after a month or two and numerous owner complaints of leaks and other problems the site was very suddenly shut down...that really disappointed me as a wannabe as I wanted to see if and how the issues were taken going to be taken care of...so it was a hard no for me...though we were looking at the original Ember with the independent suspension...so many were caught up in the "hype" and just assumed they were awesome...after several years of research we are thinking either a Brinkley or an Outdoors RV...they are an apple and an orange but we are thinking they are some of the best built, least problematic RVs being built today...Thanks Jacob for your videos and what you do to keep us informed!

    • @Capt-John-T-Moore
      @Capt-John-T-Moore 3 місяці тому +1

      Check out recalls on the Brinkleys and ORV. We personally like the ORV brand except the Shwintek they use in most every slide they have

    • @9002-bv9xz
      @9002-bv9xz 3 місяці тому

      ⁠@@Capt-John-T-Mooreif the Schwintek is installed as per Lipperts detailed requirements…it will be problem free. @undercoverrvtech you should really incorporate into your videos examining how the slides are installed, and if it’s done correctly by the manufacturer. 95% won’t be!!

    • @Capt-John-T-Moore
      @Capt-John-T-Moore 3 місяці тому

      @@9002-bv9xz I heard Scheintek even beefed up the system on the bigger slides by adding 2 more rails totaling 6 per slide because of the problems the system were having. I haven’t seen this yet. It maybe a rumor. I did see a vroom replacement where the schwintek tracks were not installed correctly. I personally own 3 rv’s with rack and pinion slides. So far no issues with them. I hope never to have problems with the Scheintek when we get our new unit, but just like the 12v refrigerators. You mostly only hear of the ones with problems and who wants to deal with that while camping.

    • @SpykersB
      @SpykersB 3 місяці тому

      ⁠​⁠@@9002-bv9xz😂 of course Lippert is gonna say whatever, don’t be so naïve. Problem is the RV manufacturers are using schwintek for heavy big slides, and schwintek can’t handle the weight, n the motors Lippert uses for them r crappy, I know, i had 3 schwintek slides on one of my RV’s. You have a schwintek slide u are guaranteed to have a problem sooner (new) or later. They are not made to last.

    • @markmax
      @markmax 3 місяці тому

      @@9002-bv9xz if 95% are installed wrong, then it's a very poor design.

  • @Bmotoglen
    @Bmotoglen 3 місяці тому +2

    I thought you hated the BAL cable slide? Or is their exact slide a good option?

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  3 місяці тому +2

      BAL Accuslide is evil, 0/10. Exact slide is also made by BAL but a totally different mechanism.

  • @jujor5757
    @jujor5757 3 місяці тому +2

    Have you taken a look at the Ember Overland series? I’d like to know if they’re built the same way. I also see they have a different suspension. If you haven’t reviewed those yet, I’ll be looking forward to a video on that. Thank you.

  • @drooskeedoo3388
    @drooskeedoo3388 3 місяці тому

    Would covering the exposed MDF under the counters with silicone or some other waterproof caulking be of any benefit?

  • @cablemanf250
    @cablemanf250 3 місяці тому +1

    We are trying to decide between the Apex Nano 213RDS & Winnebago Micro Minnie 2225RL, have you done reviews on either one yet? Watched all your videos, did we miss one? Thanks!

  • @jrags35
    @jrags35 3 місяці тому +1

    Thank you again, still looking at airstreams, (i know overpriced) but had friends talk about ember now I know.

  • @kimidavis6387
    @kimidavis6387 3 місяці тому +1

    I literally applied for my first rv thru happy days. I’m so happy I was denied…😅

  • @irishmarine51sfmf76
    @irishmarine51sfmf76 2 місяці тому

    Hello, I do have a question for you. We are looking at getting a travel trailer camper. Could you give me an assessment on the Forest River No Boundaries 20.3 BH. What the cabinets are made of, the type of plumbing is good. Just your REAL overall thoughts on this brand and model. Thank you! Semper Fi 🇺🇲

  • @daydreamer0923
    @daydreamer0923 3 місяці тому +2

    Hi, I'm overwhelmed from the tons & tons of information, some conflicting on motor RVs. I'm wanting to sell my little sticks & bricks to hit the road. I could really use an honest answer on if the Jayco 30z is a decent rig? I value your answer and I would really appreciate if you could give just a looks OK or don't waste your money. Thank you 😊.

    • @9002-bv9xz
      @9002-bv9xz 3 місяці тому +3

      Arctic Fox or Outdoors RV. Airstream if you got the $$. Otherwise skip everything else !

    • @Killbot754
      @Killbot754 3 місяці тому

      @@9002-bv9xzthis answer! Have a Jayco, just make sure you find a decent service shop to take full advantage of that 2 year warranty cause you’ll need to.

  • @mts982
    @mts982 3 місяці тому +1

    what do you think of 2025 Intech Magnolia Rover edition?

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the request! I don’t have any review videos of this out yet, but there are 4 grades of that brand in my database from myself and other undercover shoppers. If you want to view the database and learn to assess the quality of any RV like I do in my reviews, you can take my RV shopping course and use my app to grade it yourself - undercoverrvshopper.com/rv-shopping-course/

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      I also offer consulting where I get on a call with you and we can talk through your budget, camping goals and I can review any RV listings you’re considering - undercoverrvshopper.com/book-a-consultation/

  • @lynnedwards6643
    @lynnedwards6643 2 місяці тому

    Have you reviewed a Jayco Eagle? I just bought a 2024 317RLOK. I was wondering what I had to look out for.

  • @pineychristian
    @pineychristian 3 місяці тому +3

    I'm a HVAC tech so not so much in RV. Have you see people just fix the leak on their AC units on their RV's ?

    • @Arthur8256
      @Arthur8256 3 місяці тому +3

      It's not easy. My a/c unit has no fill/test ports.

    • @pineychristian
      @pineychristian 3 місяці тому +3

      @Arthur8256 they can be brazed in . I've done it many of times. There is refrigeration equipment also designed this way and some ac package unit designed with no ports. This is up to your service tech to do so at the time of repair.

  • @rec1015
    @rec1015 3 місяці тому +2

    Hello there, great video. We have been on the market for a travel trailer for quite some time now, but we have been reluctant to commit, mainly because of the quality issues, and all the tricks, and smoke screen of the rv dealers.
    What's your take on the Winnebago quality this days, compared to the pre-pandemic years? We thinking , maybe the mini Winnebago model, something around 20/22 feet? Also, can you do a comparison review between the older and newer weneebago models?
    Thank you, and keep up the good work my friend.

  • @SteveFelt67
    @SteveFelt67 3 місяці тому +2

    Wow I was about to buy one of these until now. Thanks, how are Nash, Northwood?

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the request! Here is a review video from that brand - studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoutJsuKdJKlY/edit

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      There are currently 4 grades of that RV brand in my database from myself and other undercover shoppers. If you want to view the database and learn to assess the quality of any RV like I do in my reviews, you can take my RV shopping course and use my app to grade it yourself - undercoverrvshopper.com/rv-shopping-course/

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      I also offer consulting where I get on a call with you and we can talk through your budget, camping goals and I can review any RV listings you’re considering - undercoverrvshopper.com/book-a-consultation/

  • @jerryronke6434
    @jerryronke6434 3 місяці тому +1

    Have you ever inspected an Outdoors RV and if so what were your thoughts?

    • @Infernotaco15
      @Infernotaco15 3 місяці тому +1

      He has and said it was a quality rv overall. Just search Rigor rv repair outdoors rv or ORV

  • @jimcornelius5809
    @jimcornelius5809 3 місяці тому +2

    I am glad I brought an Arctic Fox.I was looking at Ember.😂

    • @razorwired130
      @razorwired130 2 місяці тому

      I like function over style, but Artic Fox styling is straight out of the eighties.

  • @Martin-e3p3t
    @Martin-e3p3t 3 місяці тому +1

    Hi Jacob. I love your channel. I'm interested in buy an Intech Sol Eclipse 2024, I've been watching your videos to get better educated on what to look for. I would really appreciate your opinion or a review on Intech products. Thank you

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the request! I don’t have any review videos of this out yet, but there are 4 grades of that brand in my database from myself and other undercover shoppers. If you want to view the database and learn to assess the quality of any RV like I do in my reviews, you can take my RV shopping course and use my app to grade it yourself - undercoverrvshopper.com/rv-shopping-course/

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      I also offer consulting where I get on a call with you and we can talk through your budget, camping goals and I can review any RV listings you’re considering - undercoverrvshopper.com/book-a-consultation/

  • @davidcamillo4860
    @davidcamillo4860 3 місяці тому +1

    Jacob loves your reviews would like to see some gas powered class A and C motorhomes. I went on a factory tour for a class C motorhome and saw some good and bad. I will never buy class A or C without a factory tour.

  • @williehyde431
    @williehyde431 3 місяці тому +1

    Thank you 🙏🏿 very nice 👍🏼

  • @bndfishing
    @bndfishing 3 місяці тому +2

    I looked at a bunch of Embers because we were set on one. After seeing them on the lot and at shows, we have passed on Ember due to crap quality.

  • @allisonkindel9637
    @allisonkindel9637 3 місяці тому +1

    Can you review a Winnebago Solis pocket 36b sometime in the future?

  • @jerrytalley802
    @jerrytalley802 3 місяці тому +2

    I enjoy your channel, videos, etc. The fit and finish was really bad, and it cracks me up when the rv dealer says “oh, we can fix that”, lol. We drove to Fredricksburg to look at campers before buying a camper. All the cheap plastic covering was peeling off everywhere, and I told them, no thanks! I said if it’s falling apart brand new sitting on the lot, what will happen if you use it, lol. I really wish I had found this channel before buying one, but at least I’m aware of plumbing problems with almost every rv built, sadly!

  • @briancc2100
    @briancc2100 3 місяці тому +1

    I was mor interested in the ember overland series

  • @flyforeverrs6603
    @flyforeverrs6603 3 місяці тому +1

    Please review InTech Aucta Willow!

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the request! I don’t have any review videos of this out yet, but there are 4 grades of that brand in my database from myself and other undercover shoppers. If you want to view the database and learn to assess the quality of any RV like I do in my reviews, you can take my RV shopping course and use my app to grade it yourself - undercoverrvshopper.com/rv-shopping-course/

    • @undercoverrvtech
      @undercoverrvtech  Місяць тому

      I also offer consulting where I get on a call with you and we can talk through your budget, camping goals and I can review any RV listings you’re considering - undercoverrvshopper.com/book-a-consultation/

  • @mommasonthemove9144
    @mommasonthemove9144 3 місяці тому +1

    Can you review a Little Guy Max or Max DC?

    • @mommasonthemove9144
      @mommasonthemove9144 3 місяці тому +1

      I trust your opinion over an RV engineer. Let’s be real, they have turned the industry into a joke.

  • @Redfour5
    @Redfour5 3 місяці тому

    I'm looking at a Forest River Ultralight and you made a more general comment on how you liked the tortion bar suspension but were concerned about it being lifted. Is the frame cracking issue what you feared on that one also? You expounded a bit here where you didn't on that review.

    • @9002-bv9xz
      @9002-bv9xz 3 місяці тому

      Torsion axles bounce a lot…and are easily overloaded because the manufacturer doesn’t use ones heavy enough for the trailer. Also if you run a wheel up a curb or manage to bend the axle, or have a bearing failure that ruins the spindle…the entire axle has to be replaced and it’s not cheap

    • @Redfour5
      @Redfour5 3 місяці тому +1

      @@9002-bv9xz Well, we traveled on one as a kid on a pop up and often it was on unpaved roads. I understand the laws of physics as they might apply to a travel trailer and am good with a Tortion Axle.
      My dad bought our pop up in 1964 (a Phoenix) and gave it away still going in around 2008 to a young family... We never noticed what you discussed. I am aware of their pluses and minus's and know what they cost to replace. There are also a lot of advantages and they are better off road even if NOT the best suspension with new technologies. I'm good with that part of the trailer. It's the lift mentioned in the Ultra Light review that concerned me. If it is going to torque the frame enough to break it since I do National Forest Roads, often, that is important.

  • @lauragough1174
    @lauragough1174 3 місяці тому

    That takes Ember off my list. I was watching a walk-through video of a new Alliance Avenue the other day and the reviewer pointed out the one flex hose, which was coming off the back side of the water pump. He asserted it has the correct fittings, then said it is REQUIRED by code for that hose to be a flex. Pretty sure I've heard time and again there is no code for RVs. What is your input on this?

    • @OmahaWayne
      @OmahaWayne 3 місяці тому

      My Avenue 32rls has all the correct fittings on the hoses going to the pump. They are required to put on a flex hose going to and from the pump. The leak is because some use the wrong fittings on that flex hose to pump adapter. Been a FANTASTIC camper for 3 years now.

  • @richardtinsleyjr
    @richardtinsleyjr 3 місяці тому

    What are your thoughts on the venture rv brand?

  • @patrickmckowen2999
    @patrickmckowen2999 3 місяці тому

    Great update 👍

  • @1hasbeen531
    @1hasbeen531 3 місяці тому +3

    All together now, "J-U-N-K"!!

  • @carperdiem8754
    @carperdiem8754 3 місяці тому +1

    Black Series next? Alot people dogging them online but no substance

  • @frozenbbfan
    @frozenbbfan 3 місяці тому

    No slide?

  • @yankeesusa1
    @yankeesusa1 3 місяці тому +2

    There was already several people who have shown how bad Ember has been. It’s all Hype. I’d go with a rockwood or flagstaff.

  • @markmax
    @markmax 3 місяці тому +1

    Disappointing. I like their innovations but quality is my #1 concern. I looked at one last week at a nearby dealer and saw some bad plumbing. Thanks for the review and the free course. I've learned a lot.

  • @littlebit8901
    @littlebit8901 3 місяці тому

    I recently looked at an Ember RV. The Touring edition.
    I also was not impressed. It was my #1 pick that I had on my list. It is no longer on my list at all.
    Outdoors RV is decent, but too heavy for my truck.

  • @tomconnors6310
    @tomconnors6310 3 місяці тому +1

    Its criminal the way they build these things for what you pay for them. we have a 2013 Innsbrook that had to be sent back to the manufacture from Canada to Kentucky to repair $6.500.00 damage caused by an awning bracket that was not sealed and allowed water to enter between the kitchen wall and the metal siding, the QC on these RV's is non existent, you need to get an inspection before you leave the lot .

  • @Colorado_Chris
    @Colorado_Chris 3 місяці тому +2

    I’ll never buy and Ember again! It’s just been a mess from the beginning and nothing but daily repairs. Horrendous quality and the leadership (Chris & Ashley) never get involved with extensive customer issues. They choose to continue with marketing and promises for quality, but do nothing to make significant changes in their poor builds.
    Hundred of owners report the same, no quality control. Cabinets fall apart, sealed underbellies have huge gaps, frame bolts break, appliances fail, wiring is improper, plumbing leaks, countertops allow water seeps and swells, etc etc… it just goes on and on.

  • @mikemason746
    @mikemason746 3 місяці тому +3

    Good work. That's quite a disguise, you should be in the CIA.

  • @carperdiem8754
    @carperdiem8754 3 місяці тому

    Man this boutique rv companies continue to disappoint

  • @Redfour5
    @Redfour5 3 місяці тому

    OWWWW... But they look cool. And only cost a fortune.

  • @jerrytalley802
    @jerrytalley802 2 місяці тому +1

    Aren’t these supposed to be top notch campers, and expensive? If so, even more ridiculous

  • @marginbuu212
    @marginbuu212 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm so disappointed. I also heard good things about Ember.

  • @Shredtires
    @Shredtires 2 місяці тому +1

    You must make money off other competitors. Its insane the hate Ember gets when they seriously build a great unit. The people that work there are more proud of their products than most. They use the same stuff most do. And what they dont use , they made better. How can you trash that. It's insane. The prices are up cause they are not 3 year units. They are actually built to last. I will honestly say that half the negative crap I see has political agenda. That's honest truth. The bigger companies are all watching this company. Taking their floor plans and using their ideas. I call BS. Im sick of seeing it.

  • @bamaverick8740
    @bamaverick8740 3 місяці тому

    Another over priced,overrated POS!
    As are 90% of the manufacturers!
    Quality =$$$$$ ! Campers are a total waste of money , better off renting on for your one week a year vacation! Save a monthly payment and depreciation of the camper! If you like pissing money down the drain then go ahead!

    • @OmahaWayne
      @OmahaWayne 3 місяці тому

      Camped in my 3 year old Avenue 32rls 5th wheel over 100 times now (12000 miles) and have very few issues in those 3 years. I didnt buy it as an investment, but to enjoy with my wife.
      No way wound I trade that for hotels 1 week a year.

    • @bamaverick8740
      @bamaverick8740 3 місяці тому

      @@OmahaWayne
      The average working family only gets 2weeks a year! You are an exception if you are retired or can consider glamping as a lifestyle!

    • @OmahaWayne
      @OmahaWayne 3 місяці тому

      @@bamaverick8740 I have not worked a place that offered less then 3 weeks of vacation to start in 20 years. State parks are a pretty cheap weekend.

  • @jackalay23
    @jackalay23 3 місяці тому

    They are all junk. If you don't understand that going in you are in trouble.