@@lordvader898 she got sealed, she ain’t dead. Upgrade your comprehension skills it’s literally why Hagoromo gave naruto and sasuke his sun and moon seals…. To seal Kaguya since they can’t kill her
I like that mention you said about how people probably don't like Naruto/Boruto getting to these power levels. Some people really just be hating like that.
@@moonstonelaurenshihle4898 That's literally the name of the ability. Maybe it might not be exactly what you are thinking but them being in a higher dimension in the way they ascended still puts them on quite an insane tier of Power that Natural DBS hasn't targeted yet it seems but other mediums have surpassed.
@@moonstonelaurenshihle4898 yes this is how scaling works beings that transcend other beings have omnipotence compared to there power not anybody above him tho
@@smal750 that’s a joke, Batman at the end of the day is a normal human with gadgets he doesn’t have any abilities like the ninjas in the naruto verse he’d get destroyed rather quickly either by genjutsu or simple tai jutsu
@@xSimplyTroy we have never seen omnipotence create or change anything physical I think there is a reason for that we have yet to see (I also don't believe momoshiki)
I doubt Shibai would need to touch someone before he can reflect the killing intent. As he’s the original owner of this ability , I doubt it’ll have limitations like that. Since Daemon was made from Just a small part of his DNA, it’ll make sense his abilities wouldn’t be as good and potent as Shibai’s. And the Same goes for Eida
@@davidspearim5552 Then those beings who are 3D have hax that allow them to interact and perceive higher dimensional characacters while still being restricted to the 3rd one
I hope that Shibai becomes a great villian like Pain Obito or Madara because Boruto doesn't have any great villians like that so far. Also great video.
jigen, kawaki, and momoshiki are all fantastic antagonists. not quite on the level of pain or obito (except for arguably kawaki, but hes not fully set into being a villain, so we'll see how that plays out) but boruto does have great antagonists.
I keep telling people regarding the whole power creep in these shounen series, it literally has super-power in its genre descriptions... Ive just come to accept that power creep is here to stay, it shows that our favorite characters are either god-like or becoming gods them selves...I dont have a problem with that😅
@@JimereWindleyI'm a One Piece fan But the most important thing Shibai did was that in the new chapter of the Boruto manga, Shibai's greatest effort was to destroy a planet
Another great vid I'ma try to comment on all ur vids but I noticed momo said something close to "gods using a divine technique" so is he referring to himself and other Otsutsukis or maybe there is more like Shibai
This is very interesting 🧐 I’m a Goku fan. However, everything you said in regards to higher dimensional being 4D & 5D interacting with 3D level beings is completely true.
I honestly thought we wouldn't truly know the answer to this question till seeing Shibai in action more later down the line, but forgot to take into account that 4D beings are inherently stronger and faster than 3D beings 😭😭😭😭
also at the end of the zumasu ark when zumasu was in the middle of becoming 4d before goku hit the Zeno button in the manga he said if he had a sensu bean there may be something he can do about this there are also feets to support his power being 4d like breaking hits time skip although Goku is 3d he has multiple feet showing his power itself is 4d at this point even though Goku is still unable to preserve shibai he may still be able to hit him with a Kamehameha.
@Curiosity Man however despite being 3d goku has shown his ki capable of 4th dimensional feels multiple times as mentioned in my previous comment as such goku may be able to win despite being unable to preserve him.
Could it be possible that shibai could also restrict gokus ability to transform and lock him into base? Or wish for him to be decapitated or something similar to that?
@@uzookafor8721right 😂 like goku was shown fast enough to ignore and speed zip outa hax like with Moro how Moro could instantly absorb anybody especially energy but Goku was so fast I perfected U.i he was to fast for his power to get absorbed and his life force. With how Goku is in perfected ultra instinct he is above 4D dragon ball already 4D bc Time is a dimension they have time. Goku fought in a plane way beyond 4D or 3D the dimension of void where the tournament of power is.
Anyways ppl just got use to goku and krillin soloing thats why they find it hard to accept they no longer solo it's crazy to me their is more than 1 otsutsuki btw shibai doesn't have a limit to how strong he gets he never stops getting stronger stated they never stop evolving in strength so given more time he is gonna just get more stronger and he basically have every hax since he can desire to have them
In the manga Zeno destroying time is debatable since we are told that when a timeline gets created due to time travel a ring of time apears, the ring of time allows the user the ability to travel to the future, when Zeno destroy's the Future Trunks timeline we are shown a time ring getting destroyed at the same time. The time ring wich is specificat apears due to the maipulation of time getting destroyed implies time got destroyed.
You can argue zeno just destroyed everything in the future multiverse itself. Like imagine if the future multiverse was a container and zeno simply just erased what was in the container but not the container itself. It still the same feat
I think he'll actually help Boruto be rid of momoshiki for Boruto's own gain. He'll likely be one of the only morally good otsutsuki, which might be why he stopoed contributing to the cycle the all go through (ironically trying to reach his heights)
@Phoenix Raven I think it's closer to him being a Apathetic observer who just has more of a interest in helping boruto. It's similar to the **Dark powers** of DnD. They're Amoral but still guardians, they take incredibly evil indivuduals and trap them in a prison to punish them in perpetuity. They also, however. Tend to send innocents with them. Giving them a pocket dimension to remain occupied and receive the reflection of their faults in the land they're forced to try and lord over.
Not hyperbolic. 1: You can prove Kishimotos understanding of spacial dimensions via his previous works. 2: Kishimoto was extremely specific with the kanji only being mathematical meaning he's talking about spacial dimensions.
• Attack Potency: Solar System level (Far stronger than Daemon and Ada since piece of his DNA was used to create them) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability | At least Solar System Level, likely Universe Level+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. Unfathomably superior to BM Naruto and Isshiki) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability. Possibly High Multiversal+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. If one takes that Naruto and co. are universal/4D, then Shibai, who has ascended must be at least 5D.) Source: character-stats-and-profiles
First of all, you used the wrong translation, the translation was: "he sublimated into a higher dimensional existence" so the translation you were basing your premise off of is flat out wrong. Anywyas, you sre wrong about shibai having 4 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal, thats not what higher dimensionality is depicted off of, we know temporal dimensions are not physical, when talking about higher dimensions, its in terms of spatial dimensions, to say shibai is a temporal dimensions makes no sense at all, a temporal dimension is used to measure a physical change in the standard 3 dimenions, this is why time is not the 4th dimension. So shibai gaining a higher dimensional tier would only be 4d in terms of existence, not 5d. Zamasu for example would be a 4d being because he actually fused with the universe and the timeline which is 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension, could be more but for the sake of argumwnt we cam just leave it at that. A 4th dimensional being such as shibai, when talking about spatial dimensions, he would be able move in an additiaonal peroendicualr direction that is not comprehensiable to normal 3 dimensional beings. So we know shibai did not fuse with the universe, or become apart of it because momoshiki verbatim states he is not "in this dimension anymore". So this translation would only imply hes on a higher plane of existence. So if you were to say thay shibai is 4d in terms of 3 spatial and 1 temporal, then goku would be able to just blitz and one shot him because he would be comprehensible to goku, just like zamasu was. Now, onto why hes not 4d in terms of AP. Existing in a higher dimension, or being a higher dimensional being would not make you 4d in AP. It just means you can move in an additional axis, the same way that simply EXISTING in a higher dimension doesn't mean you scale to that dimension. Are we humans 4d just because we reside in a 4d spacetime? No we are not, is king kai 4d in AP and existence just because he exist in the afterlife? No it doesnt, same for shibai, him being 4d in terms of existence doesnt mean hes that powerful in terms of power, striking strength, or AP, or even DC. So shibai would not be more powerful than goku just because he has higher D existence. As i already explained that shibai at the max can only be 4d. Now onto reasons why shibai is not 4d. First off, this dimension hes on could simply be a spiritual dimension, now i did watch your video, but a highrr spiritual dimension seems likely because shibai did not need a physical body to go to this dimension, and this higher dimensional existence does not mean hes higher dimensional, it could also mean he just simply exist on a higher plane of existence (spitually, not spatially). Also we have no info on this dimension, not only would you have to prove r>f transcendence, qualitative superiority, and how he obtained this with finite growth, we would have to know about this dimension. For all we know, shibai could still be a 3d non physical entity, but just residing on a higher spirtual plane of existence, which could very likely be the case because of its inspiration from buddhism, not saying that its exactly like it though. His evolution could also be him evolving into a spirtual entiry now, because hes no longer bound by physical age or a body, hence him "cheating death". But yeah if i were to wank him and say he was 4d, thats only uni+, even though he would be incomprehensible to goku everytime he uses that extra axis of movement, goku is literally septillions of times faster than shibai, maybe even infinite speed for goku. He could just completely perception blitz shibai and one shot him since goku is trillions of times into low multiversal, outpacing shibai in AP by multiple infinities (literally). And omnipotence or his reflecting ability isnt even a factor here because goku outscales by literal infinites, so it would just be non factor. Omnipotence is a heavy no limits fallacy ability, like you were doing, since apparently you think shibai could go super Saiyan😂. We dont know all the things he could do with it, so we shouldnt even use that as a factor. Not that it would matter since base goku completely soeed blitzes him. Also shibai being higher dimensional (in your terms) how do we even know he would be able to do anything to goku? Clearly since hes a non physical being, would he be able to even intersct with goku at all? And we know he doesnt exist across the first 3 planes, like momoshiki said so how exactly is he 4d again?😂. But thats just my insight on it, so shibai being higher D doesnt mean he can hurt goku. So yeah, in my opinion, i dont think shibai is higher dimensional or higher dimensional in AP. SO id say hes a 3d non physical planetsry fodder. But if you want to wank the shit out of him, he would be 4d (uni+) and a buu saga victim. Thats my stance on the topic. Also, using the mathematical kanji doesnt really mean much here without more context, talking about dimensions in general, it is literally a mathematical terms in and of itself, using higher dimensional could mean plenty of things such as existing on a higher plane of existence, you shouldnt use the kanji as an argument for something that can have many context in the world of powerscaling. How is a 4th dimensional being supposed to interact with a 3d dimensional being? That's like saying is humans could touch a 2 dimensional object, it doesn't work like that. So shibai would just be incapable of interacting with Goku, but would still be able to perceive him. (I still don't think shibai is 4d btw, just presenting more arguments).
As said in the video and description I don’t respond to paragraphs I debate. On discord you can add me or You can not I just won’t response to text essays
Also ppl like momoshiki has some insane feats too in manga and tbh even if they were in the same dimension shibai can desire to be infinite speed and turn Goku attacks into flower petals hes that deadly
I dont know much about power scaling or anything, but would GT Goku be 4D? I dont know if he becomes "transcendent" when he went with shenron but if so thatd be cool
Wouldnt matter as he wins by default to a degree. But yes possibly. This video just shows if you high ball goku and lowball shibai goku still shouldnt win
@@AtenSol12Yet the Fandom will still say "Goku solos." They just won't accept it 🤦♂️ I've ALWAYS said 98% of the dragonball verse can solo the narutoverse, no cap. But not anymore. I think Masashi got sick of it and said "watch this"
Yep, here we go talking about how a charcter who has batrely shown any feats and statements is somehow beyond 4D and can match Goku when you literly downplay the living hell out of that character while making absurd assumptions about your faveriote one. This is coming from a guy who doesnt even like dragon ball and even i can tell this is hot garnage lol
How well do you think Shiba would stack up to the dmc verse? Ive people ask me and ive done a bit of research myself on shiba. But not to the extent u have(obviously) but i genuinely want to know anyones opinion on this. I think the sons of sparda slam but that's just my thoughts from what I know. Great vid tho keep it up
C.O.A.T is not really anything like reality warping but ability to give some thing life well not exactly that just it's only splitting a life for example : you can turn a tree into 2 planets but can't create a tree out of nothing
Idk what’s actually wrong with people nowadays. It’s like they don’t read AND understand they just read. Everything we’ve seen in Naruto thus far is a mere imitation of shinjustu which this man here has created. He can perform every move and has every skill set of all characters amped up to the max. He can do everything the otutsuki we’ve seen thus far can and much more. He also has kawkai’s dojustu and codes claw marks so you can’t say shibai is featless. If they put him back in the third dimension do you think the cast would last? Obviously not. Even if we bring him back to third dimension and we bring goku back there still isn’t much goku would be able to do. The powers of the entire Naruto/boruto verse amped up to the max and omnipotence as the cherry ontop? Na. Db fans just sad we Naruto fans can now compete with and BEAT goku as a character.
even tho we dont know his full power, we know shibai is above life and death, he can move his arms he creates tornados, when he talks it creates thunderstorms, he has the renni sharingan(can see the future bc it was blue colored like urashik) and has the jogan with jigens dojutsu . shibai is too op that he dosent need a physical body anymore, otsutsukie is 4d and shibai is above so he is 5d since he ascended
Imo its way too early for this debate, Shibai supposedly being in a higher dimension was Amados hypothesis and Momoshiki only confirmed that Shibai was not in "this dimension" which doesn't prove much. For all we know he could have been killed, since Momoshiki said "he was an Otsutsuki" Also Goku can use Hakai which works on ghosts/spirits and Gokus UI allows his body to react own its own. Currently Goku is able to this in his base and other transformations. For me there isn't enough cocrete info to convince me Shibai wins when we have not even seen him in action.
Sorry but the momoshiki part you said is not true Cuz he said that part is true So he doesn't have to repeat what Amado said + the was an otsutsuki is still doesn't proves anything cuz was an otsutsuki used cuz he no longer a otsutsuki but god
@@itachi-weasel Momoshiki only confirmed that Shibai is in a different dimension. He doesn't confirm Amados hypothesis about "higher" dimension. Until I see more than just statements Goku vs Shibai makes no sense.
Dude just straight up admits he ignores the infinite descriptor of the void and just decides its only large instead of going with whats plainly stated xD
If you watched the video (can tell you didn’t rn cause this ain’t what i said ) I said infinity has MULTIPLE definitions and you can’t assert one over the other so therefore we cannot use TRUE infinity. So yes what’s BLATANTLY stated has MULTIPLE definitions so therefore again can’t assert anything. Don’t be so bias and stupid to where you force yourself or ignore implication and intentions. It’s makes you look like a real weirdo.
@Simply Troy I did watch the video, sir. And even if it does have multiple definitions you still just up and decided to use the definition you prefered and you used the one that would low ball that feat the most. That sounds like bias to me as well.
@@Psycho-go5yr Its not bias if you cant prove one definition then you cant use the feat at all for a valid debate. Maybe if mangaka took the time to actually research like kishimoto did then you'd have characters capable of beating shibai in the big 3
@ForKing the problem with that argument is that pretty much every word in the English dictionary has more then one definition. I tend to take the most commonly used one and in the case of infinite that's a truly endless space, not just a very large one.
@@Psycho-go5yr Yea except this isn't the english dictionary its Japanese kanji being translated which isn't above the original. These are comics these are manga. As he explained Japanese like to use hyperbolic statements the most
Conveniently forgot to mention the Daisenshu statements about the universe 7 being Infinite in space and base goku surpasses the BOG god form in base at the end of the beerus fight, making base goku powerful enough to destroy infinite space Also vados verbatim states: "this means jiren possesses power that transcends time itself" Whatever interpretation you have from hit vs jiren fight is meaningless because it doesn't have more preponderance of evidence than this statement which was made by vados whom along with whis have the narrative role of stating objective facts in the Tournament of Power, also this statement easily makes Jiren 5D for transcending time Also i dont know why you're making the assumption that the statement about shibai refers to spacial dimensions, even if kishimoto made another series that approaches this concept, the same never happened in boruto and amado doesn't mention spacial dimensionality when referring to shibai's power, he only said he ascended to a higher dimension which could simply mean literally another universe, using Grice's Razor that statement is easily debunked Goku's existence being 3D is completely irrelevant, as fiction allows characters with 3D existence to have higher dimensional power, even if shibai's existence is 4D that only means he has spacial and hax advantage over goku, goku still remains being infinitely stronger than him because he is 5D on top of having ultra instinct which allows him to dodge any attack subconsciouly(not that he would need though) Goku is also able to fight against opponents who can fight him from other dimensions such as when he fought hit on earth
No, jiren doesn't transcend anything, to begin with, if jiren were capable of transcending time, he would have to have immeasurable speed (spoiler: he doesn't) and also that transcending was nothing more than a toei masturbation because in the manga the hit technique is nothing more than a simple slowdown. not even zeno-sama transcends time, because his technique was totally nullified by time, The fact that Goku can escape using the time machine already totally refutes any masturbatory attempt to escalate to 5-D
@@reyhernandez6460raw power doesn't necessarily scales to speed in every fiction, a character can have Immeasurable speed without being 5D or being 5D in raw power(AP/DC) without having Immeasurable speed, and as matter of fact jiren does have both Immeasurable speed and 5D Raw power, you're just not taking at face value what the actual characters in the anime stated about his power when you try to trump their statements with your own headcannon despite jiren being consistently stated to have power that transcends time itself by both vados and universe 7 kaioshin Also the manga and anime have their own scaling so one not having a feat as impressive as the other doesn't mean anything scale wise, goku's blue transformation for instance works completely different on manga and anime, and even despite that in the manga both goku and jiren are 5D as well because it is stated in the manga that all gods of destruction transcend time and space and both jiren and goku scale above belmod in raw power, so there's also 5D scaling in the manga as well Once again, you calling the vados statement and kaioshin statement a " toei masturbation" is purely your headcannon and a coping mechanism in order to not take the statements and scaling it sets at face value Dont know what you mean when you say that zeno's technique was nullified by time Goku escaping the timeline via time machine doesn't debunk anything scale wise, Dragon ball timelines work as different realities from one another, destroying or altering a timeline in the past has no effect whatsoever on a future timeline, also not every time travel via speed feat works as a Immeasurable speed evidence, take thor from marvel comics as example, he only needs to go 2 times faster than light in his verse to travel through and "transcend"/bypass his verse time space, when in actuality, Immeasurable speed is a level of speed that is necessarily above infinite and Inacessible speed, so that feat alone doesn't match the standards for a Immeasurable speed feat, Dragon ball on the other hand never set that light speed necessity to bypass their time space, and goku in the battle against hit in the manga was able to time travel through sheer speed with kaioken times 10 because time skip is a time travel technique, and the definition of Immeasurable speed is a speed that breaks the speed formula, transcending linear time is usually a requirement to prove that level of speed, jiren scales above kaioken times 10 goku and is fast enough to move inside time skip as well,therefore he has Immeasurable speed since before Vados statement So even if shibai had 4D scaling( which he doesn't) and there's no actual proof of it, he still would get clapped by goku for being infinitely weaker than him
@@davimedina5165 Mothers son of a bitch so much fucking text, fuck Big E sole both verses 😎🤙 P.D If I discovered that about speed recently, but even so, Goku doesn't scale to 5-D, that's bullshit.
It's really hilarious how the only way you can make a boruto character scale above goku is by wanking statements from boruto and dismissing statements from dragon ball 😂
Goku is a 3d being that can destroy 5d or 6d construct. The match up is one sided. Goku wins low to mid difficulty. Incase you need proof current goku >>broly and gogeta who broke into super dimensions which are superior to higher dimensions.
No. Forcing time into complete stop, completely reflecting all attacks, literally doesnt need a body to live.... he could attacks Goku with Goku not knowing where or how the attack comes from and even if Goki figures where Shibai is, Shibai can just reflect back every attack regardless of power.... He is just insane..... that being (who says he is Momoshiki) living in Boruto. Daimon is a clone of part of Shibai. Real Shibai can probably do it without even thinking... I wnat Zarama vs Shibai. We barely know anything about them,
Its the fact Shibai can simply desire something and obtain it. If he is the original owner of all of these abilities then at this point, there is nothing anyone can do really. Imma get so much hate for this, but even Sailor Moon might take an L. Shibai: I desire this to happen Reality: Say less Shibai wins. I honestly think Masashi got fuckin sick of everyone ragging on Narutoverse cus basically every anime can solo them, that he said "Fuck that" and made an unstoppable monster. I love Dragonball, but i dont even think Goku at his strongest can beat Shibai. Cus Shibai can just basically wish for Goku to die and reality will make it happen. He could wish or desire for the dragonballs to cease to exist and then wtf the Z Fighters gunna do? If we ever get proof that Shibai really is that powerful, than i guarentee OP, SM, DB, Bleach and many other fans just WILL NOT accept that the naruto verse can no longer be soloed Edit: This is all just MY OPINION so dont be throwin shade my way 😂 Lets have a debate like grown ass adults cus i could be 100% wrong. Also note i detest dragonball for "planet busting" abilities simply cus they can just wish the earth or universe back with the dragonballs. Naruverse doesnt have ANYTHING like that, so why the fuck would they destroy a planet they know they cant wish back 😂 So, to state NO ONE in the Naruto or Boruto verse is planetary is arrogant. Considering there have been many statements to debunk that. Legit says in the data books Kurama can turn the world to ash with a single wave of his tail..not TAILS, but ONE tail. Otutsuki literally traverse through entire dimensions and devour planets and have been since the dawn of time. So cut yalls shit with "They aint planetary busting" 😂
The question is if the shibai is that powerful, how can eida, daemon and code use its powers, even if it's only a small part of it? How some people can use such a power, and the argument that they were modified with scientific ninja tools seems silly to me because if this is the case any citizen of the naruto universe would be able to do it
@@xSimplyTroy I know that. Even so, it took Jigen many years to find Kawaki, a proper vessel, after many children were sacrificed. Shibai is a superior entity compared to Isshiki, so how can two random people possess and use even a fraction of the power of the almighty Otsutsuki!?
Wait so Shibai ascending into an higher dimension(via a “hypothetical” statement) is 5D(should be 4D since he’s only ascending a spatial dimension?) But Goku also via a statement, destroying Low multiversal construct with 4D AP would lose? Dimensionality gives no speed scaling, it should open a speed blitz just fine right? I’m just actually confused cos it’s sounds lowkey bias considering Shibais base stats for reaction/dura shouldn’t even scale to Goku slightly
@@yesnp6313 Goku has 4D AP and shibai is 4D. That means Goku can definitely touch him. Everything u said matters a lot of Goku can straight up blitz him with his AP+speed.
All goku had to do is understand logic Shibai can spin the earth faster as many years time will pass then goku suddenly gets all his muscles like melt and realized he gets older in front of shibai then shibai will ask goku Shibai: unless you understand the concept of time in space and on earth you wouldn't been struggling yourself facing me in that age now🤣
@@SuperKamiGuruu shibai is omnipotent negs dBs they need the dragonballs to make a wish 🤣 shibai wishes that verse out of existence with a mere thought
naruto verse itself is 4D and amado said "shibai ascended to higher dimesnion" how is it so hard to understand? Shibai also is omnipotent which is infinite power when I say Infinite he has like infinite power. naruto verse itself is 4D and amado said "shibai ascended to higher dimesnion"
@@osirex5495• Attack Potency: Solar System level (Far stronger than Daemon and Ada since piece of his DNA was used to create them) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability | At least Solar System Level, likely Universe Level+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. Unfathomably superior to BM Naruto and Isshiki) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability. Possibly High Multiversal+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. If one takes that Naruto and co. are universal/4D, then Shibai, who has ascended must be at least 5D.) Source: character-stats-and-profiles
I don't thing Shibai has limitations and requirements like touching someone to activate deamon's ability and we know this by Obito and Madara, Obito needed rinnegan rods to control tailed beat and suck them into Gedo mazo but Madara as he was the Origina owner of that Rinnegan and first to summon Gedo mazo he didn't need Rinnegan rods and just chained tailed beast without it.
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the switch up when shibai get killed by a kunai gon be crazy lmao
@@AintRyan he ain't dying, he's immortal 🙏🏼
@@richtheli1266 kaguya was immortal
She died and that was stated
@@lordvader898 she's not dead, she got sealed before, shibai is layers into immortality
@@lordvader898 she got sealed, she ain’t dead. Upgrade your comprehension skills it’s literally why Hagoromo gave naruto and sasuke his sun and moon seals…. To seal Kaguya since they can’t kill her
I like that mention you said about how people probably don't like Naruto/Boruto getting to these power levels.
Some people really just be hating like that.
Yea I had to address that
Huh?? Am confused 🤔 shibai has Omnipotence?? Are you sure?????? Am lost I thought that was just an exaggeration of how powerful he his???
@@moonstonelaurenshihle4898 That's literally the name of the ability.
Maybe it might not be exactly what you are thinking but them being in a higher dimension in the way they ascended still puts them on quite an insane tier of Power that Natural DBS hasn't targeted yet it seems but other mediums have surpassed.
@@moonstonelaurenshihle4898 yes this is how scaling works beings that transcend other beings have omnipotence compared to there power not anybody above him tho
@@zelz3011 Actually Shibai is both Omnipotent and omniscient
Shibai’s design is sick and I hope we get to learn more about him even beyond abilities (just giving thoughts 😉)
I 100% agree king
@@xSimplyTroy superman and batman touch a 5d bring
@@davidspearim5552
base batman slams fodderuto
@@smal750 that’s a joke, Batman at the end of the day is a normal human with gadgets he doesn’t have any abilities like the ninjas in the naruto verse he’d get destroyed rather quickly either by genjutsu or simple tai jutsu
@@xSimplyTroy we have never seen omnipotence create or change anything physical I think there is a reason for that we have yet to see (I also don't believe momoshiki)
I doubt Shibai would need to touch someone before he can reflect the killing intent. As he’s the original owner of this ability , I doubt it’ll have limitations like that. Since Daemon was made from Just a small part of his DNA, it’ll make sense his abilities wouldn’t be as good and potent as Shibai’s. And the Same goes for Eida
yeah as a formless being don’t think he would either
True
Was jus abt to say the same thing I was thinking that the only reason he has that weakness is because he is human like eida
@@xSimplyTroy i can name 5d and 6d brings that can be touch by 3d bring
@@davidspearim5552 Then those beings who are 3D have hax that allow them to interact and perceive higher dimensional characacters while still being restricted to the 3rd one
Bro you killed this video you broke it down so well 💯
I really hate the shibai 5d argument but after this video I think imma have to agree with you on this
Yessur BIG W
grrr I hate the truth grrrr
You didn’t account for Kaioken times 5-20, Giving Goku the ability to reach up to 20d AP
LMFAOOOO MR JADED W
Jaded and troy such trolls
@@Tempest1018 But the fun ones.
@@zelz3011 definitely goku 100D frl
@@Tempest1018 Haha...
Remembering that Shibai being this transcendental being is just a theory of a character in the manga the truth we have is that he died.
You just completely made that up PLEASE read boruto 💀nowhere it says he died it specifically says he’s not dead
I hope that Shibai becomes a great villian like Pain Obito or Madara because Boruto doesn't have any great villians like that so far. Also great video.
Shibai isn’t a bad guy so he probably won’t do anything and glad you enjoyed the vid btw🙏🏾
jigen, kawaki, and momoshiki are all fantastic antagonists. not quite on the level of pain or obito (except for arguably kawaki, but hes not fully set into being a villain, so we'll see how that plays out) but boruto does have great antagonists.
@@xSimplyTroy yeah expect killing 23,827,935,258,000 people is not something a bad guy do 😇
@@itachi-weasela kid is esseantial for every comment section -art of war
They have garbage villains
I keep telling people regarding the whole power creep in these shounen series, it literally has super-power in its genre descriptions...
Ive just come to accept that power creep is here to stay, it shows that our favorite characters are either god-like or becoming gods them selves...I dont have a problem with that😅
Fantastic video. But six said you can’t trust criminals so idk if this video holds up anymore 😔
LMFAOOOO
TIME TO FODDERIZE THE TOXIC DB VERSE!
LET'S GO LORD SHIBAI!
Can't even get past buuhan
@@ayo3244you must be ignoring shibais abilities. He can simply wish buuhan to be dead and it shall happen.
@@kevinlezo1046 hax resistance. existance erasure doesnt work on stronger people, and buuhan is dimensions stronger than shibai.
Goku fans in the comments losing their minds
😭😭😭
Lol only thing goku fans say is he solo
@@JimereWindleyI'm a One Piece fan But the most important thing Shibai did was that in the new chapter of the Boruto manga, Shibai's greatest effort was to destroy a planet
Um how though?
Cause shibai is still behind goku
Prove it first
But Shibai can't be 4D because he's a Boruto character!!
- Some Bleach fan
Bleach fans are hands down the most bias lol
@@xSimplyTroy
naruto fans saying this is absolutely hilarious
No bleach fan has said that, I like how u confidently spread misinformation
@@xSimplyTroy idk it’s up between them n op
@@lilgreg2809 Bro has not been on twitter
Aye we early. Bro I really appreciate your vids they really help get thru the day
Thanks king
finna start saying "can he beat Shibai?" instead of "can he beat goku?"
frl he took goku spot
@@kdotkeppapezzyno he didn't shibia got debunked along time ago
goku still slams shibai
@@Gokuoverfiction sorry to say but i really dont care lmao
@@JeirinZandamaki ok
Another great vid I'ma try to comment on all ur vids but I noticed momo said something close to "gods using a divine technique" so is he referring to himself and other Otsutsukis or maybe there is more like Shibai
I definitely think more transcended like shibai and Thanks for enjoying!!
Shibai also has Eida’s power, as stated in manga
Yessir
You mean Eida has shibai’s power lmao
@@intoxicz 🌚
@@itachi-weasel Have I seen you somewhere before 🤔
@@frostwave0009 yeah maybe
TROY!
Nice chart.
Thanks king
This is very interesting 🧐 I’m a Goku fan. However, everything you said in regards to higher dimensional being 4D & 5D interacting with 3D level beings is completely true.
I honestly thought we wouldn't truly know the answer to this question till seeing Shibai in action more later down the line, but forgot to take into account that 4D beings are inherently stronger and faster than 3D beings 😭😭😭😭
Yessur
Dbs goku is 5d lmao
also at the end of the zumasu ark when zumasu was in the middle of becoming 4d before goku hit the Zeno button in the manga he said if he had a sensu bean there may be something he can do about this there are also feets to support his power being 4d like breaking hits time skip although Goku is 3d he has multiple feet showing his power itself is 4d at this point even though Goku is still unable to preserve shibai he may still be able to hit him with a Kamehameha.
@YoNoobieStar The video unfortunately proves that DBS Goku is not 5D. He is still only a 3D being
@Curiosity Man however despite being 3d goku has shown his ki capable of 4th dimensional feels multiple times as mentioned in my previous comment as such goku may be able to win despite being unable to preserve him.
Could it be possible that shibai could also restrict gokus ability to transform and lock him into base? Or wish for him to be decapitated or something similar to that?
Yes all are possible
All his haxes he easily clears that reflect ability or op asf on its own
@@xSimplyTroy you do know goku can neg all his hax
@@uzookafor8721right 😂 like goku was shown fast enough to ignore and speed zip outa hax like with Moro how Moro could instantly absorb anybody especially energy but Goku was so fast I perfected U.i he was to fast for his power to get absorbed and his life force. With how Goku is in perfected ultra instinct he is above 4D dragon ball already 4D bc Time is a dimension they have time. Goku fought in a plane way beyond 4D or 3D the dimension of void where the tournament of power is.
@@uzookafor8721only in db universe
Anyways ppl just got use to goku and krillin soloing thats why they find it hard to accept they no longer solo it's crazy to me their is more than 1 otsutsuki btw shibai doesn't have a limit to how strong he gets he never stops getting stronger stated they never stop evolving in strength so given more time he is gonna just get more stronger and he basically have every hax since he can desire to have them
In the manga Zeno destroying time is debatable since we are told that when a timeline gets created due to time travel a ring of time apears, the ring of time allows the user the ability to travel to the future, when Zeno destroy's the Future Trunks timeline we are shown a time ring getting destroyed at the same time. The time ring wich is specificat apears due to the maipulation of time getting destroyed implies time got destroyed.
I address that within the video
Bro anime goku dogs manga zeno
@@Hunkyforlife what kinda bull- Did I just read?
You can argue zeno just destroyed everything in the future multiverse itself. Like imagine if the future multiverse was a container and zeno simply just erased what was in the container but not the container itself.
It still the same feat
Regular Ōtsutsuki have a similar item that allows them to manipulate and travel through time with ease just like the time ring
I can't believe shibai actually beats goku but it is a W for us naruto fans
Yessur after all these years lol
You morons are delusional lmfao
No he can't 💀💀
@@sahilparadhan8033 whats your counter to it then?
@@mikeinlike109 goku ap is 5d+ there's a entire blog accepted by Vsbattle admins that 4d ap can harm 4d beings
Eida using omnipotence is a Uni+ feat the ability extended beyond the universe to code in another dimension
@@BOEGVELDstill stronger then jigen
Great vid
Thanks king ✅
Would love a full video on dimensions scaling if you can make one
Super informative my guy great vid gang 🔥
No problem gang🙏🏾
Do you think shibai will be the main villain of boruto or do you think he will be more like hagoromo : )
Wassup
@@xSimplyTroy nigga that's not a response😂
I think he'll actually help Boruto be rid of momoshiki for Boruto's own gain.
He'll likely be one of the only morally good otsutsuki, which might be why he stopoed contributing to the cycle the all go through (ironically trying to reach his heights)
@Phoenix Raven I think it's closer to him being a Apathetic observer who just has more of a interest in helping boruto.
It's similar to the **Dark powers** of DnD. They're Amoral but still guardians, they take incredibly evil indivuduals and trap them in a prison to punish them in perpetuity. They also, however. Tend to send innocents with them. Giving them a pocket dimension to remain occupied and receive the reflection of their faults in the land they're forced to try and lord over.
Imagine 10 tails baryon mode madara fighting Shibai
love ur vid can u do momo vs luffy gear 5
Possibly in the features I will gladly 👍🏾🐐
Please do it troy people say Luffy gear 5 is star lvl but he is continent lvl
Can you please make a video between Ishiki VS Daemon, or Post Time Skip Boruto VS Daemon
Say less
Let's go please make vid
Bro daemon stomps hard-core it isn't even close
11:36 by that logic the Higher Dimensional statement as well as the Ominpotence is also "Hyperbolic"
Not listening to a video and commenting ignorance doesn’t make it correct 💀it’s just makes you look weird
Not hyperbolic.
1: You can prove Kishimotos understanding of spacial dimensions via his previous works.
2: Kishimoto was extremely specific with the kanji only being mathematical meaning he's talking about spacial dimensions.
Ada was made from his DNA and she has Ominpotence so does he too.
• Attack Potency: Solar System level (Far stronger than Daemon and Ada since piece of his DNA was used to create them) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability | At least Solar System Level, likely Universe Level+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. Unfathomably superior to BM Naruto and Isshiki) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability. Possibly High Multiversal+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. If one takes that Naruto and co. are universal/4D, then Shibai, who has ascended must be at least 5D.)
Source: character-stats-and-profiles
@@xSimplyTroylove the way u answered in an ignorant way, completely discredits what u said.
In the next video talk about why Boruto is your favourite newgen
Bet
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Thanks king
Bro if some dbz fans could just watch this before sliding in my dms and starts talking malarkey
Thoughts on broly vs gogeta, it's stated in the broly novel that they crashed in super dimensions
I would have to look into it
First of all, you used the wrong translation, the translation was: "he sublimated into a higher dimensional existence" so the translation you were basing your premise off of is flat out wrong. Anywyas, you sre wrong about shibai having 4 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal, thats not what higher dimensionality is depicted off of, we know temporal dimensions are not physical, when talking about higher dimensions, its in terms of spatial dimensions, to say shibai is a temporal dimensions makes no sense at all, a temporal dimension is used to measure a physical change in the standard 3 dimenions, this is why time is not the 4th dimension. So shibai gaining a higher dimensional tier would only be 4d in terms of existence, not 5d. Zamasu for example would be a 4d being because he actually fused with the universe and the timeline which is 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension, could be more but for the sake of argumwnt we cam just leave it at that. A 4th dimensional being such as shibai, when talking about spatial dimensions, he would be able move in an additiaonal peroendicualr direction that is not comprehensiable to normal 3 dimensional beings. So we know shibai did not fuse with the universe, or become apart of it because momoshiki verbatim states he is not "in this dimension anymore". So this translation would only imply hes on a higher plane of existence. So if you were to say thay shibai is 4d in terms of 3 spatial and 1 temporal, then goku would be able to just blitz and one shot him because he would be comprehensible to goku, just like zamasu was.
Now, onto why hes not 4d in terms of AP. Existing in a higher dimension, or being a higher dimensional being would not make you 4d in AP. It just means you can move in an additional axis, the same way that simply EXISTING in a higher dimension doesn't mean you scale to that dimension. Are we humans 4d just because we reside in a 4d spacetime? No we are not, is king kai 4d in AP and existence just because he exist in the afterlife? No it doesnt, same for shibai, him being 4d in terms of existence doesnt mean hes that powerful in terms of power, striking strength, or AP, or even DC. So shibai would not be more powerful than goku just because he has higher D existence. As i already explained that shibai at the max can only be 4d.
Now onto reasons why shibai is not 4d. First off, this dimension hes on could simply be a spiritual dimension, now i did watch your video, but a highrr spiritual dimension seems likely because shibai did not need a physical body to go to this dimension, and this higher dimensional existence does not mean hes higher dimensional, it could also mean he just simply exist on a higher plane of existence (spitually, not spatially). Also we have no info on this dimension, not only would you have to prove r>f transcendence, qualitative superiority, and how he obtained this with finite growth, we would have to know about this dimension. For all we know, shibai could still be a 3d non physical entity, but just residing on a higher spirtual plane of existence, which could very likely be the case because of its inspiration from buddhism, not saying that its exactly like it though. His evolution could also be him evolving into a spirtual entiry now, because hes no longer bound by physical age or a body, hence him "cheating death". But yeah if i were to wank him and say he was 4d, thats only uni+, even though he would be incomprehensible to goku everytime he uses that extra axis of movement, goku is literally septillions of times faster than shibai, maybe even infinite speed for goku. He could just completely perception blitz shibai and one shot him since goku is trillions of times into low multiversal, outpacing shibai in AP by multiple infinities (literally). And omnipotence or his reflecting ability isnt even a factor here because goku outscales by literal infinites, so it would just be non factor. Omnipotence is a heavy no limits fallacy ability, like you were doing, since apparently you think shibai could go super Saiyan😂. We dont know all the things he could do with it, so we shouldnt even use that as a factor. Not that it would matter since base goku completely soeed blitzes him.
Also shibai being higher dimensional (in your terms) how do we even know he would be able to do anything to goku? Clearly since hes a non physical being, would he be able to even intersct with goku at all? And we know he doesnt exist across the first 3 planes, like momoshiki said so how exactly is he 4d again?😂. But thats just my insight on it, so shibai being higher D doesnt mean he can hurt goku. So yeah, in my opinion, i dont think shibai is higher dimensional or higher dimensional in AP. SO id say hes a 3d non physical planetsry fodder. But if you want to wank the shit out of him, he would be 4d (uni+) and a buu saga victim. Thats my stance on the topic. Also, using the mathematical kanji doesnt really mean much here without more context, talking about dimensions in general, it is literally a mathematical terms in and of itself, using higher dimensional could mean plenty of things such as existing on a higher plane of existence, you shouldnt use the kanji as an argument for something that can have many context in the world of powerscaling. How is a 4th dimensional being supposed to interact with a 3d dimensional being? That's like saying is humans could touch a 2 dimensional object, it doesn't work like that. So shibai would just be incapable of interacting with Goku, but would still be able to perceive him. (I still don't think shibai is 4d btw, just presenting more arguments).
As said in the video and description I don’t respond to paragraphs I debate. On discord you can add me or You can not I just won’t response to text essays
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@@xSimplyTroy Yeah well not everybody can get on discord, so why don't you respond? I bet you didn't even read it.
@@Savage-e1z Contentions?
@@tiltedxfn3635 no just a lot to read
Also ppl like momoshiki has some insane feats too in manga and tbh even if they were in the same dimension shibai can desire to be infinite speed and turn Goku attacks into flower petals hes that deadly
Boruto has such 2 dimensional boring characters unlike Naruto. Then we have 4D being Shibai
Damn the downplay on Goku is so bad, I'll debate u
Yo Mr Crafty
@@DarkTemple34 yoo
@@MrCraftyScales Did he ever debate you? I saw you reply on the pinned comment, and he never responded.
You're right.This guy is a boruto fan and literary downplayed goku
I dont know much about power scaling or anything, but would GT Goku be 4D? I dont know if he becomes "transcendent" when he went with shenron but if so thatd be cool
Gotta look into it but my first thoughts is no he’s not transcended but I could be wrong
Using fake scans I just made on a whim, goku is boundless therefore he solos
LMFAOOOO
@@xSimplyTroy 😭
Nahhh🤣🤣🤣
His whole character is him reaching a limit and then surpassing it 🤣🤣🤣 goku glazers. Goku has not shown any universal feat whatsoever
@@kevinlezo1046 you are mentally deranged if you actually think this.
can you do goku vs naruto? i‘ve seen many diff naruto scales but i think he pretty consistently scales to uni+, would love to see your take on it tho!
Probably in the future yes
No he dosent,hes star level.
@@infinte3606 Lowballed
@@KcMove2Smoove Thats not a low ball,a lowball for natruo would probably be moon-planetary.
@@infinte3606Naruto isn't star that's been debunked
Aren't most of his abilities before his ascension? Wouldn't that mean any shinjutsu we are shown would likely be more potent in his ascended form?
Wouldnt matter as he wins by default to a degree. But yes possibly. This video just shows if you high ball goku and lowball shibai goku still shouldnt win
@@AtenSol12Yet the Fandom will still say "Goku solos." They just won't accept it 🤦♂️ I've ALWAYS said 98% of the dragonball verse can solo the narutoverse, no cap. But not anymore. I think Masashi got sick of it and said "watch this"
Yep, here we go talking about how a charcter who has batrely shown any feats and statements is somehow beyond 4D and can match Goku when you literly downplay the living hell out of that character while making absurd assumptions about your faveriote one. This is coming from a guy who doesnt even like dragon ball and even i can tell this is hot garnage lol
How well do you think Shiba would stack up to the dmc verse? Ive people ask me and ive done a bit of research myself on shiba. But not to the extent u have(obviously) but i genuinely want to know anyones opinion on this. I think the sons of sparda slam but that's just my thoughts from what I know. Great vid tho keep it up
Probably dmc idk yet tho I haven’t researched dmc in a while
@@xSimplyTroyimma just let you know that DMC scales up to 11D now with new info so decide for urself if shibai beats or not
Vergil's chair victim
You could make the same argument that you did for Omnipotence for creation of all things. Universal Hagoromo?
Nah
@@xSimplyTroy how about nchammer outerversal Hagoromo
C.O.A.T is not really anything like reality warping but ability to give some thing life well not exactly that just it's only splitting a life
for example : you can turn a tree into 2 planets but can't create a tree out of nothing
5.3 written show
@@yesnp6313 again what you mean?
W video❤
Thanks king
Again a W video 🔥🙏
Yessur king thank you 🙏🏾
Goku summons the Hispanic community and negs Shibai in order to win 💯💯💯💯
😭😭😭
I wanna see a how strong is daemon video
Covered him before ina. Previous vid you should check it out!
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Idk what’s actually wrong with people nowadays. It’s like they don’t read AND understand they just read. Everything we’ve seen in Naruto thus far is a mere imitation of shinjustu which this man here has created. He can perform every move and has every skill set of all characters amped up to the max. He can do everything the otutsuki we’ve seen thus far can and much more. He also has kawkai’s dojustu and codes claw marks so you can’t say shibai is featless. If they put him back in the third dimension do you think the cast would last? Obviously not. Even if we bring him back to third dimension and we bring goku back there still isn’t much goku would be able to do. The powers of the entire Naruto/boruto verse amped up to the max and omnipotence as the cherry ontop? Na. Db fans just sad we Naruto fans can now compete with and BEAT goku as a character.
He also has the senrigan. He can literally view all of goku s past battles and view his skill set. I’m short he’s broken and beyond broken
My man indirectly stated created chalra usage
He finally dropped it
Yessur
Dang These Fans are Mad af💀
Their so Desperate, Even Tho its the Truth.
Yessur
you are my favorite most fair power scaler😊
Thanks king much appreciated
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even tho we dont know his full power, we know shibai is above life and death, he can move his arms he creates tornados, when he talks it creates thunderstorms, he has the renni sharingan(can see the future bc it was blue colored like urashik) and has the jogan with jigens dojutsu . shibai is too op that he dosent need a physical body anymore, otsutsukie is 4d and shibai is above so he is 5d since he ascended
Db fans are crying bro nice video
Imo its way too early for this debate, Shibai supposedly being in a higher dimension was Amados hypothesis and Momoshiki only confirmed that Shibai was not in "this dimension" which doesn't prove much. For all we know he could have been killed, since Momoshiki said "he was an Otsutsuki"
Also Goku can use Hakai which works on ghosts/spirits and Gokus UI allows his body to react own its own. Currently Goku is able to this in his base and other transformations.
For me there isn't enough cocrete info to convince me Shibai wins when we have not even seen him in action.
Fair assessment but I think it’s perfectly fine to compare them now and momoshiki confirms all of it to be true
Sorry but the momoshiki part you said is not true
Cuz he said that part is true
So he doesn't have to repeat what Amado said
+ the was an otsutsuki is still doesn't proves anything cuz was an otsutsuki used cuz he no longer a otsutsuki but god
@@itachi-weasel Momoshiki only confirmed that Shibai is in a different dimension. He doesn't confirm Amados hypothesis about "higher" dimension. Until I see more than just statements Goku vs Shibai makes no sense.
@@itachi-weasel Also Goku has the power and ki of the gods as well. UI and Hakai are confirmed god level technqiues
@@j.i.k2.044 sorry I am not here to debate goku Vs shibai
Debate some else
Also momoshiki literally said its true
What are talking about?
Eida IS Omnipotent.
CRY ABOUT IT
TALK THAT TALK
Scales you barely anywhere
@@Black-mx3hc 💀
@@Sweetdude64 have no clue why you sculling it really just grants 1 dimension higher lmfao
@@Black-mx3hc idc where it scales, I care that she is indeed Omnipotent :P
And 1 dimension higher is good lol
Eida and daemon vs goku
Or Naruto vs goku would be a cool video
inb4 Shibai shows up and is affected by shurikens and shit lol
U wish
W video
Thanks king
Dude just straight up admits he ignores the infinite descriptor of the void and just decides its only large instead of going with whats plainly stated xD
If you watched the video (can tell you didn’t rn cause this ain’t what i said ) I said infinity has MULTIPLE definitions and you can’t assert one over the other so therefore we cannot use TRUE infinity. So yes what’s BLATANTLY stated has MULTIPLE definitions so therefore again can’t assert anything. Don’t be so bias and stupid to where you force yourself or ignore implication and intentions. It’s makes you look like a real weirdo.
@Simply Troy I did watch the video, sir. And even if it does have multiple definitions you still just up and decided to use the definition you prefered and you used the one that would low ball that feat the most. That sounds like bias to me as well.
@@Psycho-go5yr Its not bias if you cant prove one definition then you cant use the feat at all for a valid debate.
Maybe if mangaka took the time to actually research like kishimoto did then you'd have characters capable of beating shibai in the big 3
@ForKing the problem with that argument is that pretty much every word in the English dictionary has more then one definition. I tend to take the most commonly used one and in the case of infinite that's a truly endless space, not just a very large one.
@@Psycho-go5yr Yea except this isn't the english dictionary its Japanese kanji being translated which isn't above the original.
These are comics these are manga.
As he explained Japanese like to use hyperbolic statements the most
Conveniently forgot to mention the Daisenshu statements about the universe 7 being Infinite in space and base goku surpasses the BOG god form in base at the end of the beerus fight, making base goku powerful enough to destroy infinite space
Also vados verbatim states: "this means jiren possesses power that transcends time itself"
Whatever interpretation you have from hit vs jiren fight is meaningless because it doesn't have more preponderance of evidence than this statement which was made by vados whom along with whis have the narrative role of stating objective facts in the Tournament of Power, also this statement easily makes Jiren 5D for transcending time
Also i dont know why you're making the assumption that the statement about shibai refers to spacial dimensions, even if kishimoto made another series that approaches this concept, the same never happened in boruto and amado doesn't mention spacial dimensionality when referring to shibai's power, he only said he ascended to a higher dimension which could simply mean literally another universe, using Grice's Razor that statement is easily debunked
Goku's existence being 3D is completely irrelevant, as fiction allows characters with 3D existence to have higher dimensional power, even if shibai's existence is 4D that only means he has spacial and hax advantage over goku, goku still remains being infinitely stronger than him because he is 5D on top of having ultra instinct which allows him to dodge any attack subconsciouly(not that he would need though)
Goku is also able to fight against opponents who can fight him from other dimensions such as when he fought hit on earth
Read the description
No, jiren doesn't transcend anything, to begin with, if jiren were capable of transcending time, he would have to have immeasurable speed (spoiler: he doesn't) and also that transcending was nothing more than a toei masturbation because in the manga the hit technique is nothing more than a simple slowdown.
not even zeno-sama transcends time, because his technique was totally nullified by time, The fact that Goku can escape using the time machine already totally refutes any masturbatory attempt to escalate to 5-D
@@reyhernandez6460raw power doesn't necessarily scales to speed in every fiction, a character can have Immeasurable speed without being 5D or being 5D in raw power(AP/DC) without having Immeasurable speed, and as matter of fact jiren does have both Immeasurable speed and 5D Raw power, you're just not taking at face value what the actual characters in the anime stated about his power when you try to trump their statements with your own headcannon despite jiren being consistently stated to have power that transcends time itself by both vados and universe 7 kaioshin
Also the manga and anime have their own scaling so one not having a feat as impressive as the other doesn't mean anything scale wise, goku's blue transformation for instance works completely different on manga and anime, and even despite that in the manga both goku and jiren are 5D as well because it is stated in the manga that all gods of destruction transcend time and space and both jiren and goku scale above belmod in raw power, so there's also 5D scaling in the manga as well
Once again, you calling the vados statement and kaioshin statement a " toei masturbation" is purely your headcannon and a coping mechanism in order to not take the statements and scaling it sets at face value
Dont know what you mean when you say that zeno's technique was nullified by time
Goku escaping the timeline via time machine doesn't debunk anything scale wise, Dragon ball timelines work as different realities from one another, destroying or altering a timeline in the past has no effect whatsoever on a future timeline, also not every time travel via speed feat works as a Immeasurable speed evidence, take thor from marvel comics as example, he only needs to go 2 times faster than light in his verse to travel through and "transcend"/bypass his verse time space, when in actuality, Immeasurable speed is a level of speed that is necessarily above infinite and Inacessible speed, so that feat alone doesn't match the standards for a Immeasurable speed feat, Dragon ball on the other hand never set that light speed necessity to bypass their time space, and goku in the battle against hit in the manga was able to time travel through sheer speed with kaioken times 10 because time skip is a time travel technique, and the definition of Immeasurable speed is a speed that breaks the speed formula, transcending linear time is usually a requirement to prove that level of speed, jiren scales above kaioken times 10 goku and is fast enough to move inside time skip as well,therefore he has Immeasurable speed since before Vados statement
So even if shibai had 4D scaling( which he doesn't) and there's no actual proof of it, he still would get clapped by goku for being infinitely weaker than him
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Mothers son of a bitch so much fucking text, fuck Big E sole both verses 😎🤙
P.D If I discovered that about speed recently, but even so, Goku doesn't scale to 5-D, that's bullshit.
It's really hilarious how the only way you can make a boruto character scale above goku is by wanking statements from boruto and dismissing statements from dragon ball 😂
Goku is a 3d being that can destroy 5d or 6d construct. The match up is one sided. Goku wins low to mid difficulty.
Incase you need proof current goku >>broly and gogeta who broke into super dimensions which are superior to higher dimensions.
Shibai can literally reflect any attack 😂
@@_------------_ nope,that's a no limits falacy,stop the cap
@@uzookafor8721 it's not cap it's a fact, you are the one capping wanking them to oblivion.
Goku has not shown any universal feat. 🤣
@@kevinlezo1046 were you born yesterday,depart from me ye workers of ignorance.
Time patroller from xv2 solo's both of them lets be honest.
Nope, they do however beat goku
Great video. And I agree that goku for sure cannot beat shibai. I'm doubtful he could be eida or daemon as well.
What the fuck Chiba, the new chapter of the Boruto manga, has proven that his ultimate goal is to destroy a planet
We gon ignored the fact that goku suppased his super sayian god powers in dbs ok i see how it is 😭
W
All we take
Bro here is talking about the real questions
I got too 🙏🏾
Theres no way in hell anyone in the naruto verse is surpassing shibai
Ong
Hagoromo.
@@zjuliënNo💀
@@zjuliën hagoromo got surpassed by madara stop overhyping that fodder
@@ნინოგიორგაძე-ი1დ lmao no madara never surpassed him u clown💀😭
Bro
In dbz,power=speed.
Ki always gives you same strength and speed in dbz.Jiren transcended time and it is the truth
Haha Shibai pops
@@kevaughnrichardson2216 in your dream kid😂😂
@@gamingwithtamzid4732Naruto is universal. And Jiren didn’t transcend time
@@DarkTemple34 naruto is not close to universal
Jiren transcends time by his power
Power also scales to ap and speed in db
Jiren doesn’t transcend time. If that were the case he’d be able to time travel at will and manipulate the past/future to his liking
No. Forcing time into complete stop, completely reflecting all attacks, literally doesnt need a body to live.... he could attacks Goku with Goku not knowing where or how the attack comes from and even if Goki figures where Shibai is, Shibai can just reflect back every attack regardless of power.... He is just insane..... that being (who says he is Momoshiki) living in Boruto. Daimon is a clone of part of Shibai. Real Shibai can probably do it without even thinking... I wnat Zarama vs Shibai. We barely know anything about them,
I love how all that is worth shit against someone like Buuhan
Its the fact Shibai can simply desire something and obtain it. If he is the original owner of all of these abilities then at this point, there is nothing anyone can do really. Imma get so much hate for this, but even Sailor Moon might take an L.
Shibai: I desire this to happen
Reality: Say less
Shibai wins.
I honestly think Masashi got fuckin sick of everyone ragging on Narutoverse cus basically every anime can solo them, that he said "Fuck that" and made an unstoppable monster.
I love Dragonball, but i dont even think Goku at his strongest can beat Shibai. Cus Shibai can just basically wish for Goku to die and reality will make it happen. He could wish or desire for the dragonballs to cease to exist and then wtf the Z Fighters gunna do?
If we ever get proof that Shibai really is that powerful, than i guarentee OP, SM, DB, Bleach and many other fans just WILL NOT accept that the naruto verse can no longer be soloed
Edit: This is all just MY OPINION so dont be throwin shade my way 😂 Lets have a debate like grown ass adults cus i could be 100% wrong. Also note i detest dragonball for "planet busting" abilities simply cus they can just wish the earth or universe back with the dragonballs. Naruverse doesnt have ANYTHING like that, so why the fuck would they destroy a planet they know they cant wish back 😂 So, to state NO ONE in the Naruto or Boruto verse is planetary is arrogant. Considering there have been many statements to debunk that. Legit says in the data books Kurama can turn the world to ash with a single wave of his tail..not TAILS, but ONE tail.
Otutsuki literally traverse through entire dimensions and devour planets and have been since the dawn of time. So cut yalls shit with "They aint planetary busting" 😂
So by your logic he’s equal to SK 🤦🏻♂️.
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Yup, troy has surpassed any power scaler on YT and Twitter
Yessur
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The question is if the shibai is that powerful, how can eida, daemon and code use its powers, even if it's only a small part of it? How some people can use such a power, and the argument that they were modified with scientific ninja tools seems silly to me because if this is the case any citizen of the naruto universe would be able to do it
Eida literally can't use his power lmao... That's been stated. Sigh y'all don't even fucking read and then say "it doesn't make sense 😭😭😭"
They are stated to not be able to control it and also they have his discarded body cells which are 3d
@@xSimplyTroy I know that. Even so, it took Jigen many years to find Kawaki, a proper vessel, after many children were sacrificed. Shibai is a superior entity compared to Isshiki, so how can two random people possess and use even a fraction of the power of the almighty Otsutsuki!?
@@whisptrebor4406 I think it's the same for them
There were likely many failed attempts before them and they were the lucky ones
Wait so
Shibai ascending into an higher dimension(via a “hypothetical” statement) is 5D(should be 4D since he’s only ascending a spatial dimension?)
But Goku also via a statement, destroying Low multiversal construct with 4D AP would lose?
Dimensionality gives no speed scaling, it should open a speed blitz just fine right?
I’m just actually confused cos it’s sounds lowkey bias considering Shibais base stats for reaction/dura shouldn’t even scale to Goku slightly
Reliaten to the video I explain it but if you do disagree I can discuss or debate you don’t have too but that is an offer
The thing he doesn't said shibai is 5d he said he is 4d
You dont understand, Shibai doesnt even have a body ap or attack speed an stuff like that are actually irrelevant
@@itachi-weasel Oh ok, thx
@@yesnp6313 Goku has 4D AP and shibai is 4D. That means Goku can definitely touch him.
Everything u said matters a lot of Goku can straight up blitz him with his AP+speed.
Common Troy W. Hope yall like the editing!
Yessur d0tbat A W
All goku had to do is understand logic
Shibai can spin the earth faster as many years time will pass then goku suddenly gets all his muscles like melt and realized he gets older in front of shibai then shibai will ask goku
Shibai: unless you understand the concept of time in space and on earth you wouldn't been struggling yourself facing me in that age now🤣
If Shibai desires it Goku is dead.
Shibai isnt 4d you would have to prove momoshiki has knowledge of higher dimensoonal existence thats a knowledge fallacy
Rewatch the video
@@xSimplyTroy u still would have to prove that momosshiki knows abt 4d beings its like jesus its an idealogy that he exists
@@momiartist344 he ascended into 4d he wasn’t always 4d. Momoshiki mostly know him in his 3d state
@@momiartist344momoshiki simply can interact with 4d he also has a 4d timestop ability
@@momiartist344momo Can manipúlate time.
Question now ik this sounds a little ridiculous but lets says is boruto beats shibai wouldn't that mean boruto can beat goku?
Yes
Goku negs
Cap
Not at all
@@SuperKamiGuruu goku not even universal. Bro is legit fodder
@@kevinlezo1046 Narutoverse is negative fodder
@@SuperKamiGuruu shibai is omnipotent negs dBs they need the dragonballs to make a wish 🤣 shibai wishes that verse out of existence with a mere thought
SHIBAI IS AMADO, I SAID IT
My Man you said it
Yes and no diff.
Unless we're talking about some specific weaker version of goku or something.
Nope dbs goku loses bud
@@xSimplyTroyNo he dosent,Goku has 4-5d scaling.
@@xSimplyTroy nope he does not💀
@@infinte3606 he has no universal feat in dbs.
Shibai has to beat Bloodlusted Mitsuki and Kawaki AKA Naruto’s Son before trying to beat Son Goku
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Shibai is Just Kishimoto just wait. Kawaki and Boruto will Beat Kishimoto Up😂😂
😭😭😭😭
Nothing special about a god beating a mortal.
Ong
Saiyan Saga Goku vs Kurama
You made my day lol!.... I have never laughed like this 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 First learn how to scale and also use some Logic too.
Crying db fan spotted
@@AyoubAbida-y6o Keep Yapping like this db Downplayer🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can tell your a db fan already by your profile 😭
naruto verse itself is 4D and amado said "shibai ascended to higher dimesnion" how is it so hard to understand? Shibai also is omnipotent which is infinite power when I say Infinite he has like infinite power. naruto verse itself is 4D and amado said "shibai ascended to higher dimesnion"
If your caught up with the boruto book then you would no instead you dragon ball gay fans really think that shibai gets negged 💀💀💀
Since we dont know Shibai ability there is no way to be fair
We do know his abilities lol
How do we still argue the 5D point when time as a dimension doesn't count 😂😂
Unless you're trying to tell me we live in a 4D universe
All addressed within the video
@@xSimplyTroy No, you just add time dimension to wank him up to 5D?
@@osirex5495• Attack Potency: Solar System level (Far stronger than Daemon and Ada since piece of his DNA was used to create them) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability | At least Solar System Level, likely Universe Level+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. Unfathomably superior to BM Naruto and Isshiki) Intent Reflection and "Omnipotence" ignore conventional durability. Possibly High Multiversal+ (Amado Hypothesized that Shiba had ascended to a higher dimension, a theory that was later confirmed to be true by Momoshiki. If one takes that Naruto and co. are universal/4D, then Shibai, who has ascended must be at least 5D.)
Source: character-stats-and-profiles
I don't thing Shibai has limitations and requirements like touching someone to activate deamon's ability and we know this by Obito and Madara, Obito needed rinnegan rods to control tailed beat and suck them into Gedo mazo but Madara as he was the Origina owner of that Rinnegan and first to summon Gedo mazo he didn't need Rinnegan rods and just chained tailed beast without it.
whens the next vid dropping, I wanna know whos a fraud
Soon…
It is what it is
😂Yeah I don't need to say much about this. Just R.I.P Shibai
Goku loses
@@xSimplyTroy have u read tiltedxfn3635 ans he debunked your argument hahah
@@xSimplyTroy borutard be like:
Shibai oneshots lol.
Yessur
This... Is terrible. But I'll debate you on it lol
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