Mat, for your information, the mavericks are currently completely broken on the dev server, they lose lock constantly and the 3rd person lock barely works, I have made a bug report and it got accepted, so I hope it gets fixed.
The Pantsir is so cool and so disguisting at the same time. We really needed at least Shrikes for the long time already (I think that they are dumb enough to be not too strong), but that just goes over the top. Especially when you notice that it's 11.3 vehicle. so things like A-7D will have to deal with it.
@@dendis2158 I unironically think that ot has the best chances out of all ~10.3s just because of AGM-65D. They have much longer lock-on distance and they are kinda more easy to find targets with because of IR sight. So you can Tiger UHT kinda thing where you go above hills for a secons, launch and then dive back down. The only problem is that poor thing will not even be able to leave air spawn...
@@СергейКленовский-ч4ц that's true, but for bigger distance u need to be higher cause the mavericks are slow af so theres a chance they won't even reach it from behind a mountain sometimes, and climbing with A10 is pain 🤣
@@СергейКленовский-ч4ц also, in practice you won't be able to use the long lock range of the 65D without targeting pod. The internal camera's zoom is just way too low for long range.
Also, just so people know, the Pantsir has no business fighting F-16A's. This thing went into service in 2012... its contemporary with F-35's. Any F-16's it faces will be block 50's or later with a much wider variety of sophisticated air to ground munitions.
I mean "this is the first and most numerously produced version from 2008 to 2013" and the f16 is the most common nato fighter jet even in 2023, so it's most likely that it would be fighting against f16s....but i get what you mean, it's too early for thing to be added in war thunder.
I dont understand why you would think that service date is tied in to what a vehicle should face. Just because a vehicle came out during a certain year, doesn't mean that it should face vehicles that came out in that year or time frame as well.
as a russia main I am excited for this new aa but other nations like the us need more modern aa systems, it's unfair that one nation gets powerful stuff. they need to make more equal additions when it comes to vehicles like if the us gets a new ifv all the other nations should get an equal competitor
It would have been nice to see how an apache would have faired but I have a sneaking suspicion that it would have been picked up on radar immediately and annihilated and even if the hellfite hit it likely wouldn't have done anything
The Mavericks are just randomly blowing up in the Dev server. They're bugged. Not tracking either. Lock is barely working. He didn't intercept the missiles.
The addition of anti radiation missiles would be devestating for any nation other than russia. The pantsir s-1 has 18km missiles which gives it immunity to basicly everything in the game given you see it early enough, other nations dont have access to 18km missiles making them much more susceptible to anti radiation missiles. So the addition of ARAD would pretty much nerf all nations except russia and russia already having the biggest lineup, strong CAS and complete air dominance makes it an insanely strong nation.
Viggen was supposed to get HARM missiles last patch, they were in dev server, but then got pulled probably because USA and USSR mains would complain if a smaller nation got HARM first. But hey it might get it's HARM's now, though i doubt it. Prob USA first.
So if my knowledge is correct (not always so forgive me) Russia now has the longest range AA missiles in the game and also the longest range Helicopter missiles as well? So nothing is going to get close to a Ka 50, Ka 52 or Mi 28 with Pantsir's protecting them?
I’ve killed one in the f-16 with mavericks, but that was cause he didn’t see me. The mavericks are supposed to out range the pansir on paper, but it never locks at that range. Then his buddy spawned in one and killed me when I was at 35,000 ft, 14.53 miles away, and no rwr ping. Truly balanced
Nerf range is easiest way. The missiles are basically AIM-7s but with the maneuverability of AIM-9Ls and nearly the fire and forget nature of the AIM-54s
I mean in real life launchers like these use smokeless motors so its pretty accurate, top teir cas is just gonna have to find new ways to outsmart the pantsir, which will be challenging because of its dummy good radar
Oh yes, can't wait to outsmart an imbecile picking pantsir for free (70 SP) with my shiny new plane (850+SP worth) just to die to new-completely-not-OP-russian-SAM. A M A Z I N G!
Don't pantsir's missiles use smokeless rocket motors? and also only the first stage really makes smoke, the other i think is only a small projectile but im not sure
what an odd time to care about historical accuracy. I swear I can find a picture of a T-80BVM that popped it's turret due to a sabot to the front plate but in game it just tanks them.
Bohoo top tier case planes have enough ordinance to kill half a team without ever going through risk, the one time it gets countered people ask for missiles that make AA useless
@@mattthimas3994 Yeah because only one side will end up having CAS by their side because fighting russia will be a big no fly zone, it's like the Z-19E syndrome on steroids
it doesnt change against helicopters, its the exact same as the vt-1 vs helis, its just a little faster. Only thing to counter it is the tiger UHT because you can fire and duck for cover.
I wonder if I could toss a bomb over over 15-20km, because guided bombs can't be shot down. Thing is, without laser guidance and a targetting pod, it's not going to track the target and finding a target is going to be really hard, if even possible because of ground unit render distance, so TV weapon users are a bit shit out of luck there, laser guided bombs however might just be able to do it.
Nah nah GBU-8s are the most effective long range sead weapons rn. With something like a pantsir, I’d come in supersonic and lob 2 of them at the ground near him from about 7-9 miles in the 2 most likely spots I think he’ll run (been testing this in the dev server), and then just distract him by getting low and notching his radar so he can’t get a clean shot, then just wait for the magic to happen and 80% of the time he either drives right into my bomb or gets killed by shrapnel. It works very well. If you’re just in custom looking for a way to bully a dickhead SPAA though, I’d recommend F-14 with zunis, the amount of time between you being behind cover to you firing accurate ordinance from long range to you being back behind cover again is unmatched with the F-14 and Zunis. If you’re a skilled pilot you can make any SPAA regret life with F-16 and GBU-8s or F-14 and Zunis
We need F-111 pave tack/ AGM-130))) Maybe IR versions of the GBU-15 and AGM-65 as well. The F-16 with no targeting pod and contrast seeker smart munitions isn't a counter at all. we need this if this is implemented in the current state. I feel Anti radiation missiles aren't the awnser but are a welcomed addition
considering TV bombs are limited to 7km range this is pretty much excessive. Should have spared this spaa for the future or give it more primitive missiles imo
I agree. Currently it breaks the only half decently balanced part of top tier and that is spaa. For all the countries that have too tier spaa they were pretty even all things considered but now it will just be as bad as everything else where Russia dominates and its not worth playing
I think the most modern aircraft should get their MAWs. ARM without INS mode are useless because you can just shut down the radar and still hold the sight at the airspawn zone - which isn't hard to find. And HARMs would break any (other) AAA. Also some maps are way to small to evade the INS of a HARM. I am a CAS player and I don't think that killing an Pantsir differs much from killing an ItO. You need zu to focus on a teamate - that hopefully dodged the missile - to climb above them at very high speed and altitudes. I usually don't spawn a CAS jet without any teammate being in the air too.
I think the best way of dealing with that, as of now, would be by using the GBU-8, self guided, great range, a lot of explosive. After launching it, you can simply go away
You can track it with the pantsir Radar so you can easily shoot it down. And since the pantsir got 70° vertically it is hard to not see something comming
he isnt intercepting a single missile but gaijin broke tv weapons on the dev server, both bombs and missiles lose lock and either blow themselves up or miss
Kh29T has 10km range and needs you to fly straight towards the target to keep the lock, PARS has 6km range and is a garbage missile and laser guided bombs need you hold a constant lock. All of them WILL get you killed.
Well, it's rock paper scissors. It's not supposed to be a fair duel with a plane, like it can't duel with tanks. The more modern stuff is added, the more specialized weapons become and longer stand-off systems will be.
After playing with the pantsir i found out that its only major weakness is that it cant aim straight up so basically dive down in 90 degree angle to kill it
People like you are the reason WT sucks. This will do nothing to prevent cas it will make already broken USSR cas even more broken. Their mig27s will eradicate tanks with no-one stopping them, or without any equivalent. Also this will bring HARMs to the game and I bet you will love it when your shitty ito gets nuked from 20km away just because pantsir is in the game. This will also bring way longer ground strike munitions. Probably stuff like fire and forget brimstone missiles.
You do realize their isn’t any other game mode for people who like to fly aircraft while striking ground targets (outside sim which is just a debt machine). Gaijoobs main problem is lack of interesting modes, so obviously modes meant for tank combat are going to be filled with flyboys who want to ground pound.
The problem is not CAS player, the problem is that from now on, the Russian CAS will be uncontested because only this nation is getting such bs. The russian CAS will be completely free, without any enemy fighters able to intercept them. It's just BS
the problem isnt adding an amazing aa system, the problem is now only russia gets to stomp with cas, so other nations just have to suffer while ka 52s and ka50s and mig 27ks dunk on them because if you try to spawn air superiority youre dead
@@molstad182 So, when the only russia gets something good - other nations will suffer, when the only other nations gets something good, russia will be just fine, I see
Im not going to play this game anymore tbh. Neither should anyone who is sane do it. So you wanna tell me, that the nation with the by far strongest CAS, now also gets the by far strongest AA ??? I mean the word „strongest“ is an understatement, more like the most ridiculous overpowered vehicles.. Don’t understand what’s going on in gaijin, don’t tell me there is no Russian bias
Hi Matt. With the dev server closing tomorrow, do you think there will be another one next week, or do you think the update will be next week? Love your channel!
I feel that you don’t ground strike in GRB enough to know how to counter all SAM AA systems. I agree that it’s a very strong vehicle, but playing like a new player against a SAM doesn’t really show much. Space climbing and striking from above is how any CAS spammer goes against any SAMs as there’s de-rendering issues against high altitude aircraft and the fact SAMs can’t aim directly 90 degrees upward. Regardless I understand the point, but please try much more wide areas to show your point than just sitting mid altitude most of the time.
I hope Anti radiation missels will come soon. Otherwhise, will be no CAS against top tier Rússia anymore. And Japan, Italy and Israel don't have any top tier SAM...why Russia need another one first? Just BIAS, i guess...
AA like the flarakrad, tor m1, and the adats is good enough imo but maybe if the range of the radar on the panstir was nerfed a little it could fit in the GRB setting
current in-game CAS can already fire/drop ordnance well outside of the range of the FlaRakRad and ADATS, but adding such a strong vehicle only to one nation is really the problem. there aren't any NATO equivalents to the pantsir either
@@stevenortiz9008 You're thinking of the patriot system which has multiple separate vehicles for the Radar Station, command control, and actual missile station. So can't fit in WT unless they combine all aspects to 1 vehicle in an unrealistic fashion
@@Frozander its not fun when you dont see it and don't know you're bring targeted. Hard to counter what you cant see. Especially if you're in an American vehicle that doesn't get lwrs because america goes into top tier with tanks from the 90s while nations like Russia have tanks from the 2010s
honestly i dont think this is that big of a problem for the game, assuming they fix the smoke trails(which havent been satisfactory even on the older systems either), and the mavericks self destructing. then you just need to do some actual tactics instead of pretending its uncontested airspace like wt pilots currently do. of course itll be hard for a solo pilot to win against a pantsir in a 1v1; but i dont really see the problem with an air defence system actually being a deterrent? what this really makes a case for is realistic rwr; where both nato and russian vehicles would both be able to tell that a medium range missile system is looking at them. (nato gets the advantage of knowing that its a pantsir specifically, but russians do have an indicator for mrm systems) of course arms should be added, but gaijins in a weird spot because a lot of nations simply dont have an aa thats between top tier and 8.0 meaning they would have to engage arms equipped aircraft with either radar guns or manpads, all the while 85% of the playerbase doesnt even know that radars can be turned off.
it is really strong as it should be. Tbh, from a clan battles/meta perspective. Things like the ITO already had no issues destroying any kind of aircraft at all. The main issue with AAA is that their radar does not pick up aircraft flying above 6/7km. In clan battles we would just fly to 6km with the F-16 and start lobbing mavericks to the AO. The only AA before that had no problems getting aircraft on radar that high is the Tor-m1. I hope this AAA's radar will be able to pick up aircraft much better than the other top tier AAA's as that is actually the main problem. I dont know why they moddeled the other AA's radars so poorly, but they somehow did.
just remove this vehicle for now. russia is already too powerful and it’s getting unfair. i don’t see why they’re giving russia so many overpowered vehicles so often. they have never given any other nation a vehicle that dominated the BR other than the F14 which is literally a one off. Russia received a BVM with no counter, KA-52 with no counter, YAK-141 with no counter and yeah the 141 will definitely be good. Now they’re adding an overpowered SPAA system. this is blatant russian bias.
Tbh SEAD needs to be added, ARH missiles wouldn't be game breaking nor would they be unbalanced. It takes a plane to use them which takes SP, you get max 4 for most planes, they can be shot down etc etc. What it would be good for, is SUPPRESSION. Keep the AA overwhelmed and force them to prioritize targets. Pantsir needs to be locked to top tier forever, and there need to be more ways to take it down. I doubt even a laser guided bomb would work even using CCRP because of the absurd lock and launch range of it's missiles. Note: Because the Pantsir's radar dishes are angled up, maybe it provides a small blind spot with low altitude targets? Tornado carpet bomb?
Pantsyr Radar (atleast IRL) has a blind spot above it, so in theory you could climb to like ~15km and kill it from a dive but that isn't viable tactic on those tiny maps we have in ground battles. Flying low is meaningless unless there is a cover or you're flying less than 5 meter above the ground. That thing shouldn't be in game, that's it.
@@Tjecktjeck Isn't that every SAM in game? The problem is getting to that zone. I agree it shouldn't because at this point in the meta were returning to the KA-50 era.
@@Tjecktjeck you can't. It has 80 degrees of elevation. So you need to climb to at least 50km before it stops seeing you. Let's make it so it is 18km, doesn't matter there is no plane that can fly straight at 18km right now. Also pantsir has -5 radar degression so there are no low altitude blind spots.
I mean ... at some point we will have things like MICA VL ... (a truck with vertical lancher IR MICA) And it is only with IRST because of the tracking system What can an anti radar missiles could do against that ?
No one uses the maves at all except a-10s they use the laser bombs and go to space where radar can’t detect you because the blind spots. The maves are not strong at all grb pilots use the gbu’s. Y’all are reaching honestly and this 2v1 scenario should not count as a viable test for it being op in my experience with using top tier spaa in USA, Germany, USSR, and China enemy pilots go to space or fly low coming over a ridge. And this is the test server. And actually good test would be 10 grb matches in the live server when everything is “balanced”. And I’m pretty sure the maves weren’t intercepted they just lost track causing a premature detonating just like the sparrows. Again y’all are just reaching because it’s the Russians. Like I could be reaching myself but I personally don’t think I am I think pilots are just over reacting and they never experienced a plane directly above them killing the whole team. Y’all should focus your anger and the vikhr’s specifically 8:17 the ka-50 that shit is at 10.7 but nooooooo y’all still only focus on what’s being added. Sorry for the length and grammar on the phone doing this but y’all need to remember the Tunguska before all it’s nerfs when it was first introduced in game. I ain’t a russian main either for the ppl saying it’s going to break the game.
Yeah the mavs should be much better. In fact they have the wrong maps modeled in game but they dont care because every American missile is broken in a bad way except for maybe 2(excluding aams). The tow, itow, tow2b, both stingers and atas, mavericks, hellfires, shilelagh. The only ones that kinda work are the tow2a and the two on the wiesel.
Good, ground rb is ground rb again. Only for whoever’s on the Russian team sure but people saying the radar looking up quite far makes it good are just wrong, same reason why I will say AA players crying about cas being op are also wrong. You have eyes, use them to look up where your radar can’t see. It’s not hard. For you two, grab the GBU-8 and throw that thing from 15km away. It’ll happily glide all that way and it’s tv guided so you can just run away after that thing is in the air, it also takes 3 missiles to shoot down the bomb so it probably will just go through. Also if you make a gun run on it, and miss, stay low, don’t pull up rigjt in front of it since that will get you killed
Yeah other nations, also need new air defense, but what would you add. I did made a quick check, and ADATS is best thing NATO could have for now. China can have a bunch and they probably will, in a time been.
@nobunagaoda5217 you realize almost 40 percent of players don't grind all vehical types so people want to play ground not ground with tyrants in the sky
@@mattthimas3994 That sounds like a YOU problem. Don't want to grind the SPAA line? Then don't cry when getting bombed by CAS. I hated being bombed by CAS all the time then I grind the SPAA line and the aircraft, so I can shoot down enemy CAS and spawn my CAS to bomb them back.
@nobunagaoda5217 I play alot of nations I have the adats and the flakrakrad and I've very rarely had problems with mig 27s if you look up with thermals you can see them you don't need radar to find them also no I was speaking about gaijin statistics because there's a large portion of the community that only grind ground vehicals and not air and vise versa
Gaijin should model the Return to Sender feature of the Pantsir... You know, we've had multiple videos captured by Russian soldiers of the Pantsir missile firing, turning around, and blowing up the launch platform. I find it hilarious actually.
No since that would violate russian propaganda laws, never seen gajin adjust something op from the russians, they kept the mig27k cas spam for over a year so yeah
@@konst915 They will probably nerf it just like they did with the removal of the r73s from the mig29 and nerfed the capabilities of the f14's radar before going live. Gaijin is a corporation and as such the only thing that they really care about is money, if they had some sort of "nationalist bias" they wouldn't add the f14 as the first 4th gen aircraft without anything to oppose it properly (in fact they were following topgun's train hype, which worked pretty well for them with tons of jimmys buying the f5c to grind the us tree). Tons and tons of wt players are from the US/Europe, i don't think that pushing a pro-russia agenda would benefit them.
As if. The adats doesn't even have accurate stats. It should be much better. But in any case this thing is head and shoulders above the adats and will just destroy game balance
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo AA, IFVs and other missile launching vehicles with auto cannons ruin ground battles way more than CAS... I am rarely killed by CAS, and I enjoy CAS, so no. Except helicopters... I hate those things.
@@448rawa Whoah my man, never said I was a US player. Making some serious assumptions here. I am in fact, a German and Italian main. Spoken like a true USSR player XD. Not a huge fan of those players, constantly complaining about US as if they don't have OP vehicles XD. I have only slowly been grinding US and USSR, because I enjoy a good mix of medium and light tanks, as well as good CAS planes. I am a tanker, CAS almost never makes me angry. Just respawn in another tank, an SPAA, or a plane. Besides, I'm rarely killed by CAS. Except helis, I hate those things. RN though, SPAA has a MASSIVE advantage at top tier, no disputes. Judge me, I don't care. I enjoy CAS. it stops campers and kills OP tanks. I'm done with this conversation.
I Just fine, finally something to have far the f american cas every f jett have or a TV bomb or a maverik, and for balance reasons I would pefer that the 2s6 recive the 95ya6 missile or the pantisr with the 2s6 missile
@@casematecardinal well its Just 2 or 3 and only at 11.3 10.3 at 8.7 9.7 the a4s anf figthers will still dominating and the a6 and a10 will be free at 10.0
@@DarkLighting115 a4s are super expensive and really aren't worth taking with the really good spaa options. Especially after they nerfed the bullpups and nords. The a10 with mavericks is both very hard to spawn and very inconsistent as mavericks are really bad in the game. And they are high enough br to get smacked by missiles before they can even get in effective maverick range which is about 7 kms. Im not sure about the a6 but I assume it does alright but I hardly see them in game and they usually fall pray to the same. At 9.7 and 10.0 I actually tend to have more problems with su17s and su25s as well as assorted helicopter and the ubiquitous Russian 9.7 seal clubbing lineup. I have this problem playing, America, Germany, Italy, and China so I think I know a thing or two.
how did almost none of those mavericks hit did he shoot almost all of them down or something? because if so that is just ridiculous how he can consistently do that.
Agm-65b is broken on the dev server. It misses alot, somehow always changed courses, and sonehow can loose target. In this case it explode mid air because it loose target and then suddenly exploded by it self
@@Xermaz bruh. puts on tin foil hat… you see it’s to prevent the pantsir from being killed by the only thing that even has a chance of doing anything against it to make it even more op.
@@n1co2017 what are you talking about. the dev server maverick IS broken right now. i have the F-16AJ and tried the AGM it self, there's no tinfoil here except your copium level. pantsir is gonna be OP but man you are on crack level of copium there.
In order for the third person lock to work you need to set a targeting point in the general area of the target, then the Maverick will search for the target within the box and automatically lock on to the target
I fondly remember the historically accurate progression of military technology exclusively for the soviets. Shame that NATO stopped making new weapons systems 50 years ago
Italy is slowly being faded away with each update nothing being added to just nerfs and uptiers no 10to 10.7 line for ground g91 Ys and y being way to high of BRs and no flares or good AA missiles and outdated and glass cannons referred to as MBTS are the arietes
@@casematecardinal bi1tch you literally had strongest SPAA missiles in the game for years. Only thing missing is vertical angles on radars of NATO SPAAs and it'll be fine.
@@casematecardinal not really but NATO gave up on mobile SPAAs so not my fault there aren't any western analogues. They should've gimped it bit so it's more in line with NATO SPAAs.
@@vladimirvojtaml I agree that it shouldn't be the god mobile. There exist a few Western analogs but the best is probably Israeli but they refuse to give Israel a top tier spaa so I dont know why they added the pantsir other to propagate total Russian dominance in top tier, at least more than was already present.
Mat if you wanna say us how op the aa is just show us the pic where all diffrent radar ranges are shown and say 20km range done than we allready know how op it isXDDD
Japan needs an AA system this powerful cause they got nothing for top teir. The type 89 is only good for 9.0 otherwise its crap against jets 9.7 and above.
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Mat, for your information, the mavericks are currently completely broken on the dev server, they lose lock constantly and the 3rd person lock barely works, I have made a bug report and it got accepted, so I hope it gets fixed.
Yeah I noticed this as well on the Dev server when I was using my harrier GR7 !!
The Pantsir is so cool and so disguisting at the same time. We really needed at least Shrikes for the long time already (I think that they are dumb enough to be not too strong), but that just goes over the top. Especially when you notice that it's 11.3 vehicle. so things like A-7D will have to deal with it.
Don't forget poor slow warthog 🥲🤣
@@dendis2158 I unironically think that ot has the best chances out of all ~10.3s just because of AGM-65D. They have much longer lock-on distance and they are kinda more easy to find targets with because of IR sight. So you can Tiger UHT kinda thing where you go above hills for a secons, launch and then dive back down.
The only problem is that poor thing will not even be able to leave air spawn...
@@СергейКленовский-ч4ц that's true, but for bigger distance u need to be higher cause the mavericks are slow af so theres a chance they won't even reach it from behind a mountain sometimes, and climbing with A10 is pain 🤣
@@СергейКленовский-ч4ц also, in practice you won't be able to use the long lock range of the 65D without targeting pod. The internal camera's zoom is just way too low for long range.
@@dendis2158 As a person who spaded whole plane only in Ground RB, I do feel that..
Also, just so people know, the Pantsir has no business fighting F-16A's. This thing went into service in 2012... its contemporary with F-35's. Any F-16's it faces will be block 50's or later with a much wider variety of sophisticated air to ground munitions.
I mean "this is the first and most numerously produced version from 2008 to 2013" and the f16 is the most common nato fighter jet even in 2023, so it's most likely that it would be fighting against f16s....but i get what you mean, it's too early for thing to be added in war thunder.
Tanks and fighters are not in the same era. We have way more modern tanks than modern jets, nothing wrong with that
I dont understand why you would think that service date is tied in to what a vehicle should face. Just because a vehicle came out during a certain year, doesn't mean that it should face vehicles that came out in that year or time frame as well.
Mat... I love your content but please take a break dont break yourself posting this much ❤
Mat is making a lot of content. Guys pls subscribe the channel. He diserve it!
@@antoniojmols agreed
When you do what you love there’s no “self breaking” only satisfaction. I am sure he is looking after himself!
50k subs hopefully soon💪🏻
@@ComradeVlad100 but there's burnout.
@@ComradeVlad100 hopefully
as a russia main I am excited for this new aa but other nations like the us need more modern aa systems, it's unfair that one nation gets powerful stuff. they need to make more equal additions when it comes to vehicles like if the us gets a new ifv all the other nations should get an equal competitor
the us can only get stryker AD and Bradley linebacker with 25km aim9X’s
@@chris.tarlagias sounds fair to me judging by what russia have
@@chris.tarlagias I used the us and ifv as an example
Nigga Gaydats?
@@chris.tarlagias not 25km more like 5km
It would have been nice to see how an apache would have faired but I have a sneaking suspicion that it would have been picked up on radar immediately and annihilated and even if the hellfite hit it likely wouldn't have done anything
Adding on to it the missile takes 30 seconds to travel from the 2nd heli pad lmao poor AH64 thing is suffering hard
AGM-114L when FFS.
@@MD-wn4ui just use the LOAL, works decent
TV guided ordnance is not working in the Dev server for some reason.
The Mavericks are just randomly blowing up in the Dev server. They're bugged. Not tracking either. Lock is barely working.
He didn't intercept the missiles.
The addition of anti radiation missiles would be devestating for any nation other than russia. The pantsir s-1 has 18km missiles which gives it immunity to basicly everything in the game given you see it early enough, other nations dont have access to 18km missiles making them much more susceptible to anti radiation missiles. So the addition of ARAD would pretty much nerf all nations except russia and russia already having the biggest lineup, strong CAS and complete air dominance makes it an insanely strong nation.
Sidearm and HARM need to be added.
Viggen was supposed to get HARM missiles last patch, they were in dev server, but then got pulled probably because USA and USSR mains would complain if a smaller nation got HARM first.
But hey it might get it's HARM's now, though i doubt it. Prob USA first.
Also X58 missiles for Su 17M3/M4
And su-27 should be added too
@@universeparrot1329 yeah no
@@axlfrhalo the Nordic tree is not a small tree. Its literally has the second best top tier in the game behind Russia.
Custom battles are gonna be hell with this, at this point they’ll add the s400-500 and the patriot site before the first harm
The gaijin now will have to move air spawn further back since you spawn around 20km so you literaly spawn in his range
So if my knowledge is correct (not always so forgive me) Russia now has the longest range AA missiles in the game and also the longest range Helicopter missiles as well?
So nothing is going to get close to a Ka 50, Ka 52 or Mi 28 with Pantsir's protecting them?
It's due to russias doctrine irl
@@A_TAYLOR06 thank you, so my knowledge was correct.
What recording and editing software do you use?
Gajin isn't even hiding there russian bias anymore but I'll be honest I have both and I still think the flarakrad is better its missles pull harder
finally a better way to deal with those spammed f16s XD
The only jet that would even stand a chance against this SPAA is the Harrier Gr.7
Space harrier and point and click lgb. But what if the pantsir intercepts the bombs? Thats hoe op the damn thing is
Atleast there is a good counter to CAS now
Yeah on one team, i can already see Russian top tier Win rate go up (if just a little)
@@Pele55 US doesn't has an equivalent to this so...
Meu irmão em Cristo, pode dar um descanso haha, não vai ter problema. Saudações da Argentina
Meanwhile a biplane with a 500 lb dumb bomb flying at 10 ft AGL...
The ultimate counter
I’ve killed one in the f-16 with mavericks, but that was cause he didn’t see me. The mavericks are supposed to out range the pansir on paper, but it never locks at that range. Then his buddy spawned in one and killed me when I was at 35,000 ft, 14.53 miles away, and no rwr ping. Truly balanced
Remember. Gaijin said "the f-2 is too advanced" but we got this and the fucking tor m1
Nerf range is easiest way. The missiles are basically AIM-7s but with the maneuverability of AIM-9Ls and nearly the fire and forget nature of the AIM-54s
*pulls more G than a Aim9-L*
@@huriken8899 the vt1 does that aswell, the problem isn't the max overload of the missile, it's the range
I mean in real life launchers like these use smokeless motors so its pretty accurate, top teir cas is just gonna have to find new ways to outsmart the pantsir, which will be challenging because of its dummy good radar
well other nation also have smokeless vehicles which isnt ingame probably because russia players are going to complain
Oh yes, can't wait to outsmart an imbecile picking pantsir for free (70 SP) with my shiny new plane (850+SP worth) just to die to new-completely-not-OP-russian-SAM. A M A Z I N G!
Don't pantsir's missiles use smokeless rocket motors? and also only the first stage really makes smoke, the other i think is only a small projectile but im not sure
Yeah, they have smoke trail only for first couple of seconds as booster stage burns.
yes but so do ADATS, if they are adding smokeless missiles they need to add them for everything that should have them not only the russian stuff
what an odd time to care about historical accuracy. I swear I can find a picture of a T-80BVM that popped it's turret due to a sabot to the front plate but in game it just tanks them.
@@Just_A_Random_Desku can do that in game easily..
@@black_thunder2159 M829A2 can't and I know that M829A2 is better than what Ukraine is using.
Bohoo top tier case planes have enough ordinance to kill half a team without ever going through risk, the one time it gets countered people ask for missiles that make AA useless
Now imagine in helicopters...
Unless they are adding new air to ground missiles, that thing should not be in the game
And that's a bad thing?
@@mattthimas3994 Yeah because only one side will end up having CAS by their side because fighting russia will be a big no fly zone, it's like the Z-19E syndrome on steroids
it doesnt change against helicopters, its the exact same as the vt-1 vs helis, its just a little faster. Only thing to counter it is the tiger UHT because you can fire and duck for cover.
Cope
How is this different from the ItO-90M which has been in the game for almost 2 years?
I wonder if I could toss a bomb over over 15-20km, because guided bombs can't be shot down. Thing is, without laser guidance and a targetting pod, it's not going to track the target and finding a target is going to be really hard, if even possible because of ground unit render distance, so TV weapon users are a bit shit out of luck there, laser guided bombs however might just be able to do it.
Nah nah GBU-8s are the most effective long range sead weapons rn. With something like a pantsir, I’d come in supersonic and lob 2 of them at the ground near him from about 7-9 miles in the 2 most likely spots I think he’ll run (been testing this in the dev server), and then just distract him by getting low and notching his radar so he can’t get a clean shot, then just wait for the magic to happen and 80% of the time he either drives right into my bomb or gets killed by shrapnel. It works very well. If you’re just in custom looking for a way to bully a dickhead SPAA though, I’d recommend F-14 with zunis, the amount of time between you being behind cover to you firing accurate ordinance from long range to you being back behind cover again is unmatched with the F-14 and Zunis. If you’re a skilled pilot you can make any SPAA regret life with F-16 and GBU-8s or F-14 and Zunis
We need F-111 pave tack/ AGM-130))) Maybe IR versions of the GBU-15 and AGM-65 as well. The F-16 with no targeting pod and contrast seeker smart munitions isn't a counter at all. we need this if this is implemented in the current state. I feel Anti radiation missiles aren't the awnser but are a welcomed addition
You might want to try. As soon as spawn in climb to 10k alt, and then get over him, so you should be able to drop a GBU8.
A good spaa player will still see you and get you destroyed. It was very easy with the german bus. It'll be even easier with the pantsir.
considering TV bombs are limited to 7km range this is pretty much excessive. Should have spared this spaa for the future or give it more primitive missiles imo
I agree. Currently it breaks the only half decently balanced part of top tier and that is spaa. For all the countries that have too tier spaa they were pretty even all things considered but now it will just be as bad as everything else where Russia dominates and its not worth playing
They honestly need to add this kind of system to more nations, canc- I mean CAS players deserve to suffer.
SAM degenerates are the ones who cancer here.
I think the most modern aircraft should get their MAWs.
ARM without INS mode are useless because you can just shut down the radar and still hold the sight at the airspawn zone - which isn't hard to find.
And HARMs would break any (other) AAA.
Also some maps are way to small to evade the INS of a HARM.
I am a CAS player and I don't think that killing an Pantsir differs much from killing an ItO.
You need zu to focus on a teamate - that hopefully dodged the missile - to climb above them at very high speed and altitudes.
I usually don't spawn a CAS jet without any teammate being in the air too.
First time I’m seeing f16aj in a video with its air to ground weaponry, I’m so excited for that plane!
I think the best way of dealing with that, as of now, would be by using the GBU-8, self guided, great range, a lot of explosive. After launching it, you can simply go away
You can track it with the pantsir Radar so you can easily shoot it down. And since the pantsir got 70° vertically it is hard to not see something comming
he isnt intercepting a single missile but gaijin broke tv weapons on the dev server, both bombs and missiles lose lock and either blow themselves up or miss
Kh29Ts, PARS (Tiger) or Laserguided bombs from 20km away are the only safe options to kill it
Pars doesn't work that far, however if u fire a pars u can fly away fast to cover since it's fire and forget
Kh29T has 10km range and needs you to fly straight towards the target to keep the lock, PARS has 6km range and is a garbage missile and laser guided bombs need you hold a constant lock. All of them WILL get you killed.
you can track and attack 4 targets simultaneously but they have to be in a 45 deg angle if im right
I think HARMs should be used to punish SPAAs that do not move. Whilst the other munitions can be used to kill SPAAs that are smart and keep moving.
Well, it's rock paper scissors. It's not supposed to be a fair duel with a plane, like it can't duel with tanks. The more modern stuff is added, the more specialized weapons become and longer stand-off systems will be.
After playing with the pantsir i found out that its only major weakness is that it cant aim straight up so basically dive down in 90 degree angle to kill it
How do you get above it if it can smack you even at 10kms up before you can get over it
It’ll kill you at way longer than 10km
this vehicle is BS and of course russia gets it when it didnt even need it. guess the Tor M1 isnt needed either anymore
@@shikikanaz4624 it will most definetly get nerfed when its added to live serversv
hope for skill issue i guess
We need more of this. About time cas was eradicated from Ground RB they can go play there own game modes.
It’s just going to make Russian CAS more effective because it’s the only nation with a SAM system this good
People like you are the reason WT sucks. This will do nothing to prevent cas it will make already broken USSR cas even more broken. Their mig27s will eradicate tanks with no-one stopping them, or without any equivalent.
Also this will bring HARMs to the game and I bet you will love it when your shitty ito gets nuked from 20km away just because pantsir is in the game. This will also bring way longer ground strike munitions. Probably stuff like fire and forget brimstone missiles.
You do realize their isn’t any other game mode for people who like to fly aircraft while striking ground targets (outside sim which is just a debt machine). Gaijoobs main problem is lack of interesting modes, so obviously modes meant for tank combat are going to be filled with flyboys who want to ground pound.
Rb players when there’s actually a good AA system so they can’t dominate every match with CAS: 😲😡
The problem is not CAS player, the problem is that from now on, the Russian CAS will be uncontested because only this nation is getting such bs. The russian CAS will be completely free, without any enemy fighters able to intercept them. It's just BS
Facts
the problem isnt adding an amazing aa system, the problem is now only russia gets to stomp with cas, so other nations just have to suffer while ka 52s and ka50s and mig 27ks dunk on them because if you try to spawn air superiority youre dead
@@molstad182 So, when the only russia gets something good - other nations will suffer, when the only other nations gets something good, russia will be just fine, I see
Idk why but the Pantsir has issues picking up KA50 and KA52, no issues with other hlis though. Maybe a bug
Its dev Server. It wont have it on live Server no worry
Im not going to play this game anymore tbh.
Neither should anyone who is sane do it.
So you wanna tell me, that the nation with the by far strongest CAS, now also gets the by far strongest AA ??? I mean the word „strongest“ is an understatement, more like the most ridiculous overpowered vehicles..
Don’t understand what’s going on in gaijin, don’t tell me there is no Russian bias
pantsir only has a contrail for like the first 2 seconds.
the future is now old man, gone are the days of you hiding in the sky like a coward
Hi Matt. With the dev server closing tomorrow, do you think there will be another one next week, or do you think the update will be next week? Love your channel!
Is the next update going to tell us what ammo everyone is using against people?
ARMs better be added within the next 2-3 updates
Better be added this update
I feel that you don’t ground strike in GRB enough to know how to counter all SAM AA systems. I agree that it’s a very strong vehicle, but playing like a new player against a SAM doesn’t really show much. Space climbing and striking from above is how any CAS spammer goes against any SAMs as there’s de-rendering issues against high altitude aircraft and the fact SAMs can’t aim directly 90 degrees upward. Regardless I understand the point, but please try much more wide areas to show your point than just sitting mid altitude most of the time.
I hope Anti radiation missels will come soon. Otherwhise, will be no CAS against top tier Rússia anymore. And Japan, Italy and Israel don't have any top tier SAM...why Russia need another one first? Just BIAS, i guess...
AA like the flarakrad, tor m1, and the adats is good enough imo but maybe if the range of the radar on the panstir was nerfed a little it could fit in the GRB setting
current in-game CAS can already fire/drop ordnance well outside of the range of the FlaRakRad and ADATS, but adding such a strong vehicle only to one nation is really the problem. there aren't any NATO equivalents to the pantsir either
@@jonleg12312 so is the pantsir unique ?
@@jonleg12312 but don't Americans have those big missiles that intercept other missiles ?
@@stevenortiz9008 what?
@@stevenortiz9008 You're thinking of the patriot system which has multiple separate vehicles for the Radar Station, command control, and actual missile station. So can't fit in WT unless they combine all aspects to 1 vehicle in an unrealistic fashion
guess the only way to deal with it is the German Tiger UHT
Those PARS are easy to intercept
Pars is a useless missile. It has 6km range, it is slow af, you can just pop smoke to make it self destruct or just hide beind a tree for a second.
@@Frozander its not fun when you dont see it and don't know you're bring targeted. Hard to counter what you cant see. Especially if you're in an American vehicle that doesn't get lwrs because america goes into top tier with tanks from the 90s while nations like Russia have tanks from the 2010s
@@casematecardinal did you know T-80BVM, T-80U, T-72B3, 2S25M doesn't have LWS
@@myon9283 thats not really the point I'm trying to make. I'm saying if America had vehicles that modern they would have lwrs
Where the Bayraktar drones at?
honestly i dont think this is that big of a problem for the game, assuming they fix the smoke trails(which havent been satisfactory even on the older systems either), and the mavericks self destructing.
then you just need to do some actual tactics instead of pretending its uncontested airspace like wt pilots currently do.
of course itll be hard for a solo pilot to win against a pantsir in a 1v1; but i dont really see the problem with an air defence system actually being a deterrent?
what this really makes a case for is realistic rwr; where both nato and russian vehicles would both be able to tell that a medium range missile system is looking at them. (nato gets the advantage of knowing that its a pantsir specifically, but russians do have an indicator for mrm systems)
of course arms should be added, but gaijins in a weird spot because a lot of nations simply dont have an aa thats between top tier and 8.0 meaning they would have to engage arms equipped aircraft with either radar guns or manpads, all the while 85% of the playerbase doesnt even know that radars can be turned off.
it is really strong as it should be. Tbh, from a clan battles/meta perspective. Things like the ITO already had no issues destroying any kind of aircraft at all. The main issue with AAA is that their radar does not pick up aircraft flying above 6/7km. In clan battles we would just fly to 6km with the F-16 and start lobbing mavericks to the AO. The only AA before that had no problems getting aircraft on radar that high is the Tor-m1. I hope this AAA's radar will be able to pick up aircraft much better than the other top tier AAA's as that is actually the main problem. I dont know why they moddeled the other AA's radars so poorly, but they somehow did.
have you try the tv bombs? he cant trank that mybe
just remove this vehicle for now. russia is already too powerful and it’s getting unfair. i don’t see why they’re giving russia so many overpowered vehicles so often. they have never given any other nation a vehicle that dominated the BR other than the F14 which is literally a one off. Russia received a BVM with no counter, KA-52 with no counter, YAK-141 with no counter and yeah the 141 will definitely be good. Now they’re adding an overpowered SPAA system. this is blatant russian bias.
I'm just gonna run the helicopter with smart hydras and fire them at max range
Look like flying VERY low and fast is the way to go. Or get very good with dumb bombs, and AGM-12C bullpups (16km range!).
who knows maybe next devblog post will be the f16cj
Tbh SEAD needs to be added, ARH missiles wouldn't be game breaking nor would they be unbalanced. It takes a plane to use them which takes SP, you get max 4 for most planes, they can be shot down etc etc. What it would be good for, is SUPPRESSION. Keep the AA overwhelmed and force them to prioritize targets. Pantsir needs to be locked to top tier forever, and there need to be more ways to take it down. I doubt even a laser guided bomb would work even using CCRP because of the absurd lock and launch range of it's missiles.
Note: Because the Pantsir's radar dishes are angled up, maybe it provides a small blind spot with low altitude targets? Tornado carpet bomb?
Pantsyr Radar (atleast IRL) has a blind spot above it, so in theory you could climb to like ~15km and kill it from a dive but that isn't viable tactic on those tiny maps we have in ground battles. Flying low is meaningless unless there is a cover or you're flying less than 5 meter above the ground. That thing shouldn't be in game, that's it.
@@Tjecktjeck Isn't that every SAM in game? The problem is getting to that zone. I agree it shouldn't because at this point in the meta were returning to the KA-50 era.
@@Tjecktjeck you can't. It has 80 degrees of elevation. So you need to climb to at least 50km before it stops seeing you. Let's make it so it is 18km, doesn't matter there is no plane that can fly straight at 18km right now.
Also pantsir has -5 radar degression so there are no low altitude blind spots.
I mean ... at some point we will have things like MICA VL ... (a truck with vertical lancher IR MICA)
And it is only with IRST because of the tracking system
What can an anti radar missiles could do against that ?
About destroying the god, try to search about A235
im happy that the cas meta is ending
They shouldve just gave russia the tor aswell, maybe an upgradet version or smth like that
No one uses the maves at all except a-10s they use the laser bombs and go to space where radar can’t detect you because the blind spots. The maves are not strong at all grb pilots use the gbu’s. Y’all are reaching honestly and this 2v1 scenario should not count as a viable test for it being op in my experience with using top tier spaa in USA, Germany, USSR, and China enemy pilots go to space or fly low coming over a ridge. And this is the test server. And actually good test would be 10 grb matches in the live server when everything is “balanced”. And I’m pretty sure the maves weren’t intercepted they just lost track causing a premature detonating just like the sparrows. Again y’all are just reaching because it’s the Russians. Like I could be reaching myself but I personally don’t think I am I think pilots are just over reacting and they never experienced a plane directly above them killing the whole team. Y’all should focus your anger and the vikhr’s specifically 8:17 the ka-50 that shit is at 10.7 but nooooooo y’all still only focus on what’s being added. Sorry for the length and grammar on the phone doing this but y’all need to remember the Tunguska before all it’s nerfs when it was first introduced in game. I ain’t a russian main either for the ppl saying it’s going to break the game.
Yeah the mavs should be much better. In fact they have the wrong maps modeled in game but they dont care because every American missile is broken in a bad way except for maybe 2(excluding aams). The tow, itow, tow2b, both stingers and atas, mavericks, hellfires, shilelagh. The only ones that kinda work are the tow2a and the two on the wiesel.
Might be time for radar hellfires on the apache
Good, ground rb is ground rb again. Only for whoever’s on the Russian team sure but people saying the radar looking up quite far makes it good are just wrong, same reason why I will say AA players crying about cas being op are also wrong. You have eyes, use them to look up where your radar can’t see. It’s not hard.
For you two, grab the GBU-8 and throw that thing from 15km away. It’ll happily glide all that way and it’s tv guided so you can just run away after that thing is in the air, it also takes 3 missiles to shoot down the bomb so it probably will just go through. Also if you make a gun run on it, and miss, stay low, don’t pull up rigjt in front of it since that will get you killed
dude, what time is it?
Yeah other nations, also need new air defense, but what would you add. I did made a quick check, and ADATS is best thing NATO could have for now. China can have a bunch and they probably will, in a time been.
Give Britain sky saber
How do you lock onto multiple targets?
it's honestly going to ruin the game. I won't be playing the next patch.
The Tiger UHT is probably going to have the best chance of destroying it.
Agreed, but I think it’s more of a who sees who In this situation
The British AH.MK1 will also
plus the Pantsir can intercept the missiles
@@obezes12 Yes, but the UHT uses top attack fire and forget missiles, so it may take quite a bit of skill to destroy both the missile and UHT.
and the apache longbow, if they actually give it its hellfire longbows
Looks like helis may have an actual purpose now in realistic battles
You mean the helis like ka52, mi28nm and ka50? You are right now they have god tier spaa on their side
@@janwucherer3628 the AH1z can do the job too
@@Blueesteel_ AH1Z can't do a shit.
Why do people think aircraft should just crap on every ground vehical? Like seriously
Well. spawn F14, F16, or Mig 29 to shoot them down then. Do you think CAS planes stand a chance against those aircraft?
@nobunagaoda5217 you realize almost 40 percent of players don't grind all vehical types so people want to play ground not ground with tyrants in the sky
@@mattthimas3994 That sounds like a YOU problem. Don't want to grind the SPAA line? Then don't cry when getting bombed by CAS. I hated being bombed by CAS all the time then I grind the SPAA line and the aircraft, so I can shoot down enemy CAS and spawn my CAS to bomb them back.
@nobunagaoda5217 I play alot of nations I have the adats and the flakrakrad and I've very rarely had problems with mig 27s if you look up with thermals you can see them you don't need radar to find them also no I was speaking about gaijin statistics because there's a large portion of the community that only grind ground vehicals and not air and vise versa
Gaijin should model the Return to Sender feature of the Pantsir... You know, we've had multiple videos captured by Russian soldiers of the Pantsir missile firing, turning around, and blowing up the launch platform. I find it hilarious actually.
source?
@@garmfield2977 the imagination
@@spxmm3r haha no... multiple videos of them on liveleak/mainstream media
ruzzian nazi tech is actually bad and they can't beat ukraine xD
Today on top 10 things that never happened:
@@garmfield2977 his dreams
i think the german eurotiger would be a perfect match against this tank, but dam is it gonna be really hard to get close enough for one of those shots
And even if you get close enough you just might eat shit since you barely even see the missile launch with thermals.
@@shaggings that is true, but hey if u get within 6km and somehow not get detected
you have a pretty good chance of killing it
Change range to 12km, and no one says a word.. ez
No since that would violate russian propaganda laws, never seen gajin adjust something op from the russians, they kept the mig27k cas spam for over a year so yeah
@@konst915 Have you seen what they did to the MiG-29 on release
@@konst915 What Russian propaganda laws? The only ones I can find pertain to WW2 history.
@@konst915 They will probably nerf it just like they did with the removal of the r73s from the mig29 and nerfed the capabilities of the f14's radar before going live. Gaijin is a corporation and as such the only thing that they really care about is money, if they had some sort of "nationalist bias" they wouldn't add the f14 as the first 4th gen aircraft without anything to oppose it properly (in fact they were following topgun's train hype, which worked pretty well for them with tons of jimmys buying the f5c to grind the us tree). Tons and tons of wt players are from the US/Europe, i don't think that pushing a pro-russia agenda would benefit them.
@@icantsleepman oh you mean give it only one type of more advanced missle than two ?
Can't wait to kill it with an m22
So it's a ruzzian ADATS basically
if tunguska and flakrak bus had a baby
As if. The adats doesn't even have accurate stats. It should be much better. But in any case this thing is head and shoulders above the adats and will just destroy game balance
thx for the vid, some critics is that you were too close to battlefield. Cas players are patient, climb, and shoot fron a long distancr
Try to use the anti-ship missile from the event tornado to see if you can hit it
Radar can't lock it
@@txni.040 would be nice to try tho because sometimes it locks on ground targets
Playing CAS in the game at top tier rn already feels impossible...
Good. Let the tankers tank.
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo AA, IFVs and other missile launching vehicles with auto cannons ruin ground battles way more than CAS... I am rarely killed by CAS, and I enjoy CAS, so no.
Except helicopters... I hate those things.
@@448rawa Whoah my man, never said I was a US player. Making some serious assumptions here. I am in fact, a German and Italian main. Spoken like a true USSR player XD. Not a huge fan of those players, constantly complaining about US as if they don't have OP vehicles XD. I have only slowly been grinding US and USSR, because I enjoy a good mix of medium and light tanks, as well as good CAS planes. I am a tanker, CAS almost never makes me angry. Just respawn in another tank, an SPAA, or a plane. Besides, I'm rarely killed by CAS. Except helis, I hate those things. RN though, SPAA has a MASSIVE advantage at top tier, no disputes. Judge me, I don't care. I enjoy CAS. it stops campers and kills OP tanks. I'm done with this conversation.
@@448rawa Also, liking your own comments XD
@@448rawa Smooth brain. If one nation has SPAA that is far stronger than the others, then their CAS becomes more affective by proxy.
I Just fine, finally something to have far the f american cas every f jett have or a TV bomb or a maverik, and for balance reasons I would pefer that the 2s6 recive the 95ya6 missile or the pantisr with the 2s6 missile
This is going to break the game as Russia will have a cas monopoly. Say hello to having all your kills stolen by mig27s and ka's
@@casematecardinal well its Just 2 or 3 and only at 11.3 10.3 at 8.7 9.7 the a4s anf figthers will still dominating and the a6 and a10 will be free at 10.0
@@DarkLighting115 a4s are super expensive and really aren't worth taking with the really good spaa options. Especially after they nerfed the bullpups and nords. The a10 with mavericks is both very hard to spawn and very inconsistent as mavericks are really bad in the game. And they are high enough br to get smacked by missiles before they can even get in effective maverick range which is about 7 kms. Im not sure about the a6 but I assume it does alright but I hardly see them in game and they usually fall pray to the same. At 9.7 and 10.0 I actually tend to have more problems with su17s and su25s as well as assorted helicopter and the ubiquitous Russian 9.7 seal clubbing lineup. I have this problem playing, America, Germany, Italy, and China so I think I know a thing or two.
I'm quitting until they add something equivalent to other nations. First the Pantsir and then the F-16 Copy Paste is enough for me
Well the f16 one at least is to keep nations balanced. The pantsir is a balance evaporation device
how did almost none of those mavericks hit did he shoot almost all of them down or something? because if so that is just ridiculous how he can consistently do that.
He intercepted 2 with his missiles.
Agm-65b is broken on the dev server. It misses alot, somehow always changed courses, and sonehow can loose target.
In this case it explode mid air because it loose target and then suddenly exploded by it self
@@Xermaz bruh. puts on tin foil hat… you see it’s to prevent the pantsir from being killed by the only thing that even has a chance of doing anything against it to make it even more op.
@@n1co2017 what are you talking about. the dev server maverick IS broken right now. i have the F-16AJ and tried the AGM it self, there's no tinfoil here except your copium level. pantsir is gonna be OP but man you are on crack level of copium there.
@@Xermaz it’s called a joke bro
In order for the third person lock to work you need to set a targeting point in the general area of the target, then the Maverick will search for the target within the box and automatically lock on to the target
What you call OP is just what progress in modern combat looks like.
Yeah modern combat where you fight 70s versions of nato planes. I cant even think of a single cou try using the f16a
I fondly remember the historically accurate progression of military technology exclusively for the soviets. Shame that NATO stopped making new weapons systems 50 years ago
Italy is slowly being faded away with each update nothing being added to just nerfs and uptiers no 10to 10.7 line for ground g91 Ys and y being way to high of BRs and no flares or good AA missiles and outdated and glass cannons referred to as MBTS are the arietes
Pantsir-S1 is based. Let the CAS feel the pain!
As long as its not Russian cas right? Can't wait for cas to get even worse as a non Russian player
@@casematecardinal bi1tch you literally had strongest SPAA missiles in the game for years. Only thing missing is vertical angles on radars of NATO SPAAs and it'll be fine.
@@vladimirvojtaml doesn't make the pantsir balanced now does it?
@@casematecardinal not really but NATO gave up on mobile SPAAs so not my fault there aren't any western analogues. They should've gimped it bit so it's more in line with NATO SPAAs.
@@vladimirvojtaml I agree that it shouldn't be the god mobile. There exist a few Western analogs but the best is probably Israeli but they refuse to give Israel a top tier spaa so I dont know why they added the pantsir other to propagate total Russian dominance in top tier, at least more than was already present.
F-117 when?
Teach the ruskis a lesson lmao
if we get harms or some other anti radiation missile. ill be happy.
Russian bais? That's why my ground and air is all researched
this fuckin truck has broken top tier cas :(
Mat if you wanna say us how op the aa is just show us the pic where all diffrent radar ranges are shown and say 20km range done than we allready know how op it isXDDD
Oh yeah, Pantsir S1 can intercept missiles with 1000m/s speed, HARM has 987m/s speed.
Fug
So the Pantsir doing what the system is suppose to do. It would only make sense that they eventually add something to counter it.
Japan needs an AA system this powerful cause they got nothing for top teir. The type 89 is only good for 9.0 otherwise its crap against jets 9.7 and above.