My friend told me to watch Doug and I feel really good listening to him. I think god sent me here for a purpose. Thank you for this Doug!! Keep doing what your doing!
Is it weird that I was suffering depression that wasn’t caused by thinking hell was eternal but after hearing this I got rid of all my depression and if never felt this comforted in my life
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@@PastorBatchelor Hell forever is real. But we don't have to think about that... We have Heaven! My name is Blessed Hope... and I have that blessed hope from Titus 2:13. I am a redeemed child. I love you Doug. Not for your teachings, but because I love Jesus so I can love anyone. Praying for you.
This I believe is error. Malachi 4 I believe is talking about the judgement of the wicked who are on the earth. Most likely when Christ returns the second time. The wicked will be burnt up like ashes at his appearing. The glory of God will destroy there bodies......It can be translated as this OR it can mean a literal burning up that already took place in Israel History where God outpoured judgement on the wicked and there physical bodies were burnt up. At the judgement of the wicked which is called the second death, the wicked are thrown into the lake of Fire. If Malachi 4 is speaking about that judgement then how then are we able to tread over their ashes in the day the Lord does it? Isn't the devil in the lake of fire too? Wouldn't there be torment there day and night? So what business do the redeemed have walking around in the lake of fire? How can we be walking in ashes if the lake of fire burns forever and ever? We pick out verses but we need to read the verses before or after to get context. This chapter talks specifically about a period of time in Israel History. If we are to believe it has anything to do with end time eschatology then it clearly cannot be the lake of fire because it contradicts everything said about the lake of fire. This scripture does not even say lake of fire. It says in the DAY that shall burn like an oven. The lake of fire is not a day. It is a lake of fire that "torments day and night". Mathew 24:46 speaks of eternal punishment. A person cannot be punished if they don't exist. That cannot be called punishment. They have no consciousness to suffer it. Mathew 13:42 it says they will be thrown into the furnace of fire and in that PLACE there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Why would God resurrect the wicked only to throw them into the lake that they cease to exist after the judgement? There are too many holes in this belief.
if unsaved sinners burn forever , then sin will last forever, regardless of its tormented condition. satan will exist forever. these statements are contrary to scripture
Exactly!!! If everyone who winds up in the lake of fire burns forever, then sin lasts forever, right along with satan, demons and sinners. That would also mean that pain lasts forever as well because anyone burning in fire forever will absolutely feel pain. But the bible clearly says that there will be no more pain. This means that no one (anywhere) would be able to feel pain because pain itself would no longer exist. Therefor, the most logical conclusion is that sinners parish in the lake of fire. To any of you who believe in eternal torture, ask yourself, which one of these two statements is true??? People will experience pain forever in the lake of fire... (OR). Pain will no longer exist just as the bible says. Both of these statements cannot be true.
except for blasphemy All sin is the same it all gets you sent to hell. Where we will be in eternal torment day and night and people will have no rest and be gnashing and gnawing of teeth.
Preach it brother! It’s so hard to understand why people continue to believe in false teachings that are easily disproved. Our Father is fair, just, and loving!
Jesus said this For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. The wicked will be ashes after the lake of fire have done its work. They will never be resurrected again the results of the lake of fire will be eternal.
@@eddiejames9827 so they’re going to be burning forever? Does that really make sense? Rerember god is going to create a new heavens and the new earth the lake of fire will be on this earth at some point the wicked will be nomore and become ashes after the fire has done its job.
So ur saying satan and demons don't deserve this who would torture God if they could and they cause animal torture and cat abuse? Wow ur of the devil get ready for Eternal Torment with them.
@@truthonly5716 Well... I say that Man IS a spirit, he has a soul and he lives in a body. The spirit never dies but the soul departs with the spirit upon death of the earthen vessel (body). An interesting side line to this is the conscience: the result of spirit and soul co-existence
@@Dazzwidd Genesis 2:7 states we consist of a physical body (dust to dust) and the Breath of God. No spirit there. We dont HAVE a soul we ARE a soul. Body + Breath of God = soul (person).
Doug Batchelor. Sorry for the long post. I grew up old school Pentecostal and was scared to death of eternal torment. In my early 30s I had a mental breakdown that caused visual and audible hallucinations. I can’t blame the church for the mental breakdown but with my upbringing I do believe it definitely had an influence on my hallucinations. I also have Scrupulosity OCD that causes religious intrusive thoughts. It was really bad in 2007-2010 but with the right medication and unlearning everything I was told in my life I now believe that annihilation is the punishment for the wicked and not ECT. I’m on the conditional immortality side and that means your immortality is conditional on whether you accept Jesus or not and the punishment for refusing Jesus is death. The punishment of annihilation could be instant or seconds to minutes. I don’t believe it’s going to be a long period of time like we perceive time but it will seem like a long time because of the suffering. Once you study the scriptures from a fresh perspective without having ECT as your primary belief it becomes clear that ECT is from the pits of hell so to say. There are more verses that support destruction of the wicked than ECT but certain people take one or two verses and say look at this one but it can be easily explained. They can’t get passed their traditional upbringing because they believe it’s 100% true and are afraid of being a false teacher or they are afraid of losing their congregation. Chris Date is another person that believes in annihilation Rethinking Hell Is his website and youtube and also Facebook. He’s done countless debates on ECT verses CI/annihilation. This could either bring people to Christ or away because the punishment is death and not ECT. If people want everlasting life then Christ is the only way but the other option is death. Most people don’t want death to be the end and some believe that annihilation is actually worse than ECT. That’s ridiculous I mean Trillions upon Trillions of years is better than a few moments of pain and then being removed forever. There’s the question do you want to die and cease to exist forever or have eternal life. A lot would say eternal life but ceasing to exist would just be that you wouldn’t know anything you’d be gone.
Robt Clayton sounds like your teaching Luciferinism there. The soul living forever is a lie that came strait from the devils mouth. Read genises and you’ll see.
The Flight Creation Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10). The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).
Undying Worm and Unquenchable Fire (NT) Mark 9:42-48 Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
Adventism teaches the false doctrine of the "annihilation" of sinners, including Satan and his demons, instead of what the Bible says: an eternal and conscious punishment, for all the wicked, without EXCEPTION, in the lake of fire and brimstone. ! "The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where both the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever." Revelation 20:10 'And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15 "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand, This man also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured unmixed into the cup of his wrath; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the sign of his name, have no rest day or night." Revelation 14:9-11 "And they shall go into ETERNAL TORMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE." Matthew 25:46 In this verse, for example and following the same logic, does it then mean that eternal life is only for a certain time and then we disappear? All those who rejected God will be punished, but with different intensities. Certainly the punishment of Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be much more intense than, for example, an atheist. But the punishment for all will be ETERNAL!!! So the question is: Are we the ones who decide what God can and cannot do? How can the creature question the Creator? You refuse to believe him because you don't think it's fair?? God is love but he is also just!!
@@07silvali states that “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” However in other versions it states: and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages. An age is an undefined time in the bible. In order to clear up this issue we must look at ALL verses in the bible not just this one. -Malachi 4:1 “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.” (Sounds like destruction to me) -Malachi 4:3 “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.” (Are the ashes suffering?) -Matthew 10:28 “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Notice how the soul is getting destroyed.) -Jude 1:7 “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Sodom and Gomorrha were burned with “eternal” fire and yet that fire isn't still around)
@@07silvali Part 2: -Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Notice it does not say eternal torture. It says death.) -2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 “7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” (It says “everlasting destruction”) -Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” (The wicked will perish. They will consume away.) -Revelation 21:4 “4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (The bible literally says that pain and sorrow will pass away. It will be gone.) -Revelation 21:8 “8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (The bible calls hell the “second death”.)
Thankyou Pastor Doug Batchelor for helping me to understand the Holy Bible "Clarity, I pray for believers and unbelievers for God to help us understand the Holy Bible, and he answered my prayers. Keep sharing Pastor Doug Batchelor I'm a great fan of yours who is a follower in having Bible Studies with you (TV) I hunger and thirst for God, Merciful, Majestic, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen and Amen.
I do know for a fact that it is not going to be burning forever. I read in the Bible myself where it says that the wicked will be ashes under the feet of the righteous
Raymond1C they will all burn up, but we are judged by our sins we have committed, so Satan will burn longer, he has sinned and caused many more to sin.
Excellent presentation. Myself, I've seen this truth and others for years now. When I became a Christian in 1974, I listened to and believed most of what was preached to me. It didn't take long for me to realize that there is ALOT of erroneous information and teaching in the main stream religion, and I mean most of them. I started gleaning my information from the Word, and see many things differently, including this. In fact, you are so close to what I read and understand in the Word. It is reassuring to hear you confirm what I have seen for so long. Thanks for your teaching, it helps many brothers and sisters in Christ, probably much more than you realize.
2 Corinthians 4:18 KJV - While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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Everyone please if you really want to know what the bible says regarding hell and heaven please do your homework be well informed!!! Mat 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Mat 25:46 “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I talked so much in my novel of a comment that I forgot to make my point. My point was, The Pentecostal church Taught That if you do not obey every single thing they teach including their holiness standards you will go to an internally miserable nightmarish hell. Indeed what a vicious doctrine to teach To human beings who have but a few decades of life! Shame upon them! I was deeply traumatized by this in the short time I was in that church. Praise God Once again For Pastor Doug and those who help us find the truth in the Holy scriptures.
I agree with you but that scripture you speak of is not a parable luke 16:19-31 If you would notice in all of the parables Jesus never use any names. This is exactly what they say that this truth that Jesus gives us on hell is a parable to justify their erroneous False teaching. But you are 100% correct God bless you.
He did say that you burn just not for eternity, im just confused cause how is there only judgement after Jesus returns but then the rich man was in hell
@@55alexander44 what makes the rich man and Lazarus not a parable because if I remember correctly in Matthew 13:34 it says that Jesus spoke in parables and Jesus himself said I will open my mouth in parables, you're only argument is he never used a name in a parable
How would heaven feel to you if your lost family or friend keep on calling you from out of hell ? You think that would be a nice "heaven"? Calling on you for ever and ever? Maybe your own child? The Sadducees didn't believe in afterlife, the parable was for their understanding.
@@mincemeatmonday3949 I think this guy would agree with you, hell is very real. It’s the place where the wicked will be destroyed. Not be tormented forever and ever.
@@joelmontes3391 how do you get around this...it literally says that! Revelation 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor for speaking truth my name is Eugene Toussaint junior I use to hear street preacher say that if you don't repent you will be cast into the lake of fire and burn forever i think every day what I've done in the past thank you for speaking truth about the lake of fire about God justice
Thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor speaking truth about hell and the lake of fire thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor my name is Eugene Toussaint junior I'm 24 years old I've been suffering with depression anxiety because of what I did in the past
No the Bible clearly speaks no one has power over the spirit to retain it the spirit no one has power in the day of death there is no release from that war and wickedness will not deliver those who are given to it Ecclesiastes 8:8 your body has a soul your flesh will die but your soul is forever you don't just come on Earth and live like hell and go to heaven the Bible clearly states you will be thrown in the lake of fire that's lava you're so is eternity not your body this man is a liar and he's misleading you and he's sending you straight to hell
@@jesusisgod1631 You're just speaking non-biblical theology. The Bible does not teach unconditional immortality. It clearly says "the soul that sins, shall die" Why can't that be literal destruction?
Life = living Death=not alive or living. Eternal life= live forever or alive for eternity. Eternal punishment or death = cease to exist. The wicked will be punished in hellfire for sometime and will die forever. Only those who are saved will live forever. Even though the soul may live for eternity but the wages of sin is death. God has the power to give and destroy life. He is the one who created us and breathed life through our nostrils, the same He can destroy our soul. Do you love God because you want to escape hellfire or you love God because He loved us first?
@@jesusisgod1631 fear-mongering unbiblical and sadissm of the highest order doctrine of a God who would throw humans to eternal punishment for a few measly decades on earth has made more atheists and God-haters (and in your words, sending them strsight to hell) than what Pastor Doug is preaching here.
Dear brother Batchelor, I noticed you like Young's Literal Translation so I've added it to my list of approved bibles. Is it infallible? I ask because the name "Joshua" appears in it twice; in Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45 when literally the SAME Greek word is literally translated "Jesus" 971 other times in the New Testament. Can you explain that?
Means there's no more pain because you're in heaven that's where all the pain is gone you're in heaven but if you're in hell you're receiving all the pain that you can ever imagine
Why would God throw death and hades in the lake of fire if the lake of fire is a place of torment? Death is not a living thing and neither is hades so it means eternal destruction
Mowing grass or cooking on the Sabbath is not a sin! Sin is lawlessness! Lawlessness is not surrendering or submitting our will and desires to God's will.....pure & simple! Jesus said if you look & lust, you're already guilty.....sin is a condition of our desires of our heart! Therefore only the Holy Spirit can convict us and free us of sin....unforgiveness and being angry without just cause are sins not even mentioned in the 10 Commandments! Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God! What day we go to church has nothing to do with sin. Murder is a sin to all.....murder, adultery, idolatry, all are guilty of sin! Not all were given the 4th Commandment! So then Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with sin! How could Sabbath breaking be a sin when the 4th Commandment did not even exist until Moses? Only given to Israel....yet scripture is clear, all have sinned? God's law is a spiritual reality which is exactly why the 4th Commandment is never reiterated in the New Covenant!
Where the devil, the beast, and the false prophet are, and they are tormented day and night, forever and ever. The false prophet is a person. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
@@livingforjesus8551 Yep, exactly. The false prophet is a person... Death and hell (where the rich man of Luke 16:19 is now) will end up in the lake of fire. So if a sinner under the law goes there, so does the unredeemed person of now, as they have not been made righteous. Hell is going up an order of magnitude when it all gets cast into the lake of fire. Seek the Lord while he may be found!!! Accept Jesus Christ everyone who reads this that is not saved! He is the only way to avoid this, and God provided a way out for you because he loves you and wants you to have a relationship with Him!
@@cyrussouaid4139 Just because it doesn't say without end, doesn't mean it stops. It does say forever and ever. The devil, and those who go there will not be purified. They have no hope whatsoever.
I have been struggling with this topic recently. I guess my only question is why would a human get saved, go to church, try not to sin and go to Heaven when they die if they can go on living an evil, sinful, partying life, knowing their time in hell will be very short?
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Every one reading this comment should read Whatever Happened To Hell? by John Blanchard, printed many times by Evangelical Press in 1993. (336 pp. in paperback, most likely still in print; or find a used copy). That book tells the facts, and I highly recommend reading it.
TOTALLY agree! Excellent short study exposition. "Everlasting / forever" fire or punishment should be understood in terms of 'DEFINITE or ABSOLUTE' and not in terms of time or infinite permanence. The Lord is deeply serious of the results of rejecting Him and the consequences of not repenting ... but ... still merciful to not have someone suffer through eternity. Thank you Pstr. DB & AF.
Adventism teaches the false doctrine of the "annihilation" of sinners, including Satan and his demons, instead of what the Bible says: an eternal and conscious punishment, for all the wicked, without EXCEPTION, in the lake of fire and brimstone. ! "The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where both the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever." Revelation 20:10 'And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15 "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand, This man also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured unmixed into the cup of his wrath; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the sign of his name, have no rest day or night." Revelation 14:9-11 "And they shall go into ETERNAL TORMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE." Matthew 25:46 In this verse, for example and following the same logic, does it then mean that eternal life is only for a certain time and then we disappear? All those who rejected God will be punished, but with different intensities. Certainly the punishment of Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be much more intense than, for example, an atheist. But the punishment for all will be ETERNAL!!! So the question is: Are we the ones who decide what God can and cannot do? How can the creature question the Creator? You refuse to believe him because you don't think it's fair?? God is love but he is also just!!
what does Matthew 26.24 mean.....if suffering were not eternal...The Son of Man goeth as it is written of Him, but woe unto that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born.”
@@07silvali - Please read: 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 “7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” (It says “everlasting destruction”)
@@philipbuckley759 What do these mean: -Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” (The wicked will perish. They will consume away.) -Revelation 21:4 “4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (The bible literally says that pain and sorrow will pass away. It will be gone.) -Revelation 21:8 “8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (The bible calls hell the “second death”) Also, Your quote has nothing to do with the conversation.
2nd timothy 4 verses 3-4 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. GOD is love, HE is merciful, HE is righteous, HE is HOLY (which means to be perfect and sinless) But Don't Forget That HE is JUST, and hates sin, a JUST GOD cannot allow injustice which means he cannot let sin go unpunished, you are presupposing That a JUST GOD is Unjust if he would allow a 14 year old to burn after the age of accountability, imposing your own morality onto GOD to say he is unjust if such things occurred. If your viewpoint on hell was correct then there would be no need for CHRIST JESUS, for if one was to commit sins that are unthinkably wicked if it's even a billion years for example, the torment would eventually end, you could do whatever you want and have comfort in knowing that no matter how evil you were even if it took a trillion years, eventually the torment would end in the lake of fire and you would be no more. there would be no accountability for this lifetime. I think we as Christians can have solace in knowing that whatever we believe in theologically, the one we need in our lives to be Saved is Jesus Christ and in him alone is the way to salvation, if we accept him as Lord and repent from our evil and sinful ways. What will we be saved from? His wrath, the lake of fire, hell, death. If you are having trouble with this concept that Hell is eternal, just know this, GOD is infinitely just and he alone will do the right thing. no one will be given a raw deal, no one will be were they don't want to be, were they're not supposed to be. If you want to be with God than you should seek him out and be with him, and if you don't, than God will not force you into heaven against your will. Hell is a quarantine of evil, and in hell your are free and can continue to reject God but you're confined to it, and don't forget that you're presupposing that everyone wants to go to Heaven, if satan and the fallen angels rejected God in heaven than we human on earth can do like wise. I hope if you actually read this just know brothers and sisters that whether the lake of fire is eternal torment or not (which it is for all sin and sinners) that this is a secondary issue, the most important thing is to make sure you give your life to Jesus Christ so you can be saved, study the word, the devil confuses and separates the church with different doctrine, i think this theology is very dangerous and holds no one accountable for sin and evil, but remember everyone that in Christ Jesus alone is eternal life.
I Thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor I use to think that in the future on judgement day dinner would cast into the lake of fire and burn forever it use to make me afraid my heart panic allot about hearing the punishment of the wicked
Daniel 12:2 KJV 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
@@EricSaavy Body +breath of life = soul. Man is a living soul. Man does not have a soul. Man does not have an immortal soul. The wages of sin is death. Not eternal torture. God is not a sadist. God is Love. The wicked will cease to exist. The devil and his angels will cease to exist. Will they be punished for their sins? Yes, but then they will be destroyed forever.
Everlasting punishment means it's eternal, never-ending! Punishment is torment. The rich man in hell lifted up his eyes, and saw Father Abraham afar off and said....Jesus never used names in parables folks! Jesus used Abraham,Moses, the prophets, Lazarus, the rich man and his brothers... for they have Moses & the Prophets....In no parable not one did Jesus ever mention Moses & the Prophets! The rich man has been in this horrible place for over 2,000 years and is still begging for a drop of water! Please please stop calling Luke 16 a parable! Jesus would never mention Moses & the Prophets or Abraham in any of His parables! Moses & the Prophets was the Tanakh! If that was a parable, those who heard it would not have thought it was! Listen, nobody has to go to hell and then cast into the Lake of Fire!
If Jesus is Lord, than even the Sabbath comes under His Lordship....that means He, not the law, not the 4th Commandment, but Jesus owns the Sabbath outright or He's not the Lord of the Sabbath....which is it? He said, "The Son of Man is EVEN LORD OF THE SABBATH." That means we, CHRISTians are under His Law in this Covenant vs the 10 Commandments His Law is kindness, love, faith, obeying His Commandments which is because Jesus Himself is the fulfillment of all the Law & Prophets Christ supercedes the Old Covenant It's a New Law....kept by walking in the Spirit, through faith We do not need to keep the 10 Commandments because we are saved and under Christ and we need to obey His Commandments His law supercedes the 10 Commandments His law is spiritually kept no longer through the letter, which is exactly why the 4th Commandment no longer exists in the natural but is a spiritual reality...which is why Saturday can't be our 7th day Sabbath It certainly wasn't the 7th day of Genesis
I think you said the right thing on this video but I will find another biblical resource to confirm it. I have two questions: 1) You didn't mention the wicked people who are died and waiting for the judgement day. They are in Hades / Sheol. On Luke 16:23, the rich man was in torment. 2) You said the punishment in hell after the judgement day. Actually some of the fallen angels were sent to the hell already (2 Peter 2:4) Have they been destroyed?
- The smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever.. when you have a campfire, does the smoke stop ascending at some point? Well.. if you're looking at it, it eventually passes out of your vision, but.. does it continue to ascend into space, further and further? How long? Forever. No rest day or night, this simply means, they will not get a break. They will be burned continuously day and night, until they are ashes.
@@stephanie2120 Mark 9:48 Where their worm doesn't die. If a worm is not consumed in everlasting fire but preserved, how do you know they will turn into ash?
Kena Motlung true that. It sounds like Voice of Truth is referring to annihilationism in which the soul gets burnt to crisp and cease to exist. Plus all breath is from God and God is eternal and can never die or cease to exist. The soul in hell that burns and suffers forever stays in torment forever there is no cease of existing.
@@christine3941 - "The soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:20) A soul is body + God's breath (Genesis 2:7) - Therefore, the body plus God's breath, will be cast into hell, and partake of the 2nd death, which is destruction of body and breath. "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." (Malachi 4:3) I'm not teaching any doctrine that is not found in the Bible.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 (NIV-WS) 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
The problem doesn't lie in the debate about whether or not hell is eternal. The problem lies in this question: Is God good and holy enough to justify an eternal punishment of sinners? Think of it this way: If God were (hypothetically) only a little holy and bit good and somewhat righteous - then the price for sin unredeemed would be a short punishment period in hell. But, if God (which He is) is completely holy and completely perfect and completely righteous - that would justify an eternal punishment. The question should not revolve around whether or not we think an eternity in hell is justified - we will never think that an eternity in hell is justified. The question should be: Is God good and holy enough to justify an eternal punishment of sinners? The answer is "Yes." God is so good and so just and so holy, that His very existence in holiness and perfection justifies an eternity in hell.
But many people who died and went to hell and heaven testify that sinners and pastors who made mistakes r in hell burning now as we speak, and hell is receiving thousands of people every second, they are in there while the devil is free out here busy filling in hell
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One who dies without Jesus as their Lord & Savior, die spiritually dead, eternally separated from God. They eternally are destroyed & perish because God is the source of all life and all that is good and they're permanently cut off and receive the reward of the wicked, the wages of sin
It's not Its 20 years Dobt know where he got 14 If you have a young mindset, ur still a child. But it makes no sense that someone would burn for eternity, regardless God is the only immortal, so how does a sinner burn for eternity alive???
There is NO AGE stated in the Bible. The age of accountability is specific and different for every person. It is based on your mental capacity to exercise free will regarding the Gospel. Only God knows when that exact moment comes for each person
@@Dazzwidd Please explain this -Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” (The wicked will perish. They will consume away.) -Revelation 21:4 “4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (The bible literally says that pain and sorrow will pass away. It will be gone.) -Revelation 21:8 “8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (The bible calls hell the “second death”)
Saying he'll doesn't exist will lead many people to it. People love sin. A repellent to that is fear. Proves 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Indeed, what a difference a key point of doctrine makes! Critical, vital in one's deepest set of religious / moral beliefs, particularly within the concept of infinity where many people err (relying only on popular tradition). Hell and the state of the dead are among the most misunderstood doctrines in Scripture. Thank you AF / Ptr. Batchelor for this succinct study that touches a traditional / sour / hot view with eternal implications.
Just objectively look at how spiritually dead the SDA doctrine is compared to the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament 10 Commandments, Sabbath, Sunday Law, Dietary Law, Investigative Judgment, Soul Sleep, Jesus being Michael, Sabbath being the End Time Test, Satan & Jesus being brothers, Israel being replaced by the church, etc....everything taught is Seventh Day Adventism not the spiritual reality of the Bible Because it takes faith not fear to please God and to receive anything from Him.... Adventism is cursed and is spiritually dead! I was raised an Adventist and my mother gave us a lot of Loma Linda products which contained a lot of Soybean, which wasn't the healthiest options and produced a lot of estrogen Nothing wrong with eating healthy....but it's not a sin to eat bacon once in a while
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Mark 9:46,48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched… Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Matthew 25:41,46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: … Mark 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell, into the unquenchable fire. Luke 16:24 (from a parable- but Jesus' parables do not teach error, so why would it show us an example of a man in Hell who is conscious of everything and in agony if that's not what happens?) So he cried out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.'
The worm is not a human soul it's a maggot eating the dead bodies, a picture of total destruction. Everlasting fire is defined in Jude 7 by the example of Sodom and Gommorah, again total destruction. Luke 16 is a parable about Hades, the intermediate state.
Michael NewZealand Hi, if Luke 16 is a parable then why would Jesus say to the thief on the cross “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise” ? Doesn’t what Jesus said imply that paradise and hell exist right now ?
@@bovinththe2nd277 The comma was placed wrong. It should read, "I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise." Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day, so either the comma was placed incorrectly by translators (there is no punctuation in the original text) or Jesus lied.
@@bovinththe2nd277 after that man breathes his last his next waking moment and thought will be to the resurrection. To him it will be the same instance it’ll be like blinking his eyes.
Another issue that those who believe in punishment forever is where in the bible does it state that the unsaved man without God has forever life? So far, I can't find one.
The English words "eternal destruction" used in 2 Thessalonians 1:9, are derived from the Greek words "aiōnios olethros", and do NOT carry the connotation of "annihilation". Mounce Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament ὄλεθρος (olethros) Strong: G3639 GK: G3897 perdition, destruction, 1 Cor. 5:5, 1 Thess. 5:3; 2 Thess. 1:9; 1 Tim. 6:9
@@davidsveips Davids, Matthew 25:46 uses the words "eternal punishment" [Koine Greek "aiōnios kolasis"], and 1 Thessalonians 1:9 uses the words "eternal destruction" [Koine Greek "aiōnios olethros"]. I simply have 'no clue' what actual distinction that you are attempting to make in your comment here.
@@timtellsit Isa 33:12: "You people will be burned to ashes like thorns that are cut down and thrown into the fire." Ezek 28:18: "By all your sins and your dishonest trading you have made your sanctuaries unclean. So I had fire come from inside you, and it burned you up. I turned you into ashes on the ground as everybody there watched." Mal 4:3: "You will trample the wicked as ashes under your feet on the day when I take action, says the Lord Almighty." Rev 21:4-5,8: "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will never happen again. There will be no mourning or crying or pain ever again for the former world no longer exists.” The one who sits on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” He told me, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” … But anyone who is a coward, who doesn't trust me, who does disgusting things, who is a murderer, who is sexually immoral, who practices witchcraft, who worships idols, who tells lies- their chosen place is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”" Ps 37:10: "In a little while the wicked will be no more-though you look for them you won't find them." Isa 60:18: "There won't be any more violence in your land, no more devastation and destruction within your borders. You will call your walls Salvation, and your gates Praise." Isa 26:21: "For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain." Isa 65:19: "And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying." Mal 4:1: "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." Ezek 28:14-16,19: "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. … All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."can't be more clearer that this Jer 17:27: "But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched." Is jeruselem still burning?! UnQuenched mean it can't be stopped by human or satan efforts! Mar 9:43: "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"
@@davidsveips Davids, most of the Scriptural passages you quoted here were simply being MISAPPLIED by you, while the others that actually related to the subject matter of "the eternal fire of hell", totally SUPPORTED my position, and totally REFUTED yours. Davids, you just can't take a particular passage of Scripture out of its original context, and then make it applicable to whatever else suits your personal needs and desires. God's punishing "fire" that He sends down on the earth from heaven, is NOT the same thing as "the eternal fire of hell", but you continually conflated the two in your Scriptural quotations here. And the words of Ezekiel 28:19, "you have come to a horrible end and will be no more", are concerning the physical existence on the earth of that person being "no more". And God "kindling an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses" (Jeremiah 17:27), is actually referencing that God "will set fire to these gates. The fire will spread to the palaces, and no one will be able to put out the roaring flames." But the fire will be extinguished once the destruction of the gates and palaces is complete. Davids, once again, this is NOT the same thing as "the eternal fire of hell" (Matthew 18:8-9), or "go to hell, to the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43 ESV) or "into hell, where the fire never goes out" (Mark 9:43 NIV). And the witness of Revelation 21:8 [“But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars-their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”], totally repudiates your assertion, and totally affirms mine. Davids, you really have to be very 'indoctrinated' by the "Seventh-day Adventist Church", to not be able to see just how terribly non-Scripturally based your viewpoint truly is.
@@timtellsit "7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7) Yeah like sodom and gomorah is still burning now!the effects are eternal! "7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7) And those who see eternal hell in their dreams,are false teachers!
The mark of the beast is not Sunday law. The bible says that it will be required for buying and selling. Has nothing to do with church and going to church on a certain day.
@@emeraldv3nom415 The 4 commandments of God has the same requirement, not to buy or sale on God holy day, The beast is clearly known as pagan Rome The woman that rides the beast in revelation chapter 17 is known as the papacy of Rome A church riding upon a pagan nation Pagan rome worship their pagan God on pagan Rome secreat 1st day of the week Of today Christianity defends the 1st day of the week as their day dedicated day to their God in heaven, Elijah message comes into focus for the last generation or the people of God, 1st Elijah message was for Gods people who were found captive in a religion of baal. Which was a church and state uniting. Elijah message for them Worship God or worship baal Elijah message to free them from the religion of baal 2nd Elijah message was for Gods people again, the religion of Judaism, Jesus came with the Elijah message to save the Jews from their own religion of Judaism Elijah message free Gods people from the religion of Judaism 3rd and final message of Elijah is found in malachi chapter 4 verse 4, 5, 6. Remember the law of your God as of hosea chapter 4 verse 6. Question is Sunday the 1st day of the week and is the 4th commandment of God, or is Saturday the 7th day of the week the sabbath of the holy God? Elijah message for the final generation who make up the people of God, free them from the babylonian religion found in revelation chapter 17 All 3 messages of Elijah has a king a harlot and God people mixed in a religion 1st was the isrealites King Ahab Jezebel the harlot Gods people Religion of baal Church and state 2nd Elijah message King Caesar Harlot was the religion of Judaism Gods people in the religion of Judaism Church and state, church of Judaism and state of Rome. 3rd Elijah message King) the son of perdition found in thessalossian chapter 2 verse 3 and 4 Harlot the papacy of Rome and her 7 daughter who are prostentant With Gods people in captivity of the babylonian religion. The Christian faith is coming to their end as of Judaism and baal fairh and is being weighted in the balance, Would you like to know who this son of perdition is in the last days, and you will see how Sunday observance is the mark of the beast in revelation chapter 13
@@emeraldv3nom415 please let the Bible speak for itself. ''And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name''. But not just buying and selling...''And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed''. If you don't take the mark you have more to worry about then buying and selling. You will die! You say 'it'' is required to buy or sell AND stay alive but you never say what ''it'' is? You disagree with ''warpath''...ok, then what is ''it''? Lets not guess. The first step is to ID the beast and there is plenty in scripture to do so. Once you understand who the beast is you will then understand the mark. Let me say this about the mark. The mark has something to do with worship! ''And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would NOT WORSHIP the image of the beast should be killed. Do you see it? Those who do ''NOT WORSHIP'' the beast, whoever that is will receive the seal of God, right? Ok, then one must chose to ''WORSHIP THE BEAST'' to receive the mark. Ok, its simple. Those living in that time...could be us will be required to make a choice..for God or this beast power. If you chose to worship the beast, well lets let the Lord answer..''If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb''. You do not want to receive this mark so you better understand who the first beast is of rev 13 AND who the second beast is that enforces the mark... whatever ''it'' is!!!!!!
Dough Batchelor was spot on when he said, "Why would a loving God create a creature which is prone to sin & disobedience & then torment them becoz they were not able to get a victory?" Why would a loving & merciful God create mankind which majority of which won't be saved hence they are bound for an eternal suffering in hell?
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
This man is making out Jesus to be a liar. Don't listen to this heresy. Read the Bible in context and Greek and Hebrew,. False prophet in the last days. If anyone wants to hear the truth listen to David pawson on hell.
Neg Ste. Lucie - No, we ARE a living soul. The dust of the earth and the life force of God’s breath = a living soul. Death is the reverse of this equation. Simple math. God’s life power returns to him - that power that sustained out life and the body becomes dust again at death. There is no separate spirit or soul. We are not immortal - only God is. And when the saved are glorified with incorruption an immortality - it is an extrinsic immortality - not intrinsic like God’s. We will have to eat monthly of the tree of life to live eternally. Read Isaiah 66.
Mat 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Mat 25:46 “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I think Because there are a lot of new translations of bible it kept on changing I heard that after you burn in hell there is no you and that’s a eternal punishment it self
@@christopherroman4320 The word "everlasting" does not appear in those verses. It is actually "aeonian" which means eon-ian. eonian punishment. Just saying.
I'm fascinated I'm only finding out recently about this view point. It makes far more sense to me. Even just recently I was hearing somone badically say in church we need to sumbit to the idea God is good even though things look ugly. But, I always thought that view point was kind of off. Like if ur trying to scratch and crawl through the trenches to rationalise the goodness of God then maybe ur view point is wrong.
Why Sunday not Saturday? So we would focus on Jesus now, keeping His Commandments not focus on the Law, but Jesus now....it's really that simple If you're hyper-focused on Sabbath, you'll not be focused on Christ will you? He is even Lord of the Sabbath so then there is no 4th Commandment under Christ now The Law was a school master until the promise came If we're focusing on Jesus and His Commandments, not the 10, then we're not going to sin are we? You're giving all the credence to the 10 Commandments which takes the power and validity of the law of Christ away... Christ represents the law we keep as Saved, born-again Christians already....:).....in contrast the 10 Commandments signify the curse of sin & death because the letter kills and also they were given to the flesh which was never subject to God's law to begin with God bless
How can a soul cease to exist? Again, the Beast and False Prophet are in the Lake of Fire for at least 1,000 years.....they are men! Then the Rich man & Lazarus was not a parable Jude 1:7 referring to the Eternal Fire coming for Sodom & Gomorrah....that fire was created for Satan and His Angels Again, how can one be anhialated? That would be spiritually impossible because we all have a spirit, therefore all spirit beings are eternal
i could be incorrect but i there are about 14 verses in the NT where jesus talks about hell.HE does not say anything about burnin forever and ever..HE does say people will be "burned up".."destroyed".."perish".. in 2peter3:10 it says "both the earth &the works that are in the earth will be burned up " john3:16 the word "perish"is used.. romans6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of GOD is eternal life. if you burn FOREVER in hell then you also have ETERNAL LIFE do you not... something is not adding up.. how can the saved and the damned have eternal life???? luke13:3 you will perish john3:16 you should not PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE!!!! how can someone be not there and there at the same time???? matt25:46 eternal punishment is SINGULAR NOT PLURAL.. the punishment is eternal but not the punishing.. matt10:28 this is very direct FEAR HIM WHO CAN DESTROY BOTH THE SOUL AND BODY... THAT IS VERY CLEAR.. matt7:13-14 the word DESTRUCTION.. ALL THIS FROM THE NT. the NT must match up with the OT not the other way round...WHY???? b ecause does it not say....GOD NEVER CHANGES... SO what is said in the OT should be the same in the NT. NOW FROM THE OT...PSALM :9-20 the wicked will be no more....FOR the wicked will PERISH. for the enemies of the LORD like the splender of the meadow shall vanish. MALACHI3:6 for i am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT..........THAT IS GOD SPEAKING.. HE cannot say something different in the NT now can HE???? MALACHI 4:1-3 the wicked will be stubble,shall burn them up ,leave them neither nor root or branch, they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet... THIS IS GOD SAYING THIS NOT MAN....THESE ARE GODS WORDS would this not be ANNIHILATION????? psalm145:20 all the wicked will destroy. psalm 21:9 the fire will devour them... OBADIAH 1:15-16 they shall be as if they never were... psalm 92:7 though the wicked spring up like grass and all evil doers florish THEY WILL BE FOREVER DESTROYED..... THAT IS A POWERFULL STATEMENT... psalm 10:20 but the wicked will perish and the enemines of the LORD shall be as the fat of the lambs, they shall consume into smoke they will consume away.. AGAIN THAT IS PRETTY POWERFULL STATEMENT.. EZEKIEL 28::18-19 THIS IS GOD SPEAKING.......i will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and i will bring thee the ashes upon the earth in sight of all them that behold thee... NT... TIES IN WITH THE OT here 2PETER 2:6 SODOM AND GOMORRHA were set as example, they were destroyed and made into ASHES... is that place still burning today??? ALL THIS POINTS TO " COMPLETE ANNIHILATION " please show me where i am WRONG????? how can the damned also ETERNAL LIFE, EVEN IF IT IS HELL... IF THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE ....... GOD LIED AND EVERYONE HAS ETERNAL LIFE...
Yes ! And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
Kimmy Rhodes you are so true Kimmy it is Eternal Fire , and if people are not made aware of the end result , they will end up in Hell . Preach the message in evading hell . What a shocking message in Doug not preaching the real message , Eternal time is “ A thousand years is as one day unto the LORD “
Glen Swain even if our days in hell were multiplied so that they felt 1000x longer, this still does not come close to eternity. God is just. He will punish the wicked according to their works. How could it be just to punish someone for eternity for the sins they committed in a lifetime? Even satan who has sinned and caused others to sin more than anyone else will not burn forever. The Bible says of satan in Ezekiel verses 13-19 “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.” It says he will be brought to ashes and that never shall he be anymore. Not even satan will suffer for an eternity. He will suffer for a very long time, but not for eternity.
Robt Clayton Jesus was telling a parable. The rich man represents Israel who was given so much light from God. So much truth from the scriptures ( rich man feasting sumptuously and yet lived as a hypocrite) And Lazarus represents the gentiles who were starving for truth. ( the crumbs that fell from the rich mans table) anyway, this question of wether hell is eternal or not has no bearing on whether we go there. Only the righteous will inherit the kingdom of God. No one who sins or does wickedness will enter through the gates into the city. So if we don’t want to go to hell, whichever way hell may be, then we must overcome our sins. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Of course, how we answer this question says a lot about who we think Jesus is. Tell me, can you think of anything worse than burning people for an eternity? All the suffering that the devil has caused for humanity over these few thousand years in which he has be free to roam to and fro, pales in comparison to causing the fast majority of all the people who have ever lived ( all the billions of them) to suffer in conscious burning torment eternally. That is not the Jesus if the Bible. All these ideas people have of an eternally burning hell come from Greek mythology and other extra biblical sources. There are far more verses in the Bible which speak of the wicked being destroyed and turned to ashes and never existing anymore and being as if they had never been etc etc, than there are passages which at first glance would seem to indicate that hell is eternal. I would recommend to you that you look up the meaning and origin of the word hell. Now a days when people say the word hell they immediately imagine some dark fiery place under the earth where satan is the leader his demons are given the privilege by God to torment people for the ceaseless ages of eternity. This is a nonsensical view. People often say hell must be eternal because God is infinite and and so any sin against him needs to be infinite as well. Where is this written in the holy scriptures?? So many people who argue for an eternally burning hell have said this. They are just using their own logic. Their own reasoning to come to this horrific conclusion. Only Satan would delight is sadistically torturing people throughout eternity. “Eternity” are we comprehending what that even means? Never ever ending. Kid dies lost and has to be on fire for ever.. That is not a just punishment. Kid will receive same punishment as someone who dedicated their entire life to Killy and torturing and doing all kind of wickedness? People have also said that it isn’t really a punishment if it ends at some point. That the only thing that matters to a man is his current state of existence, and if he were to die and stop existing and stop feeling pain then it is as if the punishment never happened. Do you know what kind of people also share this mindset? Sadists. People who get pleasure out of torturing other people. People like for instance Jeffrey Dahmer who drilled holes in peoples heads to pour acid in there brains to try to make them into zombie slaves. People who trap others down in there basement to torture them also try to prolong suffering because it is the shear act of inflicting pain that gives them pleasure. Where as God says “Ezekiel 18:23 King James Version (KJV) 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?” God would suffer eternally as well watching the creatures that he loves and died to save suffer for eternity. He punishes the wicked because he is just and not because he will derive pleasure from it or, as many have said when trying to explain the eternal torment of the wicked, as a means of increasing the pleasure of Saved, so they can look on the wicked burning and say to themselves “ well at least it’s not me burning” and by contrasting their existence withe the miserable existence of the wicked their pleasure and joy will increase. This is the same thing that the wicked do everyday here o. Earth. Comparing themselves to others they see as less fortunate to make themselves feel “happy”. This attitude is of satan and of the world.
I honestly had a dream about how there were these interconnecting concrete sewer pipes each having a separate little capsel just big enough to crouch a person in, and the capsle was blocked by a little fence. And I imagined a fire was being pushed through those sewer pipes and crept up on any person trapped in between concrete and a metal fence. It was horrifying. Now every time I look at a huge metal stove or fire, I always seem to picture a person in it! My mind is corrupted at the idea and can't seem to let go!
this had me scared for over a month now, ever since i saw a video about a visit-to-hell testimony... but if you read it further, like look at the original texts and stuff, then you see that King James mistranslated Sheol, Hades, and Tartarus with Hell- not to mention that all our visions of Hell come from Dante's Inferno, which is more or less fan-fiction, and that messed things up as all three are completely different places, especially with verses about the soul being destroyed. kinda hard to have a soul burn forever when it's destroyed, right? And look at Jonah & Sodom and Gomorrah- Jonah complained about being in the whale "forever and ever" and Sodom and Gomorrah were said to have burned "forever and ever"... yet Jonah was spat out after 3 days and the cities are long gone with the remains under the sea. Yet another mistranslation- the original word was Age, not Endless or Forever. "But what about the Rich Man and Lazarus?" That was a story. All of Jesus' parables were stories he uses as examples. Did the Rich Man and Lazarus exist? Maybe. while the thought of being subject to such pain scares the bejeesus out of me- i am having a impossible time trying to stop my sexual sin-, at least it would be temporary before complete erasure... which in itself is scary, unless the universalist view that Hell serves as a "refinement" process to purify the souls of sin is the right. And if you look at the Islam religion, Hell for them is also temporary, while the Jews have no Hell. and from the atheist's point of view, Hell, and the Bible in general, was likely made up by wicked people who wanted to control the population. Are they right? Who knows. the only way to find out the truth of 4000 years of religion is through a time machine, but we don't have one. well, not yet.
Although I would agree more with this guy's teaching over eternal torment, there are teachings that he'll doesn't exist qnd that we come back to fix our karma in another life. Eternal damnation has had me so depressed for a long time until I heard these teachings. Check Delores Canon. She's dead now, but her work has interesting perspectives on things.
@@philipbuckley759 so explain 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” (It says “everlasting destruction”)
My friend told me to watch Doug and I feel really good listening to him. I think god sent me here for a purpose. Thank you for this Doug!! Keep doing what your doing!
We are all here for some sort of purpose. It is just that some of us have no idea what it is.
Is it weird that I was suffering depression that wasn’t caused by thinking hell was eternal but after hearing this I got rid of all my depression and if never felt this comforted in my life
Praise the Lord for the comfort He gave you through the message! Learning about how God is a God of love and justice has comforted us many times as well. We will keep you in prayer that God will continue to uplift you. May He bless you with peace and strength by His word.
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Doug Batchelor thank you
@@PastorBatchelor Hell forever is real. But we don't have to think about that... We have Heaven! My name is Blessed Hope... and I have that blessed hope from Titus 2:13. I am a redeemed child. I love you Doug. Not for your teachings, but because I love Jesus so I can love anyone. Praying for you.
the Biblical truth is not based, on feelings....
If you are truly saved you wouldn't have depression about hell.
Learning a ton about Hell. Boy did I misunderstand it from teachings of men. Been reading my Bible a ton. Learning so much.
Keep reading
Amen.
@@ifeawosika966 Amen.
This I believe is error. Malachi 4 I believe is talking about the judgement of the wicked who are on the earth. Most likely when Christ returns the second time. The wicked will be burnt up like ashes at his appearing. The glory of God will destroy there bodies......It can be translated as this OR it can mean a literal burning up that already took place in Israel History where God outpoured judgement on the wicked and there physical bodies were burnt up.
At the judgement of the wicked which is called the second death, the wicked are thrown into the lake of Fire. If Malachi 4 is speaking about that judgement then how then are we able to tread over their ashes in the day the Lord does it? Isn't the devil in the lake of fire too? Wouldn't there be torment there day and night? So what business do the redeemed have walking around in the lake of fire? How can we be walking in ashes if the lake of fire burns forever and ever? We pick out verses but we need to read the verses before or after to get context.
This chapter talks specifically about a period of time in Israel History. If we are to believe it has anything to do with end time eschatology then it clearly cannot be the lake of fire because it contradicts everything said about the lake of fire. This scripture does not even say lake of fire. It says in the DAY that shall burn like an oven. The lake of fire is not a day. It is a lake of fire that "torments day and night".
Mathew 24:46 speaks of eternal punishment. A person cannot be punished if they don't exist. That cannot be called punishment. They have no consciousness to suffer it.
Mathew 13:42 it says they will be thrown into the furnace of fire and in that PLACE there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Why would God resurrect the wicked only to throw them into the lake that they cease to exist after the judgement? There are too many holes in this belief.
@@jordandavis3867 thanks man.
if unsaved sinners burn forever , then sin will last forever, regardless of its tormented condition. satan will exist forever. these statements are contrary to scripture
Exactly!!! If everyone who winds up in the lake of fire burns forever, then sin lasts forever, right along with satan, demons and sinners. That would also mean that pain lasts forever as well because anyone burning in fire forever will absolutely feel pain. But the bible clearly says that there will be no more pain. This means that no one (anywhere) would be able to feel pain because pain itself would no longer exist. Therefor, the most logical conclusion is that sinners parish in the lake of fire. To any of you who believe in eternal torture, ask yourself, which one of these two statements is true??? People will experience pain forever in the lake of fire... (OR). Pain will no longer exist just as the bible says. Both of these statements cannot be true.
Wrong sorry god doesn't burn people forever in hell
If hell was entural then how could jesus have paid for our sins?
@@waynelewis4466 Did someone delete their comment? Because you, ST8URCASE and myself are saying the same thing.
@@Slikk22 Weeping and gnashing of teeth sounds like pain to me.
Jesus sure seems to think Hell is eternal
Absolutely true. This teaching is not very popular because it is the truth.
It turns out that Satan "the devil" just wanted to scare us with it being eternal suffering. One thing Satan does is trick us.
Read revelations 14:10-11 or revelations 16:8-11
except for blasphemy All sin is the same it all gets you sent to hell. Where we will be in eternal torment day and night and people will have no rest and be gnashing and gnawing of teeth.
@@charleshines7282 That makes no sense. If the devil wanted to trick us he would say there's no punishment everything will be fine.
It's not popular because it's not true, and people can see a number of holes in the narrative when they read scripture in context for themselves.
Preach it brother! It’s so hard to understand why people continue to believe in false teachings that are easily disproved. Our Father is fair, just, and loving!
Jesus said this For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. The wicked will be ashes after the lake of fire have done its work. They will never be resurrected again the results of the lake of fire will be eternal.
Heretic preaching fan much?
@@silasr20The Bible doesn't say that the wicked shall be ashes during the lake of fire.
@@eddiejames9827 so they’re going to be burning forever? Does that really make sense? Rerember god is going to create a new heavens and the new earth the lake of fire will be on this earth at some point the wicked will be nomore and become ashes after the fire has done its job.
So ur saying satan and demons don't deserve this who would torture God if they could and they cause animal torture and cat abuse? Wow ur of the devil get ready for Eternal Torment with them.
Thank you pastor Doug , not just for this video but for all you do.
@@EricSaavy
Luke 16 is a parable. A story to explain something.
1 Timothy 6:15-16 Only God has immortality.
@@EricSaavy Lol, you don't even know what the soul is.
Amen
@@truthonly5716 Well... I say that Man IS a spirit, he has a soul and he lives in a body.
The spirit never dies but the soul departs with the spirit upon death of the earthen vessel (body). An interesting side line to this is the conscience: the result of spirit and soul co-existence
@@Dazzwidd
Genesis 2:7 states we consist of a physical body (dust to dust) and the Breath of God. No spirit there. We dont HAVE a soul we ARE a soul. Body + Breath of God = soul (person).
Doug Batchelor. Sorry for the long post. I grew up old school Pentecostal and was scared to death of eternal torment. In my early 30s I had a mental breakdown that caused visual and audible hallucinations. I can’t blame the church for the mental breakdown but with my upbringing I do believe it definitely had an influence on my hallucinations. I also have Scrupulosity OCD that causes religious intrusive thoughts. It was really bad in 2007-2010 but with the right medication and unlearning everything I was told in my life I now believe that annihilation is the punishment for the wicked and not ECT. I’m on the conditional immortality side and that means your immortality is conditional on whether you accept Jesus or not and the punishment for refusing Jesus is death. The punishment of annihilation could be instant or seconds to minutes. I don’t believe it’s going to be a long period of time like we perceive time but it will seem like a long time because of the suffering. Once you study the scriptures from a fresh perspective without having ECT as your primary belief it becomes clear that ECT is from the pits of hell so to say. There are more verses that support destruction of the wicked than ECT but certain people take one or two verses and say look at this one but it can be easily explained. They can’t get passed their traditional upbringing because they believe it’s 100% true and are afraid of being a false teacher or they are afraid of losing their congregation. Chris Date is another person that believes in annihilation Rethinking Hell Is his website and youtube and also Facebook. He’s done countless debates on ECT verses CI/annihilation. This could either bring people to Christ or away because the punishment is death and not ECT. If people want everlasting life then Christ is the only way but the other option is death. Most people don’t want death to be the end and some believe that annihilation is actually worse than ECT. That’s ridiculous I mean Trillions upon Trillions of years is better than a few moments of pain and then being removed forever. There’s the question do you want to die and cease to exist forever or have eternal life. A lot would say eternal life but ceasing to exist would just be that you wouldn’t know anything you’d be gone.
One of the main themes of the Bible is repent or die. Not repent or eternal punishment.
Robt Clayton sounds like your teaching Luciferinism there. The soul living forever is a lie that came strait from the devils mouth. Read genises and you’ll see.
There's no eternal punishment for Persons choosing to do wrong / they'll just be destroyed (Prov 2:22)
Jesus never had a son (John 3:16)
The Flight Creation Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).
The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).
Pastor Doug, Thank you you've put me at ease with the subject of death.
Undying Worm and Unquenchable Fire (NT)
Mark 9:42-48
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
Adventism teaches the false doctrine of the "annihilation" of sinners, including Satan and his demons, instead of what the Bible says: an eternal and conscious punishment, for all the wicked, without EXCEPTION, in the lake of fire and brimstone. !
"The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where both the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever." Revelation 20:10
'And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand,
This man also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured unmixed into the cup of his wrath; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the sign of his name, have no rest day or night." Revelation 14:9-11
"And they shall go into ETERNAL TORMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE." Matthew 25:46
In this verse, for example and following the same logic, does it then mean that eternal life is only for a certain time and then we disappear?
All those who rejected God will be punished, but with different intensities. Certainly the punishment of Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be much more intense than, for example, an atheist. But the punishment for all will be ETERNAL!!!
So the question is:
Are we the ones who decide what God can and cannot do?
How can the creature question the Creator?
You refuse to believe him because you don't think it's fair??
God is love but he is also just!!
@@07silvali states that “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
However in other versions it states: and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages. An age is an undefined time in the bible.
In order to clear up this issue we must look at ALL verses in the bible not just this one.
-Malachi 4:1 “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.” (Sounds like destruction to me)
-Malachi 4:3 “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.” (Are the ashes suffering?)
-Matthew 10:28 “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Notice how the soul is getting destroyed.)
-Jude 1:7 “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Sodom and Gomorrha were burned with “eternal” fire and yet that fire isn't still around)
@@07silvali Part 2:
-Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Notice it does not say eternal torture. It says death.)
-2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 “7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” (It says “everlasting destruction”)
-Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” (The wicked will perish. They will consume away.)
-Revelation 21:4 “4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (The bible literally says that pain and sorrow will pass away. It will be gone.)
-Revelation 21:8 “8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (The bible calls hell the “second death”.)
@@tv2671 Fire can't be quench by men yes. But that does not mean God is going to let sinners burn forever.
Read my response to H B.
Thankyou Pastor Doug Batchelor for helping me to understand the Holy Bible "Clarity, I pray for believers and unbelievers for God to help us understand the Holy Bible, and he answered my prayers. Keep sharing Pastor Doug Batchelor I'm a great fan of yours who is a follower in having Bible Studies with you (TV)
I hunger and thirst for God,
Merciful, Majestic, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,
Amen and Amen.
Pastor, I really like your teaching, bless you. Glory to God
Great teaching and clarification.
Thank you pastor Doug bachelor
Lord, please bring all of your people into this truth.....
hi pastor Doug from cape town south africa 2019
I do know for a fact that it is not going to be burning forever. I read in the Bible myself where it says that the wicked will be ashes under the feet of the righteous
Whoever isn't saved from this world will receive the same thing as Satan and his angels. Don't be deceived and God bless you.
Raymond1C Satan and his angels will burn longer than anyone else.
@@bobbi2235 sure will
@@bobbi2235 Everyone who isn't saved/written in the Lambs book of life will receive the same reward as Satan and his angels.
Matthew 25:31-46
Raymond1C they will all burn up, but we are judged by our sins we have committed, so Satan will burn longer, he has sinned and caused many more to sin.
Excellent presentation.
Myself, I've seen this truth and others for years now.
When I became a Christian in 1974, I listened to and believed most of what was preached to me.
It didn't take long for me to realize that there is ALOT of erroneous information and teaching in the main stream religion, and I mean most of them.
I started gleaning my information from the Word, and see many things differently, including this.
In fact, you are so close to what I read and understand in the Word.
It is reassuring to hear you confirm what I have seen for so long.
Thanks for your teaching, it helps many brothers and sisters in Christ, probably much more than you realize.
Wow this makes perfect sense it is amazing there is a hell it doesn't burn forever clear as daylight thank you thank you thank you Jesus
2 Corinthians 4:18 KJV - While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Hell is not forever, the lake of fire is
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I believe the verse for revelation @9:15 was mistaken it said Jeremiah. Oh well just wanted to point that out sorry.....
Hallelujah Brothers and Sisters
1 Corinthians 15:1-4, the GOSPEL by which we are SAVED, JESUS CHRIST DIED for our SINS was BURIED and ROSE again on the third day!Grace through FAITH.
Everyone please if you really want to know what the bible says regarding hell and heaven please do your homework be well informed!!! Mat 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46
“And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
The wages of sin is death. And death is everlasting.
The death is the punishment and its eternal death
In the Bible also says that the devil will be brought to ashes upon the Earth so in a sense his punishment is eternal
I talked so much in my novel of a comment that I forgot to make my point. My point was, The Pentecostal church Taught That if you do not obey every single thing they teach including their holiness standards you will go to an internally miserable nightmarish hell. Indeed what a vicious doctrine to teach To human beings who have but a few decades of life! Shame upon them! I was deeply traumatized by this in the short time I was in that church. Praise God Once again For Pastor Doug and those who help us find the truth in the Holy scriptures.
Am so glad you are on youtube!!!we use to watch you on satellite tv...
How do you reconcile the parable of Lazarus and the rich man to your Doctrine
I agree with you but that scripture you speak of is not a parable luke 16:19-31 If you would notice in all of the parables Jesus never use any names. This is exactly what they say that this truth that Jesus gives us on hell is a parable to justify their erroneous False teaching. But you are 100% correct God bless you.
He did say that you burn just not for eternity, im just confused cause how is there only judgement after Jesus returns but then the rich man was in hell
@@55alexander44 what makes the rich man and Lazarus not a parable because if I remember correctly in Matthew 13:34 it says that Jesus spoke in parables and Jesus himself said I will open my mouth in parables, you're only argument is he never used a name in a parable
How would heaven feel to you if your lost family or friend keep on calling you from out of hell ? You think that would be a nice "heaven"? Calling on you for ever and ever? Maybe your own child? The Sadducees didn't believe in afterlife, the parable was for their understanding.
I just prayed for you guys for God to open your spiritually dead eyes up in Jesus Name
Yes. This is false. Hell is real
@@mincemeatmonday3949 I think this guy would agree with you, hell is very real. It’s the place where the wicked will be destroyed. Not be tormented forever and ever.
@@joelmontes3391 this is exactly correct
@@joelmontes3391 how do you get around this...it literally says that!
Revelation 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@thomasdownard155 watch the video forever and ever doesn’t literally mean eternity
thank you pastor
Thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor for speaking truth my name is Eugene Toussaint junior I use to hear street preacher say that if you don't repent you will be cast into the lake of fire and burn forever i think every day what I've done in the past thank you for speaking truth about the lake of fire about God justice
Great videos as always! just one thing, please make a list of the verses used in the video right down in the description of the video please!
Great video Happy Sabbath
Happy Sabbath to you too.
@@EricSaavy
All of us are wicked. Including you.
@@EricSaavy You pervert, are lost and you serve your father the devil
Happy Sunday!
Thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor speaking truth about hell and the lake of fire thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor my name is Eugene Toussaint junior I'm 24 years old I've been suffering with depression anxiety because of what I did in the past
From what book are you reading??????
God bless you always pastor keep fighting the good fight ❤️
I also think everlasting can also mean the fire has the potential to last forever.
No the Bible clearly speaks no one has power over the spirit to retain it the spirit no one has power in the day of death there is no release from that war and wickedness will not deliver those who are given to it Ecclesiastes 8:8 your body has a soul your flesh will die but your soul is forever you don't just come on Earth and live like hell and go to heaven the Bible clearly states you will be thrown in the lake of fire that's lava you're so is eternity not your body this man is a liar and he's misleading you and he's sending you straight to hell
@@jesusisgod1631 You're just speaking non-biblical theology. The Bible does not teach unconditional immortality. It clearly says "the soul that sins, shall die" Why can't that be literal destruction?
Life = living
Death=not alive or living.
Eternal life= live forever or alive for eternity.
Eternal punishment or death = cease to exist. The wicked will be punished in hellfire for sometime and will die forever. Only those who are saved will live forever. Even though the soul may live for eternity but the wages of sin is death. God has the power to give and destroy life. He is the one who created us and breathed life through our nostrils, the same He can destroy our soul. Do you love God because you want to escape hellfire or you love God because He loved us first?
@@jesusisgod1631 fear-mongering unbiblical and sadissm of the highest order doctrine of a God who would throw humans to eternal punishment for a few measly decades on earth has made more atheists and God-haters (and in your words, sending them strsight to hell) than what Pastor Doug is preaching here.
Dear brother Batchelor,
I noticed you like Young's Literal Translation so I've added it to my list of approved bibles. Is it infallible? I ask because the name "Joshua" appears in it twice; in Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45 when literally the SAME Greek word is literally translated "Jesus" 971 other times in the New Testament. Can you explain that?
Means there's no more pain because you're in heaven that's where all the pain is gone you're in heaven but if you're in hell you're receiving all the pain that you can ever imagine
But it would still be a form of suffering, knowing other people were in hell?
Why would God throw death and hades in the lake of fire if the lake of fire is a place of torment? Death is not a living thing and neither is hades so it means eternal destruction
Mowing grass or cooking on the Sabbath is not a sin! Sin is lawlessness! Lawlessness is not surrendering or submitting our will and desires to God's will.....pure & simple! Jesus said if you look & lust, you're already guilty.....sin is a condition of our desires of our heart!
Therefore only the Holy Spirit can convict us and free us of sin....unforgiveness and being angry without just cause are sins not even mentioned in the 10 Commandments! Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God! What day we go to church has nothing to do with sin. Murder is a sin to all.....murder, adultery, idolatry, all are guilty of sin! Not all were given the 4th Commandment! So then Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with sin! How could Sabbath breaking be a sin when the 4th Commandment did not even exist until Moses? Only given to Israel....yet scripture is clear, all have sinned? God's law is a spiritual reality which is exactly why the 4th Commandment is never reiterated in the New Covenant!
Revelation 20:14 KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Where the devil, the beast, and the false prophet are, and they are tormented day and night, forever and ever. The false prophet is a person.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
@@livingforjesus8551 Yep, exactly. The false prophet is a person... Death and hell (where the rich man of Luke 16:19 is now) will end up in the lake of fire. So if a sinner under the law goes there, so does the unredeemed person of now, as they have not been made righteous. Hell is going up an order of magnitude when it all gets cast into the lake of fire.
Seek the Lord while he may be found!!!
Accept Jesus Christ everyone who reads this that is not saved! He is the only way to avoid this, and God provided a way out for you because he loves you and wants you to have a relationship with Him!
@@cyrussouaid4139
What is your point?
@@cyrussouaid4139
Just because it doesn't say without end, doesn't mean it stops. It does say forever and ever. The devil, and those who go there will not be purified. They have no hope whatsoever.
This pastor is a lier
I have been struggling with this topic recently. I guess my only question is why would a human get saved, go to church, try not to sin and go to Heaven when they die if they can go on living an evil, sinful, partying life, knowing their time in hell will be very short?
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Exactly. I know it’s unpopular, and it’s hard for the feeble mind of men to understand why this Hass to happen
unfortunately for the people in hell it’s eternal. Never ending. Clear as day. People get uncomfortable with the topic and like to twist scripture
Every one reading this comment should read Whatever Happened To Hell? by John Blanchard, printed many times by Evangelical Press in 1993. (336 pp. in paperback, most likely still in print; or find a used copy). That book tells the facts, and I highly recommend reading it.
TOTALLY agree! Excellent short study exposition. "Everlasting / forever" fire or punishment should be understood in terms of 'DEFINITE or ABSOLUTE' and not in terms of time or infinite permanence. The Lord is deeply serious of the results of rejecting Him and the consequences of not repenting ... but ... still merciful to not have someone suffer through eternity.
Thank you Pstr. DB & AF.
Adventism teaches the false doctrine of the "annihilation" of sinners, including Satan and his demons, instead of what the Bible says: an eternal and conscious punishment, for all the wicked, without EXCEPTION, in the lake of fire and brimstone. !
"The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where both the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever." Revelation 20:10
'And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand,
This man also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured unmixed into the cup of his wrath; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the sign of his name, have no rest day or night." Revelation 14:9-11
"And they shall go into ETERNAL TORMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE." Matthew 25:46
In this verse, for example and following the same logic, does it then mean that eternal life is only for a certain time and then we disappear?
All those who rejected God will be punished, but with different intensities. Certainly the punishment of Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be much more intense than, for example, an atheist. But the punishment for all will be ETERNAL!!!
So the question is:
Are we the ones who decide what God can and cannot do?
How can the creature question the Creator?
You refuse to believe him because you don't think it's fair??
God is love but he is also just!!
what does Matthew 26.24 mean.....if suffering were not eternal...The Son of Man goeth as it is written of Him, but woe unto that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born.”
@@07silvali -
Please read:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 “7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” (It says “everlasting destruction”)
@@philipbuckley759
What do these mean:
-Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” (The wicked will perish. They will consume away.)
-Revelation 21:4 “4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (The bible literally says that pain and sorrow will pass away. It will be gone.)
-Revelation 21:8 “8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (The bible calls hell the “second death”)
Also, Your quote has nothing to do with the conversation.
Definate and Absolute.... love that... says it exactly. Thank you
2nd timothy 4 verses 3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
GOD is love, HE is merciful, HE is righteous, HE is HOLY (which means to be perfect and sinless)
But Don't Forget That HE is JUST, and hates sin, a JUST GOD cannot allow injustice which means he cannot let sin go unpunished, you are presupposing That a JUST GOD is Unjust if he would allow a 14 year old to burn after the age of accountability, imposing your own morality onto GOD to say he is unjust if such things occurred. If your viewpoint on hell was correct then there would be no need for CHRIST JESUS, for if one was to commit sins that are unthinkably wicked if it's even a billion years for example, the torment would eventually end, you could do whatever you want and have comfort in knowing that no matter how evil you were even if it took a trillion years, eventually the torment would end in the lake of fire and you would be no more. there would be no accountability for this lifetime. I think we as Christians can have solace in knowing that whatever we believe in theologically, the one we need in our lives to be Saved is Jesus Christ and in him alone is the way to salvation, if we accept him as Lord and repent from our evil and sinful ways. What will we be saved from? His wrath, the lake of fire, hell, death. If you are having trouble with this concept that Hell is eternal, just know this, GOD is infinitely just and he alone will do the right thing. no one will be given a raw deal, no one will be were they don't want to be, were they're not supposed to be. If you want to be with God than you should seek him out and be with him, and if you don't, than God will not force you into heaven against your will. Hell is a quarantine of evil, and in hell your are free and can continue to reject God but you're confined to it, and don't forget that you're presupposing that everyone wants to go to Heaven, if satan and the fallen angels rejected God in heaven than we human on earth can do like wise. I hope if you actually read this just know brothers and sisters that whether the lake of fire is eternal torment or not (which it is for all sin and sinners) that this is a secondary issue, the most important thing is to make sure you give your life to Jesus Christ so you can be saved, study the word, the devil confuses and separates the church with different doctrine, i think this theology is very dangerous and holds no one accountable for sin and evil, but remember everyone that in Christ Jesus alone is eternal life.
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Thank you so much pastor Doug batchelor I use to think that in the future on judgement day dinner would cast into the lake of fire and burn forever it use to make me afraid my heart panic allot about hearing the punishment of the wicked
Forever or for 8 days, I don’t want to go there, period!
Daniel 12:2 KJV
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Robt Clayton I gave Bible verse to prove some people will burn in hell forever. I KNOW SOULS TO DONT!!!!
@@EricSaavy Body +breath of life = soul.
Man is a living soul.
Man does not have a soul.
Man does not have an immortal soul.
The wages of sin is death.
Not eternal torture.
God is not a sadist.
God is Love.
The wicked will cease to exist.
The devil and his angels will cease to exist.
Will they be punished for their sins? Yes, but then they will be destroyed forever.
@@clarissajones7185 Man is a soul.
Man does not have an immortal soul.
The immortal soul doctrine is one of satan's worst lies.
Elvis Terry you have been deceived
@@clarissajones7185 Sorry, deceiver but it is you who are dangerously deceived.
Man does not have an immortal soul.
That is a demonic lie.
Everlasting punishment means it's eternal, never-ending! Punishment is torment. The rich man in hell lifted up his eyes, and saw Father Abraham afar off and said....Jesus never used names in parables folks! Jesus used Abraham,Moses, the prophets, Lazarus, the rich man and his brothers... for they have Moses & the Prophets....In no parable not one did Jesus ever mention Moses & the Prophets! The rich man has been in this horrible place for over 2,000 years and is still begging for a drop of water! Please please stop calling Luke 16 a parable! Jesus would never mention Moses & the Prophets or Abraham in any of His parables! Moses & the Prophets was the Tanakh! If that was a parable, those who heard it would not have thought it was! Listen, nobody has to go to hell and then cast into the Lake of Fire!
Amen....People think thers no hell.. distorting scriptures
Thanks you for sharing your wisdom.
Amazing Teaching
If Jesus is Lord, than even the Sabbath comes under His Lordship....that means He, not the law, not the 4th Commandment, but Jesus owns the Sabbath outright or He's not the Lord of the Sabbath....which is it? He said, "The Son of Man is EVEN LORD OF THE SABBATH."
That means we, CHRISTians are under His Law in this Covenant vs the 10 Commandments
His Law is kindness, love, faith, obeying His Commandments which is because Jesus Himself is the fulfillment of all the Law & Prophets
Christ supercedes the Old Covenant
It's a New Law....kept by walking in the Spirit, through faith
We do not need to keep the 10 Commandments because we are saved and under Christ and we need to obey His Commandments
His law supercedes the 10 Commandments
His law is spiritually kept no longer through the letter, which is exactly why the 4th Commandment no longer exists in the natural but is a spiritual reality...which is why Saturday can't be our 7th day Sabbath
It certainly wasn't the 7th day of Genesis
Happy Sabbath Pastor Doug.
what kind of the tablet is that ?
I think you said the right thing on this video but I will find another biblical resource to confirm it. I have two questions: 1) You didn't mention the wicked people who are died and waiting for the judgement day. They are in Hades / Sheol. On Luke 16:23, the rich man was in torment.
2) You said the punishment in hell after the judgement day. Actually some of the fallen angels were sent to the hell already (2 Peter 2:4)
Have they been destroyed?
What happened to “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night,...” Revelation 14:11?
- The smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever.. when you have a campfire, does the smoke stop ascending at some point? Well.. if you're looking at it, it eventually passes out of your vision, but.. does it continue to ascend into space, further and further? How long? Forever. No rest day or night, this simply means, they will not get a break. They will be burned continuously day and night, until they are ashes.
@@stephanie2120 Mark 9:48
Where their worm doesn't die.
If a worm is not consumed in everlasting fire but preserved, how do you know they will turn into ash?
Kena Motlung true that. It sounds like Voice of Truth is referring to annihilationism in which the soul gets burnt to crisp and cease to exist. Plus all breath is from God and God is eternal and can never die or cease to exist. The soul in hell that burns and suffers forever stays in torment forever there is no cease of existing.
@@christine3941 Amen.
@@christine3941 - "The soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:20) A soul is body + God's breath (Genesis 2:7) - Therefore, the body plus God's breath, will be cast into hell, and partake of the 2nd death, which is destruction of body and breath. "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." (Malachi 4:3) I'm not teaching any doctrine that is not found in the Bible.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 (NIV-WS)
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
Yes. The nightmare of hell does not end. These people are deceived. It's almost as if they want a comfort for their sin
@@thomasusheriii971 you're absolutely wrong. The punishment mentioned in this verse "everlasting destruction," not everlasting torment. Destruction.
The problem doesn't lie in the debate about whether or not hell is eternal. The problem lies in this question: Is God good and holy enough to justify an eternal punishment of sinners?
Think of it this way: If God were (hypothetically) only a little holy and bit good and somewhat righteous - then the price for sin unredeemed would be a short punishment period in hell. But, if God (which He is) is completely holy and completely perfect and completely righteous - that would justify an eternal punishment.
The question should not revolve around whether or not we think an eternity in hell is justified - we will never think that an eternity in hell is justified. The question should be: Is God good and holy enough to justify an eternal punishment of sinners? The answer is "Yes." God is so good and so just and so holy, that His very existence in holiness and perfection justifies an eternity in hell.
But many people who died and went to hell and heaven testify that sinners and pastors who made mistakes r in hell burning now as we speak, and hell is receiving thousands of people every second, they are in there while the devil is free out here busy filling in hell
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One who dies without Jesus as their Lord & Savior, die spiritually dead, eternally separated from God. They eternally are destroyed & perish because God is the source of all life and all that is good and they're permanently cut off and receive the reward of the wicked, the wages of sin
Where is it found in the bible that the age of accountability is 14 yrs old?
It's not
Its 20 years
Dobt know where he got 14
If you have a young mindset, ur still a child.
But it makes no sense that someone would burn for eternity, regardless
God is the only immortal, so how does a sinner burn for eternity alive???
There is NO AGE stated in the Bible. The age of accountability is specific and different for every person. It is based on your mental capacity to exercise free will regarding the Gospel. Only God knows when that exact moment comes for each person
Thanks
I totally agree with you, since everlasting punishment violates the law of from the God.
Very well said, and easy to understand.
Easy to understand distortions of scripture
@@Dazzwidd, not distortions of scripture, Bible truth.
@@Dazzwidd Please explain this
-Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” (The wicked will perish. They will consume away.)
-Revelation 21:4 “4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (The bible literally says that pain and sorrow will pass away. It will be gone.)
-Revelation 21:8 “8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (The bible calls hell the “second death”)
Pastor Doug, is God going to rain fire down on the wicked and after that cast the wicked into the lake of fire?
What you wrote really doesn't make sense.
Brother, I know what you're saying. Actually the Bible says something similar to that. I can explain if you would like, I just need some time please
@@MexicanGaming9984, okay, I would like an explanation. I really want to know.
Amen, that's true
Living forever versus ceasing to exist:
Both are equally frightening concepts
God bless me
May God bless you Justin.
You are going to stand before the Lord for telling people there's no hell and their blood will be on your hands! Ask Dr. Lester Sumrall
Saying he'll doesn't exist will lead many people to it. People love sin. A repellent to that is fear.
Proves 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Yep.. his teaching cheapens what Jesus did for us on the cross.
Indeed, what a difference a key point of doctrine makes! Critical, vital in one's deepest set of religious / moral beliefs, particularly within the concept of infinity where many people err (relying only on popular tradition). Hell and the state of the dead are among the most misunderstood doctrines in Scripture.
Thank you AF / Ptr. Batchelor for this succinct study that touches a traditional / sour / hot view with eternal implications.
Yes. This is correct.
Just objectively look at how spiritually dead the SDA doctrine is compared to the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament
10 Commandments, Sabbath, Sunday Law, Dietary Law, Investigative Judgment, Soul Sleep, Jesus being Michael, Sabbath being the End Time Test, Satan & Jesus being brothers, Israel being replaced by the church, etc....everything taught is Seventh Day Adventism not the spiritual reality of the Bible
Because it takes faith not fear to please God and to receive anything from Him.... Adventism is cursed and is spiritually dead! I was raised an Adventist and my mother gave us a lot of Loma Linda products which contained a lot of Soybean, which wasn't the healthiest options and produced a lot of estrogen
Nothing wrong with eating healthy....but it's not a sin to eat bacon once in a while
Amen!
Isaiah 66:24
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Mark 9:46,48
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched…
Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 25:41,46
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: …
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.
Luke 16:24
(from a parable- but Jesus' parables do not teach error, so why would it show us an example of a man in Hell who is conscious of everything and in agony if that's not what happens?)
So he cried out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.'
The worm is not a human soul it's a maggot eating the dead bodies, a picture of total destruction. Everlasting fire is defined in Jude 7 by the example of Sodom and Gommorah, again total destruction. Luke 16 is a parable about Hades, the intermediate state.
Michael NewZealand Hi, if Luke 16 is a parable then why would Jesus say to the thief on the cross “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise” ? Doesn’t what Jesus said imply that paradise and hell exist right now ?
@@bovinththe2nd277 The comma was placed wrong. It should read, "I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise." Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day, so either the comma was placed incorrectly by translators (there is no punctuation in the original text) or Jesus lied.
@@bovinththe2nd277 after that man breathes his last his next waking moment and thought will be to the resurrection. To him it will be the same instance it’ll be like blinking his eyes.
@@michaelnewzealand1888 hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Another issue that those who believe in punishment forever is where in the bible does it state that the unsaved man without God has forever life? So far, I can't find one.
9:25 Jeremiah 17:27 is a completely different verse in my bible. I don’t get it
The English words "eternal destruction" used in 2 Thessalonians 1:9, are derived from the Greek words "aiōnios olethros", and do NOT carry the connotation of "annihilation". Mounce Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
ὄλεθρος (olethros)
Strong: G3639
GK: G3897
perdition, destruction, 1 Cor. 5:5, 1 Thess. 5:3; 2 Thess. 1:9; 1 Tim. 6:9
It's not going to be eternal punishing but eternal punishment
@@davidsveips Davids, Matthew 25:46 uses the words "eternal punishment" [Koine Greek "aiōnios kolasis"], and 1 Thessalonians 1:9 uses the words "eternal destruction" [Koine Greek "aiōnios olethros"]. I simply have 'no clue' what actual distinction that you are attempting to make in your comment here.
@@timtellsit Isa 33:12: "You people will be burned to ashes like thorns that are cut down and thrown into the fire."
Ezek 28:18: "By all your sins and your dishonest trading you have made your sanctuaries unclean. So I had fire come from inside you, and it burned you up. I turned you into ashes on the ground as everybody there watched."
Mal 4:3: "You will trample the wicked as ashes under your feet on the day when I take action, says the Lord Almighty."
Rev 21:4-5,8: "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will never happen again. There will be no mourning or crying or pain ever again for the former world no longer exists.” The one who sits on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” He told me, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” … But anyone who is a coward, who doesn't trust me, who does disgusting things, who is a murderer, who is sexually immoral, who practices witchcraft, who worships idols, who tells lies- their chosen place is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”"
Ps 37:10: "In a little while the wicked will be no more-though you look for them you won't find them."
Isa 60:18: "There won't be any more violence in your land, no more devastation and destruction within your borders. You will call your walls Salvation, and your gates Praise."
Isa 26:21: "For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain."
Isa 65:19: "And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying."
Mal 4:1: "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."
Ezek 28:14-16,19: "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. … All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."can't be more clearer that this
Jer 17:27: "But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched."
Is jeruselem still burning?! UnQuenched mean it can't be stopped by human or satan efforts!
Mar 9:43: "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"
@@davidsveips Davids, most of the Scriptural passages you quoted here were simply being MISAPPLIED by you, while the others that actually related to the subject matter of "the eternal fire of hell", totally SUPPORTED my position, and totally REFUTED yours. Davids, you just can't take a particular passage of Scripture out of its original context, and then make it applicable to whatever else suits your personal needs and desires. God's punishing "fire" that He sends down on the earth from heaven, is NOT the same thing as "the eternal fire of hell", but you continually conflated the two in your Scriptural quotations here. And the words of Ezekiel 28:19, "you have come to a horrible end and will be no more", are concerning the physical existence on the earth of that person being "no more". And God "kindling an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses" (Jeremiah 17:27), is actually referencing that God "will set fire to these gates. The fire will spread to the palaces, and no one will be able to put out the roaring flames." But the fire will be extinguished once the destruction of the gates and palaces is complete. Davids, once again, this is NOT the same thing as "the eternal fire of hell" (Matthew 18:8-9), or "go to hell, to the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43 ESV) or "into hell, where the fire never goes out" (Mark 9:43 NIV). And the witness of Revelation 21:8 [“But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars-their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”], totally repudiates your assertion, and totally affirms mine. Davids, you really have to be very 'indoctrinated' by the "Seventh-day Adventist Church", to not be able to see just how terribly non-Scripturally based your viewpoint truly is.
@@timtellsit "7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)
Yeah like sodom and gomorah is still burning now!the effects are eternal!
"7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)
And those who see eternal hell in their dreams,are false teachers!
Any thoughts on Mark of The Beast? My feelings is it will be a Sunday law.
Yep, your rite my friend
The mark of the beast is not Sunday law. The bible says that it will be required for buying and selling. Has nothing to do with church and going to church on a certain day.
@@emeraldv3nom415
The 4 commandments of God has the same requirement, not to buy or sale on God holy day,
The beast is clearly known as pagan Rome
The woman that rides the beast in revelation chapter 17 is known as the papacy of Rome
A church riding upon a pagan nation
Pagan rome worship their pagan God on pagan Rome secreat 1st day of the week
Of today Christianity defends the 1st day of the week as their day dedicated day to their God in heaven,
Elijah message comes into focus for the last generation or the people of God,
1st Elijah message was for Gods people who were found captive in a religion of baal. Which was a church and state uniting.
Elijah message for them
Worship God or worship baal
Elijah message to free them from the religion of baal
2nd Elijah message was for Gods people again, the religion of Judaism,
Jesus came with the Elijah message to save the Jews from their own religion of Judaism
Elijah message free Gods people from the religion of Judaism
3rd and final message of Elijah is found in malachi chapter 4 verse 4, 5, 6.
Remember the law of your God as of hosea chapter 4 verse 6.
Question is Sunday the 1st day of the week and is the 4th commandment of God, or is Saturday the 7th day of the week the sabbath of the holy God?
Elijah message for the final generation who make up the people of God, free them from the babylonian religion found in revelation chapter 17
All 3 messages of Elijah has a king a harlot and God people mixed in a religion
1st was the isrealites
King Ahab
Jezebel the harlot
Gods people
Religion of baal
Church and state
2nd Elijah message
King Caesar
Harlot was the religion of Judaism
Gods people in the religion of Judaism
Church and state, church of Judaism and state of Rome.
3rd Elijah message
King) the son of perdition found in thessalossian chapter 2 verse 3 and 4
Harlot the papacy of Rome and her 7 daughter who are prostentant
With Gods people in captivity of the babylonian religion.
The Christian faith is coming to their end as of Judaism and baal fairh and is being weighted in the balance,
Would you like to know who this son of perdition is in the last days, and you will see how Sunday observance is the mark of the beast in revelation chapter 13
@@emeraldv3nom415 please let the Bible speak for itself. ''And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name''. But not just buying and selling...''And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed''. If you don't take the mark you have more to worry about then buying and selling. You will die! You say 'it'' is required to buy or sell AND stay alive but you never say what ''it'' is? You disagree with ''warpath''...ok, then what is ''it''? Lets not guess. The first step is to ID the beast and there is plenty in scripture to do so. Once you understand who the beast is you will then understand the mark. Let me say this about the mark. The mark has something to do with worship! ''And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would NOT WORSHIP the image of the beast should be killed. Do you see it? Those who do ''NOT WORSHIP'' the beast, whoever that is will receive the seal of God, right? Ok, then one must chose to ''WORSHIP THE BEAST'' to receive the mark. Ok, its simple. Those living in that time...could be us will be required to make a choice..for God or this beast power. If you chose to worship the beast, well lets let the Lord answer..''If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb''. You do not want to receive this mark so you better understand who the first beast is of rev 13 AND who the second beast is that enforces the mark... whatever ''it'' is!!!!!!
The Mark of the beast is one without the seal of God. Instead of wondering what the Mark of the beast is, make sure that you have the Mark of God!
Dough Batchelor was spot on when he said, "Why would a loving God create a creature which is prone to sin & disobedience & then torment them becoz they were not able to get a victory?" Why would a loving & merciful God create mankind which majority of which won't be saved hence they are bound for an eternal suffering in hell?
Why not take the whole thing even further... 99.9% of all species that ever lived are extinct. How do you get that in harmony with Intelligent design?
What about Lazarus
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
This man is making out Jesus to be a liar. Don't listen to this heresy. Read the Bible in context and Greek and Hebrew,. False prophet in the last days. If anyone wants to hear the truth listen to David pawson on hell.
Amen.... This dog is a demon from hell.
Pat Teegarden yes but if you keep reading it says the lake of fire= the second death revelation 20:14
Yep. hell is eternal. End of story
Thanj you for this explanation.
what about the parable of lazarus what can we take from that
Considering Mathew 10:28, how can we then say that thing body and soul are the same thing? Is the soul not distinct from the body?
Neg Ste. Lucie - No, we ARE a living soul. The dust of the earth and the life force of God’s breath = a living soul. Death is the reverse of this equation. Simple math. God’s life power returns to him - that power that sustained out life and the body becomes dust again at death. There is no separate spirit or soul. We are not immortal - only God is. And when the saved are glorified with incorruption an immortality - it is an extrinsic immortality - not intrinsic like God’s. We will have to eat monthly of the tree of life to live eternally. Read Isaiah 66.
Mat 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46
“And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I think Because there are a lot of new translations of bible it kept on changing I heard that after you burn in hell there is no you and that’s a eternal punishment it self
@@faithgazmer7963 book chapter and verse?
the results of burning up from fire will be everlasting
Have to agree. Unfortunately it is a supernatural reality that the unsaved have to endure eternal punishment. He’s a loving God but he is a just God
@@christopherroman4320 The word "everlasting" does not appear in those verses. It is actually "aeonian" which means eon-ian. eonian punishment.
Just saying.
Eternal fire says it through the Bible
Amen...... He is sending people straight to hell.
Your not looking deep enough about the 2nd death in Hell.
No you're a idiot
You clearly didn't listen to a word he said.
When you put day and night with forever and ever it’s eternal
I'm fascinated I'm only finding out recently about this view point. It makes far more sense to me. Even just recently I was hearing somone badically say in church we need to sumbit to the idea God is good even though things look ugly. But, I always thought that view point was kind of off. Like if ur trying to scratch and crawl through the trenches to rationalise the goodness of God then maybe ur view point is wrong.
Why Sunday not Saturday? So we would focus on Jesus now, keeping His Commandments not focus on the Law, but Jesus now....it's really that simple
If you're hyper-focused on Sabbath, you'll not be focused on Christ will you? He is even Lord of the Sabbath so then there is no 4th Commandment under Christ now
The Law was a school master until the promise came
If we're focusing on Jesus and His Commandments, not the 10, then we're not going to sin are we? You're giving all the credence to the 10 Commandments which takes the power and validity of the law of Christ away... Christ represents the law we keep as Saved, born-again Christians already....:).....in contrast the 10 Commandments signify the curse of sin & death because the letter kills and also they were given to the flesh which was never subject to God's law to begin with
God bless
Jesus is greater than the Sabbath thus we are under His Commandments in the New Testament vs the Old letter under Moses
enjoying reading your comments, keep it up 👍
How can a soul cease to exist? Again, the Beast and False Prophet are in the Lake of Fire for at least 1,000 years.....they are men!
Then the Rich man & Lazarus was not a parable
Jude 1:7 referring to the Eternal Fire coming for Sodom & Gomorrah....that fire was created for Satan and His Angels
Again, how can one be anhialated? That would be spiritually impossible because we all have a spirit, therefore all spirit beings are eternal
Absolutely! The rich man and Lazarus is a true story. Jesus QUOTES ABRAHAM for goodness sake.
Everyone. Read psalm 37:20
Pastor - Rev 20:13 says Hades gave up its dead. So, the lost are there BEFORE the judgement.
i could be incorrect but i there are about 14 verses in the NT where jesus talks about hell.HE does not say anything about burnin forever and ever..HE does say people will be "burned up".."destroyed".."perish"..
in 2peter3:10 it says "both the earth &the works that are in the earth will be burned up "
john3:16 the word "perish"is used..
romans6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of GOD is eternal life.
if you burn FOREVER in hell then you also have ETERNAL LIFE do you not... something is not adding up.. how can the saved and the damned have eternal life????
luke13:3 you will perish
john3:16 you should not PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE!!!!
how can someone be not there and there at the same time????
matt25:46 eternal punishment is SINGULAR NOT PLURAL..
the punishment is eternal but not the punishing..
matt10:28 this is very direct FEAR HIM WHO CAN DESTROY BOTH THE SOUL AND BODY... THAT IS VERY CLEAR..
matt7:13-14 the word DESTRUCTION..
ALL THIS FROM THE NT.
the NT must match up with the OT not the other way round...WHY????
b ecause does it not say....GOD NEVER CHANGES... SO what is said in the OT should be the same in the NT.
NOW FROM THE OT...PSALM
:9-20 the wicked will be no more....FOR the wicked will PERISH.
for the enemies of the LORD like the splender of the meadow shall vanish.
MALACHI3:6 for i am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT..........THAT IS GOD SPEAKING..
HE cannot say something different in the NT now can HE????
MALACHI 4:1-3 the wicked will be stubble,shall burn them up ,leave them neither nor root or branch, they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet...
THIS IS GOD SAYING THIS NOT MAN....THESE ARE GODS WORDS
would this not be ANNIHILATION?????
psalm145:20 all the wicked will destroy.
psalm 21:9 the fire will devour them...
OBADIAH 1:15-16 they shall be as if they never were...
psalm 92:7 though the wicked spring up like grass and all evil doers florish
THEY WILL BE FOREVER DESTROYED..... THAT IS A POWERFULL STATEMENT...
psalm 10:20 but the wicked will perish and the enemines of the LORD shall be as the fat of the lambs, they shall consume into smoke they will consume away.. AGAIN THAT IS PRETTY POWERFULL STATEMENT..
EZEKIEL 28::18-19 THIS IS GOD SPEAKING.......i will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and i will bring thee the ashes upon the earth in sight of all them that behold thee...
NT... TIES IN WITH THE OT here
2PETER 2:6 SODOM AND GOMORRHA were set as example, they were destroyed and made into ASHES... is that place still burning today???
ALL THIS POINTS TO " COMPLETE ANNIHILATION "
please show me where i am WRONG?????
how can the damned also ETERNAL LIFE, EVEN IF IT IS HELL... IF THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE ....... GOD LIED AND EVERYONE HAS ETERNAL LIFE...
Whichever version of hell is correct, better aim for Heaven then no need to worry at all about this hell concept
Actually the nature of your creator ought to worry yoi
The problem is that this lie helps to push people away from Christianity.
A question I have if you were Baptized and did the same you did before your Baptism and change would that make a change
No
@@EricSaavy What u mean?
All I can say, I Lord have mercy on me.
Yes !
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
Kimmy Rhodes you are so true Kimmy it is Eternal Fire , and if people are not made aware of the end result , they will end up in Hell . Preach the message in evading hell . What a shocking message in Doug not preaching the real message , Eternal time is “ A thousand years is as one day unto the LORD “
Glen Swain even if our days in hell were multiplied so that they felt 1000x longer, this still does not come close to eternity. God is just. He will punish the wicked according to their works. How could it be just to punish someone for eternity for the sins they committed in a lifetime? Even satan who has sinned and caused others to sin more than anyone else will not burn forever. The Bible says of satan in Ezekiel verses 13-19 “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.” It says he will be brought to ashes and that never shall he be anymore. Not even satan will suffer for an eternity. He will suffer for a very long time, but not for eternity.
Robt Clayton
I’m so excited to see Jesus !!!
Robt Clayton Jesus was telling a parable. The rich man represents Israel who was given so much light from God. So much truth from the scriptures ( rich man feasting sumptuously and yet lived as a hypocrite) And Lazarus represents the gentiles who were starving for truth. ( the crumbs that fell from the rich mans table) anyway, this question of wether hell is eternal or not has no bearing on whether we go there. Only the righteous will inherit the kingdom of God. No one who sins or does wickedness will enter through the gates into the city. So if we don’t want to go to hell, whichever way hell may be, then we must overcome our sins. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Of course, how we answer this question says a lot about who we think Jesus is. Tell me, can you think of anything worse than burning people for an eternity? All the suffering that the devil has caused for humanity over these few thousand years in which he has be free to roam to and fro, pales in comparison to causing the fast majority of all the people who have ever lived ( all the billions of them) to suffer in conscious burning torment eternally. That is not the Jesus if the Bible. All these ideas people have of an eternally burning hell come from Greek mythology and other extra biblical sources. There are far more verses in the Bible which speak of the wicked being destroyed and turned to ashes and never existing anymore and being as if they had never been etc etc, than there are passages which at first glance would seem to indicate that hell is eternal. I would recommend to you that you look up the meaning and origin of the word hell. Now a days when people say the word hell they immediately imagine some dark fiery place under the earth where satan is the leader his demons are given the privilege by God to torment people for the ceaseless ages of eternity. This is a nonsensical view. People often say hell must be eternal because God is infinite and and so any sin against him needs to be infinite as well. Where is this written in the holy scriptures?? So many people who argue for an eternally burning hell have said this. They are just using their own logic. Their own reasoning to come to this horrific conclusion. Only Satan would delight is sadistically torturing people throughout eternity. “Eternity” are we comprehending what that even means? Never ever ending. Kid dies lost and has to be on fire for ever.. That is not a just punishment. Kid will receive same punishment as someone who dedicated their entire life to Killy and torturing and doing all kind of wickedness? People have also said that it isn’t really a punishment if it ends at some point. That the only thing that matters to a man is his current state of existence, and if he were to die and stop existing and stop feeling pain then it is as if the punishment never happened. Do you know what kind of people also share this mindset? Sadists. People who get pleasure out of torturing other people. People like for instance Jeffrey Dahmer who drilled holes in peoples heads to pour acid in there brains to try to make them into zombie slaves. People who trap others down in there basement to torture them also try to prolong suffering because it is the shear act of inflicting pain that gives them pleasure. Where as God says “Ezekiel 18:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?” God would suffer eternally as well watching the creatures that he loves and died to save suffer for eternity. He punishes the wicked because he is just and not because he will derive pleasure from it or, as many have said when trying to explain the eternal torment of the wicked, as a means of increasing the pleasure of Saved, so they can look on the wicked burning and say to themselves “ well at least it’s not me burning” and by contrasting their existence withe the miserable existence of the wicked their pleasure and joy will increase. This is the same thing that the wicked do everyday here o. Earth. Comparing themselves to others they see as less fortunate to make themselves feel “happy”. This attitude is of satan and of the world.
@@EricSaavy Man does not have an immortal soul.
Man is a soul.
The soul that sins, it shall die.
The man that sins, it shall die.
I honestly had a dream about how there were these interconnecting concrete sewer pipes each having a separate little capsel just big enough to crouch a person in, and the capsle was blocked by a little fence. And I imagined a fire was being pushed through those sewer pipes and crept up on any person trapped in between concrete and a metal fence. It was horrifying. Now every time I look at a huge metal stove or fire, I always seem to picture a person in it! My mind is corrupted at the idea and can't seem to let go!
I had a dream of the wicked burning in hell. Their faces were enduring horrible disturbing contortions. It was horrific.
@@sleepinglion1192 And what's your conclusion?
@@JosiahFickinger hell is horrible
@@sleepinglion1192 Well besides that
@@JosiahFickinger that’s my only conclusion. That’s all I’ve got about it
Please explain the rich man in hell, wanting Lazarus to quench his thirst?
It's a parable, not a true account. Jesus begins the story the same was he began the previous parable: "And there was a certain rich man..."
this had me scared for over a month now, ever since i saw a video about a visit-to-hell testimony... but if you read it further, like look at the original texts and stuff, then you see that King James mistranslated Sheol, Hades, and Tartarus with Hell- not to mention that all our visions of Hell come from Dante's Inferno, which is more or less fan-fiction, and that messed things up as all three are completely different places, especially with verses about the soul being destroyed. kinda hard to have a soul burn forever when it's destroyed, right?
And look at Jonah & Sodom and Gomorrah- Jonah complained about being in the whale "forever and ever" and Sodom and Gomorrah were said to have burned "forever and ever"... yet Jonah was spat out after 3 days and the cities are long gone with the remains under the sea. Yet another mistranslation- the original word was Age, not Endless or Forever. "But what about the Rich Man and Lazarus?" That was a story. All of Jesus' parables were stories he uses as examples. Did the Rich Man and Lazarus exist? Maybe.
while the thought of being subject to such pain scares the bejeesus out of me- i am having a impossible time trying to stop my sexual sin-, at least it would be temporary before complete erasure... which in itself is scary, unless the universalist view that Hell serves as a "refinement" process to purify the souls of sin is the right. And if you look at the Islam religion, Hell for them is also temporary, while the Jews have no Hell.
and from the atheist's point of view, Hell, and the Bible in general, was likely made up by wicked people who wanted to control the population. Are they right? Who knows. the only way to find out the truth of 4000 years of religion is through a time machine, but we don't have one. well, not yet.
Although I would agree more with this guy's teaching over eternal torment, there are teachings that he'll doesn't exist qnd that we come back to fix our karma in another life. Eternal damnation has had me so depressed for a long time until I heard these teachings. Check Delores Canon. She's dead now, but her work has interesting perspectives on things.
@Sarah Hodgins so explain the difference in Mt 25.46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
@@philipbuckley759 so explain 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” (It says “everlasting destruction”)